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this is what suny. she is a hologram. and this is akihito condo her husband. i know. i love. you look i want you today. i love culture ends. meet cool is a simple form of artificial intelligence and for a condo it was a case of love at 1st sight who has become a legitimate pop star and even appears at concerts as a 3 d. projection. in november 28th condo married nikou at a ceremony in tokyo the place the ring around the wrist of a dog. he now keeps it all in his bedroom. condo's
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relationships with real women have been painful so he chose a virtual partner. were you know i said i love her but it's hard to say if she loves me that is of the movies on this still if you asked her no i think she'd say yes. to. the tsunami cool and akihito condo are an extreme example of the relationship between people and machines i got. in the future will no doubt spend more time interacting with technology that uses artificial intelligence or ai. we may even develop robots that are smarter than we are. now in the 21st century we will have to decide how to deal with this complicated new situation.
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for this report we interviewed philosophers and scientists around the world. we talked to german philosopher thomas metzinger who advocates the use of ethics guidelines for ai development in the e.u. . physicist max tegmark who warns about the development of an all powerful ai and a totalitarian surveillance state. and german computer scientist you're going to schmidt who who predicts that ai will spread from the earth into the cosmos. we met professor schmidt who at a business conference in zurich. he often speaks at such of ends where he outlines
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his vision of the role that artificial intelligence may play in our future. he says buffett sheet. his presentations are wide ranging and thought provoking thank you nancy in the near future perhaps a few decades from now we will for the 1st time have a i can do much more than people can do right now in their own well yelling schematic and we will realize that the majority of physical resources are not confined to a rather small world biosphere using our solar system as there is a lot of the tools that can be used to build robots or we could develop robots transmitters that's and receivers that would allow the ai to be sent and received at the speed of light. we could already do this in a laboratory and from senator this would be a huge development rap's the most important since the beginning of life in earth trina her 5000000000 years ago as this means something.
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but if the professors vision accurate. wilke humans at some point be overtaken by super intelligent machines. perhaps this process has already begun. to find out more we travel to japan. doctors and scientists at the university of tokyo as research hospital are exploring the potential use of ai in medicine. 69 year old jaco yamashita nearly died of leukemia 2 years ago none of the therapy options recommended by doctors did any good for him. in putting then they used ai technology to create a new. diagnosis. you literally saved my life when you get.
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the diagnosis took all of 10 minutes a human expert would have needed 2 weeks to produce a similar analysis hey i can process massive amounts of scientific data a stack of documents taller than mount fuji. this is the research hospitals supercomputer. we've come here to talk to such tolu miano an expert on bioinformatics we asked me on whether ai could one day replace doctors no i don't think so. lisa seemed really tough for. clinicians and n o r not really nice. clinicians unfollowed you and i was the pot. there on the show in philly it's a skill. points down for if you can prove they're going to be. good then we need
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a car. and this is the same. bullet followed through we're not turning telephones so where's the fun. at the nearby rican institute researchers are developing an ai diagnostic program that could be used to test for stomach cancer. but one expert here disagreements with the toral me on his opinion that i will never replace doctors. i know a lot about in all the if you were made redundant by artificial intelligence that wouldn't be good for his doctors what he wanted to go to congress for the human race would actually be great oh doctors were no longer necessary if ai technology could improve or work or even take over. that.
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it's hard to imagine a world that had no doctors. do patients really want to be treated by machines that see them as nothing more than accumulations of technical data. in europe a number of experts on artificial intelligence including you're going schmidt who are carrying out research on the use of ai in medical diagnostics. the swiss president lambastes a has invited scientists and entrepreneurs to a conference aimed at planning for the digital future and promoting the use of artificial intelligence in medicine. one topic for discussion is ai technology that can use neural networks to learn just as the human brain does.
