every journey begins with the 1st step and every language but the 1st word 1st in the. rico is in germany to learn german why not with simple online on your mobile and free to shop d w e learning course nico speak german see. this week on the 77 percent street debate. oh. yeah always invest i mean we should know to avoid any cost they will come to eat their money and if they've contributed $100.00 so then and they can therefore it is not good for if they're going to be into the community to make sure that the money is finished. but i go there really really angry white white house me for your happiness.

how much should one spend on a wedding well here in tanzania the answer could be as much as it takes and the cost of that could be super high including costing people their marriages and their lives but why is it that in this particular country it seems that it is debt that is holding people together we're going to find out from my lovely panel here and we'll begin with doyle who actually you got married 2 months ago so how high is the cost of weddings in this country have been a divorce i don't know because everybody maybe have gone by you by my own marriage almost see the 15000 dollars yes 15000 dollars ok i'm not married and i've never. been to my wedding but is this the average cost of weddings $15000.00. no no. it's not the average it's not the minimum it's not the maximum because i had the

range of which meant the ceremonies right now it could go even twice or thrice even 4 times that for just to pay for event what you. call just the venue ok so golden godfrey is actually an event organizer dealing a lot with wedding so these are hard figures that you can give us ok there's a lady who had lifted her hand at the back please come and speak to me. ok good evening the trees well i can be like a good example because from september i had my bro's wedding it coasted along like the 84000000 or so around the same price that know a yard on there is going to be like $25.00. dollars well the big issue in the big towns onions are different they're very hospitality and we go this sharing thing so when my bro came 1st with his wife the god they got certain background they come from so they had to announce the farming then we had to the 2

of us like me and my other big bro in the parlance we had to sit down and calculate like how much does the farm has to contribute then the the friends there the end we have not to say to the poverty but moreover before the wedding there were the wife the bright she has also to be done certain. the kitchen parties the bride from home to hear well from the chagga tribe from cream and jarrow sore we have a lot of tradition you have to go with a blanket you have to go because of beers you have to go with them the but not no schools we have bananas so they end of each you find a lot of pressure they are getting after the wedding for sure my sister in law got sick on her honeymoon 2nd there were no honeymoon she got sick a lot of money goes to the 1st to the venues venues here are very costly then we go maybe to the m c u 2 coast so i go and see those i am seeing here he will be

a very good example ok so let me ask the mc because you've mentioned him by the way muslim is a very very popular mc here in tanzania when he walked in everybody oh and he was. was he expensive yes. i'm ok so he's good and he's expensive but it's all right if you can afford him you hire him but i wanted to find out from you have you seen the trends change over the years a weddings becoming bigger and bigger even and people are getting poorer and poorer . than when there was a moment when you know you. see too often as. you want to get me on the phone you know up. early how are you sitting in a fine port. you know what you're. going to. run when it's costing or going to who want to give in to what you know.

what you get on which and here give me enough and you know are peace. and human at the same give us examples of when the course is a fine idea as it will ponder was about. to know when you're going up on a big who. really. was. using. his was upon it you yes but even with the high costs people are still getting married soon. so how many weddings on average are you and seeing in a month just so that we get an idea of the turnover. maybe 8 yes one man 8 weddings wow so alex and your soon to be wife you are in the process of trying to prepare for a wedding what are some of the difficulties the 2 experiencing financially or what these shocking ones are. but you know isn't it

a similar. when there is no and it is not. upon a. time before numa there was a way to. me. as a savior when i. was about will be one. no one. morning. ok i know i don't want to come to you understood because we're hearing from alex that this is not new weddings have always been expensive so what is the main difference between past generations and this one. should just say the previous generation

didn't have a lot of. globalization so they didn't know a lot of. happening in other places but this generation my friend with technology so people west yeah i saw a wedding of my friend with these maybe he had a wedding planner and i also want to have their wedding planner but we forget that we come from different backgrounds and we're in a country where this begin equality should say yeah the people we're having and the people have. like we have over 26 percent of people living under the poverty line and so many people in the media. when you say like someone gets sick for 2 days we're for. people who are coping because they see a lot on instagram and facebook yes so so so you're saying that people are looking for a sort of lifestyle or a picture that you know for their weddings just go we're calling you the professional committee member attendee because part of these weddings are funded

