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what is china really doing to its muslim we when already in the d.w. news investigation a paper trail leading to shimon rights abuses made possible by high tech surveillance tonight the chinese state tracking and terrorizing one of its own minorities religion and culture are treated like a crime in a hidden program of social reengineering that the world is not supposed to see i'm burned off in berlin this is the day. it's a detailed surveillance documentary it's extremely likely that this is authentic yes it's a jest but someone should tell the world what's going on i was really sad for days i couldn't sleep. i was really shocked.
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and sad about how to rest. the fascist chinese government wants to eliminate the weaker people listen john the entire population of shin john right in front of the eyes of the world. cup. also coming up what to do about the wear and tear on the world order as we know it at the munich security conference that question may not have received many answers but it did earn a new term the. theme of the munich security conference west les mis. i'm glad we've managed to provoke a bit of a debate. with you our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world welcome we begin the day. with
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documentation of discrimination religion and culture targeted by the chinese state a document leaked to d.w. news appears to confirm what many around the world have suspected trying is systematic and meticulous mistreatment of its muslim minority weaker people now for years the chinese government has claimed that large facilities housing weavers are reeducation center is part of a mass deal radicalization program but the united nations says as many as $1000000.00 we are being held against their will in camps located in the shin region of the country there in the west and chinese authorities claim that the people are there voluntarily and that they are receiving vocational training to help fight extremism but d.-w. news that its german media partners have evidence that contradicts that narrative apparently proving that china is putting we girls in prison based on their religion
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based on their culture investigative reporter naomi conrad has more. of them i would never have found out that my sister isn't it come without its least . some of the boys. it's a detailed surveillance document it's extremely likely that this is authentic yes it's paid but someone should tell the world what's going on there. is stumble. you know all. these men now we get muslims from china back home they could be imprisoned for the simple act of praying and i quickly come to realize that each one of them has a story of loss. and the fascist chinese government wants to eliminate the weaker people of junk the entire populate. john
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right in front of the eyes of the world. we asked them to raise their hands if they have family members who've been imprisoned in china's province where most weekends live. across chin jiang dozens of camps holding up to a 1000000 weekend. let's take a closer look at one of them they say is a reeducation camp next to a prison. we identified watchtowers and high schools. that countless camps like this one the chinese government claims they have fallen tree vocational training centers designed to fight we get stream it's. true but we received a document which shows that china's targeting week is based on the identity and religion it lists hundreds of detainees and the reasons for their detention are.
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posted weak academic kept away leah you perceived it from a source and took a huge risk sharing it with us. january 8 or you can see the phone call like it's messenger. and. he said stop doing this and we can reach you there are where you are yes it's the dress but someone should take the danger someone should speak up someone should tell the world what's going on. the document doesn't have any stamp
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or signature we showed it to several experts who agreed that it is almost certainly an official text. me it contains an enormous amount of extremely specific. data from one very small community in john and that. it would take an immense amount of effort and access to publicly unavailable data to fabricate a document like this in this neighborhood in istanbul where many we live we met one woman whose sister some mentioned on the list. but in news that talked to you knew some family members had been imprisoned but it shocked her when she found out that her younger sister was listed in the document calling back yet awhile. i was really sad for days i couldn't sleep. i was really shocked. and sad about her arrest. ok don't call them.
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china says it's fighting extremism but talk he says her younger sister wasn't religious her only crime she had too many children well on earth of the all of them though i heard that the conditions in prison are unimaginably bad they don't even have enough food to eat oh. yeah a lot though. she doesn't know if her relatives have been released like countless of the week is they have been cool top in china it's all encompassing anti terrorism try it or my 1st guest tonight was key to helping verify the authenticity of this leaked documents adrian sends is a senior fellow in china studies at the nonprofit victims of communism he joins us tonight from the u.s.