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by. soon all medical diagnostics will be infinitely better than humans can provide right now. because we have developed ai that uses neural network technology on this is. a haven and it's exciting to see how this new development will be able to help people to live longer earn healthier lives as lieve if you mention. we travel to stuttgart to see how artificial intelligence works in practice in hospitals and nursing homes computer scientists bigot coffee says that japan has made a lot of progress in developing robots that can look after patients but there are some things that a machine simply can't do. play given by those involved they can't provide real care so i don't use that word when i'm talking about robots and caregivers have to be able to interact emotionally with the patients and have robots simply can't do that. to this in thing if you
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come up with and it's a sad scene at this facility robots are helping to reduce the workload of the human staff. each time i'm carol but 3 this week i'm helping the nurses with their work would you like something to drink. no thanks that's very kind of the end here we're coming. and. of course robots can do much more than simply serve drinks in nursing homes. philosopher thomas metzinger has proposed pragmatic solutions for dealing with this new technology. and the fog of we have a vicious move for example the options for using a robotics in geriatric care he should maintain the dignity of the patients and that's
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a kind of money often i could ask individuals if they'd actually feel more comfortable having a machine change their diapers rather than a family member and just going to do it shows as a sign of whether that enjoy having a machine read the newspaper to them or ask questions about their medication or if they find that degrading i believe that we are now at the beginning of a major learning process we've been on some on from my missis torsion down for. metzinger says that humankind is now on the threshold of a new age that is filled with uncertainty he lives in frankfurt a city that aims to take the lead in european ai development. there are plans to set up an artificial intelligence research center there. is a thought your own volatile people are rushing to get into this new technology. like they're running for the ai train before it leaves the station youths who know no one is one that will happen when the train is headed off. but everyone wants to
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be on board after called. metzinger serves on a european parliament commission of ai experts and right now he's on his way to brussels for a commission meeting. the parliament wants europe to compete effectively end of elevating this technology but it also wants to impose clear ethical guidelines. metzinger is particularly concerned about the prospects for a new arms race that uses ai based weapons. and. concrete to spice there's a hypothetical examples of ice to even say that assume of chinese technology experts go to the country's leaders and says we've now won the ai arms race against the us that will have an excellent 1st strike opportunity for the next 6 months i know then work for the window of opportunity will close it for the next 6 more not to thank you it is a sight and starts with current events in boston i could imagine for example that
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this might involve delivery systems that will be armed with biological warfare agents that's called these mechanisms to dennet touched the opponents territories and spread pathogens like the a bowl of virus or anthrax bacteria it's a common part. wasn't just my country for furnaces also we may 1 day see the development of intelligent weapons of mass destruction that could break through the traditional defense systems and 50 not for sure if that were to happen it would definitely increase the chances for conflict of these attentional new keady creaks ein time it's really a visa in fish because ing. but at the commission meeting metzinger is having a tough time trying to make sure that the problem of ai weapon systems is addressed in the panels code of ethics. many of the business executives and academics simply don't want to deal with it which when you do. some are concerned about messing us
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proposal and would prefer to turn it over to experts for further evaluation. of us was what it was for because why would we have to stick with this on a bike i didn't actually measure their orders out of the business of you know he's an old ethical or that we can use it as a use case to build our. give concrete this to our guy i would like to know is that kind of a. on the table do we want to open up to the point that we obviously have a strong disagreement about the whole autonomous weapon systems here and we can solve the issue like this with a voting process i mean we want these ethical guidelines to be a success when the 22nd january the whole world has already been talking about the issue $24000.00 scientists have signed a public pledge that they will not participate in that kind of research if the e.u.
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comes out with ethics guidelines that seem peacekeeper over that issue and ignore it then everybody in and outside of the e.u. would know this is probably just an industrial lobby thing or something in the end metzinger prevails autonomous weapons systems will be included in the panels ethics guidelines experts in other parts of the world are also concerned about the potential for developing ai weapons of mass destruction. and. we've come to boston massachusetts to talk to swedish american physicist author and expert max tegmark. he says that physics has made enormous contributions to human development but also helped to create the nuclear bomb and now we'll have to deal with ai weapons. we should stigmatizing back some certain
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class really discuss the weapons that are perfect for terrorists and honestly murder people or dictatorships through nominees to murder their citizens because these weapons are going to be incredibly cheap and if anyone goes ahead and mass produces them they're going to become as unstoppable in the future as the studies are for example cheap drones that you might be able to buy for a few 100 years. those where you just program in the address of somebody and we see their face the tries there in the place in the face recognition kills them so. perfect for anyone who wants to murder some politician who actually blends in on a given everything from the if this sort of the slaughter bots becomes what it's grown it's going to have an absolutely devastating effect on the open society. nobody any more is going to feel they have the courage to. challenge the criticize anybody any science can be used for new ways of helping people or new ways of
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harming people biologists succeeded in getting biological weapons bad which is why we think of biology now as the source of new cures physicists on the other hand we kind of failed because nuclear weapons are still here and not going away ai researchers want to be more like the biologists and have ai be remembered as something which really made the world better. we've come to the switzerland to interview you're going about his work with artificial intelligence. goober is co-director of the dalai institute for artificial intelligence research. his work focuses on neural networks which imitate the functions of the human brain. these networks are capable of learning and adapting to the world around them just
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as human children do. schmidt hooper points out that right now the human brain has a 1000000 times more neural connections than the best ai systems. but computers are becoming much faster and could become smarter than humans in 20 or 30 years. and is also says that when that happens the only things that would distinguish people from machines would be flesh and blood. but what about human attributes such as compassion creativity love and empathy. and what's your own soon i don't think i systems are capable of developing their own versions of emotion and affection on down and for example if you were to give several of these systems it turns out that they could only complete by working together they would learn how to do that as you know artificial brains would come to the conclusion that to get the job done they have to cooperate with each other once it's something
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i can get and use a scene when americans see an. injury in this interaction the systems would learn to rely on each other. concept. so there's a reason to believe that one of the side effects of this cooperative efforts would be the development of concepts such as love and affection as need an effect. on. what can artificial intelligence systems learn to empathize with humans. and you. want to be returned to brussels where the ethics committee is discussing the topic of social ai. some ai systems are already pretty capable of functioning just as humans would. thomas metzinger has called for clear guidelines that govern the interaction between people and machines.
