welcome to the what is the game you want. to talk about. every. show you know. this week 77 percent street date. nothing is being done here this concrete just not ready to 100 b.c. i don't have support of anybody i cannot support return is for ever feeling our young people and we are continuing to feel our young people in. the gallery is responsible for the highest number of people and the great impress

catholics have than any other african nation and that's truly shocking if you consider the size of the population here but now a lot of young people are coming back in fact the international organization for migration estimates that on a monthly basis over 100 returning a stepping right back into this country question is is the country prepared to take care of them and who better to answer this question for me than troll gambians and we'll begin with mr demba here he is actually one of the people who left the country as an immigrant and you decided to take the back route known because it is that your regular way of going how was that journey for you was it worth it how long did it take just give you a little insight into what happened. judy was so hard for me i took time from. at the synagogue told me i'm going to 50 i think into maybe you'll get it you could not post a 1000000 and they said if you don't pay him when he was going to bring out to the prison here in may so i was having him many a time to get that money believe me having

a last. going back to you see too difficult to approach these 2. you know i mean you can very well actually you money if you don't bring money do would be to be on the machine right ok let me come are you one of the very few women actually because statistically women from the gambia daunte migrates it's men who make up 97 percent of those people who are leaving and i'm curious to know as a woman if that journey was more difficult for you and if the government has been there for you since he returned is was very difficult and we me i don't talk see it and i do throw a lot of money back you've not need there after i get there i can make filio i get the kidney problem before i am claiming i meet him there take care of me because that then i was going there i do come in. i got this that's was my situation is very dangerous but they are very take care of me take me to the hospital little me back. so a lot of gratitude being expressed particularly to i.o.m.

which i find interesting what disability you are a social analyst do you think that the gallery is too heavily dependent on international organizations to solve a local problem. that's for sure because gambia does seem tough the capacity 200 this every right to depend on those international organizations international organizations i don't think they're doing well i think there's a lot of smoke screens and we do that here of course the girl is she just dunking the national youth council without them she would not speak here so these are some of the problems from the national youth council to the international organization for migration the e.u. projects that if they feel success stories that become but on billboards in the country nothing is being done here it's not ready it's not equal $203.00 tonys on is better for the international community to make sure that our young people i'm not seeing what i have on look for long term. pushing but mr somebody i'm here now

talking about people who were forcibly treated back into their countries but these ones return voluntarily resign gambians where should they be taken wish will be go but there should come you know what i'm saying here is under you know what's happening in libya it came about from the media because according to. the international report the european union was collaborating with disobedience to talk to an end to the of all young people i'm sorry i can't allow you to say such things without backing i mean we i. mean there's fact there's a lot and there's no reason to raise. the international report i can send you the link immediately after this of this stuff that is conflict ok so some very serious accusations being leveled not just against you but international organizations that are just here for the power point presentations of the end of the year i hear effective as i.o.m. or any u.n. agency or any international organization our role in any country is to support the

government to address these concerns and a huge part of that is as rightly mentioned perhaps 2017 there was a limited capacity on behalf of the government to manage this issue but i think at the same time it's a bit unfair to see any intern. organization will solve the entire problem on its own expertise is in our we assisted voluntary returning reintegration so many of these individuals. were in a situation in libya they just could not stay in it's inhumane and we believe the you mean assistance to provide to them assist them in returning home and when they're home we can provide them reintegration in the form of skills training in the form of setting up a micro business but at the same time we understand i.o.m. cannot support returning is forever and i think we all need to work together with many different organizations to address this issue one of them being of course the national youth council the i.o.m. as his has rightly said is not here for the long haul what are your plans for

people like demba and all me you know 2030 years from now and for the thousands of others who still haven't reached the shores of the gambia i think this is one of the. supporting but it's an international going to. us but did. he have to compliment the government to force this course. and sort of government believe in due process not allowing this is that i must. tell you all part of this government you are representative of government and you're speaking as though it's a foreign entity what are you doing what have you done. it's not just about government sort of as an arm of government or the minister what we do is visit a government in terms of what i did and. you just provided for them ok i don't know what has been provided i said no one has been provided is coming from i.o.m. in terms of providing them support what we want is to see examples of. coming from

