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for the u.k. this is a move that could change much more than just the speed of the internet today the british government said that the country's new 5 g. networks will be built in part by the chinese tech giant who way the u.s. australia and new zealand have banned 2 away citing national security concerns britain at mit's that the company is high risk but a manageable risk tonight angry u.s. lawmakers are suggesting that the u.k. will have to manage that risk all along i'm bored golf in berlin this is the day. but it doesn't take a genius to work out why one is so competitive in cost way should not even scotty as a cry fix company takes the chinese communist party branded as a company and we're going to give them
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a new can do it to our security there's no reason why we should take the word proof because. pretty. sure indra's we know more about huawei and the risks it places than any other country in the world if you talk to the solution that enables us to achieve which is the only way to protect the safety is to. also coming up at u.s. president trump and israeli prime minister netanyahu one is an impeached president the other and indicted prime minister today they both took on the role of peacemakers palestinians can use all 'd appropriate deliberation to study the deal negotiate with israel achieve the criteria for statehood and become a truly independent and wonderful state. to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states. and all around the world welcome we begin the day with
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a british prime minister in what appears to be a dangerous if not impossible balancing act today the u.k. government cleared the way for the chinese tech giant who way to help construct its next generation 5 g. networks of 5 g. will enable self driving cars and constant connectivity of practically everything and everyone and unprecedented disruptor and that makes it an unprecedented threat to national security according to the u.s. for months the trumpet ministration has lobbied its closest allies to follow its lead and to ban who way australia and new zealand have complied the u.k. is the 1st not to heed washington's morning the announcement drawing fire from us lawmakers today congresswoman lives cheney tweeted this by allowing who are way into the u.k. 5 g. network boris johnson the prime minister has chosen these surveillance state over the special relationship it's tragic to see our closest ally
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a nation ronald reagan once called in can decimate with courage turn away from our alliance and the calls of freedom strong words there what will today's decision mean for that special relationship moving forward is this a risk that the u.k. can manage without the us. way of us not mention by name in the british government statement but british cyber security official said they had always treated the company as a high risk vendor and those vendors would be excluded from sensitive car parts of 5 g. and limited to a maximum 35 percent share of nonsense if parts of the network. proportionate to place the reality is that these are highly complicated networks relying on global supply chains where some limited measure of vulnerability is almost inevitable. the critical security question is how to mitigate such vulnerabilities and stop them
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damaging the british people and our economy. the way said it was reassured by the government's decision and hopes for a similar verdict from the european union which will officially unveil its recommendations on when state e.u. lawmakers have already signaled there will be. a. decision by the judge could be no it is not a question of discrimination it is a question of laying down rules they will be strict they will be demanding and of course we will welcome in europe all operators who are willing to apply them. to. the u.s. government which has allies to block out to our way said it was disappointed by the british government's decision washington has banned way from the role of the next generation mobile network because of concerns that the firm could be under the control of beijing. let's talk about that tonight my 1st guest is graham webster he
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is with the china project at the cyber policy center and stanford university which is close to silicon valley in california agreement's good to have you on the show from where you are sitting tonight what did the u.k. do today did it make a sound economic policy decision or did it just in danger its own national security . well i think the u.k. very well may have made a good national security decision here. no security is ever going to be absolute so the calculation has to be how much risk is one willing to accept and what the u.k. government has said is that we can look at highway and use some of its components in some less critical parts of the network and we think that's an acceptable level of risk you could have a network with no paul way at all that still could be spied on by chinese or u.s. or other intelligence agencies so they're looking at
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a risk based approach and they're very conscious about minimizing the very real risks of inviting holway into the most sensitive parts of the network i mean you bring up a good point the government is saying that who way will not be involved in constructing the core elements of its 5 g. infrastructure only what it calls the dummy elements. but how realistic is that are there examples of this being done successfully in other countries. well it's hard to tell right now because we are talking about a change in the type of network that we're building current 4 g. wireless networks will not have as much automated activity at the edges as the new generation the new generation 5 g. will include a lot of functions that really are taken care of at the edge of the network without all of the data going to a central server so really there's no country or no place in the world that's built
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out it's 5 g. network and therefore there's also no place that successfully secured it i think we have to think even aside from following about whether our countries are able to secure 5 g. networks with all of the dependencies that we plan to put on what you've got the united states warning that a way is a trojan horse that once you let them into your infrastructure it's too late i mean that is an argument and as you say we really don't have a case that we could use to argue against the americans do we. well i think it's hard to argue against because it is about the future and it's about tech that hasn't been installed. but if you were to take a truly absolute approach to banning chinese made gear you would have to buy your you would have to ban also quality smartphones and then you would end up finding
