many needs in the 21st century 5 g. tech and energy pipelines hardware and natural gas there for the taking but at what price the united states is sounding the alarm warning the german chancellor of russian and chinese trojan horses in europe tonight when does a good business deal become a political deal with the devil i'm bored golf in berlin this is the day. witness and all the developments in the u.s. and it's not ok you to nordstrom to is not a political project but a purely economic ones they wish to play in your judgment if russia completes the north stream to pipeline what would the effect be for russia for europe and for the united states very negative i say delicious excision unfortunately the us has

always been against cooperation on energy with europe still doable to. be frank it will strengthen russia and weaken europe and we impose extraterritorial sanctions wait and see how to go forward with north stream. also coming up the risks in the pipeline and the risks in the network an exclusive interview with the head of china's 5 g. giant who way he says there's every reason to trust his company can the state of china force you to give information which you would be able to collect for example in germany now while we are one way has never received any such requests. to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world welcome we begin the day with threats coming from china. and the united states aimed directly at germany the trump

administration has spent most of this year warning the german government not to trust the chinese company who way way is a global giant in 5 g. equipment the equipment that germany needs to roll out a faster network to make the internet of things a reality the u.s. says who away could be selling spy was hidden in its hardware but the german chancellor so far has resisted pressure and rejected any ban here is what she said today by not neat we shouldn't take to exclude a company from the process but we shouldn't be blind we have to be aware of trust issues to deal with. merkel is obviously walking a tight rope in 2016 china surpassed the u.s. is germany's biggest trading partner and that gives china valuable leverage just a few days ago the chinese ambassador here in berlin threatened retaliation if poor

way is banned well threats they come more easily and more quickly than trust in an exclusive interview w.'s in his poll spoke with the man at the top of her way she asked him about tech and trust more and more governments really expressing openly their concerns when it comes to trustworthiness and its pure knowledge regarding why specially when they're talking about building or when you want to build the 5 g. net there now which is the power that you guys or pain has for 5 g. the world is now attaching more and more importance to it thanks to the hype from the us just a while when the truth is that while waiting is leading in 5 g. because we began investing heavily early on giving us competitive advantages in 5 g. technologies products and solutions. which in the time can would you choose for what's happening in the change of funding people all around the world say how can we trust

a company which can be forced by law to deliver information to the state. now we shall we will help wow it was made what i'd seen 1st and while way complies with all local laws and regulations in every country and region where we operate. camejo really need they need a home 2nd incident while way only provides equipment and does not participate in network operations so we have no access to user data how you want to i mean i believe different countries and regions are capable of managing their cyber security and data protection concerns on their own youth and it was a while one by one i'm sure. so we've. seen a trickle down 3rd while waiting has made cyber security and privacy protection our top priorities will we are regarded as the foundation of our business operations throughout the entire process from product design and manufacturing is to service provisioning. time to sue and she says it's all

a woman can cope with and in that can the state of china force you to give information which you would be able to collect for example in germany now while we are one way has never received any such requests during our operations over the past years and even if we received such requests in the future we would not agree to them without any lawful requests so we won't do anything which will now one mention pool which is what i was. all right for more i'm joined tonight at the big table by verdi he's a member of the german parliament for the social democrats and he is a supporter of banning who good to have you on the show i want to ask you what do you hear when the head of who way tells us that his company is committed to privacy and data protection but actually i believe it's not about his company's trustworthiness it's not describing what is but what the relationship between them and their government is is he not being honest with us then about the power word

that beijing could potentially have over his company i don't know about honesty and i've talked to so many representatives from who in the last weeks or so. i trust them personally it's not a personal distrust not even connected to that company itself but in the system the system where this company has grown and which is based now on this is the people's republic of china and obviously the government there can get involved any time they choose to how then do you explain the german chancellor's stance she said today that she's not aware of any pressure from china. we know the ambassador you know has said in very clear terms that if you ban who are away there will be consequences whether always consequences i don't see that is threatening or anything we are building on our sovereignty. through technology so it's digital

sovereignty within europe i think europe has to be included because the 5 g. project is too big for just one member state of the you can use that we try to build something but it's about sovereignty and then it means we cannot rely on not trustworthy suppliers it's that easy and you felt as a german lawmaker have you felt pressure from china or from who way no no no it was it was a tough argument though to try to to to convince that this is the correct and right company and that it's not worse than any other company and who was making that argument to you of course and i believe in the point it's not the company itself it is their relationship to the chinese government or the potential relationship in the future what do they say i mean i'm sure you've events them about that relationship what do they say about what the influence is not taking place today. and that's basically the basic line and the question isn't whether it's happening today i trust them on that one more or less you know but the future is open and the

