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africa. we are in hanover at the dome a text trade fair which features state of the york flooring concepts the exhibitors at the perp a 1000000000 offer top quality products and claim that they meet strict environmental standards. one stand belongs to the bows of each company the wood for bows of each has products comes from the primeval forests of the amazon region. the company assures consumers who are concerned about the environment that they can buy its products with confidence. those of it has earned a seal of approval from the forest stewardship council or if a see a nonprofit organization that promotes responsible management of the world's forests. but can logging in rain. forests ever really be environmentally

sustainable. trunk mel is a german government expert on the sourcing and purchasing of tropical timber. then as if the most inside of eyes of all when german consumers buy tropical wood products that are certified by the f a c they are making a contribution to the preservation of the rain forests and by supporting sound timber management policies mr a sufficient us i suppose yes. but can buying products that have the f.s.e. seal that really stop the excessive exploitation of primeval forest. the bows of each company harvest wood in the forests of peru to make flooring

products. this is the or to wrangle forest a pristine paradise in the amazon basin. we want to find out where bows of itch and f.s.e. certified company harvest timber for its wood floors are ice and this local manager says the f.s.e. has imposed strict guidelines on harvesting. in an area the size of a football field only one tree may be removed in 20 years. this process is called selective cutting. this is the tree they're going to cut down today. there are 3 out of the tree over there back there the one in the middle the white one. which is about the. 20 meters high. if you make the ball looming it's about 60 years old and has been producing seeds for 50 years if

wolf the trunk is particularly straightforward and so we get a lot of what. selective cutting is considered a sustainable procedure the f.s.e. has given its seal of approval to the bows of each company for several years now. thank. those of each believes it's taking a responsible approach and the german government claims that the f.s.e. is helping to preserve the rainforest for. but is that really true to find out more we travel to vancouver canada for an f. a c. conference. the organization's motto is forests for all for ever.

be a 1st sea has invited 1st nations peoples who live in the rain forests of southwestern british columbia to perform as conserving forests is also about the estimated 100000000 people worldwide who call these areas home. from all sorts of conflicts kim carstensen is director general of the f.s.e. . and i'm so thrilled to be here with you. it's a conferences like this one that the future of the world's forests is largely determined the f.s.e. has members in 85 countries. those who live in the forests members of the w w f and greenpeace and industry representatives all share responsibility for preserving our forests but while some want to protect nature others here want to cut down trees and f.s.e. promotional video and there is the tree. and the forest where the

tree grows. and the warming who cares for land. there is the man who listens to the birds to make sure its employees who sounds when. we ask him carstensen what his organization stands for. f. a c. is about responsible for us much more that means that this is a forest management that ensures that the forces that now but it would also be the next year and the year after and for the next generation so if se is very much about maintaining force carbon maintaining force quality and to make sure that the forest is that also for the next generations. to ensure this forest management policies are regularly reviewed f.s.e. conferences 3 groups are allowed to vote. for as dwellers environmentalists and the timber industry. as usual in politics much of the policy

work is done out in the lobby. indigenous forest inhabitants fight to preserve their habitat environmentalists aim to save primeval forest and industry wants to cut down as many trees as it can while keeping the f.s.e. seal of approval. image matters to multinational companies and f s c approval helps them look good. when it comes to forest certification. fs c. is the most rigorous and accepted system on the market right now. in theory all 3 groups have equal voting rights. but greenpeace international a founding member of the f.s.e. claims that environmentalists are being pushed around by the timber industry. and as we'll see later during this film shoot greenpeace took drastic action. at the

conference in vancouver the f.s.e. claim that under its leadership the world's forests are in good hands what is the german government say about that. consumers alone should not have to bear all the responsibility for preserving the forests it's good for us we have to make sure that the companies that make wood and wood base products don't source wood from primeval forests in a non sustainable way that could destroy these. tickets is good for us to trust and . we've come to london to meet one of the sharpest critics of the f.s.e. simon council was a co-founder of the organization but soon quit over policy disputes he believes that the f.s.e. gives the timber companies too much power the timber industry itself has brought in as one of the key stakeholders of this body and part of the decision making process which we felt was strongly felt was flawed because the whole system was to be there to inspect and in a sense regulate the tender industry so it shouldn't really have been involved.