from contributions from friends can you explain how this works. well i think high cost weddings are not a problem if you can afford them i mean you feel you have enough money you can't organize even a wedding that costs 100000000 but once you have to go out and ask for help from your colleagues from your family members then it becomes there by then because then everybody has to go out of the way to like more money to but but why does everyone have to go out of their way why don't you just say to your friend i'm sorry i don't have money well there's this thing in africa especially intense anea like i cannot say no to your face so even if i mean no like deep down but i'll just have to like you know say yeah impress you but still at the end of the day some people would still like promise they'll contribute let's say $300.00 and end up contributing even less so then it becomes

a struggle people have to see this crack their heads every now and then needs you know take the budgets down just this and that it's a problem. so let me introduce another gentleman here kenneth because my question is why get married at all then why have a wedding why not just have a customary relationship as happens in most african countries i think it's kind of prestigious because they were doing this is was for a way was to marry until you die ok so it was a process by has grown so we need to grab that prestigious without after 30. years of. yeah when do you try to flush. the gist of that moment yes we did our best this is their wedding we wanted so for you it actually forms a part of your legacy as a couple and you were telling me earlier that you were actually in an engagement but because of financial difficulties you want able to go through with the wedding

can you talk to me about that they want to which is before was not a problem because you know. the was. because you know back then it was just that. stage ok then after finishing the college you know they've been i was a bit shop shop so i need to find a new can fit my philosophy in my life instead of yes that's. a bit late to the maori ok can somebody explain to me which one is more important is it the wedding or is it the marriage let me speak to sebastian by the way sebastian and anastasio are a couple and today is there a new best series yeah thank you. for choosing to spend it here debating so in your 9 years of marriage do you feel that 1st of all did you get pressure for the wedding is what we're hearing here reflective of what you experienced absolutely

you know 1st of all waiting is a product of the network you hope and the income of the cup. if you take it out of that it's a problem so if you don't have enough network don't expect to have a lot of support and if you're copying from someone else that you want to make this lifestyle or a marriage of a particular style then of course you have a trouble and this is what has happened many people across normal it's supposed to be by your own cost but if you are you cannot do that you go to the nearby network and you ask like give me support so if you go to a parent and say hey daddy and mommy i want to marry and i don't have enough money please prepare for me a wedding of course they're called their friends and this friends of contribute they'll make 100000000 wedding and from there they will start asking you to contribute back to their family and this is the biggest problem that i call it a liability of the family because after your wedding you start receiving calls come to this committee come to this pay this whatever contribution because we did this

for you and some of this member you don't even know them but you cannot start doing contributions somebody that you have never seen before and they have so many kids come in come in come in by the time you start demanding the same is what your network it was what it is and i thought ok so so far we have established that weddings are important for legacy for cultural reasons and also this thing you think it's insurance so just you're paying insurance very well which means you expect people to pay for congratulations festival on your pregnancy so when you have your baby those people whose committees you attended will they show up for you what do you expect that they will well. first of all i don't even remember i like most of them now because you know sometimes just a friend calls in and say just because i can you be part of the committee because you are like chumming and stuff so sometimes you don't even have a close relationship with the pope so i don't i don't expect them to even be part

of my daughter's well being oh my baby shower or anything. so right after my wedding i had received so many invite ition cards to attend you know so many wedding committees and my mom would tell me these people supported us they were part of your wedding comedians and some of them i don't even know them so i just end up contributing just because they're way a part of my of my of my committee so it's time consuming 1st of all because then you have so many people from different places inviting you every saturday for me to see that would take maybe 2 hours or 3 hours and i feel like it's it's it's a bad and it's a button to everybody who is invited to contribute and i'd like to go back to noel because i want to ask you do you feel that you put your friends through a burden by asking them to contribute to your wedding. different soon or because you know according to our culture. we've turned them so helping each other i want

