they were systematically robbed by the nazis. and after the war there were no signs of compensation. for collectors of arcata and else saw my. today researchers are searching for the missing parts of our. process for just such a dark. star tribune return on t.w. . i think there's been a lot of. misrepresentation when it comes to the double depressed we did extremely very well you rank 120th out of 180 countries of glorious record is that list of things of a lot of ignorance and not talk by this chief the assumption has to be that you're covering up damaging evidence presented it doesn't give us

a clue and has been taken care of despite promises to respect the rule of law nigeria's government stands accused by the international community of serious human rights abuses my guest this week here in london is live mohammad the country's information minister how does he defend against the country's many critics when the evidence of wrongdoing is so compelling. like mohammed welcomes called it so thank you for the human rights record of your administration has been widely condemned by the un western countries your own lawyers international human rights bodies for brutality and the stunning lack of accountability why do you see this go on in the region and why didn't you get a grip on this. i think there's been

a lot of. misrepresentation by all these groups absolutely really working concert well or you know they're working constant or they're working you know a little but i know for a fact that dissension in particular has been very sensitive to the issue of human rights most sometimes terrorists politicians activists i confused with human rights so you put it all down to confusion i would do that because i do not know as a factor i've been minister for almost 5 years that this any policy of my mistress . that deliberately targeted at infringing on anybody's

rights missed the last september the un special rapporteur on extrajudicial summary or arbitrary executions agnus kalama she launched a damning report on nigeria i'm sorry and the human rights abuses of your security forces she said that she spoke of countrywide patterns of abuses include the police military's excessive use of lethal lethal force in violation of the political international standards i'm sure you read the report and she is not a person who makes these accusations lightly well indeed i did but i would up be much more impressed if example was. i given now you must not forget that language has been locked in in a war of attrition with a book for almost a decade and the kind of. war we're fighting

is a war amongst people. and. even then the military has been very careful. to assure that as much as possible writes i know about it it now i've also read about the reports of people who claim that there isn't balloted simply because they have been arrested by any of the security agencies and they've been asked to go through or due process but i know their support to see this government does nobody today but is right if it's not a matter of policy why have there been so few investigations the u.n. investigator spoke about the absence of meaning effective investigations the absence of meaningful prosecution all of which are compounded she said by the lack of transparency over the vast majority of security issues that accusation about

lack of transparency and effective communication strategy goes straight to your door minister doesn't it you are the minister of information serious criticism here but what i do know is a fact that. several keys of abuse of you know rights kelly against soldiers have not only be investigated but people have been punished and have been made public how many how many people i don't know off yet but i knew the minister of information was of course i can't know everything but i knew for i know that the military or so is very jealous of his reputation and they have set up many say you know. i also and i think that offers up i've been dismissed or imprisoned. the international criminal court isn't isn't impressed by a record that says in 2018 there was

a reasonable basis to believe that the nigerian security forces committed the war crimes of murder torture cruel treatment outrages upon personal dignity and intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population but you have failed to cooperate with the investigators and failed to provide information that they requested and if you take these things seriously and you cannot but take the word of the international criminal court seriously you would have provided that information why didn't you how would you know what information they are asking for a lawyer provided by another would incorporate in with a brief aegis history when they come to they say they weren't they weren't getting help from you they were getting them from the hay nor the to the i.c.c. . met with the authorities had a career and we would have no choice but to cooperate they've been waiting for

years to get your cooperation and it hasn't come minister maybe you're out of the loop here what maybe you don't have information about what's going on in your own government and very. informed or go so my government and ourselves at least i do take the trouble to ask and. i'm not sure that is a good i'm not aware that we have we don't our cooperation from the i.c.c. the un special rapporteur speaks of countless allegations of excessive use of force by your police in particular officers of the special anti robbery squad or saw as you said you wanted specific examples was a specific examples they've been accused of widespread torture in some cases leading to deaths in custody and extra judicial killings so the unit is clearly out of control isn't it because the un human rights committee warned your government to ensure that this group operates in accordance with international standards because

they don't trust that it's doing that at the moment why would that be. i think i'm aware of that and at a point in time when to the part came out the sas was disbanded and only to believe constituted and you know weren't as forth they must. be sure that they operated within the confines of the law your own national human rights commission investigated their activities and even held public hearings but the results were never published were. not aware that the river i'm i'm not aware that it was on what are published and little mother assumption has to be that you're covering up damaging evidence doesn't it which you referred to i don't think so we have. some police men were dismissed then tad science was disbanded and reorganized there after. minister on the question

of providing information to outside investigators you failed to provide information to the u.n. under the international covenant on civil and political rights which nigeria has signed last august the treaty body accused you of failing to honor your reporting obligations under article 40 of the covenant and ignoring numerous reminders to do so why is that when you tell me your cooperating so openly with these bodies why would they say that what the housing true i want to know why they would say that but i know that we have never shown any internationalization we are very open as to the facts i was not her she was not as possible for any country who is in a with an internal fighting you know it is a jesse

