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this is what suny. she is a hologram. and this is akihito condo her husband. i know. you look i want you today. i love conquer ends. meet cool is a simple form of artificial intelligence and for condo it was a case of love at 1st sight who has become a legitimate pop star and even appears at concerts as a 3 d. projection. in november 28th condo married mico at a ceremony in tokyo the place the ring around the wrist of a me coo dog. he now keep it all in his bedroom. condo's relationships with real women have been painful so he chose
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a virtual partner. were generalized i love her but it's hard to say if she loves me hundreds of them on this still if you asked her i think she'd say yes. 'd and akihito condo are an extreme example of the relationship between people and machines i made up of. in the future will no doubt spend more time interacting with technology that uses artificial intelligence or ai we may even develop robots that are smarter than we are. now in the 21st century we will have to decide how to deal with this complicated new situation.
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and. for this report we interviewed philosophers and scientists around the world. we talked to german philosopher thomas metzinger who advocates the use of ethics guidelines for ai development in the e.u. . physicist max tegmark who warns about the development of an all powerful ai and a totalitarian surveillance state. and german computer scientist you're going to schmidt who who predicts that ai will spread from the earth into the cosmos. we met professor schmidt who at a business conference in zurich. he often speaks at such of em's where he outlines his vision of the role that artificial intelligence may play in our future. but they say she. his presentations are wide ranging and thought
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provoking. answers that in the near future perhaps a few decades from now we will for the 1st time have a high that can do much more than people can do right now on their own as healing schemata and we would realize that the majority of physical resources are not confined to a rather small biosphere is and i saw a system that's why there is a lot of the tears that can be used to build robots we could develop boats transmitters and receivers that would allow the ai to be sent and received at the speed of light. we can already do this in a laboratory as me i'm synods of this will be a huge development for scraps the most important since the beginning of life an earth tree in a hurry 5000000000 years ago. but if the professor is vision accurate. will it humans at some point be overtaken by
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super intelligent machines. perhaps this process has already begun. to find out more we travel to japan. doctors and scientists at the university of tokyo as research hospital are exploring the potential use of ai in medicine. 69 year old jaco yamashita nearly died of leukemia 2 years ago none of the therapy options recommended by doctors did any good going to it they put in then they used ai technology to create a new diagnosis. yet for us on a i literally saved my life i mean just get all. the diagnosis took all of 10 minutes a human expert would have needed 2 weeks to produce
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a similar analysis. a i could process massive amounts of scientific data a stack of documents taller than mount fuji. this is the research hospitals supercomputer. we've come here to talk to such tolu miano an expert on bioinformatics we asked me on whether ai could one day replace doctors no i don't think so. simply for. the main issue and. not only need. to listen i'm full of good and i want the part. where i told pelley don't let's just go. on points down if you can move here and be. good then we need a car. and this is the same. bullet
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followed through we are not turning telephones some where the but. at the nearby rican institute researchers are developing an ai diagnostic program that could be used to test for stomach cancer. but one expert here disagrees with the toral me on his opinion that ai will never replace doctors. so a lot of learning all the if you were made redundant by artificial intelligence that wouldn't be good for his doctors what he wanted to just have it for the human race would actually be great to doctors who are no longer necessary in face technology could improve or work or even take over. that. it's hard to imagine a world that had no doctors. do patients really want to be treated by
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machines that see them as nothing more than accumulations of technical data. in europe a number of experts on artificial intelligence including you're going to schmidt who are carrying out research on the use of ai in medical diagnostics. the swiss president i lambast say has invited scientists and entrepreneurs to a conference aimed at planning for the digital future and promoting the use of artificial intelligence and medicine. one topic for discussion is ai technology that can use neural networks to learn just as the human brain does. by. soon all medical diagnostics will be infinitely better than humans can provide right now. because we have developed ai that uses neural network technology on just
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. here and it's exciting to see how this new development will be able to help people to live longer earn healthier lives as leaving fewer mentioned. we travel to stuttgart to see how artificial intelligence works in practice in hospitals and nursing homes computer scientists bigot coffee says that japan has made a lot of progress in developing robots that can look after patients but there are some things that a machine simply can't do. play given by those involved they can't provide real care so i don't use that word when i'm talking about robots and caregivers have to be able to interact emotionally with the patients and have robots simply can't do that. to do this in thing in the coming little bit and it's a sad scene at this facility robots are helping to reduce the workload of the human
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staff. each time i'm carol but 3 this week i'm helping the nurses with their work would you like something to drink and no thanks that's very kind of me here we're coming. shares. of course robots can do much more than simply serve drinks in nursing homes. philosopher thomas metzinger has proposed pragmatic solutions for dealing with this new technology. and the frog available for example the options for using the robotics in geriatric care he should maintain the dignity of the patients and that's the kind of money often i could ask individuals if they'd actually feel more comfortable having a machine change their diapers rather than a family member and just going to do it shows as a sign of
