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from politics to fashion from housing to include this is where if you are. welcome to the 77 percent. this weekend on the w.b. and. hello today via in islamabad the capital of pakistan to talk to prime minister imran khan since decades pakistan and india are stuck in a tense stand of about the region and kushner pakistan also neighbors iran is now in a violent conflict with the united states and becoming the epicenter of an increasingly volatile middle east tensions facing threats from inside and
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outside what mr khan's plans. all of the. sudden you were reluctant for us to lose me. mr prime minister your dog must be one of the most complicated in the world i mean there is your relationships with the united states there's china who really wants to invest here but the more they invest in your relationships with the united states might become even a little bit more complicated then you have iran afghanistan before you joined politics you have had such a fantastic life why do you do that to yourself. so few questions let me start firstly i came into politics because i felt that pakistan. has tremendous potential always had tremendous potential when we were
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growing up by just one was the fastest growing country nation it pakistan was a role model for development in the sixty's so we lost our way and my whole objective of coming into politics was that we wanted pakistan to achieve its potential and it has huge potential now your 1st question that. we live in a tough neighborhood we have issues balancing act because. we have for instance saudi arabia which is one of pakistan's creators friends always been a friend in need for us and then we have iran which is a neighbor and we have always had good relationship with iran so the conflict between saudi arabia and iran is something which. which for pakistan would be disastrous if it. went into some sort of military conflict
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so so we are trying our best to make sure that these 21 neighbor and one friend do not things do not deteriorate amongst them things do not actually lead to a conflict. and as it is the street and cannot afford another conflict the other is of understand by christan is doing its best for peace in afghanistan of one is there is one country which has suffered in the last 40 years and just purely on a humanitarian basis apart from of understand being our neighbor we pray for this be still to take place between the taleban and the americans and the a foreign government so finally the would be peace that the biggest problem right now is india. i'd like to catch up on that i mean we were nearly facing a war last year and ever since prime minister modi script this special status for
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indian administrate kushner last august it's getting even more tense what is your government doing or planning to defuse this tensions with new delhi. look i was the 1st. political leader to warn the world about what has happened india india has been taken over by an extremist a racially extremist exclusive ideology which is called hindu. the ideology stems from r.s.s. r.s.s. was born in $1025.00 a model that it's parisian was the nazi party in germany the founding fathers of r.s.s. believed in the nazi ideology of racial supreme superiority and just as the nazi ideology was built on hatred for another
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minority similarly the r.s.s. ideology is based on hatred for muslims and other minorities christians as well so therefore i warn the world that this is it it is a tragedy for india and i think for its neighbors that india has been taken over by this r.s.s. ideology which by the way 3 times was banned in india as a terrorist organization the r.s.s. assassinated the great gandhi so. a nuclear armed country of 1300000000 people is in the hands of extremists and so not only are people of india going to suffer and they're already suffering their rights and their demonstrations but kashmir. to be specific $8000000.00 kashmiris now for over 5 months are in
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a state of siege and it's because of the artist's ideology which are believes that only india belongs to hindus other minorities are inferior what does that mean for you i mean how can you handle that conflict do you try to talk to modi what are you doing. well when i 1st became the prime minister i made every effort to talk to the indian government prime minister the moody. my 1st speech i said you come one step towards us we'll come to towards you that we can resolve all our differences through dialogue. but it soon transpired that there was a recent why india was not responding and the reason was the r.s.s. ideology and this then soon became evident last year when on 5th august they unilaterally annexed we as
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a disputed territory between pakistan and india. in the. several united nations resolutions from 70 years ago. not only call it a disputed territory but the people of kashmir were given the right by the international community by the united nations that they through a plebiscite they would they should decide their own destiny. but prime minister kan the many pakistani people who also say that the human rights situation in the pakistani part of kashmir is also not perfect how do you answer to that. well this is very easy why the we invite anyone anywhere in the world can come and see the pakistan side of course. and then they go and see the indian side of caution let them decide what is the difference here but still they protest against administrations on the loud in kashmir so that's not really freedom
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of expression is or either isn't it as out as free and fair elections they select their own government there on their own affairs like you did in government they would have problems but as i repeat again why why don't we invite all observers from anywhere in the world they could go to the pakistan side of and then they go to the indian side of course they will not be allowed to go to the indian side of course we everything is sealed all the top leadership is in jails in india . thousands of teenagers have been picked up from the worms and taken away the store internet facility the talk of clampdown you cannot compare what is happening in india to what is it. but let me stress that one more time i mean you did really take strong stands for the freedom of the kashmir people obviously on both sides and you do that also in front of the united nations don't you think your ways would