future is open not in any technology but in the most it's just strategically seen the most important technology of the 21st century as we know the 5 g. will change everything and it was society so you cannot rely on something that might work in the future you have to be sure it has to was last week the spanish mobile phone company telefonica became the 1st company to say yes to who wave and when i just show our viewers here they sent a letter to all members of the german parliament and it had the headline banning who way you could set the network rollout in germany backed by yours i mean that's some pretty hard and heavy lobbying right. they're i mean do you feel like you have been have you been lobbied or has it been war i don't want to say something threat but has it been strong or me that's been taking place with german lawmakers i don't know what you're talking about that's not tough loving that's the

daily life and berlin so no and that's a argument we don't we don't share it and that's that said we set aside to the community to the supplier community that this is at stake in the german debate right now is that they should not rely on the trustworthiness on the law. concerning why so they are taking their decisions and we're taking ours it's a pretty normal game there has been no pressure no no crazy arguments we are just concerned about the future relationship of the chinese government to a china based high tech company there was there was some controversy within this coalition government about this and it seems that solidarity has been failed. among the social democrats and the c.d.u. what what was the catalyst for that. i don't i'm not sure whether this is a regular common issue between the parties i think it is something new because

technology is a big part of it and politics as well so it's it was a little complicated to get those 2 together technology wisdom and political strategy and it took us all a little time so social democrats are formally faster now but i'm pretty sure the that our conservative coalition partner they will come up with a with a solution to that pretty fast because we need it fast because investments have to be made right would you would you say that tonight that you and your christian democrat friends in parliament are you at odds with the chancellor on this i think at the end the good arguments for the digital sovereignty of this country of germany and the opinion. we will prevail it's that easy i'm very convinced that at the end we will have a rule of trustworthiness in our law and on national telecommunications bill that will rule out companies that are based in countries where the government could get

into the business of their of their companies so you expect the chance of that change of mind i'm not talking about that i'm just a making a suggestion what the end of the bill will be no not what the chancellor will think 5 g. is just one of 2 flashpoints here there's also the natural gas pipeline from russia to germany known as nord stream to the u.s. is threatening sanctions if that pipeline goes online here is miracle again playing the eternal diplomat when she has to deal with policies of donald trump take a look. even x. come to me have you known been against extraterritorial factions we have the same problem with iran in my opinion the only solution is to hold talks and very decisive talks with against letting these extra territorial sanctions take effect. when they can so what mr o'grady are you preparing for sanctions. me personally

know well i mean germany you know but the ones that are building the pipeline probably yes ok i want to expand the story across the atlantic we're joined now by andrew adair he's a lawyer and a political consultant based here in berlin and washington he joins us from our studio in the u.s. capitol tonight angie you've been listening to this discussion about china and russia and germany give us their take the temperature of force in washington at the moment what are they saying in washington about what's happening right here in europe. well brant in terms of the north stream issue that you just raised. there is a bill now on the president's desk that requires him requires the administration to impose sanctions on the ship building company that is completing the pipeline so they're really if congress has basically thrown

a hail mary pass a if you will at the very last minute to try to disrupt this pipeline and they've made it a mandatory sanctions so it's really the ball is really in the president's court to push forward on that it's really the question is how soon will he sign the bill and then after he signs it how soon will the administration act that timing is key because this pipeline is almost completed and now we're talking about possible sanctions the top administration is really taking its own sweet time on this issue what does that. well it's interesting you know that this is an issue that congress is completely aligned on it's almost almost unanimous they want to disrupt this pipeline and nominally it is the position of the trumpet ministration to to be against the pipeline as well as you mention brant down from himself has made a lot of noise this year including in some conversations with chancellor merkel

investor cornelis made a lot of noise about it but they have not actually pulled the trigger on sanctions so this is a ratcheting up if you will of the pressure to of congress saying mr president it's time is up do the sanctions but he still could. drag his heels it's possible so is there still is some uncertainty there about whether he will indeed move forward mr video with 2 of our viewers know you're a member of the german u.s. parliamentary friendship group you spend a lot of time in the united states what where do you think. transatlantic relations are headed considering what we're talking about tonight the role of china the role of russia getting in between ties between the u.s. in germany i don't know the north to issue is a big one so it has been with us for a long time know the hell mary pass as i understood this coming at 200 miles before

being finished yet it isn't like there was no you know so i would say. we oppose those sanctions of course we are allies we are friends so you don't put extra tauriel sanctions as the chancellor said on your partners and allies or you just don't do that that's not a very constructive way to deal with each other i think there has been an issue about it not only between the united states and germany but also within germany there have been several approaches to that but now that the project comes to an end we have to be the ones on the side of the table that are making the right decisions for the future relationships not only between the united states. but germany also poland ukraine so there's more at stake about the relationship on the european continent and. in the united states of course let me just ask you to what do you advise your client. is to do with the business of the political environment being the way it is right now well say this i don't have any

