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from politics to flash from cars that you think. this is what. welcome to the 77 percent. this week t.w. . they have it something that is not working some people decide not to see it why not have the palin luncheon francis work all the time countries in chaos are you talking about baghdad or paris it's my duty with the other side. france's president emanuel macrolides to be seen as one of the driving forces for reform with the new example changes own country around it's a serious trouble i guess this week here in brussels says former europe minister natalie was old one of his most vocal cheerleaders in the european parliament is the macro revolution advancing or has it run out of steam.
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not only was all welcome to conference on. nobody has talked more about reforming the e.u. than manual merkel why should anyone listen when he's making such heavy weather of reforms in his own country while 1st he's been reforming france for more than 2 years with steady pol. pot the country is in chaos the counter is not in k. off there is no strike anymore and railways or public transportation and there will be the most ambitious pension systems reform for decades old wish which when part in the parliament in the next week people have died in demonstrations barristers reeked of tear gas for weeks on end you've had gigantic this. the options and
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transport so the worst transport disruption since the 1960 s. are you talking about a baghdad office or is this another talk about paris you don't seem to come often to paris are i do i have my family in paris yes they're with are from protests that are french tradition birds are 0 to 700 people injured across the country 17 and hurt a number of policemen injured among them and some casualties were due to this yellow jacket protest movement are you see it throughout the word right now middle class is wondering whether globalization for good or bad for it for them and they need to get on for it and the government from the government they've got 70000000000 euros program that he catered at increasing wages and increasing public services and they found out that the president has an increasingly authoritarian streak doesn't last year's report by the national
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ombudsman spoke of an unprecedented number of preventive arrests so that along with the decline of public services a policy of strength and security and repression at taken root there is a path work is ations from the official watchdog charged with defending the rights of french citizens and i strongly deny it we were in a democracy you think it makes it on our up to one you think you mix it up i think well he's free to say it and i would like to actually order you're a sculpture is where people are they're free to protest or to deny what's happening and the government isn't much good if you just dismiss it when he says it are this is my writing this on this is it yes i was a client of public services the undermining of fun being mental rollovers i'm not in the government i'm an elected member i have 23 elected members of my party here in the european parliament i have as much freedom of expression as any french citizen we're. our in a democracy where in
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a country where we have rule of law oh every problem has been or is being investigated within the banana traditionally i would love to see it as open as balanced and with such a rule of law in other places in the european union i think you should focus on what's happening in poland on what's happening in hungary rather we talk to pose with we're talking to you about france and you're still a member of the president's party home machine are still one of his most vocal cheerleaders so that's why i'm putting these points to you especially when both the u.n. and the council of europe weighed in against what they saw as disproportionate force against demonstrators on the streets of fronts there was this proportion of the violence in my country and there were casualties caused by. blockades by yellow vests can should we forget about that should we forget about the number of trades of a single which closed because of this unrest i will never because i was elected by
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my fellow citizen children in order to not addressing the points the many people have raised the paris think tank for instance general assembly leap so last year the clampdown on civil liberties was part of a consistent pattern since mr michael took office and i deny it because there are freedoms they are respected they are protected for instance freedom to go on strike that's fine that's even constitutional in my county but frink freedom not to go on strike should be protected as well and freedom of movement should be protected as well you want to see the police increased as they were in october 27th in the new deterrent or substantially increase police in february 28th in the immigration or reduce the rights of migrants and asylum seekers in october that year and supreme court refused to halt the creation of a biometric database containing detailed information of. french citizens as
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surveillance and these are measures that are causing concern one prominent lawyer and long time supporter actually a consumer group for sue will put it bluntly said fundamental rights are under attack while our i know mr question well i know the n.g.o.s he is dealing with on refugees because i'm dealing myself on a private basis and the rights of refugees are but please are fighting against terrorism the 1st freedom of my fellow citizens is security and my country was struck again and again by terrorist attacks should we are 30 as we were before and so we are doing nothing this is not a nobody asked you to do nothing this is why i say not going to undermine fundamental rights and liberties as they are not in a fight you can always go to court and you will have your rights protected i know what my fellow citizens want they want security more than rights more than for no