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state of minnesota it is good to have you on the date you say it's the details of the minutiae of this report that are unprecedented tell me more about that. just document lists the identities of nearly $3002.00 weaker adults plus hundreds of children it shows that the reasons for it internment in detail it shows don't tire family circus of 3 generations it discusses what it says is the religious inheritance system how people acquired religious knowledge even very minor religious knowledge how people started to pray just doing very harmless normal religious practice such as going to the mosque who told them to do that and finally we have a whole sequence of decisions for each person what it is should be released or not and to obtain this kind of data on so many individuals to monitor and to control so
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many people it requires an even larger army of people doesn't it. it doesn't china is sparing no manpower to do so besides extensive technological survey and such as hundreds of thousands of security cameras databases are not a technological means the chinese state has mobilized over 100000 chinese government officials were having to spend a lot of time interviewing and visiting we got families sleeping with them eating with them in with them and asking them a whole set of mandatory questions and a lot of that information ends up being entered through a smartphone app feeding huge data bases and elite document is basically the result of these databases and then you if you take the smartphone app out of the equation this sounds a lot like the secret police of east germany the stasi would you agree i would agree and i think shinji is subtly rivaling the record that eastern germany
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set in terms of the per capita of state operatives information gather us police forces of different types. is becoming the police state number one on this planet. what thank your even would you say does the corona virus outbreak play here is it actually helping the chinese state to strengthen its surveillance system now because i understand they're using facial recognition software to identify people who may be in a data bank as being infected with the virus for example. the chinese state is using some of the lessons it has learned in change young in oppressing the muslim minorities and is as you said indeed applying them in order to fight a so-called war on the virus now it's using technological means to try to track
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people. track their movements try to recognise where people have been but interestingly there's another parallel a war on the virus in eastern china in beijing in another place this is also a very labor intensive china's mobilizing hundreds of thousands of so-called great management workers they're responsible for letters writs little places that they have to take control of and that system has been parent yet in tibet and shinji so is it possible then that if this outbreak continues to grow and continues to last in china it's it could actually weaken the chinese state's ability to surveil the weavers is that what you're saying you know i think the chinese state is using a virus outbreak to use some of the oppressive domestic security strategies that it
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successfully applied in tibet and shinji young and it's implying them to the entire country it's also becoming an excuse to justify a greater invasion into privacy tracking people tracking movements controlling movements locking down neighborhoods i think beijing is going to use this to actually increase its campaign of domestic security and control over the population ok adrian since joining us tonight from the u.s. state of minnesota if you we appreciate your insights tonight thank you thank you. and to find out more about these leaked documents and the work of the w.'s investigative team go to our website www dot com or you can follow the hash tag caracas list. will there ever be peace again in libya germany was the latest country to push for a lasting cease fire in the country you may remember the summit here in berlin last
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month attended by world leaders well over the weekend at the munich security conference germany again hosted a meeting to come up with a plan to enforce a failing arms embargo in libya libya has been in turmoil ever since 2011 with militias battling for control of the oil rich country the fighting has intensified over the past year a conflict inflamed by foreign governments who have been funneling weapons to the various factions. when now the european union has agreed on a new naval mission to prevent the smuggling of weapons to libya despite resistance from italy and austria which seared naval boats could entice more migrants to cross the mediterranean i am happy to announce that after a very long discussion about the longest discussions and more discussions they remember we managed to reach a political agreement that this morning before started because i really thought it
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was going to be possible but we are going to launch a new operation to me iranian and we agreed that disapprobation we have as a goal to implementation of the arms in model in full but at the nation's security . division will come with comprise every deal satellite money time assets. all right i'm joined now from brussels by due to be used teri schultz terry was at the munich security conference this past weekend good to see you what do you make of this european union naval mission to enforce the arms embargo i mean is it going to last and will it work we really have no idea and as you heard you foreign policy chief joseph burrell say it was very very much a surprise that by the end of the day they were able to get everyone to agree on
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this mission and they are having to say that it is in principle because so many things are yet known about it i mean they haven't been able to work out what they call rules of engagement and this is a really tricky thing because as you might remember operation sophia which was the predecessor of this new mission also was responsible for picking up drowning migrants that's what doomed it that's what made italy demand that the operation be suspended so this new mission is supposed to only deal with enforcing the arms embargo and it's pretty unclear what will happen if you come across a boat full of drowning people they're obligated by international law to pick them up so there are many things and many things to be worked out ahead so we're not even sure how it's going to get off the ground or into the sea as it might be and very much further down the road to see if it will work with both turkey and russia shipping arms in constantly to libya there was a new term calling at the conference this weekend in munich west miss
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what is what's the what was it about. yes this was this was the title that was made up by the munich security conference to try to provoke dialogue there and i think it worked for from what i saw it was it was meant to sort of signal that the west was losing its influence over the rest of the world and losing its ambition to that you know the e.u. and the u.s. are working together so well anymore so that maybe they weren't going to be the powerhouses any longer and that was what they hoped to get people to talk about and it worked here and now that we know what west listeners is i want you to take a listen to this i think that we're seeing not just west listeners but more listeners and so the contribution of the west which is to say that accountability of power is essential in the modern world not just domestically but internationally is being lost there's no better example of that the most going on in syria today.