council says the timber industry influence prevents the f.s.e. from making truly independent analyses. we want to find out whether that's true. we return to timber land license or concessions to the bows of each company in peru . how do they make sure that f.s.e. guidelines are followed. it be said for you would offer proof of origin. we use these markings to keep track of this one from block 4. line 33. number 20. these markings are on every tree that ends up in the sawmill. wood from f.s.e. approved selective cutting is marked in red the f. a c. calls this controlled wood. lumber from other suppliers that don't have the f.s.e.

seal is marked in blue. in theory the red and blue stacks should stay separated as they are here but sometimes they get mixed together by mistake. control is one of the big controversies inside if for some it's always been a big controversy the good news i think is that we have to strengthen the control board standard and i think everybody agrees now that there is a level of control. but what exactly does level of control mean. we travel to the peruvian capital lima to meet an expert on the country's timber industry. who works for the environmental investigation agency or an advocacy group feet she's just finished a report that indicates that many timber companies falsify documents on the origins of trees as shown by government investigations. well there in this report i don't

see these are there or did we lose before the show the largest number so. that's ok because the law does it for years right so does that small of a surprise but the growth here is that the this isn't the keep showing large numbers of papers. and then from there now 490 papers of the uses that where some both here at least 62 are you know documented by official i mean by the government wanted by people from a kid i think the problem is that her and if you see something that's when we do. because we think that we want to feel that we do something and so i actually feel very frustrated by what you know being able to believe or to the offer is not in my country. the wood from the peruvian forests is transported to the river ports of call kulpa. the tree trunks are tied together there are

hundreds and probably thousands of logs here waiting to be shipped to lima for processing. a local boat captain has some disturbing news. i think. all these logs have been cut down illegally. everyone around here knows that. it is known as the hub of the illegal timber trade in peru is from here that illegally sourced logs gets shipped to timber companies. and the e.i.a. says many will go to pose of a. local insiders tell us where in the forest illegal logging is currently taking place. we plan to fly over those areas to capture aerial footage. we head toward the 1st location.

after about an hour we see a recently logged area it's been clear cut. a blue tent stands in the corner of the bald patch in the middle of the jungle. a little while later we spot something that looks like a transport dock. tree trunks line the water's edge they were probably brought here from the forest. it doesn't seem as if the f.e.c. has managed to stop illegal logging here in peru. regarding both of it which we are aware of the i.a.e.a. reports we are aware that on phones for both the us will for a tissue of europe into some of these cases to our knowledge none of that material was officially certified to receive regular to our knowledge then maybe it's from issues with it but it's not officially certified therefore we're still interested in the company because if the company is involved and again that she had one way or the other then that's of course an issue for us. back in lima we've come to blows

of bitches love processing complex this is where the wood is prepared for export. company's c.e.o. drug oboes a bitch shows us prime lumber that's 100 percent f.e.c. certified. although he also says logs do come in from known f.s.e. suppliers. so that means to move ahead programs was used. blocks the president we're having problems we see problems getting worse we just try to yeah here and borders. you know bunch of voter introversion. he says almost whatever the cost should be scary fire. so it's also a seizure if you've got to be able to prove it you can write north to see. no

you see that charity any words bob says. so the f.s.e. checks on the origin of the word but seems to ignore the fact that both of each has traded in timber that may have forged origin documents. so how credible is the f a c. seal of approval we asked simon council in london one would think if you're buying a product with an f.s.a. label that would be a quite simple message to the the would inside this product is all from an acceptable source that has been actually inspected by the audit is and guaranteed to be from an acceptable source f.s.e. 100 percent in which the label product contains only f.s.e. certified timber is actually just a very small part of the picture and the others are from what i call euphemistically controlled wood and controlled wood is that which.

