well i just sometimes found stand up in which you. think stevens or german culture of looking out stereotypes the question but interesting to see from countries that i not. needed to prepare for this drama they are you know it's all about their new i'm rachel join me from the german sunday w. post. this is forth from forementioned we have mostly from the libya you saying the u.s. is badly informed yes i think the brits have been for your pool are you worth saving are you really worth it. 8 years after the overthrow of the gadhafi regime libya has descended into almost continual conflict between its rival centers of power my guess this week here in paris is made my teeth deputy prime minister of the un backed government of national accord closely allied to groups of armed

militias which have been credited with serious human rights abuses does a government like that still deserve the support of the west. up my betting welcome to called lights on i know. last april donald trump showered complements on your main rival in libya really for hostile which clearly shocked you and yet you claim to come back with a message that the u.s. was still behind you what's the evidence for that would be we believe that we've been a us ally for quite a long time we were fighting side by side to 5 to dash and isis and libya times change the kurds thought that as well where they were changed because we cannot apply what happened in syria and libya and i'm talking about how alliances come and

go. mr trump said that he appreciated this they have to a significant role in fighting terrorism they have a shared vision for libya's transition to a stable democracy high praise from the leader of the western world for your main enemy isn't that standing by you it's a pretty lukewarm way of standing by and. then you say those things about you know we still believe. that administration of united state that mr ation of the white house was believed down some wrong mistakes so long messages have been around about have torah and his fighting terrorism. i think the force in the us is badly informed yes i think the president by inform and i believe that the message passed yesterday from the foreign ministers would libyan foreign ministers and the libyan internal ministers they want to see libyan stable and the problem in libya settled

through a political process yeah but they don't necessarily want you to win anymore. the issue is not winning a war we are fighting for what you want to talk to have to really be ruled out talking to no it's not the relations between the genie government and have to order a government of national yes then after our government we believe that the libyan people should went for bringing libya to stability to have a democratic countries to have a country which rules by law and not getting back to a military rule and for the good you say this is we are in 'd june that just as life editor you flatly rejected the idea of talking to have to have stuck can't be trusted you said talking with after is out of the question we need about that's what you said when you go to peace process you need the bottles and it was after he wants you to talk so you're not on the same page there well why should i want you to talk no washington said that washington story wasn't

a did not say that we want to they want us to talk with after wasn't and say that the political process should be peacefully not through a military. you know attacking tripoli is not the solution they did say the state department official said in april the u.s. is consulting with a broad range of libyan leaders as well as our international partners to press for stabilization and bring prime minister else iraq and general hafta back to the negotiating table so they want you to talk this you think they stay in the same position after 88 months of fighting around tripoli after all the attack on hospitals and schools after it's all their lives there we lost from both sides on that i think the u.s. message is completely different today i think they want to look at who are causing this war or libya and who's. because in this brooksley world you hope it's different but you have no evidence that it's different in june we had the acting

u.s. defense secretary patrick shanahan also saying what we've said before what i do support is field-marshal have to support in terms of his role in counterterrorism but where we need to support is in building democratic stability in the region so there talking still talking about multi players talking to each other yes but at the same issue have to send a clear message to everybody that he don't want to democracy in libya he want to own libyans for quite sometimes until he see that libya stable to go for them kristie i think this is a conflict within what you project to say from the foreign ministers or. the defense minister you've been pushing the message for a long time the d.n.a. has been pushing the message for a long time that you can win and that you will finally beat him back outside of tripoli and he knows the game is over it doesn't seem to know that

the game is over why have you misled people like this will you think we mislead people i believe after 8 months he did not succeed to get into tripoli after 8 months of fighting with all the support that have to getting from outside libya he didn't win that he didn't get a libya in tripoli he said that i would be in 3 probably in 2 days and he said that repeatedly the g. and a is above the past now we since the 4th of april was almost for 8 months he did not succeed and as look at the way around this matic what's driving this conflict isn't just the failure to hold talk it's the fact that the war economy develop of many years has made libya's militia groups absurdly rich and they refused to give this up and that includes militias that are allied to your government as well when we have a clear program. to clean up tripoli and clean up libya from militia and our program