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syria 900000 people displaced by fighting in northwest serious since december alone that's according to the u.n. was syria even talked about in munich this week. not very much brant and that was to the great chagrin of david miliband who is now head of the international rescue committee syria was really not on the front burner even as you could read the headlines every day while we were at the conference hearing about about how desperate the situation is for civilians there that there are babies freezing to death every night that the shelling goes on and on and on and there you have the russian foreign minister sergei lavrov you know who is supporting the assad regime and yet everything was very civilized in syria really didn't come up they had you know things moving on afghanistan good news on afghanistan and they were pushing on libya but. it is i agree with david miliband it's kind of inexcusable we weren't talking about about syria and the incredible human tragedy unfolding there by the
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minute you moderated pamela's one with the u.s. secretary of state another with the u.s. defense secretary at the conference what did they say about the state of transatlantic relations today. well secretary pompei o came in and basically beat the europeans at their own game the europeans you know have been saying that the u.s. has been turning away has not wanted to reinforce the transatlantic ties so then secretary pompei ok min and in double the speaking time he was a lot of i might add made this speech saying the west is winning and we're both on the same team and we're on the winning team and everyone was was really surprised he was talking about what he considered the initiatives that the u.s. and e.u. were on the same side on and how successful they were he didn't talk about you know pulling out of the paris climate treaty he didn't talk about the iran deal where the u.s. and the e.u.
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were diametrically opposed to each other and so people in the audience were kind of shaking their heads and nobody stood up and applauded him which was probably what he was what had hoped. briefly was listening we know it has a lot to do with the the effect on geopolitics i mean if you compare the conference that we saw this week into the compass as we've seen just a couple years ago would you say that there's a slight hope that the new u.s. president would maybe restore were what seems to have been the wall sed. well brant i'm sure you read the polls in the united states as well and i don't see anybody any longer having a whole lot of hope that president trump is going to be defeated i mean i'm not there i'm not an expert at what's happening and of course the process is just getting under way but people have gone from a couple of years ago thinking that the trump phenomenon was a one time thing and that perhaps 4 years of him and then we can get back to normal
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the kind of normal way of discussing things of teaming up together between the u.s. and europe to thinking that it's going to be 4 more years of a trump presidency and people are trying to trying to calculate what is going to be irreversible after 8 years of trump when it comes to climate when it comes to the iranian nuclear program those are some of the the biggest concerns right now i don't think there's a lot of hope and a more free europe that they were just waiting it out for 4 more years but of course we are just at the beginning of the u.s. electoral season so i'm sure a lot of europeans still will keep their fingers crossed for. the 4 years you turned it in politics but also your geopolitics as well to results on the story for us tonight in brussels to we appreciate your insights thank you. well here in germany carnival celebrations are about to begin in the mostly catholic west of the country that means costume parties and parades leading up to
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the period of lit in the city of cologne one big grae is drawing criticism for its carnival suites my colleague rebecca rivers joins me now for the scoop on this is not such a sweet story here because the dispute about well that's very right brant the as you said mentioned a bakery in cologne has refashioned a regular suite that it sells all the time because it's a chocolate kisses and it's really it's causing quite widespread anger here in germany the shock of course has been exaggerated these one specially for connell carnival to feature. racial stereotypes facial racial stereotypes of african and north africans generally considered racist and offensive this afro german also. posted a picture of the pastries with the caption cafe from a year pastries discussed me kicked off a debate online and a lot majority of traffic in response to this has been a grant with. there's another person tweeted saying that they're in favor of