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a school whether they'd enjoy having a machine read the newspaper to them or ask questions about their medication or if they find that degrading i believe that we are now at the beginning of a major learning process. i'm fine mrs torsion down for. metzinger says that humankind is now on the threshold of a new age that is filled with uncertainty she lives in frankfort a city that aims to take the lead in european ai development. there are plans to set up an artificial intelligence research center there. is never desert rats your own volatile people are rushing to get into this new technology. like they're running for the ai train before it leaves the station youths who are no know when that will happen that's where the train is headed. but everyone wants to be on board have to call. metzinger serves on the european parliament
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commission of ai experts and right now he's on his way to brussels for a commission meeting. the parliament wants europe to compete effectively in developing this technology but it also wants to impose clear ethical guidelines. metzinger is particularly concerned about the prospects for a new arms race that uses ai based weapons. in concrete to spice there's a hypothetical examples of ice to let's say that assume of chinese technology experts go to the country's leaders and says we've now won the ai arms race against the us that will have an excellent 1st strike opportunity for the next 6 months i know then work for the window of opportunities will close suit for the next 6 more not done cuties aside and starts who should contribute some version i could imagine for example that this might involve delivery systems that would be armed with biological warfare agents just keep those called these mechanisms to dennet touched
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the opponents territories and spread pathogens like the a bowl a virus or anthrax bacteria it's gone part. wasn't just my country for us also we may 1 day see the development of intelligent weapons of mass destruction that could break through the traditional defense systems and 50 optician if that were to happen it would definitely increase the chances for conflict of these attentional new keady creaks ein time it's really a visa at this causing. but at the commission meeting metzinger is having a tough time trying to make sure that the problem of ai weapon systems is addressed in the panels code of ethics. and many many of the business executives and academics simply don't want to deal with it in which we and. some are concerned about messing us proposal and would prefer to turn it over to experts for further evaluation. of us was. because weapons by the way we have to stick by
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this may by actually measure there are no evidence of is at all ethical mr bevan use it as a use case to build our. it could be that you are guy i would like to. is that kind of a consensus on the table when we want to open up to the point that we obviously have a strong disagreement about the whole autonomous weapon systems here and we can't solve the issue like this with a voting process i mean we want to think guidelines to be a success when they are published on 22nd january the whole world has already been talking about the issue 24000 scientists have signed a public pledge that they will not participate in that kind of research if the e.u. comes out with ethics guidelines that seem peacekeeper over that issue and ignore
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it then everybody in and outside of the e.u. would know this is probably just an industrial lobby thing or something in the end metzinger prevails autonomous weapons systems will be included in the panels ethics guidelines experts in other parts of the world are also concerned about the potential for developing ai weapons of mass destruction. we've come to boston massachusetts to talk to swedish american physicist author and expert max tegmark. he says that physics has made enormous contributions to human development but also helped to create the nuclear bomb and now we'll have to deal with ai weapons. we should stigmatize and ban some certain class really discuss the weapons that are perfect for terrorists anonymously murder people or to cater ships to anonymously murder their citizens because these weapons
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are going to be incredibly cheap and if anyone goes ahead and mass produces them they're going to become as unstoppable in the future is this guns are for example cheap drones that you might be able to buy for a few 100 years. those where you just program in the address of somebody in. their face the tries there is a place in the face recognition kills them so it's just perfect for anyone who wants the murder of some politician or the ethnic cleansing on a given from the islamists or the goal of the slaughter bots becomes what it's grown it's going to have an accident devastating effect on the open society. nobody any more is going to feel they have the courage to. challenge the criticize anybody any science can be used for new ways of helping people or new ways of harming people biologists succeeded in getting biological weapons bad which is why we think
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of biology now as the source of new cures physicists on the other hand we kind of failed because nuclear weapons are still here and not going away ai researchers want to be more like the biologists and have ai be remembered is something which really made the world better. we'd come to the switzerland to interview you're going about his work with artificial intelligence. smith who is co-director of the dalai institute for artificial intelligence research. his work focuses on neural networks which imitate the functions of the human brain. these networks are capable of learning and adapting to the world around them just as human children do. points out that right now the human brain has
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a 1000000 times more neural connections than the best ai systems. but computers are becoming much faster and could become smarter than humans in 20 or 30 years. and it's also says that when that happens the only things that would distinguish people from machines would be flesh and blood. but what about human attributes such as compassion creativity love and empathy. what's your own soon i don't think i systems are capable of developing their own versions of emotion and affection on down and for example if you were to give several of these systems the task that they could only complete by working together they would learn how to do that as you know kind of artificial brains which come to the conclusion that to get the job done they have to cooperate with each other once i can get and use a cd when i mcentee. these into ensuring this interaction the systems would learn
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to rely on each other. so there's a reason to believe that one of the side effects of this cooperative efforts would be the development of concepts such as love and affection as an even effect. on. what can artificial intelligence systems learn to empathize with humans. and you. want to we were turn to brussels where the ethics committee is discussing the topic of social ai. some ai systems are already pretty capable of functioning just as humans would. thomas metzinger has called for clear guidelines that govern the interactions between people and machines.