they contributed to you also you're supposed to pay back as one of my college to say maybe the but is coming to my side because the process of marriage needs in lots of money don't forget about the door young turns on a brother i mean the price of we're going to pay back to the parents of the woman the money is very big they can tell you to give you to meet rose. being seen or blankets of the parents the congo stands in the us needs money so we're not supposed to think about that but then the friends also you as the one was meant to marry beer is a big but then you are left because of the culture and traditions we hear when tongues on the ok so the wedding day is just the tip of the iceberg but before that there is dollar we that needs to be paid there all these ceremonies that we talked about and it's just a let me come back to you the simple answer for why i have weddings

a toll if you can't afford it and if it puts people in debt yeah it's indeed a challenge because if you want to show up to someone's waiting people and show up when yours and if you want to invite people to contribute for you know their way to like blame you and if you just say to do a customer thing they will see you as someone who is not. yet no socialist even lazy yeah but also might be the one who really say so like you and they think oh you're just leaving without getting married so that's a problem but again. it's also the issue that your parents all your relatives would want to show off to the france because they have been contributing to others and at the end of the day even the contribution that comes you won't even enjoy that money yet because they get you they will come to eat their money and if they've contributed a 100 so then in they come their food is not good they will complain forever what do you mean so they contribute and they expect the wedding to. at a certain level they contribute and they expect to eat to drink so if you want put

the away they contributed there are about like $100.00 my friend there complain for ever so everywhere you're going there will be showing no fingers that we can you see ikea we didn't enjoy his or her wedding yes well you like have to leave impressed them to eat their own money that they've contributed so you are getting nothing out of that you money but at the end of the day you have lived with that yet because you have to borrow sometimes people borrowed wrists i have seen so many people borrowing dresses in their wedding dress shops like this what you will have a very big body and sometimes you will fight in your yeah your marriage you have to fight yeah yeah so this is what it is. all right i'd like to bring the man of the cloth because i saw you in the background. being a person who deals with a lot of married couples an event coming back to you after the wedding to say i passed or beside me we need help or it's affecting their marriage some more to go to honeymoon just go to friends in

a village and. i joke with my friends not they go to crawl you because they have spent a lot of money then they come back they say father you know now. i need to prepare. money for. my be my 1st. in my life i would like to have a house so let me invite the people to just answer a question for me do you know of couples or have you lost friends because you did contributes a certain amount of money oh ok talk to me about well i think about wedding here in africa mostly design here is that people are afraid to lose this cycle that they have like if you don't commit to contribute for me that i won't contribute i mean if you're going to be for me that means i will never contribute for you so this is how it works so as i can say i've lost too many friends more than one and

one and i still have debts and have to pay the wedding ceremonies you know own wedding oh then. i have like 3 friends who are going to be getting married one from november 1 december another the from i mean in february but how i can see i have an employment i mean to bring your a bed i don't and a lot that i can contribute but also i did my friends to support me as a premier so the problem is people are afraid to lose the sake of that they have they think that if i want to contribute then i lose them so it's very much a quid pro quo is a similar to your experience you said you lost friends too yeah it is you know like you think as many are waking up right now they do not want to have weddings that they cannot afford but we have our parents there will tell you that you must have this wedding because i contributed to 50 weddings and yeah they have to contribute to your wedding as well but in the end of the day what we don't realize is we have

people are telling our wedding with our folded heart that i'm coming i contributed i didn't want to do that sometimes i contribute but i go there really really angry and why do i have to pay for your happiness and so things of the same sort so like that question alex let me come back to you because you're the one who is currently planning your wedding good luck by the way based on what everyone is saying are you feeling pressure from your parents to hold as a specific kind of wedding. yeah iniquity. new in a place. in a tad you. know special comments on what if i'm there once and when you get. under seclusion of wind and even if you've never ended up when you. anyone here who experience pressure from their parents in terms of ok i experience

a challenge this morning before leaving for work i got a phone call and setting goals calling me and they say a better listen. we need something like 5050 dollars and some like 120000 pounds in shillings then i said who are you you say i'm he does friend i came to your wedding you see that challenge the pressure that the putting on you they contributed to your wedding so you need to to do something about it so these challenges are there yes i think thank you we've articulated the problems very well i just want to find out how do people end up paying for these debts golden. yes. that it's an endless well that it's unless they're always endless and. payment could be others i give explained that if you pay i mean if you contribute to someone's wedding you are committing them to contribute to us so from my perspective a client might come and if she comes or he comes with family friends or.

