collectors are gotten and announced psalm on her 3rd right to steal all the smart works just to get one morning it was to eliminate everything connected to jewish culture today researchers are searching for the missing works of art. it's challenging for the experts. and for the descendants. to someone. who did art the 3rd reich starts feb 10th on t.w. . the world has this week been marking the 75th anniversary of the liberation of the ocean or its death camp in 1945 survivors gave painful testimony of the horror they experienced during the holocaust in nazi occupied poland it's a warning to today's world where in germany and elsewhere hatred and anti semitism are on the really swell question on to the point is remembering auschwitz could it

happen again all. the time. of france very much indeed for joining me here on to the point where my guests in the studio are root for the representative here in germany of the young vashem holocaust remembrance center who says the only safeguard against the evils of auschwitz is for individuals of all backgrounds to remember the power of complicity also with us is albert steinberger i don't chevelle a video maker and producer with both brazilian and german roots he's done a lot of work exploring anti-semitism in argues that yes it could happen again there's huge concern he says about the rise of extremism anti-semitism and hatred and the world welcome to so much he has high overhead of educational services at.

robin's book concentration camp the moral side too says quite plainly no the history will face the consequences. thank you all 3 for being with me today on the show i'd like to begin with you rooted in recent days ceremonies speeches and gatherings very painful testimony from the survivors where have your thoughts taken you in the last couple of days well absolutely it's been a very intense week with events happening. as well as all over the world i. spent a few days. at the ceremony at the faith wild holocaust forum that took place for the 1st time in jerusalem. 45 world leaders presidents prime ministers heads of government kings attended and it was a very sobering event. there was a large contingency of survivors in the room. and it was

a huge demonstration of the. standing together against anti-semitism and bringing all these people together is a testimony to how important this subject is today and it's very important for very many different reasons but one of them is that many of the survivors a large contingent who talks about. elderly people that they they view themselves as a finite group how important is that absolutely crucial the difference between reading a book and sitting opposite a person who's experienced these things themselves who has emerged from the darkest chapter of human history is in comparable we opened last week an exhibition of $75.00 portraits of survivors in essence at the tech itself. the photographs are hung a level and when you look at these people in the face and see the marks of history

on their faces and read the short description of what they went through it's a totally different experience from as i said simply reading the books or watching a film show. you work at the former concentration camp in ravensbruck which is about sort of 90 kilometers i think north of where we are here in the german capital if i'm right lean formed it was a camp that was exclusively for women and i'd like you to tell us what's work you do today what is the aim of the work you do at the camp today for us it's quite important to let people gain knowledge of what happens there so that they will be able to find links to the presence. for me it's a privilege that i have the chance and my colleagues from a team had a chance to meet a lot of survivors for it was a form of women's concentration we still have these wives of 80 to 90 years

old ladies coming over some of them promise to themselves they would never ever would like to. germany and in war but they came back and for me it's quite nice to see that we will have ours and it was a real deliberation and april and we're preparing a program where we hope that a lot of survivors will come. second generation surge generation so this is a place of encounters where the survivors and their stories have their places and it's a place where it's important to confront the german society and others with bystanders issues with the stories of the perpetrators when you talk about confronting german society your or your mantra you or your watch what we just heard is of the top of the show is you know the history or face the consequences to people in germany today know the history do they care i think

a lot of people know some people know and they don't care and there are some people who know a lot but they have their different ideas about the past they. see a lot of nazis know a lot about what happened and they find it ok what happened they come to you they come to your memorial center and they express these views and you are confronted with these views usually we are not confronted with that take some time to find out about nazi ideas among students for instance. because usually the students know from the teachers what they are expected to show up with in the form of concentration camp so i can see the current political shifts we have in our society and with the group. others schoenberger a lot of the work you have done in recent times has been focused on the holocaust on the scourge of anti-semitism why is it so important to you why i think exactly

what kind of a say about the looking at the present. and we have nowadays a rise of the extreme right in the rise of and to semitism and this is quite concerning and i think it was him in rome a crumb who in one of the festivities one of the celebrations said that it's not about only it's not a problem it's about the jewish communities about all of us because we lose the human value when we go through these things and that's the point and that's why we were looking at the events also in trying to put it like in the context of today of anti-semitism and you haven't sent isn't growing not only in germany but you have also in brooklyn people being attacked in the streets in paris so we did a big documentary exactly getting all this angles that actually at the moment a worldwide problem to me a little bit more about the alternative for germany a very very good political party here in germany the far right populist party that is now the strongest opposition party in the german parliament they talk about and