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and just call for a systems that don't identify themselves as such when they're dealing with humans as host just to give people the impression that they're a real person and not a machine that's host. should never be allowed to manipulate the people who can use it's question. last year at a conference near san francisco google c.e.o. sundar pichai unveiled the company's latest product it involves just the sort of technology that thomas metzinger warned about. good morning. welcome to google is going to impact many many fields our vision for our system is
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to help you get things done. it turns out big part of getting things done is making a phone call you may want to get an oil change schedule and be call a plumber in the middle of the week or even schedule a haircut appointment so what you're going to hear is the google assistant it's called google duplex actually calling a real salon to schedule an appointment for you let's listen ringback. i'm sure. i'm looking for something on the 3rd. who or what time are you looking for. at pm we do not have the ball on the bell ball about quote that we have that is the one that. you have everything that people have am and pm good. bet you would like were there to be looking
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forward to the woman haircut for now ok we have a can across our head and i'm ok with corporate been. the 1st thing that we thought . ok perfect i wrote feely but 1 o'clock on a very big ok great day great have a great day. that was a real call you just heard is doesn't own interest me is it ethical for a machine to pretend that it's human and means perhaps not like nate we can only build machines that does and trick us into thinking that something is human in a restricted scenario lights to duplex for example i see to be a good idea to have a law. requiring that when you get followed up for example already. by an ai you get alerted to the fact that this is not
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a human. otherwise it's just going to be a nightmare of phishing scams and so on because suddenly cost nothing you know to waste 10000000 people's time and trick the most gullible thing people into thinking things. we return to san francisco. the city and the region around it are home to countless high tech startup companies many of them use artificial intelligence technology to develop their products and services. eugenio arrived here 4 years ago from moscow. she co-founded her own company called replica and is now the c.e.o. . replica is best known for creating a chat bot an artificial intelligence system that can interact with people.
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and. the concept began as a tribute to one of her best friends who was killed in a traffic accident. long gone by. my friend from moscow. in the last year or so will live together here and some since. he was working and i was working on mine so it was like. trying to figure out some cisco and you know this kind of chapter of our lives. here's a visionary and i just really. want to. get a visa and last one together. was crossing the street. then accident in a car accident. like for a mouse hole program. you're on. camera. and that's where you know we go to vote
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for him something you can talk to remember him remember the way he used to talk to go home and say i will use. mostly talks conversation cricket with me and his friends. 1000 masters overall and. i was basically the base for it people were coming to talk to roman and they would a lot of our common friends will actually use it as some sort of confessional booth they would just talk about what's going on in their lives without feeling they're being judged through a safe space and to open up as weird as it sounds. pretty much the last word like not know which direction to take the company and maybe there's something there that we can. use for the company and that's where we got the idea that you know everyone needs a friend to talk to. a moment was this from from a so we thought maybe it's some automated version for everyone. the company calls replica the ai companion who cares the chat bot uses
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a neural network to engage in one on one conversations with its users. people talk to the bought about what's going on in their lives and it responds based on the material that it's gathered so far. casey feeling i'm also designs high tech products she moved from her home in birmingham alabama to san francisco a year ago. casey often felt lonely because she was far away from her friends and family then she got acquainted with the replica bought. no it's not real by i enjoy the feeling i get by using it so i kind of give it a personality and you know what image i had of what this this thing. might be take a step down a mark i have with a personality. we've all had social interactions with teddy bears and dolls how
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does appear to do any harm but it does. tend to. fire as many different things even founder robots of course but also far like our paths the same with ai and i guess question is. like. a connection. but then i definitely think so people create a connection with toys with all sorts of. like not even leaving objects he asked the 1st short story that dealt with the relationship between humans and human eye robots dates back 200 years mentioned and it was written by e.t.a. how feel that. your woman a young man falls in love with a beautiful young woman and she turns out to be in your thomas on me the point is
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that the story is 2 centuries old and there isn't the subject matter turned up later in the number of science fiction films very recently in fact in youngsters i read a noise and feel that the only difference is that the computer graphics are a lot better today the computer graphic aside for size dominance. why not you know. but if it makes you feel better thank you now same thing if you take. medication for depression it's not actually making you better it's just putting a band-aid over the problem you now and this is like it's like it's not actually
