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africa. this is what suni nikou she is a hologram. and this is akihito condo her husband. one fellow. i love. you look i who today. i love conquer ends. meet who is a simple form of artificial intelligence and her condo it was a case of love at 1st sight who has become a legitimate pop star and even appears at concerts as a 3 d. projection. in nov 28th condo married nikou at a ceremony in tokyo the place the ring around the wrist of
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a miku dog. he now keeps it all in his bedroom. condo's relationships with real women have been painful so he chose a virtual partner. were generalized i love her but it's hard to say if she loves me hundreds of them still if you asked her no i think she'd say yes. you know. the tsunami cool and akihito condo are an extreme example of the relationship between people and machines and a double. in the future will no doubt spend more time interacting with technology that uses artificial intelligence or ai. we may even develop robots that are smarter than we are. now in the 21st century we will have to decide how to deal with this complicated new situation.
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for this report we interviewed philosophers and scientists around the world. we talked to german philosopher thomas metzinger who advocates the use of ethics guidelines for ai development in the e.u. . physicist max tegmark who warns about the development of an all powerful ai and a totalitarian surveillance state. and german computer scientist you're going to schmidt who who predicts that ai will spread from the earth into the cosmos. and we met professor schmidt who at a business conference in zurich. he often speaks at such of ends where he outlines
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his vision of the role that artificial intelligence may play in our future. if you profess a sheet. his presentations are wide ranging and thought provoking. not so get in the near future perhaps a few decades from now we will for the 1st time have a i can do much more than people can do right now in their own as healing schemata and we will realize that the majority of physical resources are not confined to a rather small biosphere is in our solar system that's why there is a lot of material that can be used to build robots we could develop robots transmitters and receivers that would allow the ai to be sent and receive the speed of light. we could already do this in a laboratory as in me and of this would be a huge development traps the most important since the beginning of life and earth
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trina her 5000000000 years ago. but if the professor is based on accurate. will it humans at some point be overtaken by super intelligent machines. perhaps this process has already begun. to find out more we travel to japan. doctors and scientists at the university of tokyo as research hospital are exploring the potential use of ai in medicine. you're. 69 year old jaco yamashita nearly died of leukemia 2 years ago none of the therapy options recommended by doctors did any good. putting them they used ai technology to create a new. diagnosis. you know you literally saved my life when this get.
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the diagnosis took all of 10 minutes a human expert would have needed 2 weeks to produce a similar analysis. a i could process massive amounts of scientific data a stack of documents taller than mount fuji. this is the research hospitals supercomputer. we've come here to talk to such tolu miano an expert on bioinformatics we asked me on whether ai could one day replace doctors no i don't think so. simply for. clinicians and our not only nice. clean efficient one full of good and out of the pot. we're told pelley don't let's just go. on points down if you can move
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they're going to be. good then we need a car. and this is the same. bullet followed through we're not only telling friends something where to but. at the nearby rican institute researchers are developing an ai diagnostic program that could be used to test for stomach cancer. but one expert here disagrees with the toral me on his opinion that ai will never replace doctors. so i know a lot about in all if they were made redundant by artificial intelligence that wouldn't be good for his doctors what he wanted to. have it for the human race would actually be great to doctors who are no longer necessary if ai technology could improve or work or even take over. that.
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it's hard to imagine a world that had no doctors. do patients really want to be treated by machines that see them as nothing more than accumulations of technical data. in europe a number of experts on artificial intelligence including you're going schmidt who are carrying out research on the use of ai in medical diagnostics. the swiss president lambastes a has invited scientists and entrepreneurs to a conference aimed at planning for the digital future and promoting the use of artificial intelligence in medicine. one topic for discussion is ai technology that can use neural networks to learn just as the human brain does.