government to say this is what government is doing and not just continuing to say this is what i am and what i'm delighted is what is coming from so. this question is to ensure that we work with and we can bring out the example to see government hospital by that i mean on dollars or 10000000 dollars and this is about what i've invested in terms of supporting young people really want to continue courting to say i am a supporter or to see beyond the possible but we want to be able to say as a government this is what we have gone and we have to live the process of supporting our young people and not continuing to lie ok going to support the right and let me come back to will suffice here because you know we're hearing from the n.y.c. that they have plans because of things that might happen in the future but you know already doing something about it do you think your government has let you down. providing it is not definitely reaching it demands. people who've

benefited like me. can you can you tell me tell me how you benefited through n.y.c. we've secured. you know for members to we've got to give us one is. not. to start something but at least we've got something from them but does not you know if that's not what you think enough of almost everything most of the top news can see. not receiving to support which is. needed we are also doing our best. to make sure that you put more. months of the return is on makes. at least something to hold on to ok well i don't want to come back to you because you are very passionate about the issue of deportation is it immoral for western

governments to return or repack cheri young gun bans back to this economic situation yeah i think it's immoral are several levels i told you about the role of these very start governments that destroyed our society our culture on everything through cold colonialism. that's one part the 2nd part is the western government is very aware of the gumby us particularly unique situation we came away from what they're called 22 years of brutal dictatorship country almost went into flames in december 26th in thanks to the collaboration of the international community we were able to. now the situation of this migration i don't even call it illegal migration it's been there for years i'm not seeing people should not return i'm not seeing that all across i know the situation in europe i know ultimately did have to come what i'm saying this whole rush to bring them back off of this problem started to be i think that's morally wrong because you know our situation the you know we had a coalition government in the coalition government right now has been torn apart they are trying to get to each other's troops to deal with the situation in

december we don't know what's going to. be a peaceful we hope for a piece of this potential in the international communication community knows this why do they want to push these young people to come here to some people have traveled they've gone through some of the boot our circumstances they've gone through some of these people have been exposed to drugs some of them have been exposed to arms so forcefully pushing these young people. right now it's like. striking and much on the. dry fully. ok i want to. do you think it's unfair to expect. any other european nation. to hold on to your citizens until you're ready i think. interest we have our own interest and the whole issue has been politicized to some extent securitized by

politicians both in europe. i don't think the government is ready to receive all these in germany or in. italy or in stand in media web because already we have distrust in. you have the more graphic. than i mix with playing against the country we have like you mentioned over 40 percent unemployment level lot of young people in our streets doing nothing i think what we have failed to do is we have known the problem. is a big why we always focus on the economic aspects of it. speaks to the problem how do we solve these problems how do we bring all these boys about without creating a cataclysmic situation in our country ok so we've been talking about deportation but i think it's important to recognize that there are those people who come back for the entire family and i just want to find out from you what percentage of returning from europe and what percentage are from africa so basically since

2017 i am has assisted in the return of over 4200 returnees an overwhelming majority of them are from africa the voluntary returnees from europe don't even amount to 100 out of. an overwhelming majority of them are from libya 3000 of those are also 3000 of the. 27000 come are coming from libya but right now we're seeing a trend of lesser needs from libya but more from the share actually so it really is along that route in africa that we're seeing most individuals opting to return home ok so coming back to you moment because if most of them have not even reached the shores of the euro and they want to come back and you're saying we're not ready as a country what do they do for those in libya and the situation is very dire i think . to bring them back but still like we've all agreed here the. most unique situation right now can't handle this none of the statements here convinced me that