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out that your apple i phones were also made in china and there's a there's a sliding scale here that i think need not stop at these specific company and i think there's some wisdom in maintaining flexibility. in the face of a really kind of doctrinaire u.s. approach and it's unfortunate that the u.s. government has credibility problems with its partners right now we might not be in the situation if the u.s. had been more friendly to its allies over the last few years anyway yeah that's a good point a point that we we've heard that communicated numerous times in the last several years concerning many decisions not just 5 g. 5 g. graeme is considered to be a part of what's being called the great tech divergence between china and the west but this decision by the u.k. today it really it doesn't fit that prediction does it. well it doesn't go all the
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way i think it's still a pretty strong set of restrictions. restricting huawei to a 35 percent share in an area that many of its products have a global leader. that's a big restriction restricting it from however they end up defining core systems. is a big deal that's that will continue the need for non chinese companies to be available to supply these types of components and so one way or the other. foreign governments meaning not chinese are going to be looking for multiple suppliers and the chinese government is going to definitely want to maintain their own chinese capabilities so we have at least 2 systems that are going to be developing at the same time and let me ask you about the the americans role here not just in issuing this with this morning or this threat. we've heard that one problem with the trump policy is that they're telling their allies to ban this chinese company but they're
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not providing an american company that can replace cool way and that's part of the problem right you've got who are way ericsson and nokia and that's about it. right well it's going to take some time for american or european or other so-called trusted countries. companies to come up with alternatives to some of the 5 g. infrastructure that has developed you know we have to face the fact that that company even though it has plenty of documented misdeeds in terms of ip theft and human rights violations they've built some pretty compelling product so it's going to take some time and people also need to remember you know the spies and cyber criminals and others are going to be breaking into whichever kit gets installed around the world and those risks have to be managed one way or the other great we've got about a minute left i want to ask you about germany germany is watching the u.k.
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german chancellor merkel she refuses to ban who away but her coalition government party yes they want the band to any prediction on what today's decision in the u.k. will mean for germany's decision well it might depend in part on the response that you get from the united states if they if the u.s. government doesn't really come down hard on. the u.k. maybe the german government would feel a little more free to be pragmatic but i think this is wrapped up in a bigger narrative about competition between the west and china and i would urge those decision makers in all countries to focus on the security issues the concrete issues and keep that geo political important geo political conversation separate where it is a technical question well i'm sure you know the last word has not been spoken on
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this issue you will probably have to be calling you again graham webster with the diggy china project at the cyber policy center and stanford university graham we appreciate your insights tonight thank you thank you. well u.s. president on strong has unveiled his long awaited peace plan for the middle east it calls for a palestinian state with its capital in east jerusalem but it also grants israel control of the disputed territories in the jordan valley now speaking alongside israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu today with no representatives from the palestinians present the u.s. president described his proposal as the deal of the century my vision presents a win win opportunity for both sides a realistic 2 state solution that resolves the risks of palestinian statehood to
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israel's security today israel has taken a giant step toward peace yesterday prime minister netanyahu informed me that he is willing to endorse the vision as the basis for direct negotiations for too long far too long the very heart of the land of israel where our patriarchs prayed our prophets preached and arkan's ruled has been outrageously branded as illegally occupied territory well today mr president you are puncturing this big blood. i r let's see if we can get to the truth here joining me now is seth binder from the project on middle east democracy he joins me from our washington studios had it's good to have you on the show so we saw right there there was not a representative from the for the palestinians standing anywhere there so is this
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a serious attempt by the united states president to find a lasting peace in the middle east i mean what happened today what did we see. yeah i don't think so i think this was something you've seen being built up over the past couple years since the administration has taken over in many ways the way i see it is it solidifying what's already on the ground what you just sort of demonstrated is is netanyahu dismissing an occupation when in fact it very much is . tweeted a map of his vision of a palestinian state today we're showing that to the viewers right now it includes a tunnel. from the west bank to dogs i assume these really in the me would be above you if you're drawing the they are i mean what do you make of that is it is almost science fiction in a way like a dystopian picture of the future yeah so i mean
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in many ways i think you know who is going to control access to the tunnel and as you talk about you know this territory above and below that would be in question but i think even even more important is is sort of what this plan sort of lays out for what would happen in gaza no no port no airport no airport for after 5 years when we're going to go she has finally reached if that ever were to happen. there's you know calling for hamas and other groups to completely disarm it it just doesn't sort of pass a smell test in terms of what could be realistic not to mention when we when we look at the west bank in this map you know the swiss cheese effect that you're seeing the breaking up of any sort of you know continuous palestinian land that might exist for a future state. well let me based on the settlements right now and
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the u.s. president said nothing about the israelis giving back in the settlements i mean it's practically impossible to draw a contiguous long line along those settlements if you wanted to create a new palestine in my correct yet not a not only that they actually are leaving some of the settlements that they're calling enclaves and what would be a palestinian state sort of creating islands with roads israeli only roads that would connect to the rest of an israeli state would be an inside a palestinian state and so you've taken you know some of these larger israeli settlements and made sure that they are still obviously a part of an israeli state and then even just the a little islands in between what would be a palestinian one creates an environment that you know does and doesn't need anything that palestinian would be asking for over the past you know decades