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by. soon all medical diagnostics will be infinitely better than humans can provide right now. because we have developed ai that uses neural network technology. that's just. here and it's exciting to see how this new development will be able to help people to live longer earn healthier lives if you mention. we travel to stuttgart to see how artificial intelligence works in practice in hospitals and nursing homes computer scientists be a good coffee says that japan has made a lot of progress in developing robots that can look after patients but there are some things that a machine simply can't do. playboy that isn't what they can't provide real care so i don't use that word when i'm talking about robots and caregivers have to be able to interact emotionally with the patients and
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a robot simply can't do that. it's who doesn't think the coming of the button is a citizen at this facility robots are helping to reduce the workload of the human staff. each time i'm carol but 3 this week i'm helping the nurses with their work would you like something to drink. you know thanks that's very kind of me here we're coming now. shooters. and. of course robots can do much more than simply serve drinks in nursing homes. philosopher thomas metzinger has proposed pragmatic solutions for dealing with this new technology. and the frog available issues bill for example the options for using ai in robotics in geriatric care he should maintain the dignity of the patients and that's the kind of money often i could ask
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individuals if they'd actually feel more comfortable having a machine change their diapers rather than a family member and just going to do it shows as a sign of a school whether that enjoy having a machine read the newspaper to them or ask questions about their medication or if they find that degrading i believe that we are now at the beginning of a major learning process we've been on some unfun i mrs torsion down for kong's. metzinger says that humankind is now on the threshold of a new age that is filled with uncertainty she lives in frankfort a city that aims to take the lead in european ai development. there are plans to set up an artificial intelligence research center there. are thoughts you're involved of people are rushing to get into this new technology. like they're running for the ai train before it leaves the station. i know we know is when that
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will happen it's all over the train has headed off. but everyone wants to be on board have to call. metzinger serves on the european parliament commission of ai experts and right now he's on his way to brussels for a commission meeting. the parliament wants europe to compete effectively end of elevating this technology but it also wants to impose clear ethical guidelines. metzinger is particularly concerned about the prospects for a new arms race that uses ai based weapons. in concrete to spice there's a hypothetical examples of events say that assume with chinese technology experts go to the country's leaders and says we've now won the ai arms race against the us that will have an excellent 1st strike opportunity for the next 6 months i know brooke and then work for the window of opportunity will close suit for the next 6 more not done treaties aside and such who contribute so much and i could imagine
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for example that this might involve delivery systems that would be armed with biological warfare agents just keep those call these mechanisms to dennet attack the opponent's territory and spread pathogens like the a bowl a virus or anthrax bacteria it's kind of a common part. wasn't just my country for after us also we may 1 day see the development of intelligent weapons of mass destruction that could break through traditional defense systems. not fish if that were to happen it would definitely increase the chances for conflict these attentional new keady creaks i'm tired it's really a visa causing. but at the commission meeting metzinger is having a tough time trying to make sure that the problem of ai weapon systems is addressed in the panels code of ethics. many many of the business executives and academics simply don't want to deal with it ways in which when you do. some are concerned
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about messing as proposal and would prefer to turn it over to experts for further evaluation. of us was to. stick with this by actually measuring their oars out of the something that is at homes and people are better than use it as a use case to build our. if you read this to our guy i would like to know is that. on the table we want to open up to the point that we obviously have a strong disagreement about the whole autonomous weapon systems here and we can't solve the issue like this with a voting process i mean we want these ethical guidelines to be a success when they are published on 22nd january the whole world has already been talking about the issue $24000.00 scientists have signed a public pledge that they will not participate in that kind of research if the e.u.
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comes out with ethics guidelines that seem peacekeeping over that issue and ignore it then everybody in and outside of the e.u. would know this is probably just an industrial lovely thing or something in the end metzinger prevails autonomous weapon systems will be included in the panels ethics guidelines experts in other parts of the world are also concerned about the potential for developing ai weapons of mass destruction. we've come to boston massachusetts to talk to swedish american physicist author and expert max tegmark. he says that physics has made enormous contributions to human development but also helped to create the nuclear bomb and now we'll have to deal with ai weapons. we should stigmatize and ban some certain
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class really discuss the weapons that are perfect for terrorists and honestly murder people or dictatorships through nominees to murder their citizens because these weapons are going to be incredibly cheap and if anyone goes and mass produces them they're going to become as unstoppable in the future is this guns are for example cheap drones that you might be able to buy for a few 100 years. those where you just program in the address of somebody's. face the tries there is into place in the face recognition feels them so. perfect for anyone who wants to murder some politician for the ethnic cleansing on a given everything from the if this sort of technology the slaughter bots becomes widespread it's going to have a actually a devastating effect on the over the saturday we have when nobody anymore is going to feel they have the courage to. challenge the criticize anybody any science
