3. have fun in pyongyang starts feb 28th on w. . this is deja vu news live from berlin the united states tells its allies of the new nick security conference that the west is winning happy to report that the death of the transatlantic alliance is grossly over exaggerated but while u.s. secretary of state my pump a.o. tries to reassure the rest of nato french president a man you would not call tells the audience the west is weaker and europe must rely

on itself. the next by sir welcome to our special coverage of the new nick security conference world leaders meeting in southern germany have already laid out of posing views on the health of the western alliance facebook c.e.o. mark zuckerberg is due to address delegates shortly we'll bring you that live as soon as it happens but earlier today u.s. secretary of state mike pump aoe rejected claims that his country is a backing away from its role as a global leader. day 2 of the munich conference one of the main speakers u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo he began by contradicting a thesis put forward the day before by german president func father steinmeyer winning that the united states rejects the international community and quote.

here this morning to tell you the facts i'm happy to report that the death of the transatlantic alliance is grossly over exaggerated that may be but the morning's other main speaker was not so sure french president emmanuel mccall said europe must become more independent of the us soon after that we have no freedom to act then we have no credibility in foreign policy and we can't be a junior partner to the united states of america. mccord peo also disagreed over one of the main themes of this year's conference that the west is losing global influence. when i look at the word as it is being shaped and that is the theme of your conference this year there is indeed a weakening of the west. looks you know this idea of west was necessary as the core theme for this year's conference and i'm sure to there many of you who would call yourself a realist but let me give you an idea of what's real the west is winning on policy

it goes on 15 years ago we thought that our values were universal that we were going to dominate the world in the long term that we were dominant in terms of technology military and so on and then i look at the horizon of 1015 years we are going to be increasingly pushed by other agendas and other values of the free west has a far brighter future than a liberal alternatives or winning or doing it together. it was left to nato secretary general young starting back to try and smooth over the continuing transatlantic tensions europe and north america are indispensable partners 2 sides of the same korean so when we stand together we can compete with confidence protect our interests defend values thank you.

and for more on this let's go straight to use correspondent terry scholz who is in munich at the security conference terry you were moderating the panel with peo this morning so what was your biggest takeaway. i think we heard it there nic it was incredible to hear secretary of state pompei oh a man who has criticized the european union who as chastize european policies say that we are all moving forward together we're on the same side and this is all working if you listen to european union leaders of course they will point out that the u.s. has dumped some of the policies they would have liked to work on together like climate like iran nuclear control of the regime and they don't have the same view at all so the most the most striking thing this morning in those 3 panels was secretary secretary of state pompei as fervent defense of transatlantic ties as we saw in the report there were very contrasting views from palm tayo and the french

president emanuel what do it what do you make of that contrast. well in a sense it was sort of like mcclellan actually agreeing with what the united states has said you're it needs to do that europe needs to strike out more on its own that it needs to be able to defend itself and here the french president is saying yeah let's do that and secretary pompei was saying we didn't mean it all by yourself we'll still be there for you will always be there for you were on the same team so this was really not as not so much of a losing but a reversal of of roles so it was quite interesting i have to say ok i'm going to tell our viewers that in the top right hand of our screen they can see mark zuckerberg the c.e.o. of facebook is just sitting down with the and we're going to listen in to their discussion as it unfolds down. one of the new issues. you know in addition to rockets and and tanks and military issues where if the new

questions for us is. concerned do we need to be about meddling in our elections about many palatial. of democratic process seats. that would and have in fact in various countries led to a fall in confidence for the voters for the for the larger public and what if anything . is your view as the as i mean you know if facebook were a country. mark would be the president of the largest country in the world because you have more users than the biggest countries in the world so what do you think ed facebook could review to encourage you people to do have trust in the system. and that everything is being done to prevent the

manipulation of our democratic processes. sure so thank you it's great to be here. on election as certainly there are a number of threats here what we've seen since 2016. after and the u.s. elections in 2016 where we and i think frankly probably all of the internet companies were slow to understanding the kind of information operations. that russia and others were running on mine. since then we've seen the tactics of all there are been more than 200 elections around the world since then we've played a role in helping to defend the integrity of after those and 2016 we really looked at this and said ok it's the security landscape that we face is not just one of

