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dot com. for almost a decade the founder of wiki leaks julian a son when 2 weeks streams in the u.k. to avoid facing rape charges in sweden the time apparently worked in his favor today swedish authorities dropped the investigation one legal door closes another remains wide open the u.s. wants the u.k. to hand over a song to face espionage charges another extradition for songs to resist but this time the clocks are not ticking in favor of julius on which i'm bored off in berlin this is the day. based on the investigation i have concluded that the accuser is credible has statement is the reliable one. college that the evidence as it stands today is not
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sufficient. it is that case that the oral testimony which was given by the accuser has weakened. the memories fade for natural reasons. that full at have to side of that the evidence is not strong enough to continue pursuing an indictment. also coming up the earlier this year a french judge ruled in favor of a rooster in a noise complaint smell the defendant is a duck will the same justice applied to birds of a different feather. i don't think i'm not well so these ducks are a problem my ducks make new ones. and this bothers the neighborhood of what. you our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world that welcome we begin the day in which the 2 cases against julie the songs became the one kick against julian of
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songe the world knows the songs as the founder of wiki leaks and the man accused by the u.s. of helping carry out one of the biggest leaks of classified documents in history but there is a 2nd legal case against assad make that there was a 2nd case in 2012 women in sweden accused of songe of rape and sexual assault a songe spent almost a decade avoiding extradition to sweden from the u.k. because he feared that sweden would then hand him over to the u.s. or today sweden drop is investigation the prosecutor saying that too much time has passed with sweden out of the picture that makes the legal question surrounding a staunch simpler for the u.k. the united states wants britain to hand over a songe to face charges connected to that major leak of classified documents a songe says that he is protected by the 1st amendment right to free speech in the u.s. but washington says he broke the wall. this is
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how he sentence began this may julian assange we storm a courthouse after a judge refused his plea to stay free the wiki leaks founder had cleaned himself up since british police tracked him from the ecuadorian embassy just weeks. outside the court supporters who are vocal in their anger at the sentence many see as someone who is a hero for exposing abuses of power and championing free speech the case against the songs in britain arose when 2 swedish women accused him of sexual assault and rape in 2010 a song sought refuge in the ecuadorian embassy afraid that sweden could extradite him to the u.s. he faced prosecution that the wiki leaks release of millions of classified documents since his sentence started in britain as aunties lawyers have turned
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their attention to the u.s. extradition request authorities there have charged him with conspiring to break into a pentagon computer system this case is and has always been about the risk of extradition to the united states. we've been saying since 2010 that risk is real and we now have a provisional extradition request from the united states. it's a battle a song has been fighting for months from prison but fighting extradition could take much longer. and for more i'm joined tonight by joshua rosenberg hughes a british legal commentator he joins us from cambridge in england mr rosenberg it's good to have you on the program i'd like to get your take on what happened today after 9 years we hear from swedish prosecutors that the evidence is too weak what do you make of their. it's not the story just because the evidence
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doesn't change what it very person said is that she wants to end the size the injured party that's the 1st plane of social assault has submitted a credible and reliable version of events about the state and the statements of it there in an extensive detail but the prosecutor but my overall assessment gives the if additional situation has been weakened to such an extent but there is no longer any reason to continue the investigation i suppose what the prosecutors say is that memories fade the events alleged many years ago now i and sweetness we know has statutes of limitation in other words it would be too new to prosecute after a certain amount of time and 6 spot so maybe that's the thing if i did it it would be difficult to get the fiction off of this time but let me ask you this i mean maybe maybe swedish law is different from u.k. law in this matter but the depositions that the the 2 women gave back in 2010 isn't
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that used in the can use regardless if it's 3 years have passed in 5 years have passed i mean wouldn't the deposition be just as good today as it was 9 years ago as long as the statute of limitations has run out. that's a very fair point and the statute of limitations knock visually right out but you would expect that the witnesses would be cool to give oral evidence we would expect that they would be cross-examined and that perhaps is more difficult but maybe that's another point i don't think it is as you report it like julian did in prison he served prison sentence here in the u.k. for jumping bail and all surrendering bail and he was sentenced to do it in europe for that but he more of a just standing extradition to the united states. only the swedish will say that you know that any prison sentence in the lungs the squinting up the possibility of
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extradition would count towards any prison sentence in might get if he would be sent to sweden in other words this is a apps. and you say pending extradition. how do you see what do you what do you see the whitely hood of him being extradited to the u.s. is being do you think that he will be sent to america. certainly the chance is being sent to united states critiques and the reason for that is that until today there were 2 extradition requests before the british government i'm sick critic has to decide and while most from sweden one from was from the united states and they separate state has to decide which one to give her 2 additional it's entirely clear whether the government would have said it was sweet because 1st sweden or maybe the charges not that states. and the 2. states that brought this go away
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because it's now only one what is now certainly that's going to be challenged to the court to the senate but it's only one request and question whether he can this week what would happen if he sort of said sweet what you did good not states and that's all gone i'd like for you to just take a listen to part of what the editor in chief of wiki leaks has said about the case against julian assange in the united states take a listen. to those lawyers. saturday but they want to talk to you. but this case should be dismissed taj it should be. an on the basis of an international treaty or a bilateral treaty between the united states and the united kingdom the treaty actually put into egypt which basically states that you cannot actually died in it but you put a political offense and that's exactly what is being done here and it's shameful that we select we spending time in court. how do you see this he said that what