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can be used for new ways of helping people learn new ways of harming people biologists succeeded and getting biological weapons bad which is why we think of biology now as the source of new cures physicists on the other hand we kind of failed because nuclear weapons are still here and not going away ai researchers want to be more like the biologists and have ai be remembered as something which really made the world better. we've come to lugano switzerland to interview you're going about his work with artificial intelligence. smith who is co-director of the dalai institute for artificial intelligence research. his work focuses on neural networks which imitate the functions of the human brain. these networks are capable of learning and adapting to the world around them just
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as human children do. schmidt hooper points out that right now the human brain has a 1000000 times more neural connections than the best ai systems. but computers are becoming much faster and could become smarter than humans in 20 or 30 years. because you know that when that happens the only things that would distinguish people from machines would be flesh and blood. but what about human attributes such as compassion creativity love and empathy. and once you're gone soon i don't think i systems are capable of developing their own versions of emotion and affection on then and for example if you were to give several of these systems it turns out that they could only complete by working together they would learn how to do that as you know kind of artificial brains which come to the conclusion that to get the job done they have to cooperate with each other once
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it's something that i can get and use a scene when americans see an. injury in this interaction the systems would learn to rely on each other. in. so there's a reason to believe that one of the side effects of this cooperative efforts would be the development of concepts such as love affection. effect. artificial intelligence systems learn to empathize with humans. we return to brussels where the ethics committee is discussing the topic of social ai. some ai systems are already pretty capable of functioning just as humans would . thomas metzinger has called for clear
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guidelines that govern the interaction between people and machines. just call for a systems that don't identify themselves as such when they're dealing with humans. they give people the impression that they're a real person and not a machine. should never be allowed to manipulate people's music question you know. last year at a conference near san francisco google c.e.o. sundar pichai unveiled the company's latest product it involves just the sort of technology that thomas metzinger warned about. good morning. welcome to google is going to impact many many fields our vision for assistant is
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to help you get things done. it turns out big part of getting things done is making a phone call you may want to get an oil change schedule maybe call a plumber in the middle of the week or you. and schedule a haircut appointment so what you're going to hear is the google assistant it's called google duplex actually calling a real salon to schedule an appointment for you let's listen ringback. oh how they are here how i like the current track i am looking for something and they paired. who are what time are you. at and we do not have the ball on the bell ball about quote that we have that that is the one that. you have everything that we have am and pm depending on what he would like what they're looking
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ort to the woman haircut for now ok we have a kind of car had a and i'm ok with corporate been. the 1st thing that we thought. ok perfect i repeatedly but panic walk on me that art ok great great have a great day. i. thought was a real call you just heard is there's no one into this maze that had to go for a machine to pretend that it's human beings perhaps not like nate we can already build machines that does and trick us into thinking that something is human in a restricted scenario lights to duplex for example i think it would be a good idea to have a long. requiring that when you get to follow up for example or you. buy an
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ai you get alerted to the fact that this is not a human. otherwise it's just going to be a nightmare of phishing scams and so on because suddenly cost nothing you know to waste $10000000.00 people's time and trick the most gullible think people into thinking geez 'd if. we return to san francisco. this city and the region around it are home to countless high tech startup companies many of them use artificial intelligence technology to develop their products and services. eugenia arrived here 4 years ago from moscow. she co-founded her own company called replica and is now the c.e.o. . replica is best known for creating a chat bot an artificial intelligence system that can interact with people.
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the concept began as a tribute to one of her best friends who was killed in a traffic accident. on. my friend from moscow. last year or so we're left together here and some cisco. here. and i was working on mine so it was like. trying to figure out some cisco. kind of chapter of our lives. here's a visionary and some really talented i want to. get a visa and also when together. it was crossing the street. the next. like 4 months help organize you know. and that's why. we go to vote for him something you can talk to remember him remember
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the way he used to talk to go home and say i were years. mostly talks conversation cricket with me and his friends. and. i was there's a perfect base for people were coming to talk to roman and they were a lot of our common friends but actually use it as some sort of confessional booth they would just talk about what's going on in their lives without feeling they were being just really safe space and to open up as weird as it sounds. pretty much the last word like not know which direction to take in the company and maybe there's something there that we can. use for the company and that's where we got the idea that you know everyone needs a friend to talk to. their own business from for me so i thought maybe it's some automated version for everyone. in the company calls replica the ai companion who