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sense they want both of them and we protect both of them. does mr merkel believe he can have greater success on the european stage with reforms than he's had at home i mean time after time people claims the need for new organizations in the it's a bit like picking random tickets out of a hat isn't it forms to immigration defense trade the european agency to protect democracy european council for interior security european climate bank and the reaction from the rest of europe was resulting silence to these proposals are i'm not sure we are talking about the same word about my country or about here rob you're obviously very anti mccrone that's all right that's a surprise because i thought that was fair internal listen but it is not that's your right or right it's my it's my job to put the other side to you your macro support i'm putting the other side to you ask you don't know the growing that's the way you see things that are necessarily the way other people eternalism but that's all right i don't deny and the serota learnt to 1st answer
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a lesser go to reforms in france yes they are working we are the 2nd most attractive kountry in the european union for foreign investors we have one of the highest growth rates in the european union we half the number of unemployed which is the creasing steadily you have 3 terms in employed no move germany that's right but we don't have many jobs when we talk about jobs which we talk about jobs will full pay that's a choice and we are still fighting against the employment and we are changing the rules for apprentice for instance and it is working and considering the european union are you mentioned the climate bank this was something i was complaining in for in favor of when i was the head of the list of when they thought in the european union election and now this isn't a program of mrs fonda lion her new green deal includes
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a european climate bank includes. 1000000000000 euros in the coming 7 years to finance green projects so this is precisely what we have where advocating for and this is precisely what the ropin union is indicating committed to but there was a huge backlash against your climate proposals was in there when the yellow vests protested against the new carbon tax which was introduced trying to get the troops to change their behavior people in rural areas so it was deeply in the tax had to be abandoned well be handled through all of humor or you have. claims for a more cruel and violent meant a more anti global warming policy and at the same time people fear not in my backyard not on my our fuel expenses we face it every single developed country to finding it affects your but we have burnt and raising the tax but we are
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working with the european union with the commission on a mechanism providing for our protection of european companies compared to 30 kountry companies if they don't respect the same and vironment rules they should pay for the difference there is no reason to impact all companies for a nickel for regulations that we are shooting on a room in europe with your independence advisory council on climate in its report last june strongly suggested your record didn't match the promises you. tell me of $11.00 single european country matching the result with the promises every counter is like something that if you cut off and you so you and there's a ton of money that's a tragedy and $1.00 on target and that's why i mean this european parliament is a you rob ian on ther we couldn't we cannot have one member state taking decisions
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and. another going and a different path we have to take common objectives and abide by them we have to have objective 442-034-2050 we are in the process of doing it but then rose if you were serious about the environment you would halt this incredibly wasteful process of convening the european parliament for one week every month in strasbourg and the rest of the time in brussels why not have the parliament in strasbourg all the time i agree i mean you know but at the moment this is hugely damaging for the environment and hugely costly to the european taxpayer but it's france's vanity project it's in the treaty. and it's germans vanity project to have the european central bank in frankfurt and inflection of advantage of projects to have premises election with the whole european parliament doesn't get up like a travelling circus and some people have said once every month how do you have
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a cost of over $100100000000.00 euros a year have you asked the cost of having a premise isn't like fender in frankfurt and in many other places in europe that doesn't justify this doesn't my to mordor specific interest you must you want your regret to 3 in brussels public. cut from the reality of the ground cut from member states is that what you bought is that what citizens have been voting for for them they are telling us please go to member states please get out of this but please larry to strasburg once a month and not telling you that. in my country it is only coming in your butt but at the cost of between $11000.00 listening to my voters between 11019000 tons of extra c o 2 emissions every year just to make this stunt possible you know every time