hasn't actually been controlled so instead of audiences on behalf of f.s.e. going into the forest to inspect the logging operations it's basically done from a desk somewhere else in born or in london ok so we have some examples of f. a c. 75 products here let's have a look at these labels. this paper there 1st see paper from responsible sources but importantly you see this word mix on here this particular product itself may have no f s e certified material in it so in that sense this label is misleading to the consumer in living is believe that it is from responsible sources it may not be at all. so you hear this product f.s.e. mix toilet paper. interesting here a box of. is. the mix again in some of the all some of these

officially certified from acceptable sources and some of them not impossible to know from the f. a c. label yeah ok so what do you have to seize director general have to say about the organization certification system. there's no other system that works better than the system of certification there's no other system that is able to get together stay kodos and from an organization and social groups trade unions and the companies who are managing the forest to agree what do we mean by responsible forest management what are the standards that we want to set for how we define this no other system does that we in addition i have quality control which we have ordered set happen if a company such as from. and if the certification team is meeting at this hotel and on part of their work today will involve checking to see whether timber companies active in the world's great forests are complying with the organization's guidelines. we want to find out how the certification process works and file

requests to accompany 10 different verifications but the f.s.e. turns down our requests so we continue with our research. in the congo basin forest european timber companies have permits that allow them to cut down trees in given areas with f s c certification. in the capital brazzaville we're meeting a man who's been approving those permits for years. we've agreed to protect his identity. and we're not going to specifically name the companies that he's going to talk about. i want to do withdraw the certificate from a certain company but when i met with the boss of that company he got so angry i left the hotel immediately. that night i feared for my life when i told my boss about the meeting he also got angry and said i was no longer to inspect that forest

concession the timber companies pay money to keep their certification we checkers are independent in theory but not really. because in practice we go to a site do a check and afterward nothing changes the companies go back to cutting down many more trees than they're allowed to. in such a situation you see it was slow to see it's this really just. i think we've seen a situation where it's absolutely possible to take action related to the certified operations in the congo basin one example would be that we disassociate it from interim coach 4 years ago and they are now back in again because they improve their performance and all of that and this is sort of in the past but we could disassociate and it didn't create problems of that nature i don't. we've come to the northern jungles of the republic of congo to meet some of the local residents.

they belong to a group of semi-nomadic hunter gatherers called the bug. in this area or sell in some of her friends girl manioc and other crops from which they are in a living. the congo based company a subsidiary of the swiss company interpol co has purchased a permit to cut down trees here. the bulk of people say it is making their lives difficult because company security guards have imposed strict controls on the amount of crops they can grow within each of those concessions. the evil forest concession covers an area of about 11000 square kilometers massive logs get transported out by trucks the company says it takes a selective approach to cutting down the trees. says this selective cutting complies with f. a c. guidelines. and the f. a c. says the logging roads don't harm the local environment. matthew hansen

is a geographer at the university of maryland in the us he uses nasa satellite maps to keep track of how logging affects various regions around the world. i'll assume into. the republic of congo and all of a sudden you do see the logging road so we've seen these before. and so we can zoom in to a sort of f.s.e. certified concession as evil concession the logging roads are beautifully maintained. gorgeous you can see the the extractions of the trees themselves off the side of the logging road so this is very. very clear that we're getting actually the logging signal in parts of these concessions not everywhere the different colors represent the different years of the cut so this was early in the 2000 this is a couple years ago this was a little 2016 it is amazing because you're bringing this human footprint and when

we're there we see the forest elephants you see the chimpanzees in the gorillas it's like you've opened up this. primeval forest and all of a sudden you can drive you know a 100 kilometers an hour straight down here to where nobody took you a few weeks to walk i think there's a cascade of effects here that are changing what was a natural forest eco system with with low population levels of subsistence farmers and fisher people. and so now you have something pretty irreversible. develop the people tell us they're not even allowed to hunt anymore because the company has to protect the animals so it won't lose its f.s.e. label. denies these claims. that the vodka used to kill monkeys in gazelles for food but now they say they often don't have enough to eat. today

