this. is for. beethoven this track. is for. beethoven 202250th anniversary year. i think there's been a lot of. misrepresentation when it comes to feel depressed we didn't extremely very well you rank 100 and 20th out of a 180 cultures of glorious record as it were still things a lot of ignorance and not all 5 chief but i something has to be that you're covering up damaging evidence doesn't it if those ideas are true and has been taken

care of despite promises to respect the rule of law nigeria's government stands accused by the international community of serious human rights abuses my guest this week here in london live mohammed the country's information minister how does he defend against the country's many critics when the evidence of wrongdoing is so compelling. like mohammed welcomes contact song thank you for the human rights record of your administration has been widely condemned by the un western countries your own lawyers international human rights bodies for brutality and the stunning lack of accountability why do you go on and why didn't you get a grip on this. i think there's been

a lot of. misrepresentation by all these groups absolutely really working concert well or you know that working constant they're working you know a little but i know for a fact that the censors are in particular has been very sensitive to the issue of human rights most sometimes terrorists politicians activists i confused with human rights so you put it all down to confusion i would do that because i do not know as a fact and i've been minister for almost 5 years that this any policy of my mistress. has deliberately targeted at infringing on anybody's

rights missed the last september the un special rapporteur on extrajudicial summary or arbitrary executions i've been a scholar mark she launched a damning report on nigeria i'm sorry and the human rights abuses of your security forces she said she spoke of countrywide patterns of abuses include the police military's excessive use of lethal lethal force in violation of the political international standards i'm sure you read the report page is not a person who makes these accusations lightly indeed i did but i would have been much more impressed if example was. i given now you must not forget that language has been locked in a war of attrition with a book for almost a decade and the pain of. war we are fighting

is a war amongst people. and. even then the military has been very careful to ensure that as much as possible writes i know about it now i've also read about the reports of people who claim that there isn't balloted simply because they have been arrested by any of the security agencies and they've been asked to go through or due process but i support to see this government does nobody today but is right if it's not a matter of policy why have there been so few investigations the un investigators spoke about the absence of meaning effective investigations the absence of meaningful prosecution all of which are compounded she said by the lack of transparency over the vast majority of security issues that accusation about

lack of transparency and the fact of communications strategy goes straight to your door minister doesn't it you are the minister of information serious criticism here but what i do know as a fact that. several. keys of abuse of you know rights kelly against soldiers of not only be investigated but people have been punished and have been made public how many how many people i don't know of had but i knew the minister of information was of course i can't know everything but i knew for i know that the military also is very jealous of his repetition and they have set up many says you know. i also and i think that officer either had been dismissed or imprisoned. the international

criminal court isn't isn't impressed by a record that says in 20000 there was a reasonable basis to believe that the nigerian security forces committed the war crimes of murder torture cruel treatment outrages upon personal dignity and intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population but you have failed to cooperate with investigators and failed to provide information that they requested and if you take these things seriously and you cannot but take the word of the international criminal court seriously you would have provided that information why didn't you how do you know what information they are asking for a lawyer provided by another would incorporate in it's a brief history when they come to they say they weren't they weren't getting help from you they weren't getting the information they nor that the i.c.c. . met with the authorities in a career and we would have no choice but to cooperate they've been waiting for

years to get your cooperation and it hasn't come minister maybe you're out of the loop here what maybe you don't have information about what's going on in your own government and very. ill formed or goes oh my god meant and i'll sell adelaide i do take the trouble to ask and. i'm not i'm not aware that we have we don't our cooperation from the i.c.c. the un special rapporteur speaks of countless allegations of excessive use of force by your police in particular officers of the special anti robbery squad or saw as you said you wanted specific examples is a specific examples they've been accused of widespread torture in some cases leading to deaths in custody and extra judicial killings so the unit is clearly out of control isn't it because the un human rights committee warned your government to ensure that this group operates in accordance with international standards because

they don't trust that it's doing that at the moment why would that be i guess that i think i'm aware of that and at a point in time when the support came out the sas was disbanded and or little because stupid and evil weren't that as forth they must. be sure that they operated within the confines of the law your own national human rights commission investigated their activities and even held public hearings but the results were never published were. not aware that the river them are not aware that i was on what are published and i took my assumption has to be that you're covering up damaging evidence doesn't it with your friends i don't think so we have . some police men were dismissed then sas was disbanded and reorganized there after. minister on the question

of providing information to outside investigators you failed to provide information to the u.n. under the international covenant on civil and political rights which nigeria has signed last august the treaty body accused you of failing to honor your reporting obligations under article 40 of the covenant and ignoring numerous reminders to do self why is that when you told me all cooperating so openly with these bodies why would they say that what the housing truth i want to know that they will say that but i know that we have never shown any internationalization we are very open as to the facts i was not her she was much as possible for any country who is in a with an internal you know. he is a jesse