a very open and we we operate with international you know regulations and laws well clearly you don't go into the body is that monitor these situations well it depends upon it it depends on from which perspective they're getting the information we're getting it from different perspectives and then we're talking about human rights organizations international human rights organizations we're talking about the u.n. we're talking about. all kinds of bodies the international criminal court they're all saying the same thing that you're not cooperating and you sit here in front in front of me a minister says about simply not true it's like saying it's darkness outside when we can see it's very like no no no i think that knowledge is not correct i ignore the daily we receive we entered and we engage all of these bodies. as a government and you're not going to move from that version despite the evidence

that i have qualified lev i'm yet to see anybody any evidence that tampa. that is so very unlike a white as official in that as not responded to it when he talked of a sudden c.s.i. admitted that yes it will be pursued to report and we took action minister when you ought not stonewalling on requests for information or taking radio stations off the air and having reporters arrested or beaten june last year you tried shutting down nigeria's oldest private t.v. channel as well as radio stations owned by a member of the opposition p.d.p. raymond doc pacey a federal court overturned your suspension but the nigerian guild of editors called this a barbaric crackdown on free speech why you launching a barbaric crackdown on free speech i think is a lot of ignorance and a lot of this chief geddis is going over it all in

a bell read the press is station was closed down because he ordered the national read little not because of the news it was pushing out and in general last year soldiers raided the offices of one of your leading papers the daily trust and arrested reporters in march or journalists have been held for 2 years was rearrested you rank 100 and 20th out of $180.00 countries in the press freedom in the acts of reporters without borders it's not a glorious record is that when the well as i think when it comes to the level of the press. we're doing extremely very well if papers run foul of the law the must visit consequences but when you have actually a 100 newspapers in a country i know a 2nd example one newspaper out of school dine with me here i think should be fair to us that we have a very robust free press amnesty international says that between january and

september last year at least 19 journalists and media practitioners were attacked those attacks including verbal and physical assault and indiscriminate arrest and detention by your security forces in the impression ministers therefore that your aims seems to be to stifle freedom of expression especially critical voices you don't like criticism that's the current is it because i think many of these people don't live on that don't know the eco system of the media in injury virtually every major you know print media is owned by individuals and i can tell you that this they had a list of about 12 national newspapers and trust daily trust i thought i don't quite remember what the story was but you cannot take the example of one newspaper among about 20 to say that the country is stifling the media on the contrary at

a point in time i thought that was the government it was actually at the receiving end of the media what has also worried people enormously his decision to submit a bill which in its original form would have seen anyone convicted of so-called hate speech actually sentenced to death by hanging on the particular circumstances you actually wanted and you sort authorization from parliament to kill people because of something they said why would you do a thing like that extraordinary and shocking provision at a what is the right. as eager as of people there's what is cause oppression of power in order in a democracy is this particular be talking about is it bill submitted not by designating body legislation by the listed even of government so how can you accuse the executive you submitted you submitted this we did not as is also the sort of

ignorance we did not this is a private member's bill but as senator we just the you have this and you're telling me you didn't want it to go through is that we do we have a choice in which bills to go through or not the bill is been discussed this public airing what is it the government does not commit to when the bill has been passed and you didn't use any influence together. so absolutely none if this bill had gone through minister journalist could have been jailed for any article didn't threatening abusive or insulting and could have been hung if their work caused any loss of life what you didn't object to this bill that you ignored as if as to what what is called the tree of subpoena power. the only thing you can do as president is refuse your asset such a lot the last blood being passed the blood what would not or death or but desire

to keep the law is still going through the senate so how is that how did i does mr president stop it with i've been accused of not dictatorship and muslim the you telling me you wouldn't have signed the law with that provision in it i think this you can tell me that caylee had been speculative you can't tell me why when we went we get when we get that bridge not because it would look at what are the contents of that law in what form will it be passed but you see people rushed in order to history to judge to judgement you can't if we don't have one you said we submitted that that's bill we did not we know nothing other than wanted submit it we don't micromanage the parliament building what about the protection from internet for sword and manipulations bill also carrying draconian provisions on the journalists could be in prison and who for publishing content all the author of that bill are

you against this bill or not i'm not even aware of that bill you're not i'm the protection from internet falso the manipulations bill you're not even aware of now where it so i can't because it is causing it's causing an outcry internationally and you are the minister of information and i laughing about as nor thought bill before the house there is a bill i can say that a converted that had to believe there is no such a bill before the house reporters without borders these bills talking about the prohibition of hate speech bill and the protection from internet falso the manipulations bill they said these bills contain extremely harsh penalties that violate international law and are likely to be used to gag the media and you are saying you know nothing about the doctors saying with they were wrong in saying that the desert him submitted the hate speech bill. mr let's talk about corruption because in your country it seems to begin with the government doesn't it the international center for investigative reporting said last year that among 9