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julian assange is accused of is a political of thin the united states says that he is guilty of espionage and leaking classified material that is certainly not more than a political offense in the eyes of the united states and how do you as a u.k. law expert how do you see it. well obviously this is something that's going to be all of you doubt in the cold you know education in this hearing states the february before book cool has to decide with the experience you're going to this is one of the arguments it may well go to ohio it may take some months to get this it may go back to the united kingdom supreme court but you can see why ees all getting it's political and you can see why the united states it's all good but it's not political this is simply a criminal offense this is breaking we have an official secrets act here in this
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country islamic countries too in other words restrictions on providing audit station to the public so that is a question that is going to be argued out it's a perfectly legitimate question and they are going to come down with the switch signboards will get it but it is all given to loose and it's void of quote if i don't think that the slate cools here in the united kingdom but it should not be it's like united states mr aznar before we let you go i want to ask you one more question and in this age of bragg's it with breaks it about finally take place knowing that the united states wants julius on to be extradited. do you think that that reduces the likelihood that the u.k. would ever decide not to extradite him i mean do you see the politics of brecht's it influencing this legal decision. no it is he said there are certainly cases where the british government business as refuse to sit with somebody for
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trial it states people suffering from mental difficulties for example that it was a computer it was said. and you can see certain steps susan we wouldn't be appropriate to do so and it's rich it used to be that joint legal political purpose was but expression now is well look at a house full of titian's they ultimately up to the last minute but it's very much a legal process and i'm sure that the government whichever government is elected off of the general election whatever happens to bricks it become ok wait and see what the copes say the courts say this is not political but it's perfectly possible for it to be expedited i'd be very surprised if it got the biggest open to the decision. just rosenberg british legal commentator joining us tonight from cambridge and in the midst words were we appreciate your time and your insights
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tonight thank you. in the multi journal staff niggly was known as a one woman wiki leaks for her work highlighting corruption in malta and it's long been speculated that her murder 2 years ago was because of her investigative work when el montes prime minister jens of most scots have said that he will guarantee a presidential pardon for a man arrested last week and that man says that he knows who killed. the leaks. and the prime minister has said that the pardon is dependent on the subject cooperating with the murder investigation take a listen. that little if it might come i signed this let's end it on a pair of saloon on the face of this person who does have the assurance that if they collaborate with the police and the information they give you sufficient to
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prosecute the mastermind of this crime and this person will get a presidential pardon as a matter of presidency. well at that press conference a reporter asked about alleged links between the ringleaders behind the murder and the government of the prime minister take a listen to this it might be sure to discuss the name of the show if you're in if the mosque in mind is sort of an found to have business relations with anyone in your government or a member of stuff with as they do feel government and at the moment to for the i think it would be really jumping the gun ok yeah it's you jumping the gun to talk about that and a lot more i'm joined now by keith mcauliffe he's a journalist for the times of malta joining us tonight from the lead to malta the times of the newspaper that 1st reported this story it's good to have you on the show keith let me leave the couple what that reporter asked the prime minister saying i'll give this man
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a pardon him if he cooperates that you would assume means that the prime minister is confident that whatever this man says is not going to implicate the prime minister or his inner circle right. well that's what we believe it is but the prime minister was also very keen to state this is not going to be a blanket presidential pardon the prime minister said he himself admitted that he's not very fond of presidential pardons were difference to one particular case about a decade ago own director for going where the expectation was given a presidential pardon but his evidence wasn't enough to incriminate the suspect so joseph the prime minister has always been very skeptical about presidential pardons indeed it has been quite a surprise this is the philip and then the british prime minister stressed quite a lot this morning speaking soon it was before
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a cabinet meeting that who would be giving the presidential pardon on condition that what the suspects were dismissed the men with the same court will actually lead to the identification of their muster mines were keen to add to we know that the this middle man that he is telling the truth how do we know that he knows what he says he knows. well to be honest i mean people close to the investigation and this did this does guy he's a taxi driver has a 41 year old texan driver he's been mentioned in the investigation maybe not publicly to but in private sectors and said it was close to the investigation for a number of months i would say in not only weeks and months for some reason it was only now that the government decided to step up the investigation and decided that this was the right time to offer the presidential pardon somebody something there must have been
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a turning point whereby the government believes that no it's time is ripe to gave the presidential pardon so that this middle man can say who was the muster mine and now the question is not only who but why why was it felt that. to begin and not just who actually had this plan where you know it has been 2 years since the murder and the investigation basically was was going nowhere so i take your point that something must have happened. to make the prime minister say i'll give this man a pardon if he cooperates do you know what happened are there sources telling you anything that would indicate a change in the investigation. well what is sure is that the government was coming under intense pressure that the investigation is well in progress and in fact the