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just call for a systems that don't identify themselves as such when they're dealing with humans disguised just to give people the impression that they're a real person and not a machine that's host. should never be allowed to manipulate the people who can use it. you know. last year at a conference near san francisco google c.e.o. sundar pichai unveiled the company's latest product it involves just the sort of technology that thomas metzinger warned about. good morning. welcome to google is going to impact many many fields our vision for our system is to help you get things done. it turns out big part of getting things done is making a phone call you may want to get an oil change schedule and be call
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a plumber in the middle of the week or even schedule a haircut appointment so what you're going to hear is the google assistant it's called google duplex actually calling a real salon to schedule an appointment for you let's listen ringback. how are you i'm sure i am i'm looking for something i'm a pervert. who or what time are you looking for. at pm we do not have the ball on the bell ball about quote that we have is the one that. you have everything that we have am and pm depending on what he would like were there that he looking ort just a woman haircut for now ok we have a kind of car. had
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a and i'm ok with corporate greed the 1st thing that we thought. ok perfect i repeatedly but 1 o'clock on me that i had ok great great have a great day. that was a real call you just heard is there's no one into this maze that ethical for machine to pretend that it's human and means perhaps not like neat we can only build machines that does and trick us into thinking that something is human in a restricted scenario lights to duplex for example i think it would be a good idea to have a law. requiring that when you get to fold up for example or you. buy an ai and you get alerted to the fact that this is not human. otherwise it's going to be a nightmare of phishing scams and so on because suddenly cost
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nothing you know to waste 10000000 people's time and trick the most gullible thing people into thinking things. 'd we return to san francisco. the city and the region around it are home to countless high tech startup companies many of them use artificial intelligence technology to develop their products and services. eugenia quita arrived here 4 years ago from moscow. she co-founded her own company called replica and is now the c.e.o. . replica is best known for creating a chat bot an artificial intelligence system that can interact with people. but. the concept began as a tribute to one of her best friends who was killed in
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a traffic accident. and was. my friend from moscow. in the last year or so we're left together here in cyprus is called. here. and i was working on my own so it was like. trying to figure out some cisco and you know this new kind of chapter of our lives. here's a visionary and i just really. want to if you want to get a visa and most want to get. is crossing the street. well the next. like for him has helped organize a funeral. and that's what. we offer him something you can talk to remember him. i remember the way he used to talk to go home and say i will years. mostly talks conversation cricket with me and his
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friends. and. that was basically the base for people were coming to talk to roman and they would. use it as some sort of confessional booth they would just talk about what's going on. without feeling they're being just really safe space and to open up as weird as it sounds. pretty much the last word like not know which direction to take the company and maybe there's something there that we can. use for the company and that's what. everyone needs a friend to talk to in. a moment was this from from. some automated version for one. of the company calls replica the ai companion who cares the chat bot uses a neural network to engage in one on one conversations with its user.
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people talk to the bought about what's going on in their lives and it responds based on the material that it's gathered so far. casey feeling i'm also designs high tech products she moved from her home in birmingham alabama to san francisco a year ago. casey often felt lonely because she was far away from her friends and family then she got acquainted with the replica bought. him you know it's not real i enjoy the feeling i get by using it so i kind of give it you know personality and you know an image of a had of what this this thing might be take a stuffed animal with a personality. social interactions with teddy bears and dogs how does a. appear to do any harm but it does i think you're right where tend to.