they're again preparing a meal from crushed kasatka leaves. what. the words are this woman is upset about the situation she says people can't hunt and there are no jobs. there aren't any schools for the children and their prospects for the future are bleak. she says the timber companies should leave the area. where. the bulk of people say if or won't let them earn a living we asked the company about this and it denied the accusations. the f.s.e. continues to defend the logging practices of the 2 largest timber companies now operating in congo if the interpol co subsidiary and c.i. b. . i have been through both cia through into oracle i've seen the way that interactions peoples are given separate school credit because they're not going to be part of the ordinary schools by the other into the

other groups of the population so i've seen all of these things and i certainly know that indigenous peoples on being respected and that they are given access to more than 2 cities that they never ever had before. this is part of the land covered by c.r.b. is permit your poker in northern congo. there do seem to be modern facilities here but these are mainly benefiting c.r.b. employees and less so the bulk of people who live in the huge forest concession when this bucko woman carries her child as she walks through the streets asking for money as others in her situation she seems in the period the bucha have lived in harmony with nature for several 1000 years and now their lives have been disrupted by timber companies that have been approved by the f.s.e. and the forests to see what they might become we travel to brazil where large tracts of ancient forest have been replaced by eucalyptus plantations. these

students are studying whether such monoculture is meet the criteria for sustainable forest management. there professor claimants lesh of ski teaches political ecology at the university of minas sure ice. this plantation was one of the 1st monocultures in brazil to receive the f.s.e. seal of approval. he says that eucalyptus crops are popular because they're inexpensive to maintain and can be harvested in just 10 years. but the monoculture crops also dry out the soil and don't provide a habitat for wildlife. so how did this plantation qualify for f.s.e. approval. because on concepcion this sort of land use was once classified as non-sustainable by environmentalists we even said it's extremely harmful pretty much the only thing worse than this type of monoculture would be to pave over the

whole land. we asked matthew hansen to describe the spread of monocultures in brazil. so we zoom in to the area around you know up a list in the coast of this eco system that's called the boche atlantica you can see dramatic expansion when we see these blues these are new plantations and we see the pinks those are all the plantations that were cleared and regroup and f.s.e. certified monocultures i mean it's a contradiction in terms right if it literally was founded to combat mold of what monoculture is now monocultures are certified this is this is. it's a logical fallacy doesn't make sense. so but that i don't agree with that i do agree that you got you have to have your. your poll paper timber land use is somewhere because we all use these products and and. i don't think it's

a hard argument to make that they that this at this time in our history they shouldn't be replacing natural force. this is atlantic forest on the east coast of brazil the level of biodiversity here used to be even higher than that of the amazon region today more than 90 percent of the atlantic rain forest has been destroyed. only the precious hillsides remain largely untouched. just a small proportion of this rain forest is actually under protection and even here illegal logging goes on. the pulp mill varicella was convicted of illegal deforestation in 2008 today it has f.s.e. certification. but in the village of parities a local residents have been arguing with varicella about its land use policy. the land used to belong to the catholic church which then gave it to the people.

but then there are cells started replacing the villagers being crops with eucalyptus plants. here you can see the new crops growing right. hind the residents houses. the eucalyptus plants suck up a lot of water leaving little for local people's crops. there or so has made a lot of these people angry they gather to tell us of their experience. this man shows us some of various sells promotional materials which claim that the company pays close attention to the rights of the rural population. but that doesn't appear to be the case here. more sprawling often with a lot of people have parodies or say that very cell has driven them off their land . and their frustration is apparent i think where is that ever from one level of the movie that was near the boardwalk some residents claim that the local police