i'm quoting it drawing a line under german history closing the chapter moving on they say we should not wallow in guilt as they put it what's your response to all that i think they go even further because that what they're doing is trying to tell a new narrative about it when they say that they could as the french and as the british they should be proud of their troops in the 2nd world war they're trying to tell another story and that's very dangerous for society and it's very dangerous as well because i think you always will have people that are a minority there are extremes and there are new nazis i mean in every society you have that the problems that when that goes mainstream where debt goes to the parliament and that's what i think the biggest issue in the german society nowadays . route what is your response to the a of 50. quarter. going to the party in some parts of germany. it's

a problem for us and sometimes when i read the sources from the late period of the weimar republic i feel that there are some things in the strategies of the. other right wing organizations which really make me feel about the future because you can read it in the sources from the 920 s. 130 s. how people develop a strategy opening the room the space for bringing in semitic and other ideas and then you can see how this democracy a very young and weak democracy in the 19th twenty's thirty's failed and this should be the point forest to learn the steps right wing strategies go step by step to the direction which makes society.

i absolutely agree i think that looking at the origins of the holocaust is a key aspect that has to be has to be learnt has to be society needs to be aware of how discrimination and semitism all forms of xenophobia can have disastrous consequences and. this is has become a huge part of the work of him which was initially more focused on the holocaust and telling massing as much information what i call turning every stone finding information about every individual who was lost and now a lot more work is being done about anti-semitism trying to understand the origins of what happened and i think that our collectively. sponsibility of course is to. keep aware of these things and and and use the holocaust as a as

a narrative of how things can go terribly well in society and before your talk about the roots of anti-semitism let's listen to what some of the survivors of auschwitz have been saying in recent days. my number is 73305. which i had to shout twice daily. counting. pill you had to shout over a number then to pick up from the 100. i can't even think about it why. why a 9 year old girl who hadn't done anything who hadn't said and why did they murder why i. thought all men are more and more and sometimes when i'm asleep i still dream about it and i scream even though i may be 6 years old now. and like

snow from there from the smoke from the chimneys and. from the cure my cardio and. we just had to. understand that this is what happens. crews have got to come back to you good in the dark turns to me there are so many questions so much bewilderment the nightmares of the of the survivors despite all that the person on the political now you as far as i understand it a year ago decided to become a german to apply for german citizenship and you have become a german some would ask how could you take that step and join this country join these people who have such a shameful past well. i feel actually very proud to be german i've always had an interest in a certain something. yes i think it is and i think that germany has

a lot to be proud of. i. first of all. it's very interesting for me as a jew to now be nudged also be german to have this part of my identity and to be dealing with the holocaust and these issues sort of from the other side or from within in a way and i feel myself as a sort of new immigrant to the country or a story called i'm a stakeholder exactly so i can sort of see it from both perspectives in a way. and i have to say that when i heard president speaking at yad vashem and also at the bundestag yesterday. i felt that my pride was well founded i felt that he spoke in a way that. reflected the kinds of values that i would want this country to espouse that is that i could relate to and it was done with dignity with solemnity and with

an whole hearted commitment to understanding the past and the commitment. to the survivors to us and to future generations that this is a subject that will remain a top priority despite all of what you are saying and to semitism in germany is still on the rise this is the country of the holocaust this is the country of that testimony that we just heard how does that fit together. well there that good question but i believe that one of the key points here is the internet and the extreme right groups they control a big chunk of the internet at the moment and that's extremely dangerous so how we address to the new generations how we tell the stories of these old survivors to the new generation because if you look at like this strategy internet and twitter is the new radio of the ninety's they can reach street they don't need jobs like us they can go straight and speak their mind out and they go unpunished when they when

they spread and summit take ideas or racist ideas sol that is one of the key issues that i think we are missing sometimes when we discuss this and you have like the rise of the extreme right in several countries internet is always key social media is always key. you have the rise of the far right here in germany you have the rise of anti-semitism at the same time the jewish community here in germany is getting is getting bigger i'm going to medical talks of that as a sort of miracle is that how you see it i think there is one historical fact that most of the perpetrators never were put to trial so the german society for a long time managed to avoid any confrontation with the past and especially the nazis never were brought to trial. in a society where over generations there is a narrative that the nazis came into the country 933 and they somehow.

