news of visit our web site w dot com. in just 2 days the u.k. will begin leaving the european union breck's it one of the most significant political and economic divorces in history but tonight it's all about the high tech and high stakes that europe and the u.k. have in common rolling out 5 g. networks with the help of the chinese tech giant who way a company the u.s. warns could easily be a trojan horse spying for beijing europe and the u.k. agree that the risk is high they also agree it's a risk that they can manage i bring golf in berlin this is the day. we can do great things we find i think it is absolutely vital that people in this country do have access to the best technology available that's.

only if we can make our networks secure moved all we in europe accept everyone everyone is welcome but we have new it was always. has been and will continue to be a national security force did we also do absolutely nothing to the parallel relationship with united states british our strongest allies we've got to find a way to work through this. also coming up means farewell today at the european parliament there were songs cheers in tears as lawmakers said goodbye to britain but not find to make it a better year to make a success of the european union will go along and you must keep fighting. what we have achieved. is of historic significance.

to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world welcome we begin the day with a question for europe and the u.k. what do you weigh more heavily when it comes to national security a warning from the trump administration or your own ability to calculate risk or the answer has never been as relevant or as telling as it is right now yesterday the u.k. prime minister boris johnson announced that the u.k. will allow the chinese tech companies who are way to help construct the generation the next generation of data networks known as 5 g. but with significant limits today the european union took steps to do the same london in brussels on the same page here in washington however appears to be reading from a very different book some u.s. lawmakers say who are ways access to 5 g. could easily become a back door of espionage for china the biggest fear and erosion of confidence and

trust among allies the u.s. warning it may have to curtail intelligence sharing with its closest allies the european commission says member states should consider banning high risk 5 g. technology suppliers from its most sensitive assets but stopped short of naming china's huawei the companies that global market leader in 5 g. technology which in turn is considered crucial for the digital future increasing connection speeds and possibly revolutionizing medicine agriculture and energy grids. 5 she will make a positive difference says moderate divest aga the european commission's executed fice president and digital economy chief but only if its networks could be secure as many critical services ro depend on 5 g. ensuring the security of networks is of highest strategic importance for the entire european union. cyber security threats including the risk of interference

by known e.u. states or state facts actors are becoming more sophisticated and more widespread the european commission is asking member states to assess the risk profile of 5 g. suppliers and apply restrictions when necessary whether or not that's the case huawei remains to be seen. the e.u.'s decision mirrors measures approved by the united kingdom on tuesday both the u.k. and the e.u. a falling short on demands by the united states for a blanket ban for the chinese firm. i'm joined tonight here at the big table by verdi he is a member of the german parliament for the s.p.d. social democrats he's also a member of parliament for the affairs committee mr humphrey he supports a ban on way here in germany the german chancellor angela merkel she opposes a new ban it's good to have you here so i visited act i have to ask you are. we

will we know what the e.u. decides about 5 g. what we were reporting today is only advisory the decision lies with the member states so what germany decides is going to be what germany does but you can't ignore what the u.k. decided yesterday does it help or hurt you. it doesn't really help because i think it's a compromise that will not work in the long run but with signs from brussels today from the commission that goes the other direction how does that help you because they also say they don't mention a ban on who way they just say. limits well and nobody wants to ban who just literally it's about standards who is able who who are we willing to accept a supplier for critical infrastructure and what's the criteria for that and trustworthiness political trustworthiness is the top criteria and that's what's the debate is about is about the relationship of the chinese government to their companies technically does the the toolbox that was approved today at the e.u.