uncles and aunties and they contribute personally their you should know that you should expect that they're putting an expectation to them and they show that i am committing to this so that it gets done so that when my child or i get wed you're supposed to commit the same ending expects that do we contribute as much to education health care or is it just exclusive. this is a very interesting topic because some people thought they were the they're putting pressure to the wedding 1st of all they want to specifically worry they are not ready to hear from you or from in about us anything that does not relate to the celebration there weren't going to be the only things that they are sure they're going to eat they're going to spend the money they're going to be into the community to make sure that the money is finished people are not being are you agreeing ok so when it come to the important issue like a school fees somebody is sick nobody is actually putting pain to that ok so

please let me come to you. ok things we have to know that we all reveal in the community that to save something from us when it comes to marriage it is a celebration so you should know what a void it anymore regardless of how courts full it is gutless how how much you have cut. to our wedding. we should not skip it but also something we heard less of where they put you in debt you say. i mean we should note avoid any cost. yes please. in talking about the whole estate you can avoid it because it's not sort of the people making the marriage even the poor people that make the marriage so that's how we perceive how you manage to be reading so much of it depends on. its request to for example taking the number of the village people also they make

the marriage and they say. they have the wedding ceremony let's not say the they didn't know what he said that money is high cost and all the prepared budget is simple budget and that they don't say business hotness you think people who are getting into debt are just being unreasonable yeah. ok now i want to find out how we stop this cycle i mean for somebody the gentleman at the back the old you have a nice already let's come to you. all right now speaking about my marriage and where he. is spirit is spirit. how people contribute if you want people to contribute to minister to give somebody a future so if you want to treat the races maybe it's simple you can you can actually do it for this is myself i'm going to have it i'm going to have a wedding so i'm trying to make it to simple so as i don't want people to contribute so i can control myself and then. people really come with it and then after that they want contribution ok so there is

a hack i don't know if you heard it from the back you saying he's going to have a small wedding that will people will contribute less and he will be asked for less in the future. yes what i think what we suggest to clients because our culture weddings are important debts is no one's culture though yes that's why we act wise with it we form our clients to choose wisely to be quite they need to sort and to compromise on the things that i necessary ok. so what is best to go is no income how much you have prepare a simple wedding with your closest friend and the. closest relatives and you can do as affordable as your income so the problem is that somebody has to start contributing to somebody because you expecting people to contribute and you will keep waiting because he doesn't know if it's enough for him if he and i was there waiting can i have 2 more please because we have to who yes. ok

so on my name is alan rahim so i believe a simple solution is not to give in to peer pressure because basically this type of wedding day that christianity readings from muslim weddings which most of the time one course more than $250.00 but if you had to do things they involve the venue's and not expensive clothes that's just falling to peer pressure but then people like my saying here might not have a job if everybody decides to do that raise the balance no i want i'm saying is if you can afford to do it then that's ok but if you can afford to you don't have to fall into peer pressure because what you see everybody is doing is they're trying to compete i want to have a bit a wedding and the last person they can see this couple have lasted for 9 years but the wedding was very simple so you don't have to give in to peer pressure and get into expensive debts just because you could have a wedding that doesn't even give up the best experience you can have ok and the final question is going to go to the man who said weddings are on hold at the moment after listening to this conversation do you think you will have a wedding in the future. not in the near future but in the future yes. ok and

that's how we wrap up this debate i think we can all agree that we've learned a lot this is quite a bit of fun thank you so much for watching. pissed

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