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fixing your problems but it's helping you you know through the day yeah share social whose nation grey in one's heart is h.f. tribunes with social hallucinations of played an important role in our society for centuries. because the amount we're going to think about prayer for example be it it's a structured dialogue between humans and an imaginary entity was made on a for instance much there's no evidence that this entity actually exists but that a for just exist yet one for feeding on any people today have internal dialogues with god of what angels it is because i don't like an invisible friend asked this has to be feelings you know and you are no fun always in the top but hostile it's an objective assessment that the situation indicates a case of severe self deception for the 2nd as one for class i'm a philosopher so i advocate self-knowledge clarity and truth so i'm good at it and so it's the social hallucinations are deeply embedded in our cultured and they
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create a world of illusions and even though people are comfortable with them. like a true until this raises a serious ethical question if it's how much self the septuagint should we allow in society and organization. since we're on track of we're getting tons hundreds of emails maybe thousands we must. working overtime as the replica was like changing for them and with notice to
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many of those who are stories about how replica helped. with depression and i'm certain people. telling us that helped them go through some of the episodes of their bipolar disorder and so it is certain that they're inside as well so we decided to look into whether rock we could potentially hope to do certain symptoms or share hope people feel better and all along in the long term. max tegmark is not particularly concerned about the spread of chat bots he says that there are more serious aspects of ai to worry about. right now he's on his way to speak at a conference at harvard university. the topic human rights ethics and artificial intelligence. take market demands that ethical guidelines be placed on ai otherwise smart machines could turn the world into a very dangerous place to be here because what kind of society are we hoping to
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create. supercharges what do we want the role of humans to be it's very urgent that we start thinking about the ethical issues already today with super intelligence you could easily build a future where earth becomes. horrible phototherapy in surveillance state building or world history china is moving a little bit in this direction now and in the future i can actually understand everything that's said so we want to be very careful to avoid creating. a situation where actually the global dictatorship will be so stable that it lasts forever. if we just bumble into this totally unprepared with our heads and. refusing to think about what could go wrong then let's face it it's probably going to be the biggest mistake in human history. we may already be headed in that
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direction. u.s. intelligence agencies have confirmed that russian hackers interfered in the 2016 presidential election probably with the intention of helping donald trump to win the presidency. investigations into the extent of that interference are still underway. other countries have also been targeted 1st for you sir do you believe. we're all aware of russian cyber attacks on the german bundestag on the brags that campaign in the u.k. cambridge on the cambridge analytical scandal showed us that the process of political decision making can at least in principle has to be influenced by artificial intelligence systems principia constituents any qantas's team of interest con when dusk transposons on opposite cannot underestimate the threat that's posed by these developments. if ai systems that are run by privately owned for profit companies can optimize social media networks which have hundreds of
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millions of users this creates an entirely new situation concentration guns. just now. not ching skee these systems can be used to convince large numbers of people to behave even vote in a certain way simply to snatch items home in r. and b. harm meant there are 163 countries in the world right now noise and only 19 of them can be considered true democracy similar to. those who wish to preserve democracy must recognize the threat that these artificial intelligence systems pose to the political decision making process would be room for a new peace in fact this threat may already have become reality and which is not aware of it or. we need to examine the situation very closely she for sumo can have eyes as an eye any neon ak and. should a binding code of ethics banned the use of ai in the political process. in tokyo we
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got some surprising answers from experts. this is the ginza district where a lot of high tech startup companies are based. so when you knew it was going to moto is a senior advisor at the softbank group and also runs his own consulting company matsumoto and his colleagues believe that ai does not pose a threat to the political system in fact they say it offers certain advantages so they knew about more happen in the politicians often ignore the best interests of society even as they pursue their own agenda take bribes. so i think that they are you could change politics for the better in a their. new human beings are simply not suitable for politics so egotistical and ambitious. boom are unpredictable when it comes to making policy decisions pretty sure right when artificial intelligence represents pure reason to