countries in sub-saharan africa nigeria has the worst managed sovereign wealth fund based on accountability transparency and oversight why is your record so bad absolutely false. absolutely false report by the national resource institute's africa office based on data from 2017 said you had failed to regularly disclose publicly the financial interests of government officials in the extractive sector or the identities of beneficial owners of extractive companies despite making public commitments to do so the subsidy forces the force to do the 1st obligation as a minister a public official is way too little it probably declare edition of oil assets. and any minister public official who does not do so risks being prosecuted and we know many who are not been politically as a result of that too is to the creator of this administration that only

a few months ago we passed you know we put in the in place a policy that compels every ministry every department to make public any expenditure above 10000 past saw that the public can challenge what is being spent for his all the good of a obsession that nor government has ever succeeded in securing the condition of high profile politicians adams tradition and spread those of them who belong to the ruling party we continue to fight corruption because and you for and you follow the rules do absolutely so in 2018 why in towards the close of president will his 1st wives or the auditor general himself raise serious concerns about the so-called excess crude account that you have this is an oil savings account which holds dollar reserves from crude oil that are sold above the assumed benchmark price and

in july that year the auditor general warned you to bring your handling of this account into line with the more why if you tell me to follow the rules did he feel the need to say this is precisely because he said it shows how to articulate their decision is the editor there are is an appointee of just how shocking he thinks your behavior actually is no us nor on the contrary real issues the level of transparency in demonstration that an appointee of god plenty can't say this yet retain his job he noted that the actions from the account which appeared to have been made illegally in other words deductions that apparently violated constitutional provisions why would that be and why would he say that if you're following the rule. as you tell me you are everywhere in the world to live in the most with no democracies you have what it is generous you have what would it

a generous yes yes and their duty is to monitor the excesses of government now the father has allowed to do the job and the sea remains in office i think it's a testament to the fact that we're really britain's bread you know instruction the effect if the mystic one congratulations for that or even further i am going to get as far as i get from you as as i was supposed to know not just as i'm from the auditor general who says you're not in line with the law but with that you don't think that matters outside you destroy the. to the correctness or not of that you know. the fact that he can make that allegation submit it is built into understeer of middle daughter and i think it's that will happen in a day and station that does not believe it has been says the audit team could find no legal authority for even the existence of this excess crude account so it's

a sham and a slush fund isn't it but i don't buy don't you admit it and with that yeah there's no legal basis for this for this account and you know i don't think it's correct to say that this normally would be as well because the. cult have known about it even before it came to government. it said the audit team could find no legal authority for even the existence of this incessant crude account how come you didn't or persistent warnings from the auditor general as he said year after year not just your government but the previous one going back to 2007 to bring this in line with the law again you tell me you follow the rules but it's not backed up by the auditor general we followed the rules and like even that allegation even that arthur is correct the all idea of an auditor general is to point out to you what do i do wrong and for you to do it right i don't see any government the war that is

all we always follow the law will do everything correctly but as a signal to fund that that original comment the report and nothing else is thin office yes and what you continue to make illegal deductions from the account what it depends what you made a good look at the illegal doctrine deductions that violated constitutional provisions it's not easy if if it does member list concessional provision it is the little ditty of the parliament to take appropriate action but i don't believe that we do sponsibility the government if it cares about the people's money to mend its ways and oh of course and will but that's if you had lived that you have even belittled a lot of the laws but what from sins and yes they are today out of alfonso my normal is the all essence of what the generac anywhere in the word that there will be checks and balances and ali as does what will put it out here is that there are some regularities and then the appropriate you know i am of god mental who did it for so what are you going to do in future about this one should that be and if he

what are you going to do those alligators are true and has been taken care of but hasn't been in these been reporting and complaining about the government's attitude to the sick since 2007 well just as the un has been complaining that you haven't been giving information about top. and excesses of violence used by your security forces as the international criminal court has been complaining all these complaints are piling up minister what are you going to do in the future when we stonewall we look at every calm place we look at our of the air and we take action like i've told you there been several yes many managers are been jailed some have been dismissed and it's now interests global witness says despite a 50 year all boom which transformed nigeria's economy into the largest in africa

80 percent of your people live on less than $2.00 a day they say that an estimated $400000000000.00 has gone missing from state coffers are you going to tell the people of nigeria where their money has gone. under our watch between 20152980 nobody can subsist suffered in such allegation and i can only speak for when i became minister and i can see the good in that between 1015 and 20 nobody can talk about all the money missing. my mama thanks very much for being accomplished so thank you very much.

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