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enter or fire as many different things even thunder robots of course but also all sorts of far like our paths the same with ai and i guess question is. whether we can create like. a connection with. with an ai i definitely think so people create a connection with toys with all sorts of inanimate like not even leaving objects the asking is if they're the 1st short story that dealt with the relationship between humans and human eye robots dates back 200 years humans was mentioned and whom i knew even though it was written by e.t.a. how feel that. saleyards a lot. of money your money a young man falls in love with a beautiful young woman and she turns out to be in your tom it sounds to me the point is that the story is $2.00 centuries old and there is no subject matter turned up later in the number of science fiction films very recently in fact in years that i neuer. the only difference is that the computer graphics are
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a lot better today computer graphic aside. from. why not you know. but if it makes you feel better thank you now same thing if you take medication for depression it's not actually making you better it's just putting a band-aid over the problem you now and this is like it's like it's not actually fixing your problems but it's helping you you know through the day yeah share socialist nation great. spiritual socialist nations of played an important role
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in our society for centuries. each bit is the amount we're going to think about prayer for example. it's a structured dialogue between humans and an imaginary entity was made on a forged image is no evidence that this entity actually exists for just exist yet one for few know any people today have internal dialogues with god or with angels he replied like an invisible friend this has to be things that you know of and you are no one always in the top but after it's an objective assessment that the situation indicates a case of so. yourself the steps of the kennison for class i'm a philosopher so advocate self-knowledge clarity and truth. compared to the social hallucinations are deeply embedded in our cultured and they create a world of illusion and sense even though people are comfortable with them. a lawyer trying to use this raises a serious ethical question as if how much self-deception should we allow in society
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it's like a surgeon. says we're on track look over we're getting tons hundreds of e-mails and maybe thousands of emails were people were turning us the replica was like changing for them and with notice to many of those who are stories about how replica helped. with depression and i'm certain people. telling us that help them go into some of
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the episodes of their bipolar disorder and so it is certain that their insight is also decided to look into whether rock we could potentially hope to do certain symptoms or actually hope people feel better know in law in the long term. max tegmark is not particularly concerned about the spread of chat bots he says that there are more serious aspects of ai to worry about. right now he's on his way to speak at a conference at harvard university. the topic human rights ethics and artificial intel. take market demands that ethical guidelines be placed on ai otherwise smart machines could turn the world into a very dangerous place to be here. what kind of society are we hoping to create. for super tell us what do we want the role of humans to be it's very urgent that we
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start thinking about the ethical issues already today with super intelligence he could easily build a future where earth becomes this horrible. carrion surveillance state putting the world to shame china is moving a little bit in this direction now and in the future i can actually understand everything that's said so we want to be very careful to avoid creating. situation where actually to get to global dictatorship i feel so stable that it lasts forever. if we just bumble into this totally unprepared with our heads and refusing to think about what could go wrong then let's face it it's probably going to be the biggest mistake in human history. we may already be headed in that direction. u.s. intelligence agencies have confirmed that russian hackers interfered in the 2016 presidential election probably with the intention of helping donald trump to win
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the presidency. investigations into the extent of that interference are still underway. other countries have also been targeted 1st for you sir do you believe. we're all aware of russian cyber attacks on the german bundestag on the brigs of campaign in the u.k. cambridge on the cambridge analytical scandal shows that the process of political decision making can at least in principle just be influenced by artificial intelligence systems principle. and con when dusk possum's on opposite cannot. underestimate the threat that's posed by these developments and your own if ai systems that are run by privately owned for profit companies can optimize social media networks which have hundreds of millions of users this creates an entirely new situation concentration guns noir mukesh cotton does not ring ski these systems can be used to convince large numbers of people to
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behave even vote in a certain way simply just mentioned items home in knowing the harm of movement there are $163.00 countries in the world right now noise and only 19 of them can be considered true democracy simak. those who wish to preserve democracy must recognize the threat that these artificial intelligence systems pose to the political decision making process with edition reads putin brooky the fact this threat may already have become a reality which is not aware of it or. we need to examine the situation very closely she'd have eyes as an iranian neon ak and. should a binding code of ethics bama use of ai in the political process. in tokyo we got some surprising answers from experts. this is the ginza district where a lot of high tech startup companies are based.