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imposing fines for colonial races portrayals like babies but you know the other people simply saying like what's the fuss well we have to say that this type of representations didn't just spring up overnight there is a history to absolutely i mean these depictions back to colonial era in the country and across europe and that these depictions have been around for a long time this bakery has been doing this every year since the 1960 s. so this product in particular in fact is not new to controversy when it was 1st released in germany in the 1920 s. it was called nigger coasts or negro kiss so you know obviously by today's standards this is very offensive. another name was more uncalled which is moore's headed reference to the morals of north africa until it was changed to the more neutral coos of today but progress is being made to make germany more inclusive to
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minority groups but instances like this are hollow elective understanding of just how offensive stuff like this can. be able to tell levels of sins or to have changed in just a short amount of time what about the bakery what's been its response to the wealth that defended themselves have come out here as i said they have been doing this since the 19th sixty's so perhaps they haven't understood how offensive it could be to so many they came out in an interview with a local paper and said there's no racist thinking behind it and our conviction rate reflects the look of conical costumes popular in past times and to date no one has complained so i'm just sort of hitting on that the past times of him people don't realize the offensive this could cause times of changing people are starting to speak up about these issues obviously this still a long way to go there is a long way to go that's for sure rebecca rivers as always rebecca we appreciate it thank you. well
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today is presidents' day in the united states a federal holiday established an $885.00 to honor the 1st u.s. president you see behind me george washington now it's placed on the calendar falls on the same week as washington's birthday which is february 22nd and over time the holiday has come to be a celebration of all presidents or at least of the office of the presidency and this is an election year in the u.s. a presidential election year and we were struck today by how varied how partisan how biting president's day messages can be i want you to consider this tweet from president trump's party the republicans or the g.o.p. they tweeted today we celebrate those whose leadership has shaped our nation from president george washington to and there you see it president trump now contrast this tweet with a video that was posted today by one of the democratic candidates hoping to beat trump in november. mr gorbachev tear down this wall
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built that wall built wall generous and decent not because we believe in ourselves like that punch him in the face but because it's beyond us who haven't thought of the future. sharp contrast sharper words there from presidents frost and current as well as from like when burke now the language of the u.s. president no doubt reflects the time and the society in which he or she lives for the bloomberg we have yet to hear his language he has not participated in the debates that is expected to change at the next debate within days almost on the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter either at the news you can follow me at bring t.v. or for me to use the hash tag the day every member whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see that everyone.
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deprived of their child and their future. tens of thousands of children finders who are orphaned. could become darius. just the fall of mosul they've been refused papers. and the chance of going to school. what will
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become of. close up. next d.w. . hundreds all thieves in my times. where i come from raj your remains uninformed moonsault transmitting new ones and for mission and when i was young my concert was drawing many conference award people most people want god. to see if. it was my job to in one cylon just say it's so thought everyone in the town. listen to those updates. nothing has been from incident my own comedy had enjoyed not just
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malls on the nor even not by us i was it's one of. my choice to be scottish because given the way told transmitted to the schools. man in the question how much and i will. get up here. next. the tigris river provides the residents of mosul with a welcome relief from the oppressive summer heat perhaps for a few moments these youngsters can forget the war that robbed them of their
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childhood. the black flags of the islamic state no longer fly over iraq's 2nd largest city.

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