a very open and we we operate with international you know regulations and laws well clearly you don't go into the bodies that monitor these situations well it depends upon it it depends on from what perspective they get to the information where they're getting it from different perspectives and then we're talking about human rights organizations international human rights organizations we're talking about the u.n. we're talking about. all kinds of bodies the international criminal court they're all saying the same thing that you're not cooperating and you sit here in front in front of me a minister says about simply not true it's like saying it's dark in the south side when we can see it's very like no no i think that knowledge is not correct i ignore the daily we receive we entertain and we engage all these bodies. as a government and you're not going to move from that version despite the evidence

that i have quite a level of i'm yet to see any be any evidence that tampa. that is so very large and white and if israel in that after not responded to it when he talked about sus yes admitted that yes it will be pursued report and we took action mr whether or not stonewalling on requests for information or taking radio stations of the air and having reporters arrested or beaten june last year you tried shutting down nigeria's oldest private t.v. channel as well as radio stations owned by a member of the opposition p.d.p. rayment dock pacey a federal court overturned your suspension but the nigerian guild of editors called this a barbaric crackdown on free speech why are you launching a barbaric crackdown on free speech i think is a lot of ignorance and a lot of this chief geddes has gone already talking about of really good the press

is station was closed down because he ordered the national red little not because of the news he was pushing out and in january last year soldiers raided the offices of one of your leading papers the daily trust and arrested reporters in march a journalist have been held for 2 years was rearrested you rank 100 and 20th out of 180 countries in the press freedom in the acts of reporters without borders it's not a glorious record is it minister well i think when it comes to the level of the press . we're doing extremely very well if papers run foul of the law the must visit consequences but when you have actually a 100 newspapers in a country and i cited the example one is pivotal squadron with here i think should be fair to us that we have a very robust free press amnesty international says that between january and

september last year at least 19 journalists and media practitioners were attacked those attacks including verbal and physical assault and indiscriminate arrest and detention by your security forces in the impression ministers therefore that your aim seems to be to stifle freedom of expression especially critical voices you don't like criticism that's the correct is it because i think many of these people don't live on that don't know the eco system of the media in injury virtually every major you know print media is owned by individuals and i can tell you that this they had a list of all 12 national newspapers and trust their literacy i thought i don't quite remember what the story was but you cannot take the example of one newspaper among about 20 to say that the country is stably in the media on the contrary at

a point in time i felt that was the government was actually at the receiving end of the media what has also worried people enormously his decision to submit a bill which in its original form would have seen anyone convicted of so-called hate speech actually sentenced to death by hanging on the particular circumstances you actually wanted and you sort authorization from parliament to kill people because of something they said why would you do a thing like that extraordinary and shocking provision at a what is the right. the ignorance of people there's what is cause oppression of power in order in a democracy is this but you can't be talking about is a bill submitted not by designating about the legislation by the listed even of government so how can you accuse the executive. you submitted you submitted this we

did not as is also the thought of ignoring us we did not this this is a private member's bill by a senator with just the yes and you're telling me you didn't want it to go through is that we do have a choice in which bills go through or not the bill has been discussed this public airing what is it the government does not commonly do when the bill a bill passed and you didn't use any influence together. so absolutely none if this bill had gone through minister journalist could have been jailed for any article deemed threatening abusive or insulting and could have been hung if their work caused any loss of life what you didn't object to this bill that you ignored as if as to what what is called dodging of the penal power. the only thing you can do as president is refuse your asset so it's a lot the last blood being passed the blood what would not or did it but desire to

keep the law is still going through the senate so how is that how did i just miss the president stopped it would have been accused of no dictatorship and muslim the you telling me you wouldn't have signed the law with that provision in it i think this you can tell me that caylee had been speculative you can tell us why when we went we get when we get that bridge right across it would look at what are the contents of that law in what form will it be passed but you see people rushed in order to history to judge to judge when you can't if we don't have one you said we submitted that that bill we did not we know nothing other than wanted submit it knew we don't micromanage the parliament really what about the protection from internet for sword and manipulations bill also carrying draconian provisions on the journalists could be in prison and who for publishing content all the author of that bill are you against this bill or not i'm not even aware of that bill you're

not of the protection from internet falso the manipulations bill you're not even aware of now where it. so i cannot because it is causing it's causing an outcry internationally and you are the minister of information and i had nothing about this nor thought bill before the house there is a bill i can say that averted that it is really there is not such a bill before the house reporters without borders said these bills talking about the prohibition of hate speech bill and the protection from internet falso the manipulations bill and they said these bills contain extremely harsh penalties that violate international law and are likely to be used to gag the media and you are saying you know nothing about the doctors saying with you were wrong in saying that the submitted the heat speak bill mr let's talk about corruption because in your country it seems to begin with the government doesn't it the international center for investigative reporting said last year that among 9