he is ready for this. economy. coming back to families. coming a lot to get disability. these countries now coming back besides the economics which is really fundamentally important it's about the social stigma that will have to deal with. you when you didn't make it you're coming back we don't have a proper. institution 100 people who have mental issues we know of an issue of under 20. 1 of the institutions of people with mental problems this guy killed 2 people. so these issues are so complex i'm not seeing those in libya for instance i'm not saying they should you should not come back but the international community international organizations like i.o.m. should go beyond the billboards on the very flashy short videos the throw out in social media and come down to the level of the people and tell people ok so

speaking of social issues i want to come back to demba because you actually told me that you lost both your parents during your time in libya and you ended up breaking your foot in fact you were telling me that it was hurting now when you came back did you have a support system where your friends good to you or did they treat you differently no i don't have the support of anybody so my older brother my brother was supporting me i went to police just to give him time. to support to support him but still no no but i don't have support ok i want to talk to only here for a 2nd because you are recounting something horrific that you were not only kidnapped but you had kidney failure so you come back to the country did you get psychological help did you get financial help. i don't have any i have without. and i have one have been without my family is not a no you can answer but they are doing

a lot for me because my daughter in gambia wants them in me or 3 men it's going to be here it cannot be here i have to go to dhaka then i got to go through that that are also. me. i have to do that or less is that they can help me but it's not that it's not too it meant but what is it 3 men is didn't make blaming and for show how to call it master you counsel they don't have that money to help me for that and factor here is your friend factually also understand that you took that trip all the way did you make it to libya. also return is only via the. what have you received any support for given the government from your family and from your friends did they welcome you back or did they start treating you differently no i i thank god for my funny and my friends it was the time i came back here live people who'll give me support to survive

by this time he was the ideal one who helped me to give me someone need to clarify something for myself so i'm thank god for that ok i want to come with a for money our journalists here what is that attitude for the young people of ghana would never left the country who then see people like me and most of being i would even call it showered you know because it might look that way from the outside what is accepted of those who never left. they usually see people who are torn failure some of the huge for one reason is. that on cross usually kind of what i was. such as people because of how the money put themselves on social media is one of the key influencer when it comes to base it on migration for example if you go to set me today you'll find so

many so many figures by. my council even in italy or in germany. we've. got to really force them to go. after. because on the slender force and that is you leave it where my grandson is the last choice over huge concert out in the middle of the gun mia this a place on the whole what she. had been negative for so many years so be it hopeless so you spending that amount of money. being in the lead on the mend. the kid not been given like the end of the day you want to talk about the country your people are also feeling. let me come back to you because it sounds like the more we dig into this issue the more complex it appears to be so what needs to happen to resolve it if every step towards resolution compounds into

another one i think what we should admit is that we feel young people we are feeling our young people and we are continuing to feel our young people that's not that's not the kind of news i want to be putting out there because we don't have it i mean how can you leave it national project which should be responsibility of the state. sort of sponsibility use our citizens what plans have the good for the future what we do not in fact of want to ensure that in 202-020-3020 extension 35 wellness attending here. when this is happening now it's because we have feared to be a country for these people that is why they want to leave anybody who decides to die in the ocean. that's a problem you know can be disappointed our political economic system as a problem in our country how can we ensure that the young ones don't follow the same path. what is for me you know what is the solution for what can we do to ensure that we have our young people well i think leaving be

a reason why do i question is what i'm interested in why are young people wanting to leave 0.5 percent of gambia. every i want to leave that they migrate away for that is the question and we we've failed a generation will continue to feel our generation for me in as much as we have to put policy some systems in place to receive them to make sure we integrate them back into society but we should also ensure that we come up with policies proper to ensure that we rectified these whole mess because it's a mess nobody wants your citizens to be dying in the in libya in these areas. we have about 16000. my young people in germany what i'm going to do with those people . even it's going to be logistical. it's a problem ok before we get to n.y.c. just on the on the topic of reintegration as a solution to deter irregular migrants how does that work how does one become very