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you don't know what a program on your smart phone you walk dissipating and carbon emissions and still here doing it yes we'll have to change our habits but why are you finger pointing the heart of european democracy where we have the council of europe where we have the you open court good morning that is right you don't need to go to work once a month yes we can stay in strasbourg i agree the european concern have to osama from this group said it was time for any peace to get their own house in order and the traveling circus no organization can honestly claim to be serious and tackling climate change and still maintain the work of working which is so manifestly destructive to the environment while i hope that you don't rob a conservative group also notices that poland one of its main supporters is far as lagging far behind in terms off a mission and still denying the need for our green new deal let's talk about
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foreign policy emanuel mccall's foreign policy because there's been a strong perception that he favors go it alone diplomacy instead of the multilateral initiatives that you're with claims to value one of your president's harshest critics here in brussels the green movement peacefully blumberg screws them of being drunk on power and said you don't shape europe by bullying europe. shit europe by building alliances this is what we saw in in previous decades with a very lively your rock well listen to on the your world stage it was so obvious that we were winning n. that we were united an official come on you are not united on russia policy on russia while. russia look at the normandy form and summit that we had in paris a few weeks ago what did get you we defended ukraine's rights we favored an exchange of prisoners which had not taken place for months and years and we are fully in
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line with your property and position on ukraine crimea i don't buy that and the rest just the council on foreign relations says a lot of people claims the sumac and didn't even inform them ahead of time when he sent his foreign and defense ministers to moscow last september seem to be part of an emerging pattern of unilateral actions she's you say the same one angle america all goes to moscow to meet with vladimir putin no they are playing their role france is an important member state of the european union france has a permanent seat in the security council we have responsibilities with a firm european values we carry you rope in voice and we have to share european positions we are fully in line with so the ball while there is not the year that of a slice of paper between what you said burrill isn't vacating for and what we are pushing for bilaterally it strengthen europe it doesn't weaken it what wonder
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whether when mr all bar prefers to talk to put you know to talk to each other well and says that they are hungary and commissioner is at the service of an agent wonder whether he supports european union policy last august masoom account called for a new architecture in europe based on trust and security because he said the continent would never be stable without easing and clarifying europe's relations with russia . well you didn't spell out was how you base a new relationship with russia on trust and security when there isn't any and you suggested us or we are virtual and my our political party was hacked by russian activist during the presidential campaign when there was a chemical attack involved in the ukraine who was pushing the other europeans for a coordinated onset it was a man like me and no one else we are perfectly aware of the threat of.
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russia nostalgic of the path but then will it change geography or do we prefer to have russia turning definitely to china or to have russia and gauged in the dialogue with the european union and major concessions does that involve doesn't into a country that borders international borders shoots down commercial aircraft as you say since its assassins to europe while to murder people for ethical weapons for instance i would have preferred not to theater not trying to protect supported so heavily by germany because it deepens or dependency on russian gas that's a problem and we have said that and then went back on fareed very bluntly it's not a question of confessions it's a question of having or a voice her it is a consistent voice that if we look at the question of enlargement in the european
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union for instance in august. sumac rome was the leader who told europe to really invest geographically in the west balkans warning that if it didn't fate of that region could be decided by the u.s. russia and turkey and then just 2 months later he effectively blocked or at the very least delayed those countries from joining the e.u. doesn't fit does it contradiction it's not the 1st time a few block i've been. myself a year before we wind up both you can tell us tempting from from these other countries that are taking an interest in the west balkans a man not serious but going through either senior leadership look at serbia serbia started in succession process did serbia distance itself from russia not a 2nd. do you think that access a negotiation czar the magical recipe to have counter is distancing themselves from russia look at hungary it has not worked we have to reassess the who accession
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negotiation process it was not working we want to turn a blind eye and just considered that we have a policy when we have only bureaucracy now we have to be serious i'm dead serious about the importance of iraq in perspective for western balcones and because i believe in it i don't want to leave it to bureaucrats wants to be deeply involved in what we ask this country's work to what we take them accountable war for the fight against corruption fight against organized crime standards of the council on foreign relations european council formulation said you french action may have actually weaken the e.u.'s leverage in this region french veto of north macedonia is albania is a session ago shoes and has a mix certainly changed the context for resolving bilateral problems in the west balkans once again look at serbia they are in the process they are negotiating they