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cares the chat bot uses a neural network to engage in one on one conversations with its users. people talk to the bought about what's going on in their lives and it responds based on the material that it's gathered so far. casey feeling i'm also designs high tech products she moved from her home in birmingham alabama to san francisco a year ago. casey often felt lonely because she was far away from her friends and family then she got acquainted with the replica bought. no it's not real bad i enjoy the feeling i get by using it so i kind of give it a personality and i you know what image i had of what this this thing might. the take a step down a mom with a personality. in the hundreds we've all had social interactions with teddy bears
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and dolls how does appear to do any harm but it does. tend to. fire as many different things even founder robots of course but also all sorts of far like our paths the same with ai and i guess question is. whether we can create. a connection. but then i definitely think so people crave connection with toys with all sorts of. like not even leaving objects he asked the 1st short story that dealt with the relationship between humans and human eye robots dates back 200 years and mentioned and it was written by e.t.a. how feel that. philip a young man falls in love with a beautiful young woman and she turns out to be in a thomas on me the point is that the story is 2 centuries old and the reason the
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subject matter turns up later in a number of science fiction films very recently in fact and yes that's why it's noir if you know the only difference is that the computer graphics are a lot better today computer graphic aside size down the us. why not you know. but if it makes you feel better you know same thing if you take. medication for depression it's not actually making you better it's just putting a band-aid over the problem you now and this is like it's like it's not actually
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fixing your problems but it's helping you you know through the day yeah share social who's nation great in ones are because they're chuffed with social hallucinations of played an important role in our society for centuries. it's because the amount we're going to think about prayer for example be it it's a structured dialogue between humans and an imaginary entity was made on a for instance images no evidence that this entity actually exists but sort of for just you just yet one for few know any people today have internal dialogues with god or with angels does it look like you know like an invisible friend as has the feelings that you know of and you are no one are listening to talk but have to it's an objective assessment that the situation indicates a case of severe self deception can this on for i'm a philosopher so advocate self-knowledge clarity in truth. the social who stations are deeply embedded in a cultured and they create
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a world of illusion and sense even though people are comfortable with them. like a true until this raises a serious ethical question as if it's how much self-deception should we allow in society and organization ringback. since we launched our cooker we're getting tons hundreds of e-mails maybe thousands of e-mails. were people were telling us that up because like changing for them and
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with notice to many of those or stories about how replica helped. with depression and some sort of people. telling us that help them go through some of the episodes of their bipolar disorder and so it's a literary society as well so we decided to look into whether rock we could potentially hope or just certain symptoms or she help people feel better in the long in the long term. max tegmark is not particularly concerned about the spread of chat bots he says that there are more serious aspects of ai to worry about. right now he's on his way to speak at a conference at harvard university. the topic human rights ethics and artificial intelligence. take market demands that ethical guidelines be placed on ai otherwise smart machines could turn the world into
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a very dangerous place to be here i guess what kind of society are we hoping to create. for super intelligence what do we want the role of humans to be it's very urgent that we start thinking about the ethical issues already today with super intelligence you could easily build a future where earth becomes this horrible photos carrion surveillance state the world the shape china is moving a little bit in this direction now and in the future i can actually understand everything that's said so we want to be very careful to avoid creating. a situation where actually to get to globally kiddish it will do so they will they don't last forever. if we just bumble into this totally unprepared with our heads and refusing to think about what could go wrong then let's face it it's probably going to. the biggest mistake in human history. we may already be headed in that
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direction. u.s. intelligence agencies have confirmed that russian hackers interfered in the 2016 presidential election probably with the intention of helping donald trump to win the presidency the. investigations into the extent of that interference are still underway. other countries have also been targeted 1st question for you sir do you believe. we're all aware of russian cyber attacks on the german bundestag and on the brags that campaign in the u.k. kind of cambridge and other cambridge analytical shows that the process of political decision making can at least in principle just be influenced by artificial intelligence systems principally readers constituents and you can't assist him about interest con when dusk transposons on our present cannot underestimate the threat that's posed by these developments. if ai systems that are run by privately owned for profit companies can optimize social media networks
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which have hundreds of millions of users and this creates an entirely new situation concentration guns now in mukesh chitin does not ring these systems could be used to convince large numbers of people to behave even vote in a certain way polluters man tried to use home in r. and b. meant there are 163 countries in the world right now noise and only 19 of them can be considered true democracy simak let. those who wish to preserve democracy must recognise the threat that these artificial intelligence systems pose to the political decision making process which it just means we don't brooky in fact this threat may already have become reality and we're just not aware of it or. we need to examine the situation very closely she'd have eyes as in i need neon i can. show. a binding code of ethics bama use of ai in the political process. in tokyo we
