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the gallery is responsible for the highest number of people and the greats in pro capita than any other african nation and that's truly shocking if you consider the size of the population here but now a lot of young people are coming back in fact the international organization for migration estimates that on a monthly basis over 100 retired means a stepping right back into this country question is is the country prepared to take care of them and who better to ask this question for me than troll gambians and we'll begin with mr demba here he is actually one of the people who left the country as an immigrant and you decided to take the back roads known because it is that your regular way of going how was that journey for you was it worth it how long did it take just give you a little insight into what happened. judy was so hot something i took time from. at the synagogue till night and then to physically i came to my new agapit did they they couldn't. he said if you don't pay him when he was going to bring over to the

prison here in mali so many try to get that money believe me they're having a lawsuit going back to you say too difficult to punch through plus the police to. you know when you can that they would actually money if you don't bring money do would be to me on the most serious crime ok let me come are you one of the very few women actually because statistically women from the gambia don't migrate it's men who make up 97 percent of those people who are leaving and i'm curious to know as a woman if that journey was more difficult for you and if the government has been there for you since he returned is was very difficult we me i don't talk see it and i destroy a lot of money there could not need there after i get there couldn't make freeview i get the kidney problem before i am claiming i meet him there i think care of me because that then i was going there. in. that is that's was my still wish and it's

very daniel's but they are very take care of me take me to the hospital return me back to you and i thank you so a lot of gratitude being expressed particularly to i.o.m. which i find interesting what disability you are a social analyst do you think that the gambia is too heavily dependent on international organizations to solve a local problem. that's for sure because gambia does seem tough the capacity 200 this every right to depend on those international organizations international organizations i don't think they're doing well i think there's a lot of smoke screens and we do that here of course the girl is she just thanking the national youth council without them she would not speak here so these are some of the problems from the national youth council to the international organization for migration on the e.u. projects. in the success stories that didn't come but on and on billboards in the country nothing is being done here this conflict is not ready it's not able to

$103.00 tonys on the better for the international community to make sure that our young people i'm not seeing for have on look for a long term situation change on the pushing but mr somebody on here now talking about people who were forcibly treated back into their countries but these ones return voluntarily gambians where should they be taken wish will they go but they should come here what i'm saying here is under you know what's happening in libya it came about from the media because according to. the international report the european union was collaborating with disobedience to talk to an entity of all young people i'm sorry i can't allow you to say such things without backing i mean we i. mean there's fact there's no reason to raise on the international report i can send you the link you gave me a study of this stuff that is confirmed ok so some very serious accusations being leveled not just against you but international organizations that are just here for the power point presentations of the end of things here i hear effective as i aware

or any u.n. agency or any international organization our role in any country is to support the government to address its concerns and a huge part of that is as rightly mentioned perhaps 2017 there was a limited capacity on behalf of the government to manage this issue but i think at the same time it's a bit unfair to say that any intern. organization will solve the entire problem on its own expertise in a.v.r. which is assisted voluntary return and reintegration so many of these individuals. were in a situation in libya they just could not stay in it's inhumane and we believe that you mean assistance to provide to assist them in returning home and when they're home we can provide them reintegration in the form of skills training in the form of setting up a micro business but at the same time we understand that i.o.m. cannot support returning for ever and i think we all need to work together with

many different organizations to address this issue one of them being of course the national youth council the i.o.m. as his has rightly said is not here for the long haul what are your plans for people like demba and me you know 2030 years from now and for the thousands of others who still haven't reached the shores of the gambia i think. supporting but it's an international going to. us did. he have to compliment the government to force this course. and sort of government in the process not allowing this is a. very you all part of this government you are representative of government and you're speaking as though it's a foreign entity what are you doing what have you done. it's not just about government sort of government or the minister what we do is basically advice from government in terms of what i've been on. because you just provided for them