even showed up and forced them to leave their homes. i mean i like where they came over at about 8 in the evening when the police have close ties to russia so they didn't have a court order to fictionalise my wife and our one year old child were sleep at the time. i do you know i think you should go to the police were brutal they used machetes to hack our home to pieces the children weren't even allowed to eat 1st we were just told to get out we were made to flee as if we were criminals. the group has now gone to court to try to get their land back until there is a conviction varicella will keep its f.s.e. seal and rights and person is a very very complicated issue there's a court case ongoing as long as the corkage ongoing and various other sort of legally holding the land there's no problem with their certificate obviously once the court case has been decided and depending on what the outcome going to be then

of course we expect rochelle to follow the outcome of the court. professor the ships struggles with this decision by the f a c. he says this case says vera so occupying local farmers land in parody still. says i think it's just incredible that the people here have to fight for land and food against a company that makes toilet paper for europe. is i just can't get my head around that no matter how big picture i think this makes me really sad. perhaps parodies 0 is an exception we drive through the large plantation toward the coast where another village has been affected by various cells land use policy. professor leisure scheme has heard there is a dispute in that indigenous reserve to. as foreigners we have written

permission to enter the reserve when we arrive the residents are headed for a meeting to talk about varicella. we wait outside until the meeting has finished. at the tribal leaders then greet us they say varicella has taken their land and is now using it to grow eucalyptus plants. blushes he tries to find out what sort of agreement the villagers worked out with faris l. o. lord according to f s c guidelines companies have to negotiate with local residents before they take action. no sabia no did that happen here. you know you know beauty's you well there was a hearing but one of the chiefs got up and said that cell was doing everything right. he's from an area with tourism and the company paid him to say that. it

upfront thoughtful you. know that's a serious accusation and we wanted to talk to varicella about it. the company's certification experts 1st promised us an interview but then cancelled it. here varicella is refusing to grant our additional request for a meeting. according to the f.e.c. reports this dispute has been settled but indigenous groups say they feel very a cell has stolen their land. a sense of fear until they feel that the eucalyptus plantation is wiping them out. it was difficult for me to hear them say that. one of the tribal leaders said that the company is ruining the local environment and wiping them out. eucalyptus crops have almost completely replaced the rain forest in this region. this has changed the face of the landscape. paper products made from trees that were cut down here we'll have

the f. a c. seal for sustainable forest management. and there are so has created jobs here. you have to calculate how many jobs have been created protector and then weigh that against the number of people who've been deprived of their livelihood and in this case the numbers are way out of balance. if we create about 2000 jobs over hundreds of thousands of hectares and at the same time 50000 families lose their farmland and that's just not right and for you to leave school and longer by starvation follows their service a company that has been checked every single year actions think up certified in 2008 we have had several investigations into the claims that came from difference they called us and the certificate as far as we can see is still completely valid and there's a lot of good things to say about. so the f.s.e. is satisfied but what about the complaints from the villagers. i've been involved

in a number of the formal complaints against questionable certificates on the 1st c. system none of those have succeeded in fact i'm not aware that any single complaint through the office the system has ever worked. this drone has just taken off at a large primeval forest on the white sea in european russia. greenpeace employees villain the butt cheek and thomas henningsen want to shoot some video of clear cut logging in the devinsky forest the last remaining section of intact forest landscape here then the forest is. to plants and animals facing the threat of extinction with. this forest is an ecological treasure trove with a wide variety of sensitive species. in this sub arctic climate the trees grow very slowly that's why the trunks are so thin. there are

many rare masses lichens and insects in this ancient native forest. but here too a lot of trees have been cut down by companies that have the f.s.e. seal of approval. on the yep a c. was a good idea the 1st year in russia but now it's causing a lot of damage 1st timber companies are hiding behind the epis the seal because there are no ecologically sustainable operations here and companies that know that are logging even more including in the primary will forest with the 1st the seal teams even if. the timber companies are allowed to clear up to $35.00 hectares in one go. who do you feel the sense of that you ever see a clear cut 10 years after. you ever see how it actually grows back are you