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be even heard more and better if like for example protests in kashmir in the pakistani side would be also a lie allowed why wouldn't. let me say. the best thing is let the people of kashmir decide the people of pakistan and india and. let them decide what they want to do but just under is all ready to give them the right of through a referendum or a plebiscite let them decide whether they want to remain with pakistan or whether they want to be in the independent we're all for it you just coming back from cush me i mean there was a horrible evidence more than 90 people as we know by now got killed what is the situation there right now it's climate change that's all i can say very strange thing this is happened. this sort of whether. it was unexpected and in that particular area where. most of the people went to
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these 2 houses thinking that they were safe and the avalanche when it came it just took those 2 houses so that's where the tragedy was but unfortunately this is climate change no. do you consider like some cross border aids with india and this specific fields to help people the most and the best there was already cooperation because on the borderline. the army was already cooperating with the indian side because there were i think there was some losses on the other side too but that's a good sign so it's possible in really a tricky situation that both sides work work work together of course in any humanitarian issues we would work together but the issue right now in the indian side of caution is. it is not just a commish issue of humanitarian it's a huge humanitarian crisis over 100000 people of kashmir the indian psyche
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have been killed in the last 30 years and not just i mean the clamp down. since 50 august now this is the whole world should realize for 5 months the people of kashmir are been put under siege the schools are closed the they can't lead a normal life communications are cut off as i said their senior leadership is all in jail so therefore i really hope that the world would take no notice of this pakistan cannot have normal relationship if this disputed territory dispute between pakistan and india recognized by the united nations if they have unilaterally annex that area how can pakistan start talking to them right down do you think the world is paying too little attention i'm afraid and sadly yes
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consider the sort of just the media coverage of hong kong you know demonstrations i mean hong kong what do 3 people i think i don't think more than that have died in kashmir the tragedy of kashmir what is happening and you can't compare the 2 and why it is related why why why do you think the word is paying so much more attention to the homegrown protests regarding the situation in kashmir well i think that the western countries. unfortunately. number one is the primary consideration other markets it's commercial interest india's a big market so that's one reason why we see a very lukewarm response to what is going on and what is happening to 8000000 people let alone what is happening inside india to the minorities what this artist has driven ideology is doing with this citizen registration act and this citizenship act which is blatantly against the minorities specifically
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200000000 muslims i mean this is $100.00 of what they're doing right now in india but specifically on kashmir. the silence of the world is done by one because of commercial interest india big a big market and number 2 i think. in the strategic. western mind india is supposed to be a counterbalance to china and therefore you see a completely different approach to what is the all of this. i am afraid this is going to pose a threat not just to pakistan and the neighboring countries or to the indian minorities but eventually this will be a threat to world peace because remember. if if this goes wrong in other words the rhetoric of the indian army chief saying that the they put
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blame on pakistan side of course should be true and is saying something like if there was a parliament resolution then then the indian army was very dream of the pakistan side of ken what would happen. the unthinkable would happen dude nuclear armed countries would come face to face and that's why even in the united nations i went . to the general assembly and i appealed to the un that you must into been right now before things get out of hand because what could what could you know been what could germany specifically do in that regard i think germany has a huge role or german germany is the strongest country in europe and therefore the european union germany can play a part of the e.u. which is a big. one of apart from the us even is the other. big block which the world looks for upholding human rights so we hope that
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germany plays its part i spoke to johnson markel and i tried to explain to her everything about what is happening and i actually she did make a statement when she was in india saying that you cannot have this. go on for unlimited period of time with 8000000 people up and put under siege 590-0000 indian troops so she said she did speak about it but i think. and i hope that germany will speak out against what is happening. mr prime minister you talked about minorities your governments because of poor corridor or is the long indian seeks to visit a really important place of pilgrimage here in pakistan and you got a lot of applause for that do you think it can help. to improve the relationship with india. you see. i have no i
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have not understood that what was the mindset. i mean no logical mind would not go toward solving. and i'm talking about indian leadership and pakistani leadership any logical mind would want to have peace and solve our issues through dialogue it's logical because you know when you when you trade we know in european union that once trade start between 2 countries then the standard of living goes up and both the countries even if you suffer for it imbalance forest for a short time but eventually everyone benefits from trade so this is the what are i had in mind when i spoke to the indian prime minister when i 1st won the elections and the whole idea was that you know to alleviate poverty in the subcontinent the best thing would be for india and pakistan to start trade are you planning
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something for the hindu community as well so that they. would be allowed to have a free travel to india to visit their places there. at the moment it's just a corridor could not resist chicago where the because it's one of the most secure in fact it is the most sacred place for for for the security and it was only 4 kilometers from the border so we thought that you know why should the security not be able to visit it from india or anywhere else in the world and that would mean that the hindu community also would be easier for them to go to india as well and along you know in the bigger thinking in the bigger picture do you working on that . yes we would like that but at the moment we have this tension going on you know there's a bombing on the line of control right now between kashmir so that we have this