level does it give you the means to determine whether or not who way is trustworthy not the means but it gives us the arguments as put it that way and there are $22.00 points to it one is the political point of trustworthiness that is everybody knows that that is a problem but the other part is the technical part about the differentiation between the cornet and the h. so what parts of the g 5 net is how it's interacting is very technical aspect of it and i'm not too issue of whether everybody understood it but in this paper of the opinion they really made the difference asian in that in the future there will be no useless or or not so important it will be all very important with x. computing roots by you have to have trustworthy suppliers also for that part of the ok so this talking about you've got the core of the network which you've also got the edge and the edge is going to be more important than it's ever been exact. right. about politics here we know that you and your social democrats you you're

very critical when it comes to who way we know that the german chancellor angela merkel she has refused to talk about any type of bayan. who's who's going to come out on top here but again it's not about ben it's about the criteria of trustworthiness and a political trustworthiness that's what where are you only with the chance are you guys closer are you finding common ground now will be a member of parliament so we're not discussing with the chancellor formally we're discussing with our coalition partner the conservatives at this point the c.d.c. is you and they obviously split on this issue. that's not a secret right so they are they're still having this process of making their decision and then what is the social democrats and i can relate to that because it took us some time to technical aspects very difficult to decide but we made a choice late last year and now we're waiting for them and we're waiting for them you're waiting for them do you do you see the chances being good of getting

a majority of the conservatives do to come and see things as you see them yeah yeah well when is that going to happen. as what i hear from my friends from the conservatives they are telling me that they will make up their did they will make their decisions. in the party group not the government in the next session week it's 40 days from today ok last night i spoke with an analyst at stanford university and he works soley on issues of high tech china security and public policy and i wanted to know if there are examples from the past that the u.k. and the european union can point to when they're talking about trustworthiness networks and who are way to take a listen to what he told me are there examples of this being done successfully in other countries well it's hard to tell right now because we are talking about a change in the type of network that we're building. so really there's no country or no place in the world that built out its 5 g.

network and therefore there's also no place that successfully secured it. he's saying right there there are no examples that we can rely on because 5 g. is radically different it is it enables the internet of things to become a reality so how can how can how can the u.k. government how can even the european union even begin to guarantee that they can be sure that no security risk will exist with any of the vendors helping to put 5 g. together this is a technical question to well there is no you don't have 100 percent security with any technology so there are several aspects to that so the plurality of suppliers are not only just one supplier but in the supply chain you have more differentiated companies being involved there are several several issues where you can reduce the risk technically and just to make sure you can you can have double double nets so

to speak so if one fails you know you have a 2nd net to take over you will never have 100 percent security but that's not the issue it's not a technical issue the technical issue is it is an aspect you have to deal with in any technology here it is the political control of the top of the that is a supplier it's a totally different deal the comparison is not the old telephone that the comparison is more or less it's a military equipment we would not buy a tank or a military weapon from somebody else with that control over it could be let link to their government right wouldn't do that the job administration looks at her way and points to the 2017 law that was passed in china dealing with national security which would force a way basically to become an arm of the government if need be and if the u.s. sees it that way how can your not see the same way i mean or or are we coming to that point in the future i'm ok this is this is how you look. to china and how this

country develops so we i admire the economic growth their capabilities technology that is very good to develop in their report i like that because i don't like property in that part of the of the world anymore so that they make progress but here is a question of whether we rely on the on the top of the government to the company even if this law you mention would not exist even if wouldn't exist they'd be still control isn't here in chinese government over that company so there's not a formal argument practically this is the most important infrastructure decision critical infrastructure decision for at least the next 4050 or maybe longer years right so you will not give control of a foreign force government to a company to be the the main supplier you wouldn't do that is not a you know it's not smart i want to pull up one of your tweets from today images show our viewers that we called our attention and we're pull it up there we go i

mean it captures the 2 huge stories that are converging this week we've got 5 g. who weigh dilemma and we've got the u.k. leaving the european union breaks it. what are your plans for this coming friday when. right or when the u.k. begins saying goodbye to the e.u. i'm enjoying tomorrow less day the united kingdom is a full member of the european union we still have a lot of work to do and this is not not all decisions are made we have this period till the end of this calendar year 2 to have a deal about the future relationship that's a super important issue so an old thing ended but a new thing comes up on friday we know that the u.k. prime minister he wants a trade deal with the european union by year's end is that is that wishful thinking or is that me accomplish but what's your feel i took to talking about feeling ok.