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whereas they've been trying to negotiate for peace as they've been trying to negotiate for their own state you know i mean today i was watching the announcement i was thinking of maybe mafia movies that i've seen because. i'm wondering does this plan really matter at the end of the day are we seeing here basically a green light for israeli settlement plans on occupied territory and then a green light to blame it on the palestinians for their intransigence because they would not sign on to this plan that was unveiled today. yeah i think you're right i mean on one level the palestinians were never really given a legitimate opportunity to negotiate you've seen israelis already call for a potential annexation vote coming up this weekend. and so yeah you're absolutely right i think it really is is more of a call to to netanyahu base to
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a trunk base and they're sort of domestic politics than it is an illegitimate call for peace and and i think it's really going to be interesting to see how the international community response to this proposal and i think that will be indicative of how far this is able to sort of carry on with the does the drug administration does it have the backing of any of its international partners for this plane you did see today during the announcement that amerada ambassador the bahraini ambassador and the omani ambassador were there but i think it's still to be determined on how others respond to it and think it will be important to see how they respond let me just pick up before we run out of time here on the comment you made about the 2 leaders we sold today i mean we have donald trump who is in impeached u.s. president on trial charged with abuse of power he could in theory be removed from
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office and you have be benjamin netanyahu the 1st sitting prime minister in israeli history to be indicted to be you know to be charged with a crime. are these 2 leaders political leaders in a basically fighting for their survival using a plate another plan of peace to distract from their domestic. i think on some level you can absolutely see that i think that is that is certainly a legitimate argument to be made and there is some truth to it and i think it's also a continuation. as you sort of demonstrated earlier as you mentioned to present the plan and then you know when palestinians don't go along to continue to try to deal with them and say here are israelis trying to make
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a legitimate opportunity for peace and the palestinians dismissed that and and this is what we're left with and and again it's sort of solidifying what's already on the ground this occupation that's been going on for decades as you say this is what we're left with. with the project on middle east markers you joining us tonight from washington so if we appreciate your insights tonight thank you thank you. late last year the government of lebanon was brought down after weeks of protests sparked by allegations of corruption and political mismanagement at the roots of the issue a political system designed to end years of civil war by dividing power among different groups all that system has been accused of enabling political corruption we know there is a new government but it seems the old elite sim power they haven't gone anywhere the w's reporter travel to be rude where she spoke with one young protester who is fed up with politics as usual.
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has been protesting on the streets of lebanon since october 17th. for her this is personal. been during my homey. this is part of the why i remember the stuff between my school and university because i couldn't because it's so expensive this is part of the why i remember electricity being of a minute being capable of turning on the heater when i was in my family business right there when. she's not the only one failing economy white spread unemployment and in adequate public services have taken their toll on lebanese from all walks of life. perle and others doing career politicians for lebanon's problems. some of them has been there ever since i was born thank you to 2070
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speaking with the aim of the people while generations are rising within different thinking within the from consciousness within the indication when i was born i thought that after 2 weeks of demonstrations the prime minister resigned in late october and a new government was formed. but many like perla want more. of a. way for things to work the gays direction and move. more the political. group of papers that took over 4 years lebanon needs to. get out of with 6 derian system and its politics. getting rid of lebanon sectarian system which protesters say hinders reform and fosters corruption isn't as simple as changing a government. the country has 18 officially recognized religious groups and they all have to somehow participate in government. parliament seats are divided among
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most of these groups even the 3 highest political offices are allocated based on religion the quota basis jim has roots in lebanon's history and was reinforced following the country's civil war and there are some like lawmakers alone the disagree with protesters and still see a need for the system its need for the needs of course you know these are diversified societies and you need a minimum of safeguards to ensure everyone that they are being able to to get their rights you cannot move from a sectarian government and system to a secular one from a day to another it's a process i support the process but not to an overnight switch. probably knows that getting to bigger goals will take time but says the social
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cohesion born out of the movement has brought the country one step closer to change . she's convinced her presence on the streets is necessary for that change to continue. to. go and drop. off the. top of the 20 to 30 percent. of those are the haunting images many of us remember where we were today 34 years ago when the space shuttle challenger exploded just moments after takeoff the entire crew perished including the woman who would have been the 1st schoolteacher in outer space when nasa marked this say the anniversary today with the crew of the international space station including 2 women astronauts who now hold the record for the longest
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spaceflight by a woman they spoke today of those who have gone before them and those who have inspired them especially those whose lives were cut too short we both do a lot of inspiration from seeing people that were reflections of ourselves as we were growing up and developing our dreams to become astronauts so to recognize that maybe we could pay that forward and serve the same for those that are up and coming was just such a highlight of that moment. right you know women who inspire us today well the day is almost done the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter either at g.w. news or you can follow me abroad go off t.v. don't forget to use the hash tag the day every member whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see the.
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