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use a concept the comes from german idealistic philosophies. german philosophers have been very good at describing the way that things should be and we could be idealistic as we develop artificial intelligence humans on the other hand can never achieve this level of idealisms are. you at least. some experts say that politicians should start using robots that closely resemble humans as aids so that the electorate can get used to the concept. yeah she got in each of them to find out more we've come to tokyo's mere icon museum of science and innovation. about this exhibit features the work of hiroshima ishiguro who specializes in creating humanoid robots. ishiguro is the director of the intelligent robotics laboratory at osaka university. he studies the
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interaction between people and robots to help him develop his theories on human nature intelligence and behavior. we traveled from tokyo to osaka to interview him she grew up. we want to ask him what makes humans different from robots. funny hello i'm a russian it's a gorilla from osaka university. hello i mean she grows on robot h. i want. this going to mine which vision is to understand what you might use so that is the most important in which a vision for me for creating the a very human like rob what we are kind of. more regular machines that is a human right the machine is a machine the difference is the material so i think. you know if we develop want a chronology is so bonded it between a human the roberts is going to be disappeared. so that is my guess.
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is also the co-founder of the robot theatre project in which androids share the stage with human actors. these scenes are from a play called saigon. a woman is suffering from a terminal illness so her father buys a robot to keep her company. an updated version of the play takes place after the fukushima nuclear disaster. the play explores the topics of life and death and the characteristics that separate humans from robots. doesn't sign guns and has a crucial difference between human intelligence and artificial intelligence isn't human beings are so to speak the personification of
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a struggle for existence. or leaves machine they have been optimized over millions of years to survive or to maintain their existence fest you may consider them i see has a kind of. finite rife in them and in water but actually it is not to the mass you may have a longer reivers than the humans fear it's also. you know the design of our desires for my see want to see how by we in this war you know the there my senior do have a dark and there were feeling to protect itself you know. ishiguro is robots have not yet been able to develop intelligence that is similar to that of humans but they are capable of engaging in simple conversations. as you have a so now we're going to interview an android named erica. we've been given a list of questions that she'll be able to respond to what do you think the
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difference is between you and the human. well i'm certainly not biologically human as you can see i have made of silicon plastic and metal maybe someday robots will be so very human like that whether you are a robot or a human will not matter so much anyway i'm proud to be an android if you say you're proud to be an android what is this what does this pride consist of how do you feel pride. i've searched my database and it looks like tom didn't have anything to say on the topic what else would you like to hear about a case steer it's a very simple computer program it is not so complicated it doesn't however you know they're complicated a mind like a human's mother you know on the other hand you know the some people may feel the you know that they are hearing a kind of a consciousness from the
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a simple in certain interactions so i think. that we need to do precinct about how we can implement a more human rights consciousness. humans can still control the brains of their robots but what happens if they succeed in giving machines their own consciousness through the use of advanced artificial intelligence. ethics expert. say that we have to deal with the situation before it gets out of hand. but for me the bottom line is that people who talk about risk today i should not be dismissed as all luddites scare mongers very doing safety engineering just when you think through everything they can go wrong. with it you can guarantee that in those raids that's how we successfully sent people to the moon safely and that's our success for they give us and their species
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into an inspiring future with ai i'm optimistic that we can create a truly inspiring future with the rise of artificial intelligence if we win this race between the growing power of the technology and the wisdom of which we manage it that challenges that in the past. our strategy for staying ahead in this wisdom ace's always been learning from mistakes you know 1st in that fire then after all accidents invent the fire extinguisher with something as powerful as nuclear weapons or especially. fission intelligence school we don't want to learn from mistakes to turn to strategy is much better to be proactive rather than reactive now plan ahead and get things right the 1st time which might be the only time we get. to end our journey into ai you can schmidt who shows us one of the world's most powerful computers. he
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believes that ai will have an enormous and positive impact on society a digital paradise but other experts predict that we are on the verge of a robot apocalypse. in any case the development of artificial intelligence must be subject to strict ethical guidelines otherwise we may become slaves to our own technology. collected by children in india. and used on mask by cosmetics companies. my cut is a long material that's mine in highly risky conditions. combining business with conscience it's a balancing act for the manufacturing industry. global 3000.
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