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boats a few weeks ago i believe it was around the 2nd anniversary government was criticized for refusing once again to have the f.b.i. on the case that was perceived as some kind of. new government not being very enthusiastic about the case being resolved no one of a sudden the government seems seems to be stepping up its efforts pressure from outside friction from the council of europe even to launch an inquiry on whether does murder could have been prevented his having to stall i believe many people believe that the government now is realizing that 3 years down the line. this case it was through all of on it can do to sort of this case once and for all what do you think specially times of war that. keep them is as before we run out of time i mean it sounds like based on what we what we are reading and seeing and what you're saying it sounds like the prime minister is more concerned about this not
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becoming a p.r. disaster than he is about true justice being delivered for this murdered journalist is that a correct assessment. i think it's a bit presumptuous to say it's he's more concerned about a p.r. disaster what's what this did the worst case scenario for the prime minister is to have a political involvement in this murder if there is a political motive maybe definitely want to go if you will isn't who was very very on the ball when it came to corruption links to the government maybe that would be the worse case scenario a clue to the prime minister now believes that time has come to do whatever it needs to be done now the time is right to give his presidential pardon maybe. throw a light on this case once and for nobody knows exactly what will what will be happening. do we know keith before we let you go do we do we know who is paying for
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the defense of the 3 men who have been implicated in this i mean i know that there was a lot of reporting about the funding. and yes there it's i mean they've even sent some documents for forensic examination united states and that costs tens of thousands now apparently these suspects they declared they had very low income and would unemployed and going to the region to say how american they afford such legal expenses and to do dece these these foreign sick examination and united states and that it's that is all it's also fueling questions d. their defense lawyer has been asked about the source of the funds is being made but they wouldn't comment. ok journalist keith mccullough from the times of malta joining us tonight from valetta want to keep we appreciate your time and updating us on the story we appreciate it thank you we're now i'd like to bring in on the telephone kareena bella she is the sister of the murdered maltese journalist
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daphne gilead sia she joins me also from the lead. miss villa can you hear me. i think here you can yes i can hear you we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us i thought i'd like to get your take on this decision that we have received from the prime minister that he's promised a pardon to this middle man if the middle man cooperates and leads the investigation to the the murderer what's your reaction to that. how long i mean he's focusing on the cotton is something it is not really the issue this is a review about moving investigation for didn't it and from what i've seen and heard there seems to be enough profit potential evidence to move the investigation further than the person being arrested and. is now offering a plea bargain is
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a necessary step forward then it's a welcome step forward i mean this is a great opportunity to deliver justice the test stands how mossad is going to handle all of this what do you have to face in the justice system in malta i mean for from the outside looking at this story it's been 2 years since your sister was murdered and we still don't know who's behind this horrible crime. we have an old time to check it was in the end justifies to be delivered in malta i'm encouraged by the fact of the has being a father and that it looks like the investigation can move further up from that yes there have been in shoes yes it's been a long time and no the case will not be closed once a murderer is in j. destiny reported on crime uncut report on corruption at the heart of government
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some of that touches on crime than just the trust of it's a live it on every single level to every time she ever wrote about she wrote about people in government and they are so that so full justice meaning justice for her mother and justice for her of course. this is a step forward and we need to take things further. and we can understand that you would like to see some resolution in some closure in this case the fact that it has taken so long do you think that speaks to the reality of the political injustice system in malta that your sister reported on that it is somewhat corrupt and needs to be reformed do you think we're seeing what deftly reported on we're seeing it right before our eyes now. being there have been several reports says that he was killed by the national overnight changes including the council of
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europe venice commission because you know on constitutional changes there was an update published today. as not being any progress in any of the areas mentioned in the council of europe report which was you know the subject of a resolution and use those no there's not been any progress except for the announcement of a public inquiry you know the center of. the problem actually. changes recommended by defense commission that has been very little progress on the house of. career develop the sister of the murdered maltese journalist have me believe she is joining us tonight from malta we appreciate your time and we appreciate your insights and sharing your thoughts with us tonight thank you. thank you corning. for freedom of speech is alive and well in france if. you're a duck
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a court has ruled that dogs kept by a retired farmer well they may keep on quacking after a neighbor sued in court over their racket the court said that the quacking was with respectable noise limits. the ducks have one of these ducks they belong to dominic due to a retired farmer in southwestern france she's been keeping ducks for 36 years i don't think i know all that so these ducks are a problem my ducks make noise. and this bothers the neighborhood of was there that neighbor who didn't identify himself publicly as a recent arrival from an unnamed city he took the question very seriously. and said you were never miss you do why i was coming to see me once or twice a week until the day i broke down from seeing him constantly and him telling me you should do something he should put up
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a noise proof wall that i will make you pay for. it was hell. if you don't. do just court date attracted plenty of supporters thousands of others signed a petition in favor of the ducks right to question. the case isn't the 1st one this year in france pitting noisy birds against new arrivals from the city in another small town a rooster named maurice solenoid transplanted city slickers that they too filed suit to stop as crowing maurice was allowed to continue so it's country folk too quiet seekers 0 over here are that if you live in the country sign to get away from the noise for me it's dead. no one is life so i say i will keep my ducks the good neighborhood the government and the so with the judgment under their wing these birds have not run afoul of the law. we like the dogs.
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