i'd say there has to be a decision made by the u.k. government whether they want to have a top you list approach about this relationship whether they want to use it for future campaigning or future elections or whether they want to real deal or not if they want to real deal if it's if it's just about the the benefit of the citizens of the united kingdom you there will be there will be that it's not going to be any problems to to solve our questions by the end of the year and those that are not be sold by the end of the we will solve them later that's not the problem timing is not the problem the problem is whether this procedure will be misused by populus that's basically the most important speaking of populist today in the european parliament you know we saw this vote which passed the brits that withdrawal agreement the final vote or to take a look at what the chief breaks into your nigel for raunch what he and his fellow

brits party members what they did inside the european parliament today. i mean what's next i like i know you're going to miss. i know you want to bet on national flags but we're going to wave goodbye i will look forward in the future so working with so bring. if you disobey the roof you get how tough should rephrase remove the flag. i mean you know right since years don't have to behave that's one message you could get there but when you look at that with them using the british flag they are as as a as a weapon against the idea of the european parliament what goes through your mind. they are populists so we all know they're tools nothing new. i'm thinking about the 2030 percent lowest income in the united kingdom that will pay the price you will

not pay the price paid the price for it it's going to be the ones that suffer from that economically and socially in the united kingdom most i'm thinking of those and . he's willing to exploit that he's not the only one you have those people in germany as well so he's not alone since we're talking about decisions of a generation let me ask you to look into your crystal ball is breaks in this decision to leave the european union do you think it's a final one or can you imagine the u.k. rejoining the european union's at some point later in this century later in the sense i mean there is a time but ok but within within a generation let's say i learned a lot about the british relationship irish british british european relationship during this grex of procedure and a lot of i traveled the country i traveled island i traveled north island and group and. so a lot of things change in the past as well not too long ago 100 years ago 10 years

ago 20 years ago if we so yes it is yes now you think you can happen yeah it's the destiny it's the interest of the european people is to stick together under common rules otherwise we we will lose too many benefits always the optimist that's why we like you mr and it's in her video as always it's good to have you all are so good to get your insights we appreciate it thanks. for the world paused this week to remember the horrors of the holocaust to mark 75 years since the liberation of the auschwitz nazi death camp survivors reunited monday at the very site where more than a 1000000 men women and children most of them jews were murdered today the focus was here in berlin as israel's president spoke before the german parliament. the jewish poet is available sang this lullaby to comfort children as they were forced into a gas chamber in auschwitz. addressing the german parliament israeli president

ruben rivlin warned of resurgent anti semitism across europe and said germany had a key role to play in combat ing it. get a man you have a chip in the hague germany the country where the so-called final solution was devised has assumed responsibility for the protection of international liberal values which are being violated by populism. kidney gate guy les properties. rivlin said that if this effort fails in germany it will fail everywhere german president hung in my a said the shoah is part of german history and identity he warned that hatred and abuse are spreading and the poison of nationalism is seeping into debates once again including here in germany in the i don't want you guys good image that we thought that the specters of the past would vanish with time but no they're raising

their ugly heads again in a new guys moreover they're presenting their folkish and all for a tarion ideas as a vision for the future as better answers to the open questions about time. paintings of auschwitz are on display in the in the stock that buy does he have who survived his own deals in the camp he'd been forced to retrieve bodies from the gas chambers and bundy. well i'm joined now here the big table by digit borger she is a senior european it appears advisor at the american jewish committee your digits good to see you with jen i mean it's it's been a week of several very important events last thursday we saw the even the yad vashem on monday we saw the event in poland at the site of the auschwitz death camp and today we had the german parliament where the israeli president spoke. to talk to me was it important to the culture of remembrance for these 3 sites to be

included what's your take on that we can't remember a nuff and this is a very special year and i think we all know this 75 years the youngest of the survivors are now in the late eighty's to early ninety's in 10 years we hardly will have anyone more with us so i think we can talk about too many we can be grateful that it was possible to actually do these events and have survived with us the politics of memory we heard this week threaten to get in the way there was at yad vashem and it there was the boycott by the polish president you have a sham and then there was the boycott by the russian president. and you know they've got these claims of revisionist history concerning the 2nd world war and the holocaust how do you explain that happening today 75 years after the fact.