traditional hacking like we've seen before it's now one where these kind of coordinated information campaigns are going to be an increasing part of the landscape so we need to make sure that we get ahead of that and we've developed a number of techniques for doing that that i think have been quite successful mostly developing ai systems that can identify fake accounts and networks of accounts that aren't behaving in the ways that people would in the last year or so we took down about 50 coordinated information operations including in the last couple of weeks we took down one that was coming out of russia in ukraine and one. coming out of iran that was targeting the us and we've gotten increasingly sophisticated at working on this we take down now more than a 1000000 fake accounts a day across our network the vast majority of those are within minutes of signing

up for the fake account the vast majority are not connected to state actors trying to interfere in elections they're in a combination of spammers and people trying to do different things but certainly part of that is a state effort so the ai systems to identify when one accounts are not behaving in the way that people would are really important. the collaboration's with governments in election commissions are significantly stronger than they were in 2016 around the world with the intelligence community there's good or at least significantly better exchange between the tech companies of signals that we see and threats that we see with the intelligence community and law enforcement around the world that is going quite well in the last year we've seen an evolution of the threats in a few big way is one of the things that we're tracking that that we have been quite worried about is that increasingly election interference through these coordinated information campaigns is not just foreign interference of the type that

we saw before but it's increasingly also domestic so you have political parties in different countries and local actors also trying to employ the same kind of tactics some of the same systems around ai and in just human operations that we have inside our companies are still able to identify the identify fake accounts in an authentic behavior and take that down but it is somewhat harder because we're not now just able to say hey something coming from a foreign country can't participate in this electoral discourse when when the interference is coming from inside the house or inside the country we've also definitely seen these actors get more. sophisticated trying to hide their tracks so it used to be you know there would be a network of different actors. who were all kind of coming from the same ip address in one country and now they're trying to mask their behavior by you know at least coming from different networks you know often trying to appear as if they're coming

from a number of different countries but the same kind of systems that we have. the detecting this kind of behavior are generally improving in sophistication of a faster rate than the adversaries are so that's good but we need to watch out for this this is just one final thought on this is this is just a massive effort for us at this point in addition to the technology that i mentioned we have 35000 people now at facebook working on content and security review so to put that in perspective our budget in 2020 on security for these and other kinds of threats is bigger today than the whole revenue of our company was when we went public in 2012 and it's not like we were a small company then there were a 1000000000 people using our services in 2012 but the scale of what we need to do on security today is bigger than the scale of the whole company was just 8 years ago so certainly the threats are out there i think we are getting increasingly sophisticated the partnerships are getting better i'm more confident about where we

are in the e.u. parliamentary elections that recently happened. and i actually went in testified in new parliament about a number of things that we were doing and afterwards the president of the parliament issued a statement saying that that he felt like we'd honored our commitments and help to deliver a relatively clean election online so i'm proud of the results that we've made here but we need to stay vigilant this is definitely an area where there will continue to be threats it's interesting for this. secure these special there's this room that barely what's going on in your field is exactly the same thing that's been going on in the classic movie. airfield as your oftens improves the defense sharpens up and starts becoming more sophisticated. and that mutually be forced to reinforce each other so is that a process that you see i mean you mentioned it already they are beginning to get more sophisticated are you sure that you can you know stay ahead of of

this and catch the bad guys. well as you say it is adversarial so we improve the law enforcement community improves the partnerships improve the adversaries are also improving. i think given how little the baseline level of defense against this kind of attack was in 2016 we've been able to improve the defenses at a substantially faster rate then the adversaries have been able to improve the oftens but it is evolving and like you say they are improving so there are different kinds of threats that we see so moving on from elections 1st 2nd that's certainly one kind of content issue but we also have issues around things like hate speech and one of the differences between hate speech and elections is that the people who go out who say heat for things aren't necessarily getting smarter and saying hateful things so as the ai systems get better we generally are just

catching more and more of the hate speech and they were able to take it down and it's not like like that like speech is getting more sophisticated so they're it's i think that as the systems get better we will get closer and closer to having a lower prevalence of that in the system is worse than something that is adversarial like elections. or election interference we just need to stay on top of it and i think we can take for granted this isn't a problem that you ever fully solve and we will keep on needing to to work on the the defenses but at this point i do feel like we're improving faster than the adversaries and there have been a track record since 2016 of a number of very important high profile major elections which i think there have been relatively clean results in an online discourse and that i think can give us some confidence going forward so would you saying is. if i can rephrase this i mean i read that in the summer of 2018 you were quoted as

saying that you would need about one of the have years to fully quote unquote retool facebook's content and security rules now are you saying that you're not confident that you were equipped to handle.