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are opening chapters and closing chapters and they are closer than ever to moscow they are with something that is not working some people decide not to see it we decided to name it because we want to reform it if we're serious about enlargement and we are serious it's not just a slogan it's not just to play nice and then go to some countries and try to make business it's about having one hand the known to take with the other it's being in having them ready to enter the european union and not being a failure and not in danger in the european project to me about the rumblings in the our most party because they've been some signs of serious discontent 2 months ago a more deported the delusional. president to the our must group in the chamber written to micro warning about the state of his parliamentary majority and pushing him to rebuild trust with rank and file m.p.'s serious this year when the presidents and then please don't trust him oh if it were the case our that would be
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a serious issue and there are are many examples throughout the european union of we could nation with weak political parties absence of majorities of very in their own majority you have a woman state in european union which doesn't face this problem and this is france there is a clear big strong majority there is but by the end of november 11 employees in the national assembly had quit or been pushed out of the parliament so the c.s. bonaventure group in the summer 60 are marched out because they were out of the principles and values of the other parties and this is healthy so party discipline is breaking down in the summer 60 our march m.p.'s abstain though voted against the government over the free trade agreement with counter that could mean one single draft bill which was not voted by the majority of 2017 put just one there is now you've got an official party candidate in the race for mayor of paris in march
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benjamin greville another piece at a big deal and he has decided he's going to run anyway despite failing to get official backing it's a mess isn't it only a non-accredited of mars not north korea agree we are not russia or agree we are a recount tree with reed i mean political party whether you agree with or they feel a need for running where there is a better america with the answer is no but he's free and then forgot we are in a free country and losing the youth vote as the elections. for the european parliament showed no it didn't there had never been as many young people voting and a number of them voted for omar well compared to 2017 you lost 6 percent among 18 to 24 year. rhodes and 11 points among voters aged 25 to 34 problem is that you should compare what is comparable compare it with previous european elections and you will see that the turnout was much bigger and young people went to the polls
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where there were a lot voting for previous european elections the highest school in the europe in the elections categories was in the category of people over 70 years old now but no party can be complacent about that can we are a party which was created out of trap scratch in 2016 and we are a party which when the presidential election the national election and we fear the world in the european election we are going to have 23 and he pees in this parliament exactly the same number as the far right i would have preferred to have even more than that but compared to my predecessors i'm quite proud of the result but the party that came to power representing above all the younger poorer more metropolitan sectors of society dissent that caring about climate no wasn't that wasn't. it's a party that denies the traditional left right divide and rightly so look at where traditional right and traditional left argentina in france and it's true throughout
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europe you're about to take a position in the. steering box it steering group well it's one of the really direct it annoys me is going to be u.k. caught in a little room he has and you have a deal 11 months while are not on everything on have a bare bones deal probably yes. i could have done a deal with the reason my why didn't the you do that you would have. sit in the remember future insisted only our irish backstop because it's clear that finished her off didn't it while she had no majority in her parliament and she could have got an agreement through if you'd let her on the backstop legions of them really think that protecting their rights are for companies or for citizens are protecting peace in the island was not a key priority i don't agree with you government so that was a key priority but the backstop wasn't necessary but you're going to end up with
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a with an outcome if britain leaves without a deal as an outcome that nobody wants especially the brain yeah but you didn't want it either though but going to cause massive disruption for you to my point is you plowboy it's a choice for the press if they want to destroy their country i don't think this is what they want they have to be responsible leaders it's time for responsible europe's going to suffer too that's for sure i mean there is no good president red is bad whatever form it has but protecting the rights of a company's protecting or priority is protecting the european project is key they have chosen in britain to get out of the year european union fair enough. we have told him to just to destroy the european union all right and we will not after you thank you very much for your coffee.
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