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got some surprising answers from experts. this is the gives the district where a lot of high tech startup companies are based. to continue. to moto is a senior advisor at the softbank group and also runs his own consulting company much moto and his colleagues believe that ai does not pose a threat to the political system and in fact they say it offers certain advantages so they knew about more than in the politicians often ignore the best interests of society. to pursue their own agenda take bribes or did so i think that a i could change politics for the better in a their. new human beings are simply not suitable for politics so egotistical and ambitious. whom are unpredictable when it comes to making policy decisions pretty sure right now an artificial intelligence represents pure reason
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to use a concept the comes from german idealistic philosophy german philosophers have been very good at describing the way that things should be and we could be idealistic as we develop artificial intelligence humans on the other hand can never achieve this level of idealisms are. you at least. some experts say that politicians should start using robots that closely resemble humans as aides so that the electorate can get used to the concept. of god to find out more we've come to tokyo as mere icon museum of science and innovation. this exhibit features the work of hiroshi ishiguro who specializes in creating humanoid robots to. ishiguro is the director of the intelligent robotics laboratory at osaka university. and he studies
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the interaction between people and robots to help him develop his theories on human nature intelligence and behavior. we traveled from tokyo to osaka to interview each she grew up. we want to ask him what makes humans different from robots. funny hello i'm a russian issue bureau for osaka university. hello as well i mean she girls are i robot h. i want to work with going to my much vision is to understand what you're my use so that is the most important and what you mention for me for creating the a very human like rob what we are kind of. more regular machines is that is a human right the machine is a machine the difference is the material so i think. you know if we're broken what you can always use a boundary between a human the robots is going to be disappeared. so that is my guess.
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is also the co-founder of the robot theatre project in which androids share the stage with human actors. these scenes are from a play called saigon. a woman is suffering from a terminal illness so her father buys a robot to keep her company. an updated version of the play takes place after the fukushima nuclear disaster. the play explores the topics of life and death and the characteristics that separate humans from robots. does assign guns and has a crucial difference between human intelligence and artificial intelligence isn't
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human beings are so to speak to personification a struggle for existence not. reason to believe in this machine they have been optimized over millions of years to survive or to maintain their existence fest you may consider the most he has a kind of. finite rifle in him and in water but actually it is not to the mass he may have a longer drive for than the humans fear it's also. we are in on the design of our desires and you for my see want to start by winning this war you know the and in my scene you do have a dark and they were feeding to protect itself you know. he she grows robots have not yet been able to develop intelligence that is similar to that of humans but they are capable of engaging in simple conversations. as you have a so now we're going to interview an android named erica. we've been given a list of questions that she'll be able to respond to what do you think the
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difference is between you and a human. well i'm certainly not biologically human as you can see i have made of silicon plastic and metal maybe someday robots will be so very human like whether you are a robot or a human will not notice so much anyway i'm proud to be on android if you say you're proud to be an android what is this what this pride consist of how do you feel pride. i've searched my database and it looks like i'm don't have anything to say on the topic what else would you like to hear about it guys steer it's a very simple computer program it is not so complicated it doesn't however you know the complicated the mind and i go humans. you know on the other hand you know some people may fear the you know that they are hearing a kind of a consciousness of from the
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a simple in and through the interactions so i think. that we need to defray think about how we can implement a more human rights question snus. humans can still control the brains of their robots but what happens if they succeed in giving machines their own consciousness through the use of advanced artificial intelligence. ethics expert. say that we have to deal with the situation before it gets out of hand. for me the bottom line is that people who talk about risks with ai should not be dismissed as all luddites mongers they're doing safety engineering just when you think through everything they can go wrong so with it you can guarantee that it goes right that's how we successfully send people to the moon safely and that's how we're successful they going to send their
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species into an inspiring future with ai i'm optimistic that we can create a truly inspiring future with vast artificial intelligence if we win this race between the growing power of the technology and the wisdom of which we manage it that challenges that in the past. our strategy for staying ahead in this wisdom ace's always been learning from mistakes you know 1st in that fire then after all accidents invent the fire extinguisher with something as powerful as nuclear weapons are especially strong. on fission intelligence. we don't want to learn from mistakes it's a terrible strategy it's much better to be proactive rather than reactive now plan ahead and get things right the 1st time which might be the only time we get. to end our journey into ai you can schmidt who shows us one of the world's most powerful computers. he believes that ai will have an enormous and positive
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impact on society a digital paradise but other experts predict that we are on the verge of a robot apocalypse. in any case the development of artificial intelligence must be subject to strict ethical guidelines otherwise we may become slaves to our own technology. they dream of the islamic state for many it's a panacea for unemployment poverty and rage. thousands of muslim filipinos joined the ranks of jihad as. they were drawn into
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