ok i don't know what has been provided you said no what has been provided is coming from i.o.m. in terms of providing them support what we want is to see examples of. coming from government to say this is what government is doing and not just continuing to say this is what i am and what i'm going to do is what is coming from so. the this question is to ensure that we work with government and we can bring out the example to see government hospital by that i mean young dollars or $10000000.00 and this is about investing in terms of supporting young people really want to continue courting to say i am a supporter or to see beyond the possible but we want to be able to say as a government this is what we have gone and we have led the process of supporting our young people and not continuing to rely ok going to support the right and let me come back to will suffice here because you know we're hearing from the n.y.c. that they have plans these are things that might happen in the future but you know

already doing something about it do you think your government has let you down. provided it is not definitely reach in damascus. people who've benefited like me. can you can you tell me tell me how you benefited through n.y.c. we've secured. you know 4 members through we've got our integration which is. not quite hard to start something but at least you've got something from them but does not you know if that's not what you think enough of almost everything most of the tonys i can see. not receiving to support us which is really neat we are also doing our best. to make sure that you put more and minds of the attorneys and makes.

at least something to hold on to ok well what i want to come back to you because you are very passionate about the issue of deportation is it's immoral for western governments to return or repack cheri young gambians back to this economic situation yeah i think it's a model of several levels i told you about the role of these various start governments that destroyed our society our culture on everything through cold colonialism. that's one part the 2nd part is the western government is very aware of the gumby particularly unique situation we came away from what they call 22 years of dictatorship country almost went into flames in december 26th in the collaboration of the international community we were able to. now the situation of the migration i don't even call it illegal migration it's been there for years i'm not seeing people should not return i'm not seeing that at all of course i know the situation in europe i know ultimately did have to come what i'm saying this whole rush to bring them back off of this problem started to be i think that's morally

wrong because you know our situation there know we had a coalition government that the coalition government right now has been torn apart they are trying to get. the economy to deal with the situation in december we don't know what's going to. be a peaceful we hope for a peaceful resolution of this potential impasse the international communication community knows this why do they want to push these young people to come here these young people have traveled they've gone through some of the boot our circumstances they've gone to some of these people have been exposed to drugs some of them have been exposed to arms so forcefully pushing these young people right now it's like. striking and much on the. dry fully with detroit ok i want to. you share the same opinion do you think it's unfair to expect. any other european nation. to hold on to your citizens until you're ready i think.

interest we have our own interest and the whole issue has been politicized to some extent securitized by politicians both in europe and also in africa. i don't think it's ready to receive all these in germany or in. italy or in the media because already we have some distress in. you have the more graphic than i make playing against the country we have like you mentioned over 40 percent unemployment we have a lot of young people doing our streets doing nothing i think what we feel to do is we have known the problem. is a big why we always focus on the economic aspects of it that are socio cultural aspects that is a problem how do you solve these problems how do we bring all these boys about without creating a cataclysmic situation in our country ok so we've been talking about deportation but i think it's important to recognize that there are those people who come back

terribly and i just want to find out from you what percentage of returning from europe and what percentage from africa so basically since 2017 has assisted in the return of over $4200.00 returnees an overwhelming majority of them are from africa the voluntary returnees from europe don't even amount to $100.00 out of. an overwhelming majority of them are from libya 3000 of those are from libya also 3000 of the. $27000.00 come are coming from libya but right now we're seeing a trend of less certainly from libya but more from the share actually so it really is along that route in africa that we're seeing most individuals opting to return home ok so coming back to you moment because most of them have not even reached the shores of when you were and they want to come back and you're saying we're not ready as a country what do they do for those in libya on the situation is very dire i think