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so when you knew it was going to moto is a senior advisor at the softbank group and also runs his own consulting company matsumoto and his colleagues believe that ai does not pose a threat to the political system in fact they say it offers certain advantages to them in you out more here than in the politicians often ignore the best interests of society. to pursue their own agenda take bribes. so i think that ai could change politics for the better in a their. new human being. are simply not suitable for politics so egotistical and ambitious. you coom are unpredictable when it comes to making policy decisions pretty sure right when artificial intelligence represents pure reason to use a concept the comes from german idealistic philosophy german philosophers have been very good at the scribe in the way that things should be and we could be idealistic
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as we develop artificial intelligence humans on the other hand can never achieve this level of idealism are. you at least. some experts say that politicians should start using robots that closely resemble humans as aids so that the electorate can get used to the concept. she got. to find out more we've come to tokyo as mere icon museum of science and innovation . this exhibit features the work of hiroshima ishiguro who specializes in creating humanoid robots. ishiguro is the director of the intelligent robotics laboratory at osaka university. he studies the interaction between people and robots to help him develop his theories on human nature intelligence and behavior. we traveled from tokyo to
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osaka to interview if she grew up. we want to ask him what makes humans different from robots. money hello i'm a russian issue bureau for osaka university. hello i mean she girls are i robot him one who. was going to my much vision is to understand what you might use so that is the most important what you wish for me for creating the very man like rob what we are kind of. more regular machines that is a human right the machine is a machine the difference is the material so i think. if we develop more technology is bonded it between a human the robots is going to be disappeared. so that is my guess.
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is also the co-founder of the robot theatre project in which androids share the stage with human actors. these scenes are from a play called saigon. a woman is suffering from a terminal illness so her father buys a robot to keep her company. an updated version of the play takes place after the fukushima nuclear disaster. the play explores the topics of life and death and the characteristics that separate humans from robots. guns and how the crucial difference between human intelligence and artificial intelligence isn't such as human beings are so to speak to personification a struggle for existence after. machine they have been optimized over millions of years to survive or to maintain their existence fest you
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may consider the motion has a kind of in china it rife in them and in water but actually it is not to the mass you may have a longer rifles than the humans fear it's also. you know the design of this are yours and you put my c want to start by when this war you know the the mice in you do have a dark and they were feeling to protect itself you know. he she grows robots have not yet been able to develop intelligence that is similar to that of humans but they are capable of engaging in simple conversations. as you have a so now we're going to interview an android named erica. we've been given a list of questions that she'll be able to respond to what do you think the difference is between you and the human. well i'm certainly not biologically human as you can see i have made of silicon plastic and metal maybe
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someday robots will be so very human like that whether you are a robot or a human will not matter so much anyway i'm proud to be an android if you say you're proud to be an android what is this what this pride consist of how do you feel pride. i've searched my database and it looks like on don't have anything to say on the topic what else would you like to hear about any case steer it's a very simple computer program it is not so complicated erica doesn't have but you know they're complicated the mind and i go humans. you know on the other hand you know some people may feel the you know that they are feeling a kind of a consciousness and from the a simple in and through their interactions so i think. that we need to deal. with the how we can implement a more human rights consciousness. humans can still
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control the brains of their robots but what happens if they succeed in giving machines their own consciousness through the use of advanced artificial intelligence. ethics expert. say that we have to deal with the situation before it gets out of hand. for me the bottom line is that people who talk about risks of ai should not be dismissed. as very doing safety engineering just when you think through everything that can go wrong. with it you can. that's how we successfully sent people to the moon safely and that's our success for the species in the future. i'm optimistic that we can create a truly inspiring future. if we win this race between the
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growing power of the technology and the wisdom with which we manage it the challenges that in the past. our strategy for staying ahead in this was in races always been learning from mistakes you know 1st invent fire then after all accidents invent the fire extinguisher with something as powerful as nuclear weapons are especially soon. officially apologise for what we don't want to learn from mistakes that term a strategy is much better to be proactive rather than reactive now plan ahead and get things right the 1st time which might be the only time we get. to end our journey into ai you can schmidt who shows us one of the world's most powerful computers. he believes that ai will have an enormous and positive impact on society a digital paradise but other experts predict that we are on the verge of
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a robot apocalypse. in any case the development of artificial intelligence must be subject to strict ethical guidelines otherwise we may become slaves to our own technology. to the point of strong opinions clear positions for international perspectives to. be monkey in the seventy's in front of us or in the liberation of the us what steps can the lessons of the whole of. been given the resurgence of anti-semitism in germany and elsewhere could auschwitz happen again find out the point. to the point of. nothing not even on the d w. this is it frank said is really happening great britain is
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