way from the new 45 on and this was a country without the former nazis this narrative was where was drawn up to the 1980s since then and especially since the niger ninety's we have strong. memo real cites a lot of memorials sides of west germany were the product of the fight of peace. struggle of people fighting against the. kind. of memory so we always have these. people trying to avoid confrontation we have the who tried to bring. the resistance to the jews. but struggle all over the years and. get stronger as part of it it's easier to spread these messages but on the other

hand it was always here. that we are in a situation. of saying that it is constitutional for the german society that israel was there but jews getting afraid to live here in what kind of society are we living and this is what . acts. illustrating the extent to which members of the jewish community here in germany do feel ambivalent about the future . jewish communications designer valentino has been calling berlin home for 8 years he actually feels pretty comfortable living in germany. it's a very diverse community it's just very pleasant here. this is because the jewish quarter again. but on october 9th this image is shattered. to the synagogue

and to mark the day of atonement a right wing terrorist attacks the synagogue after he fails to penetrate the door he shoots 2 people on the street. the attacker had announced his anti-semitic views on the internet using a helmet camera he broadcast the attack on a streaming platform. that is deeply shocked as a consequence. every day anti semitism he very rarely wears his kippah in public anymore. i try not to provoke people who disapprove with even if there are situations where i don't need to be clearly identifiable as jewish. is germany habitable for jews. well that's the big overarching question but i route to the question i would like to ask is it because in the same direction is

how great is your sense in the sense perhaps in the jewish community that there was a before and an after well obviously hello was a wake up call. no one imagined that trust of that scale could take place obviously jewish institutions schools synagogues protected. the fact that helen was so unprotected was a shock in its own right. i happened to be in my own synagogue at that time when the news came out of what happened and how the it's a huge shock it's particularly shocking that it happened in germany i mean we've we've seen a space of attacks all over the world we somehow think that in germany things are different it's shocking that it's going to be with us because we're much close to bystanders were killed because they happened to be in the vicinity but if there is the government is going to enter the synagogue dozens of people could be massacred it could be much worse i agree and it's. it's an extremely frightening development

and that's why. i speak about it is here in germany and across the world we have to take and they have to take a much stronger stand. against such situations i'd like to go back to the education minister you know around how much understanding perhaps you have for people who say i'm too young it's not my problem it's engine history how much understanding do you have for people who say. you know i am from germany is a country of great diversity i am from a different community not from the mainline community is not my problem i think if you start telling the story of confronting people in a way that they feel that you are. full of respect towards them it's easier for them to accept that it is needed knowledge if you don't have it under your eyes you have it in your neck and in the german situation you need to

know about the past and. be able to participate in the. discourse and i feel that some of the students complaining about it too much these are there is to know the little the least and there is more they usually don't complain too much there is resist among young people where they learn from the parents that it should not be termed sht but if you saya t. as a vacation all system are willing to give the stories to the young people in a way that it is not to developing to them then you can open doors if you want. all questions at once in 2 and a half hours of wizarding that memorial side like these then you will close the

doors definitely yeah there's been a lot of talk about people saying one of the main solutions to dealing with anti-semitism is to get the young people to go to places like your commemoration site but they have to be prepared they have to have the right mindset they have to they have to be open to the experience before they arrive otherwise it will possibly back or we can create a miracle with them 2 and a half hours become change. somebody person good liberal democrat this time by confronting them and some tea pictures they want to develop empathy from the students but very often the students feel that they are. dealt with an embassy at school so it's too much from a memorial site to start with gaining or developing with to see if they are not used to it at school oh but you said at the top of the show you were quite

forthright she said yes it can happen again that is after all a question of remembering our sure it's kind of be repeated why do you think so strongly that it can't happen again well if you look at history and you see how democracy can. sometimes can swing to the right to the left and and that's why when a parted from the extreme right like i have to go mainstream you can have you have already some people from the right party of germany discussing possible alliances we dive for example so this is the sort of thought that's extremely dangerous because then you can have a party inside the parliament that you wouldn't have an idea what they could go through and what what kind of journey could take us to. route could it happen again i believe not but you believe not i believe not but we're talking about germany now that you were very you were praising for its efforts to come to terms wrestled with history well i believe it's our collective responsibility to fight against it i've

heard i'm. mortified to hit survivors saying that they believe it can happen again people who experience numerous survivor sort of restart work i'm sorries through yeah. it must rank in our resolve to do everything we can to fight against under semitism and xenophobia in all forms and this is not the response which of the jewish community it is not it is a collective responsibility that every single citizen need. to have. had it happen again. and her sisters the. way says it's the wrong question how could it happen we should ask why didn't the tappan more often and i think the risk of repetition is always there we are human beings they were human beings so. history doesn't repeat the same way but the risks in mankind are the same and it was ordinary germans talking about

this idea of evil sits somehow in the human psyche it's not only evil it's human beings potentials and evil is part of its root the last word. well. is that. is the only way of fighting that evil. i agree the dedication but i think also like we need also to have stronger measures in terms of security of police and in also tackling that usual internet and end to end up and have these ideas spread because of course you have the ideas already on the ground but they are spreading there are growing in that state and educators on the lives of wizards unfortunately probably fortunate they are going there thanks very much for joining us here on earth to the point today we've been talking about remembering auschwitz coming up and again i hope we've given you plenty of food for thought and if we have to come back next week until the end by by.

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