stop you haven't got very far will we start in the february with our turn and ministers but unfortunately have to attack and the 4th of april and make or dispose of rum just stand and stop so it's clear that he want to cause he want to use any excuse to attack tripoli does not a problem for militia not a problem for economics windage in a government came to power the production of oil was just 120 better the day to day we are talking about 1001000000 200000 barrel a day when we came to bowen in libya they libyan kind of they had a lot of problems let's say yes let's talk about these militia groups because in october the world bank said there was now an open war in your country for power and wealth capture and report after report has suggested that only the militia groups hold sway in your country that the prime minister has little if any real power over the whole country or indeed the forces which are stand simply under his control

power rests mostly in the hands of the militia cartel this is the view of the small arms. well mary one side and one side the whole ward stand by the cheney politically in public announcement but under the table many of these countries are supporting this militia and that's why we have the problems we want to clearance from the rest of the world and country who are helping us in 2011 that they are really stand by the governor austin and world is peeling need to cut your links with these corrupt militia groups who you continue to ally with yeah but the still we're going to show them something in this country is they make the will of the militia strongest and this is exactly what we're looking for that in better lean process they'd stop helping different identity than the government of libya who's helping who's up in these many countries which european countries our

neighbor countries and some arab countries so so you're blaming it on the on the europeans that you have close ties with murdering militia groups who extort who fire off their weapons against civilian areas it's all europe's fault is it and that they are deeply involved in the corruption of your administration well they don't trust the government. they believe that some of the militia are stronger than the government and they made good will they improved haven't they well they don't prove it when they have to attack tripoli everybody was allying with the government to different the capital from the military rulers who want to rule the country take the back are a battle and it was ordered by the g.n.a.t. disband after its leader repeatedly involved in fighting tripoli airport he took no notice the special deterrence force this is a group that detained 2 journalists for questioning and arrested others without warrant one of its commander said we can't act as if the government were in

a position to give us orders in other words they take no notice of you so that's how that's how much influence you have on these militias we need time to bring our military together we need time to make our security better you shouldn't of got into bed with these deeply corrupt violent also noise a bad and with this militia disposition was existing before that in a government even exist we came in by our would would more than 30 or $35.00 militia in tripoli now we have only a few more less than 3 or 4 in tripoli and now under your government a cartel of 4 major militia groups have gradually divided up the capital between themselves and they now hold you and the government of national accord ransom to their changing demands and the endless feuds and corruption well i think you have some good information but some of your information is quite old since that that after of tripoli everybody is united and the number 11 agenda we don't have militias who are as both as you reported explained your own interior

minister. he blurted it out during an interview in january he said his interior ministry budget falls under the control of militia groups by force that's what he set the ministries expenses have reached 300000000 dinars and widespread corruption was found so you say minutes. budget belongs to women when militia of our our minister say that the holy war should say that he started his program to clean up his ministers from descriptive militia training and you're government is rotten to the core with these people involved in your budgets taking over your budgets by force it's rotten to the core is no that's why we have a new ministers that's why he started his program in the last mars so everybody knows that you cannot to clean up from 30 militia in one day you wake up and you have all things done you need times and the process. and the extortioners going on

and you've let it happen and they have over the years the last 2 years they have extorted attempted to extort huge sums of money from the government you have to look at the whole story the government of genie came to power in 2016 was outside tripoli came to tripoli clean up a tripoli from a lot of militia started this war against. isis insert after all after he says he is after reading your. analysis have to say you have to do what you have to say that you clean a bunch. of done that but never mention that that insert he done the job we done the job after only 4 months of arriving in tripoli at the same time as your militia groups are extorting from you you know that exactly when the country is invited you have to work 1st and you have to have priorities which hour by hour to cleaning up the country from isis or fighting the militia mr matic if you don't stand for law