. to bring them back but still like we've all agreed here the. most unique situation right now can't handle this none of the statements here convinced me that he is ready for this. economic level to level to be a coming back to families some of the coming a lot to get disappointed. go to these countries now coming to economics which is actually fundamentally important it's about the social stigma that will have to deal with. you when you didn't make if you're coming back we don't have a. 100 people who have mental issues we know of an issue of under 20. 1 of the institutions people with mental problems this guy killed 2 people. so these issues are so complex i'm not seeing those in libya for instance i'm saying they should be you should not come back but the international

community international organizations like i.o.m. should go beyond the billboards on the very flashy short videos the social media and come down to the level of the people and help people ok so speaking of social issues i want to come back to them because you actually told me that you lost both your parents during your time in libya and you ended up breaking your foot in fact you were telling me that it was hurting now when you came back did you have a support system where your friends good to you or did they treat you differently supporter of anybody so my only brought up my brother was supposed to me i went to him just simple as destructive sometimes i mean those supporters supporting him but still no no but i don't have support ok i want to talk to only here for a 2nd because you are recounting something horrific that you were not only kidnapped but you had kidney failure so you come back to the country did you get psychological help did you get financial help. i don't have any i have

without. i mean i have one parent without my fire maybe it's not so now you can answer but they are doing a lot for me because my daughter in gambia was they made me or 3 men it's going to be here it cannot be here i have to go to dhaka then i got to go to that that are also there me. i have to do that i says that they can help me but it's not that it's not too it meant but what is it 3 men is didn't translate blame him for show how to call it master you counsel they don't have that money to help me for that and factor here is your friend far too i also understand that you took that trip all the way did you make it to libya. also. libya. have you received any support forget even the government from your family and from your friends that they welcome you back or did they start treating you

differently no i i thank god for my family me and my friends it was the time i came back here the only people who'll give me support to survive by this time he was the ideal one who helped me to give me some more need to clarify something for myself so i'm thank god for that ok i want to come with a from our journalists here what is the attitude for the young people of ghana never left the country who then see people like me and mostafa being i would even call it showered you know because it might look that way from the outside what is the attitude of those who never left. they usually see people who are torn feel you are some of the huge for one reason is that those who succeed on cross us usually kind of what i've heard we know to us suspect people because of

how the money put themselves on social media is one of the key influence when it comes to base it on migration for example if you go to sunday today you find so many so many think because by gunmen migrants living in italy or in germany. those in my we've. got to really force them to be torn up on the 2nd bus because on the slender force and that is illegal or if it were my gruesome is the last choice of a huge concert out in the middle of the gun mia this operation on what she do you would have been negligible so many years so hopeless so you are spending that amount of money on being the lead on the mend. the kid not been a beginning of the end of the day you are returned back to the country your people are. also feeling. let me come back to you because it sounds like the more we dig

into this issue the more complex it appears to be so what needs to happen to resolve it if every step towards resolution compounds into another one i think what we should admit is that we have fairly young people we have feeling our young people and we are continuing to feel our young people that's not the kind of news i want to be putting out there because we don't have it i mean how can you get national project which should be responsibility of the state. sort of sponsibility use our citizens what problems have we good for the future what are we doing not in front of what to ensure that in 202-020-3020 extension 351 of the timing here again talking about the same issues when this is happening now it's because we have feared to be a country for these people that is why do you want to leave anybody who decides to die in the ocean in your own that's a problem you know can be that's a quote that our political economic system as a problem in our country how can we ensure that the young ones don't follow the

same path. what is for me you know what is the solution for what can we do to ensure that we have our young people well i think leaving be a reason why do i question is what i'm interested in why are young people wanting to leave 0.5 percent of gambia. everyday i want to leave that they migrate away for that is the question and we will fail to generation will continue to feel our generation for me in as much as we have to put policy some systems in place to receive them to make sure we integrate them back into society but we should also ensure that we come up with policies proper to ensure that we rectified these whole mess because it's a mess nobody wants your citizens to be dying in this in libya in these areas. we have about 16000. young people in germany what are you going to do with those people we're going to bring them back like that even it's going to be a logistical nightmare for the $16000.00 but it's

a problem ok before we get to n.y.c. just on the call on the topic of reintegration as a solution to deter irregular migrants how does that work how does one become reintegrated back into their own country we have a team of reintegration assistants who is able to counsel these are 3 nice and gauge what their interests are what their skills are and reintegration package toward what we think would work for eternity now i think the one thing we can do more of and you know as an international organization we're always ready where we can improve a lot of this reintegration happens on an individual basis so there are questions of sustainability especially when it comes to how communities are being supported so one thing we want to do with i.o.m. is to shift reintegration to be community based what that means is to develop projects for attorneys that involve the entire community to be built so we can ensure that other individuals who have not yet migrated irregularly can benefit as well from these projects. judger the i.o.m.