integrated back into their own country we have a team of reintegration assistance who is able to counsel these returning and gauge what their interests are what their skills are and. reintegration package toward what we think would work for everything you need now i think the one thing we can do more of and you know as an international organization we're always ready where we can improve a lot of this reintegration happens on an individual basis so there are questions of sustainability especially when it comes to how communities are being supported so one thing we want to do with i.o.m. is to shift reintegration to be community based what that means to develop projects for attorneys that involve the entire community to be able to ensure that other individuals who have not yet migrated irregularly can benefit as well from the project. judge or the i.o.m. has a game plan for the future. i think follows the discourse. from the start a lot of this young ones that are leaving don't have schooling don't have

a skill when they get. the medical doctor in germany or in europe. one second please we must not conflate issues we're talking about regular migrants then there must be hundreds of thousands of gambians living all across the world who are there regularly. for me good point of departure. for. the quality of education we are providing for young people be it in the. gambia to be meaningfully and. if you look at the quantity that no government is the primary employer in the convivial you have government as a primary employer is going to be a lot of unemployment so we need a government double to walk provide the environment for the private sector to thrive. or to grow on the basis of this young people i've provided to implement

that they need ok. i'm sorry we start i really have to jump in here because you're sitting on the national youth council surely there must be an agenda 420202030 things that are already in place you mean to tell me these are all discussions happening in the ether. liason i should have mentioned the government agenda in the n.d.p. just sort of dies i am out of unemployment so the government in the wrong in diverted sort of dumb who wants to use this to a minimum well i'm not going to 5 percent that has been able to provide the needed employment for the young people how to be and sort of environment is definitely conducive as a business is able to thrive and employment has been able employment is created for this young people in the long run into something that would just let me once continue to be high dependency that they would suddenly leave this country and continue to look at let me ask you know i'm not a gambian but i'm not convinced i want to ask the people standing at the back there

are you convinced of the government is working to ensure that not only our grandparents return but also the ones who are here we may come close up is. basically. not for coast if i said we be fighting to the government here because these government as we speak is a transitional government and as a transitional government it's to look more into into some kind of reforms and that's done so in addition to that also seems to 27000 up to date how many grants have we received unloads in this country it's far more than 20 times the whole population because if you talk about 1800000 you're talking about 11000000 euros you're talking about 20000000 you know support from the world bank you're talking about or that you support so basically when i report in all these forms that's one thing and another thing how can we create jobs for both who are in new country and those who are coming to join us so basically we need to. look from different

perspective those who travel how many people are in the country who are unemployed so if we are saying these people have to come back and create jobs for them then we need to redouble our efforts and we should not deport. and tally on don't know again he's repeated that cease and you know. we've been if you put it into good use we can create more jobs says the coming of this government how many new companies have received all institutions that employ more than 1000 gun we have not seen any so basically we need to walk more all right i like that we need to work more what works in your opinion and what keeps people in their homes well i think 1st of all and i think as all they are they all rightly mention people need to have a reason to stay here and we can raise awareness and share information about the dangers of the back way but if people don't have a reason or any alternative to stay in the country then our efforts will be for

nothing so i think to be fair to many actors in the gambia there are a lot of for example funded in initiatives like the youth empowerment project projects implemented by g.i. said the belgian development cooperation all working toward skills development and youth empowerment so i think it's really building that the root cause yes and i don't want to speak on behalf of these organizations not that's not mandate but i think we all need to work together with these organizations because that's what's going to create an environment which gives our youth a reason to stay in the country ok and very quickly dr i want to finish with you what do you think the gambia needs looking forward so that we're not here discussing the same thing 2 years from now would need to have an open mind all these young people have been put in so we must develop otherwise we'd be doing the same thing government cannot employ everybody but everybody is a businessman some people are good in sports in swimming in basketball in painting we need to explore all these sectors and see how we can help don't be to develop the potential so they can live in dignity if we're going to live in didn't you know

in countries we'll go and look for dignity in some other place and that is what i think about very well and that's what we're going to conclude this conversation is definitely very complex and multi mad at the beginning we asked the question what does it take to get people to stop migrating into regular so was resoundingly give them something to stay for. thank you for watching.

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