and order and then into corruption you don't stand for anything at all no we really don't we do but we get to our country and our country had a long war with isis for more than a year and a half once we done with isis we started up to rebuild our financial institutions and when we get to our financial institution we find a problem with asia and we have problems with our oil production at the same time we find have to attacking oil field and we don't want to go in conflict with him because we have our internal problem with the militia so we have our biology as i explained to you we have ability i says issues arise in the production of oil making the life libyans better and of course we have to clean up our country from british or and or controlling of our many of those are usually wrong way round because these militia groups have carried out extrajudicial executions they have

attacked civilians and civilian properties. and abducted tortured and disappeared people maybe you should have started with them our we have the world and the hold and the hold they have on your government ministers we have a problems with our borders we have a problem is with refugees we have a problems of illegal immigrants we have a problems to make our libyan currency for the 6 millions for libyans their life betters to improve their economies we have to find a way to have you know step one and the time we cannot do it all at the same time. how can you claim them to be any kind of legitimate over 30 when your own affiliates murder and steal their way around your country with absolute impunity none of these militia groups have been brought to account there's no intention to bring them to account is that of course you could have taken some of the leaders you could have put them on trial if you were really serious about doing something yeah and you bet your capital your own capital at the risk at the same time there

isn't a terrorist attacking other city in libya so but there are people going to ask at the end of the day are you worth saving as a government are you really worth it of course we're worth of make the life to have been better we saved a life people uncertain we live for you we make the life of the libyans and study of having what one dollars for 40 dollars today is for dinners for one day you know what when will you live better than a 3rd of your people want to leave the country whether one of them want to leave your country well because the people who are or the country who are helping the other side attacking the capitals and making the life of libyan war and causing a proxy war in libya and what about cleaning up the appalling treatment of many thousands of migrants in your country in june the un high commissioner for human rights urged you to launch an immediate investigation into the disappearance of more than 150 migrants from the detention center under the oversight of your

department for combating illegal migration fact is that 203 people were delivered on may the 23rd by june the 7th the facility reported that only 30 were left what happened to these people when we have a lot of immigrants from libya who was not staying there and that that center says particularly disturbing in the light of the fact that immigrant migrants are being sold into forced labor to smugglers who promise them transit to europe and they're being sold from the other homes and that libya alone cannot deal with them a concession. disses you can't deal with slade this is no no you can't do is lay this is a report had done we have no proof of it ok and we work closely with our you know ministers you have no authority you know this is going on you've known for the last 2 years it was good no this is not right this is not this is false information we have no slavery in libya we have no what sort of call

a slavery issue libya we have to work with international community what is their interest what is it you are your own as long as you are that is not what all the reports have been saying that opel are being sold to people trafficker traffickers and women are being sold for sexual exploitation you denial that you we have no information as a government otherwise we do our job how come they have much more information than you they are better informed. whereas they are when the government is working closely with the international community to save the lives in the middle of the mediterranean seas where does this reports when our coast guard would just very few visitors that we have we saved 1000 the flight every morning and every day where there are dissident boards when we try to help this immigrants and the middle of sahara desert bring their life to more stable and leave libya we have more than 800000 immigrants in libya live close to what libyans with all of the reports we've been do you know a lot we've been working

a lot to save the life of immigrants we believe that we should have better reports and bitter understanding of the problems if the international community is committed and willing to work with the libyans not sending messages about steven in libya we have been promises a lot 'd on the lot from europeans but nothing been done many of there since 2 so you're denying responsibility for this so i'm not denying responsibility of something to happen and we are responsible for it as a government of libya we will do our best and we are committed to work with the international community in. 2nd the life of the immigrants is better but what they will be and what the international community done or this is why they are accusing the libyans with the way why they did not do what they have to do with the libyans when we as a citizen of we ask for help to do our rebuttal graham they have they've been giving you plenty of training in law has been given nothing of training and you and you and your culture you are yours european and european committee many times

a commune community many times that there are promises it's very very very low than what they already promised us if you were doing so much yourself why do you continue to employ people in your coast guard who've been sanctioned by the un i'm thinking of one of your coast guard officials. milat according to the sanctions listing from june last year he heads the regional unit of the coast guard in zawiya that is consistently linked with violence against migrant and other human smugglers why do you still employ these people i think there is a report coming from our minister of interior saying clearly that he is not an employee foreign minister and turn to the u.n. panel of experts claims that he and other coast guard members directly involved in the sinking of migrant boats using firearms the u.n. says this coast guard is consistently linked and you say you know nothing about it no i said our minister of frontier and they have a clear statement that this man is not an employee by the minister of internal.