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tense and as i said the indian army chief just gave or threatened by this town that they would annex pakistan side of course we do so we have a temporary problem but in the long run and i hope a same government comes to india which is not driven by the racist ideology what would be the best for the subcontinent as we can live in harmony with each other and trade with each other and of course there's only one difference and that is kashmir and if that could be resolved according to what the united nations security resolution was 70 years ago talking about the subcontinent it's such a beautiful part of the world i mean especially pakistan as well wouldn't it be great if you could kind of lead tourism blossom and get more people here to visit these beautiful sites we have we have we are opening up pakistan for tourism we have. for 70 countries we have decided to give them visa on the airport so
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it's a big change in pakistan we have we are really opening up our country for tourism pakistan is actually one of the most undiscovered. tourist tourism paradise of the world this is our northern areas if you people like mountain tourism i think there is no the most unique place in the world as far as mountain tourism go are the northern areas so what else are you going to do to improve tourism or to grow it's also an economical branch right i mean well for a start or security situation has. improved pakistan has. you know been the safest as since 2004 you know really to. problems and pakistan started after 2004 with the when we joined the war on terrorism and so. came in the eye of the storm and we lost
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a lot of people $70000.00 pakistanis died in this war but now this is the safest year after 2004 so we're heading out towards security in this country and that's why as it does tourism doubled in pakistan last year so as it is because of the secure environment we are having a lot of tourists mr prime minister when we talk about security issues we have to talk about afghanistan what is the current status of the afghan peace talks. as far as i know they were heading towards a cease fire. and we hope that this happens because i repeat again of understand. is a great tragedy for 40 years people of afghanistan have suffered. through conflict and so what we're hoping is the. taliban american talks succeed. and with the new government in power of government again of course president romney being
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reelected we hope that no there's some sort of a peace agreement which is. apart from the people of one is that the next country that is desperate for that peace agreement is pakistan because it opens up opportunities for trading right up in central asia it becomes an economic corridor for us trading between if the more peace it turns to of honest the more people in specially in our k. people that are joining province 2 of honest one would benefit so. as i said we're praying that this works of this you really were quite a big bit of a help for the united states how close this you connection to the taliban right now what pakistan has done its plate is in the peace talks we've encouraged the peace talks and secondly also we have. you know there was
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a hostage situation so pakistan played its part in getting there were 3 western hostages which or 2 which were released so we we are doing our best and whatever influence because remember the 2700000 of one deputies and pakistan so whatever part we can play because of still refugees and whatever linkages pakistan has with the taliban because remember pakistan was the government that are victimized the taliban government. which was there till 2000 what so so we will do our best is india's increasing influence in afghanistan a threat for you what do you make of that it's well. any country of understand is an independent country and it can have a relationship with anyone our problem was really you were in. pakistan our security forces felt that india was instigating attacks into pakistan through of i
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understand that was the main concern of pakistan apart from the. india and afghanistan relationship is between the 2 countries but it only affects us when we feel that india uses of understand to have terrorist attacks within pakistan was the prime minister you were quite critical about the reception of the words regarding kashmir and india when it comes to china and the wiggers you are not really very critical about this issue why is that i mean you really kind of like to stress the fact that that you see yourself as the bridge builder in the muslim world why are you not mall outspoken about the situation of the weavers in china what do reasons really number one you can or even the scale of what is happening next door in india you cannot compare that to what
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is what is supposed to be happening to the. you're a good community and in china i mean just look at the scale 8000000 people in kashmir in an open prison for 5 months so hence i speak about that number to 200000000 muslims right now in india with the citizen act what we fear is disenfranchisement of these people you know remember that in. 1935 when the nazis started the program against the jews 1st they had the registration act similarly in manama they 1st started the registration act of muslims and then started be ethnic cleansing from of ringer muslims so this is the 1st step and hence that is my number one i mean it is the scale of the problem is so huge that's why i talk about it but there's a 2nd reason too china has been a great friend to pakistan. china has helped us in our most difficult time again
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because of the crisis we inherited the economic crisis so the way we deal with china is that when we talk about things we talk about privately we do not talk about things about china in public right now because they're very sensitive that's how they deal with issues very close question you know you knew lady diana very well what do you make of the current situation in great britain with the royals what would she have said to what her youngest son is doing right now. to do what i do you know i have somebody shoes or dealing drugs started doesn't seem to be a that huge of someone i mean it's their life it's how they want to lead why should people interfere in it which if i understood it i guess i can say i.
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frankly i haven't really gone that deeply into a situation i think a young couple want to as far as i know want to lead their own life well it's up to them. thank you very much.
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