clients in this on the specific issue but if i were advising all scenes which is the name of the company building the pipeline you know i would tell them to get in front of the administration as quickly as possible and if i had to guess you know all cs is the owner is a billionaire from from holland and if i had to guess he has people talking to the administration right now to try to cool things down but on the flipside you know senator cruz who is the sponsor of the bill wrote a letter to the c.e.o. of all seeds today basically saying as soon as this bill is signed into law you're out of compliance and you are subject to sanctions so it's a it's a it's a hot topic yeah it'll be interesting to see when the president signs legislation if you see that this week you think the sanctions will come senator cruz announced today that the president will sign it this week so expect it to be signed this week

right and you were there in washington. number of the german parliament here at the big table with me gentlemen to both of you thank you we appreciate it thank you so much thank you. well the european parliament's top accolade the annual soccer world prize for freedom of thought has been given to weaker human rights activists toti the award was handed over in the european parliament in strasbourg to his daughter because told he couldn't be there he's currently serving a life sentence in prison in china on charges of quote separatism before his imprisonment 2014 tony worked for more than 2 decades to improve the rights of the persecuted weaker minority. ilham tohti hasn't been seen in public for years this footage was filmed before he was jailed his fight for the rights of china's predominantly muslim minority cost him his freedom for years he drew

attention to the suffering of the weekers they restricted access to education in the labor market and the suppression of their language religion and culture. they will get the idea there's no representative for us no newspaper of our own presence about what can ordinary people do when they meet injustice when you know some of them will find in resistance come up in 2006 tohti himself wieder founded the internet portal weaker online to highlight the plight of the ethnic group the chinese authorities blocked the website repeatedly in $21430.00 was put on trial charged with separatism the former economics professor was found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment in october the european parliament awarded toti the sachar off human rights prize describing him as a voice of moderation and re conciliation. yeah but then your sack out of the parliament has decided to award the zakat of prize for freedom of thought to talk.

he has done much to improve understanding between leaders in the han ethnic group in china that has been put in prison for life. in the european parliament expresses its full support for his work and wishes him to be released immediately by the chinese authorities immediately i mean. she is. his arrest in 2014 was seen as a sign of a crackdown by china's communist party since then reports of so-called re-education camps have surfaced x. prisoners speak of torture forced labor and mass rape around 1000000 weekers are thought to be detained in these camps. except these sakharov crimes on her father's behalf today there were you spoke to her head of the ceremony.

when was the last time you heard from your father do you have any idea how he's doing now. the last time i saw my father in person what was 2013 and the last time i talked to my father was 2014 the last time i heard my father was to 71 which was also the last time my family was able to visit him and that was also the time when. exploded. unfortunately i do not know how my father is doing i do not know if he is still being locked up in the same prison i don't know if he is doing ok physically mentally i don't even know if he is still alive so your father who told he was awarded the prize by the european parliament this sends a strong message of solidarity but will this be enough what does it need for

international pressure to make a change. letting the younger. being educated of what is going on helping those international chinese students or chinese international students to gain awareness of what is going on inside their own country because many chinese government many chinese students have no idea this is happening to that we were community and with the chinese public and the news of propaganda videos a lot of them have no idea this is happening and they sometimes would blame us for overreacting given which i feel very it's pathetic. and also putting sanctions on those companies who support the concentration camp who are. importing as exporting from those concentration camps and also putting these restrictions on government chinese government officials who are supporting or who

have helped making the decisions for the common concentration camp could also be a very helpful helpful way so i'm thank you very much for talking to you thank you . music can be a powerful force in people's lives tonight a song of inspiration from mexico a chorus of one committed teacher generous donors and dedicated children in unison they've used the universal language to lift the spirits of people living in poverty and orchestra for children who were never given the chance. it's the moment just before the performance when excitement replaces nerves and the audience waits expectantly. this is rosie collins favorite moment but her journey here has been anything but easy. but i mean for me music saved

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was the speech of his life perhaps his best certainly his most difficult chancellor helmut kohl addresses the people of east germany shortly after the fall of the wall. the crowd clamors for. journalist peter lim borg was at the scene. 30 years later he looks back on the tightrope act in dresden. 35 minutes not. 50 years of religions for peace and so many different things all working together toward a common goal of peaceful resolution of religious conflicts. now female members of religions for peace from the middle east are demanding a larger. outcome

a ground is empowering women giving them the rule nagin then agent of change to. the female peacemakers stores january 5th column titled a. look trying to have its own wall lol what you've read about the minds of most of people all the truly come over treaties are a minefield a little doesn't ration care of it it's not all law and order very much at stake in hong kong china's recent celebrations for its 70th anniversary weren't quite the public relations triumph they were supposed to be not with continuing protests in hong kong.