so who is employed by the coast gergen well he has the coast guard calling according to the sanctions listing says that he collaborates with other migrant smugglers such as mohammed catch lafe who sources suggest is providing protection to him to carry out illicit operations related to the trafficking and smuggling of migrants several people in criminal investigations have stated they were picked up at sea by armed men on the coast guard ship called tele ill used by millet and taken to the detention center where they are reportedly held in brutal conditions and subjected beatings he of course denies any wrongdoing. of course if something like this happen we as a government condemned own description of actions and if he's working with our minister of interior or our coast guard he should feed to band and killed in 2017

the u.n. secretary general appealed to your government to investigate reports of slaves being sold in libya and you personally you personally announced the setting up of a commission of inquiry to investigate where is this commission of inquiry commission the us has never heard of it yeah your in had heard the whole report about it and i want mr instead of justice league this commission and have a clearer ground that's why so that's all you know is nobody you know we talked to including un has ever heard of this commission that was set up you say no we said it and the headed by them one minister frontier or not and they've done 2 public announcement about the whole report about slavery about what there is don't think it's liberty in libya and this is was afforded as simply in direct contradiction to all the reports that have pointed to it well for a tittie of reporters maybe maybe you got only the 1st part of the report you don't follow up with the rest of that you can't even tell me where these people in comms went when you were contacted by the un and asked pacifically earlier this year

where did these people go to well if you are talking about disappeared you did not disappear and they went out of their center well they said there is more than 800000 women couldn't leave in libya outside the centers so you cannot claim disguise as went out of the center and they're not leaving good condition in libya. the u.s. embassy says that the endemic corruption in your government and the militia influence over government ministries has contributed to your inability to address trafficking effectively you have some responsibility for this you have responsibility for these migrants many of whom are kept in the palling conditions indefinitely subject to abuse beaten up some in conditions that amount to torture are you prepared when to go into

a court of law and justify why you kept people in these conditions as long as we have a formations about what's happening in this interests and that's why we have a regular visitor from the commissioner from new and different places we are doing our best to keep this up to standard it's not so honestly though is that sometimes sometimes it is difficult to deal with this when there's somebody attack in hospital and school in your town and your country you cannot. talk about immigrants and their problems i know it's a humanitarian tragedy i would believe we will do our best despite that there is nothing been done from the international community there is nothing being done there is no war you had what you hear it's easy always to blame something no i'm not blaming them we're not blaming them with you we have a large window of the responsible we are we we are an african nations and are up

nations and the mediterranean and there is a responsibility lie on our shoulders as a government of libya but we are the time for and conflict and that's why we need the international community to stand by us helping us to manage this fight it's a big fight libya cannot deal with this fight alone and that's why we ask the international community standards to get rid of the militias of course we need 20 what we did get the flu shot we need to get rid of the military rulers we need to have a better life of libya when the government of national called has been look at what the government of national call did look in 34 years name one government in the world then. liberate a city like sirte from isis without any water on the ground help being diligent the libyan did that a lot the government beyond the war and that that of half tours of the capital as

we have a bitter financial. and you have a long list and you have a long list of failures as well of course it is very long i'm something i'm not found go to even used to makea those reforms i'm not you agree last year you think fuel subsidies always think unifying the central bank failure to settle the teachers as not our failure to invest in basic services no electricity no no i said i said it's very clear for me that we had a lot of success stories and we have a failure. we have a success story that we can't brow different we are very proud for the government but the same times we have a problems because there is there is very limited time to do always there is a problems with conflict in libya there is always that the country has or doesn't want to be stable and there is a big challenge for government overall during

a conflict and during the present of isis and terrorism in the country ok with mighty good to have your own comfort so thank you very much we thank out of time thank you. to to. to.

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