countries in sub-saharan africa nigeria has the worst managed sovereign wealth fund based on accountability transparency and oversight why is your record so bad absolutely false. absolutely false report by the national resource institute's africa office based on data from 2017 said you had failed to regularly disclose publicly the financial interests of government officials in the extractive sector or the identities of beneficial owners of extractive companies despite making public commitments to do so this obviously forces the 1st thing you do on the 1st obligation as a minister a public official is way too little it probably declare ration of oil assets. and any minister public official who does not do so risks being prosecuted and we nor many who are not been prosecuted as a result of that too is to the credit of this administration that only if you

months ago we passed you know we put in the in place a policy that compels every ministry every department to make public any expenditure above 10000 past so that the public can challenge what is being spent for is all a bit of a position that no government has ever succeeded in securing the condition of high profile politicians adams tradition as paid those of the move belong to the william party we continue to fight corruption because and you for and you follow the rules do absolutely so in 2018 why in towards the close of president bush his 1st wives of the auditor general himself raise serious concerns about the so-called excess crude account that you have this is an oil savings account which holds dollar reserves from crude oil that are sold above the assumed benchmark price and

in july that year the auditor general warned you to bring your handling of this account into line with the more why if you tell me follow the rules if you feel the need to say this is precisely because. he said it shows how trusting courage dems are shown is delivered there as an appointee of just how shocking he thinks your behavior actually is no us nor on the contrary relays shows the level of transparency in demonstration that an appointee of god plenty can say this yet retain his job he noted there have been actions from the account which appeared to have been made illegally in other words deductions that apparently violated constitutional provisions why would that be and why would he say that if you're following the rules as you tell me you are everywhere in the world to live in the most with no democracies you have what it is generous you have what would it be

generous yes yes and their duty is to monitor the excesses of government not the part that is allowed to do the job and the sciri mince in office i think is testament to the fact that we're only belittles bread in the abstraction the effect if mr one congratulations for the 1st album god for as good as or as i get from you as as i were supposed to know not just as i'm from the auditor general who says you're not in line with the law with that you don't think that matters are prejudice to the. to the correctness or not of that you know. the fact that he can make that allegation submit each it's been looked into and is to remember that or as i think it's that will happen in a day and station that does not believe interest me says the audit team could find no legal authority for even the existence of this excess crude account so it's

a sham and a slush fund isn't it but i don't buy don't you admit it. and whitaker yeah there's no legal basis for this for this account but you know i don't think it's correct to say that this normally would be what because the quid. is a cult i've known about it even before we came to government. it said the audit team could find no legal authority for even the existence of this excess crude account how come you didn't order persistent warnings from the auditor general as he said year after year not just your government but the previous one going back to 2007 to bring this in line with the law again you tell me you follow the rules but it's not backed up by the auditor general we followed the rules and like even that allegation even that is correct the all idea of an auditor general is to point out to you what you are doing wrong unfortunately to write i don't see any go bang deewar that is all we always follow the law will do everything correctly but

as you get the fund that that original recommend report and nothing has happened is still in office yes and what you continue to make illegal deductions from the account what a deposit what you made a good look at the illegal doctrine deductions that violated constitutional provisions it's not you see if a god member list concessional provision it is the little duty of parliament to take appropriate action but i don't believe that we do responsibility of the government if it cares about the people's money to mend its ways and oh of course and will but that's if you had lived that you have evil bolleter the law did the laws but what are some sins and yes they are truly out of alfonse i'm normal is the all essence of what the genera anywhere in the world that they will be checks and balances and not be as does what will put it out here is that there are some regularities and then the appropriate you know i am of god mental who did it for so

what are you going to do in future about this i'm sure it has been and if he what are you going to do those alligators are true and has been taken care of but hasn't been in these been reporting and complaining about the government's attitude to the subject since 2007 well just as the un has been complaining that you haven't been giving information about. and excesses of violence used by your security forces as the international criminal court has been complaining all these complaints are piling up minister what are you going to do in the future. we don't walk we look at every complicit we look at our and they have and we take action like i've told you that when several. many military officers are been jailed some have been dismissed and it's now interests global witness says despite a 50 year all boom which transform the jury's economy into the largest in africa 80

percent of your people live on less than $2.00 a day they say that an estimated $400000000000.00 has gone missing from state coffers are going to tell the people of nigeria where their money is gone. and our watch between 2015 and 20 later nobody can supply suffered in such allegations and i can only speak for well again minister and i can see that between 25th and today nobody can talk about all the money missing. my mama thanks very much for being so thank you very much.

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