it shows how dynamic history is and what it means trying national consciousness look at us in the united states we're still not of a mind on the civil war and i think in that sense 75 years isn't that much it was very complex what happened and world war 2 the involvement of different parties when they got involved how they got involved but above all it's about national identities and they're undergoing a change we're coming into a new era it's complex and we want everyone to feel acknowledged where it was important we also want perpetrators to take responsibility and all societies to look at the perpetrators in their midst and that's not easy but it's important so i think the debate on historical revisionism is really in some ways just that it's beginning i think it's new versions of history must be very very careful not to

lose our focus here you know how do we how do we keep our focus especially as time moves on the survivors one day will no longer be with this you know i think of the the holocaust survivor elie always talked about the holocaust was was something that was so unique in its ability to go beyond our ability to imagine what happened right if people like him of the survivors are gone then how can we just leave and rightly remember what happened presents an extremely important question that many of us have been posing for years now. and i think it's led to a renewed interest in those we still have with us but even more importantly at this moment in time is the understanding of the tranced generational impact of the holocaust of all trauma and i think in order to maintain the memory we have

2nd 3rd generation who are very much alive and prove grown up and lived with this trauma their whole lives it's affected their lives it's changed its shape so it's not coming to an end even if the original. the survivor generation as itself is passing away we still have many many people we can talk to we have more and more historical evidence we have videos i think the interest will not diminish that much i'm optimistic. i think we need to do much more than we need more education i think it will in fact expand the interest and the knowledge it's very important not to forget the holocaust and to maintain it will be a challenge but we can't let it go you and i we've spoken here many times about anti-semitism growing here in germany and in europe do you do you think it's good would you say now that it's getting worse we're still getting worse and i mean in

your work where do you see points of light. there's a feeling that anti-semitism has become much more open again that it's become somehow fashionable or it's acceptable in many different kinds of circles and we were saying before we don't know if it's more i mean attitudes that are measured there may be a slight decline that the number of incidents is much too high what we do know is that it's very open it's coming from different sources from the far right to the far left to the center of society to groups of migrants to muslim the muslim world it's intimidating and the internet and social media have certainly accelerate at the spread of conspiracy theories at the heart of which are very often if not almost always jews. it's it's frightening but i think where we do see a ray of hope is that there's many more groups in civil society who are pushing

back more politicians who are pushing back today in parliament president steinmeier was open about it and this openness is what's important to it doesn't make it go away but to acknowledge that it's a real problem for him to say to the israeli president i wish i could tell you we've learned from history but i'm not sure we have right and if that's the point of hope we got a bit of a minute left i want to ask you about the peace plan for the middle east i mean it's a huge topic. how does how do you see it sitting into any any attempt to. peace what struck me is that there were no members of representing the palestinians yesterday or the white house when this announcement was made. how did you read that but there were representatives of several arab countries there from the emirates. i think things are changing in the middle east

it's a plan something out on the table there hasn't even been anything concrete to talk about for a while of course we can debate the merits. weaknesses the strengths the important things to start talking again for everyone to start saying to the palestinians we need you to be at the table we need you to be negotiators and to recognize that there are major shifts in the arab world something else that happened and it's this week the american jewish committee was in with the world muslim council we have been on the night it was amazing we had dozens of people from the muslim world acknowledging and sharing the grief and i think that's the moment of hope and the sign that maybe something will happen with the peace plan did you burger with the american jewish committee as always it's great talking with you thank you for taking the time to talk with us tonight thanks in the days almost on the conversation continues online you know where to find us on twitter see them are people.

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