has a game plan for the future what. i think follows the discourse one is from the start a lot of this young ones that are leaving the schooling don't have a skill when they get. the medical doctor in germany or in europe wouldn't be. gumby on. one second because we must not conflate issues we're talking about irregular migrants then there must be hundreds of thousands of gambia living all across the world who are there regularly. for me to point of departure. for. the quality of education we are providing for young people in the. gambia to be meaningful and. if you look at the quantity that no government is the primary employer in the convivial you have government as a primary employer is going to be a lot of unemployment so we need

a government that provide the environment for the private sector to thrive. in the business of this young people i've provided implement that they need ok. i'm sorry we started i really have to jump in here because you're sitting on the national youth council surely there must be an agenda 420202030 things that are already in place you mean to tell me these are all discussions happening in the ether. that's and i should have mentioned the government's agenda in the n.d.p. and sort of guys i had a month of unemployment so the government in the wrong in diverted saddam once did use this well i'm just going to 5 percent that has been able to provide the needed employment for the young people how do you answer that environment is definitely conducive said that i said business is able to thrive and employment has been able employment is created for this young people in the long run will be something that will stay above who let me once we have continued to be high dependency that would

suddenly leave this country and continue to look at let me ask you know i'm not a gambian but i'm not convinced i want to ask the people standing at the back there are you convince of the government is working to ensure that not only are you going to be as we turn but also the ones who are here every day come close up is. basically. not for coast if i said we be fighting to the government here because these government as we speak is a transitional government and as a transitional government it's a look. into into some kind of reforms and that's done so in addition to that also seems to 27000 up to date how many grants have we received unloads in this country it's far more than 20 times the whole population because if you talk about 1800000 you're talking about 11000000 euros you're talking about 20000000 you know support from the world bank you're talking about or that you support so basically when i report. that's one thing and not acting how can we create jobs

for both who are in new country and those who are coming to join us so basically we need to. look from different perspective those who travel how many people are in the country who are unemployed so if we are saying these people have to come back and create jobs for them then we need to redouble our efforts and we should not deport. and tally on don't know again he's repeated that cease and you know. if you put it into good use we can create more jobs says the coming of these government how many new companies have we see all institutions that employ more than 1000 gum yes we have not seen any so basically we need to walk more all right i like that we need to work more what works in your opinion what keeps people in their homes well i think 1st of all and i think as all they are they all rightly mentioned people need to have

a reason to stay here and we can raise awareness and share information about the dangers of the back way but if people don't have a reason or any alternative to stay in the country then our efforts will be for nothing so i think to be fair to many actors in the gambia there are a lot of for example funded in initiatives like the youth empowerment project projects implemented by g.i. said the belgian development cooperation all working toward skills development and youth empowerment so i think it's really building that the root causes and i don't want to speak on behalf of these organizations not that's not iowans mandate but i think we all need to work together with these organizations because that's what's going to create an environment which gives our youth a reason to stay in the country ok and very quickly dr i want to finish with you what do you think the gambia needs looking forward so that we're not discussing the same thing 2 years from now would need to have an open mind all these young people have skills and put in so we must develop otherwise we'd be doing the same thing government cannot employ everybody but everybody is a businessman some people are going in sports in swimming in bus could well in

painting we need to explore all these sectors and see how we can help don't be to develop the potential so they can live in dignity to live in the you know in countries will go and look for dignity in some other place and that is what i think about very well and that's where we're going to conclude this conversation is definitely very complex and multi ned at the beginning we asked the question what does it take to get people to stop migrating irregular and so was resoundingly give them something to stay for. thank you for watching.

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