actually have forest again this area is not dead this area actually maybe not with exactly the same values actually grows back into forest that is managed and valuable for people and for nature. of cardstock that area was clear cut just 5 or 6 years ago and it's going to take centuries before it looks like a real forest to get rid of it so you have ita. f.s.e. certified areas in russia taken together are larger than denmark. the trees are also being cut down to supply western consumers. the plight of. these spruce logs look there but the rings tell us that there's 60 to 70 years old. they're too small or used for wood products so they turn these logs into poultry for paper or peter goelz or most of it is used to make disposable products like toilet paper or tissues or packaging. for the population of the forest that one studio is being

turned into paper products and then tossed away poppier into treasure for a cost mr professional. tree. the story. one simple action can have a profound impact look for products with the f.s.e. logo and help protect the health of our forests for all forever. our f.s.u. certified forests really in good shape this team of scientists is trying to find out. these research group is led by german biologist and conservationist pierre if you wish. the scientists have determined that the environmental damage is not

confined to the loss of trees. heavy logging equipment is also compacting the soil here. that means that water can no longer drain away making it very difficult for new trees to grow. this is the 1st scientific study to assess the impact of f.s.e. certified logging since the organization was founded in 1903. that's the researchers start by measuring trees in a non-certified area they also determine the age of the trees if a forest has a lot of old trees it's considered healthy. the team also measures the temperature on extremely hot or cold days a healthy forest will moderate the temperature beneath its tree canopy a damaged forest cannot this data will then be compared with the results from f.s.e. certified areas to determine how much the organization helps forests. the f.s.e. says it's waiting for the results. we're very interested and the results of the

study professor and we have invited him to come here and present that to us because we would like to mine as we always want to learn from from russia. this is the university of our school where professor aebischer is presenting the preliminary results of his team's research. the study was commissioned by the w w f a founding member of the f.s.e. . says that f.s.e. guidelines don't have much impact on how the forest is used. in this issues is the change the station you saw. the forest use these just go all over the last few cuts this year the presentation unsettles the timber industry representatives present. after aebischer gave his talk one of the logging companies withdrew its permission for us to film on their land. some managers fear

the study could damage the russian timber industry we asked matthew hansen for his opinion. proof we go over to the ark and guess region you can see very clearly the clear cuts and we have to see the landscape. the idea that. sustainable logging is represented through large scale clear cuts is difficult to understand and it's that perversion that really bothers me both as a citizen and as a scientist where. if there is a program to do sustainable logging but in fact the facts of the ground say it's actually in opposition to sustainability. it's it's has worse affects than being forthright to begin with so if you're fully transparent people know what they're buying and they sign up for that but if you're lying to

misleading them and they think that they're doing this a stable thing with your product and in fact they're not this is of course a worse worst case i think it's true that the timber consuming public has been betrayed by the f. a c. and b. we've been led to believe that these labels enable us to purchase these timber products with a clear conscience but actually we now know that these products can contain wood from sustainable sources from tropical rain forest from indigenous peoples lands even from forest your operation with a completely illegal. when the f.m.c. was created in 1993 the conservationists goal was to stop clear cutting and save the primeval forest that gold is not being reached. which is why in march 28th seen greenpeace announced it would not renew its membership in the sea. views and also missed sea we left because the

f.s.e. unfortunately does not ensure that primeval forest are protected from logging that our convoy is going to flog that we did for this is just the. toughest for us if you're proposing a boycott against any chamber from the against any timber from the congregation i think you're at the same time telling these countries that their forests should have no value or that they should have any benefit from the forest i think that's completely the wrong way. so the plantations will continue to expand and over the past 25 years the f. a c. has failed to stop timber companies from destroying large tracts of forest land around the world. the impact of all that logging has been dramatic. i think that we're now probably at the stage where we have to revert back to that idea the regulation by governments is what we need for its own feet we consume far

too many disposable paper and wood products we have to reduce recycle and reuse it . it seems we need legislation to save the primeval forests they cannot be protected with a simple seal. a cycle told good 0 for america shop on. a fast industry goes slow cool commuters opt for a trendsetter at $98.00. the roaring twenties about reloading.

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