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norty in a d.-w. news investigation a paper trail leading to human rights abuses made possible by high tech surveillance tonight the chinese state tracking and terrorizing one of its own minorities religion and culture are treated like a crime in a hidden program of social reengineering that the world is not supposed to see i'm burnt off in berlin this is the day. it's a detailed surveillance document it's extremely likely that this is authentic yes it's a guess but someone should tell the world when. i was really sound deniz i couldn't sleep. i was really shocked. and sad about how the rest. of the fascist chinese government wants to eliminate
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the weaker people of sin john the entire population of sin john right in front of the eyes of the world. cup. also coming up what to do about the wear and tear on the world order as we know it at the munich security conference that question may not have received many answers but it did earn a new term the. theme of the munich security conference west les mis. i'm glad we've managed to provoke a bit of a debate. with you our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world to welcome us we begin the day with documentation of discrimination religion and culture targeted by the chinese state a document leaked to the w news appears to confirm what. many around the world have suspected trying is
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systematic and meticulous mistreatment of its muslim minority weaker people now for years the chinese government has claimed that large facilities housing we are reeducation center is part of a mass deal radicalization program but the united nations says as many as 1000000 we are being held against their will in camps located in the shin region of the country there in the west and chinese authorities claim that the people are there voluntarily and that they're receiving vocational training to help fight extremism but d.-w. news and its german media partners have evidence that contradicts that narrative apparently proving that china is putting we girls in prison based on their religion based on their culture the w.'s investigative reporter naomi conrad has more. times than i would never have found out my sister if any come without its least
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rugger going to look at the boy. it's a detailed surveillance document it's extremely likely that this is authentic yes it's a dress but someone should tell the world what's going on there. is. no wall. these men now we get muslims from china that home they could be imprisoned for the simple act of praying i quickly come to realize that each one of them has a story of loss. in the fascist chinese government wants to eliminate the weak of people in john the entire population of john right in front of the eyes of the world. up we ask them to raise their hands if they have. family members who've been
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imprisoned in china's province where missed weekends live. across chin jiang there are dozens of camps holding up to a 1000000 we get. let's take a closer look at one of them this is a reeducation camp next to a prison. we identified watchtowers and high born. that countless camps like this one the chinese government claims they are fallen tree vocational training centers designed to fight weak it stream is. true but we received a document which shows that china's targeting week is based on the identity and religion it lists hundreds of detainees and the reasons for their detention are.
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also weaker academic kept away leah you perceived it from a source and took a huge risk sharing it with us. january 8 are you to see the phone call like it's messenger. and. he said that stop doing this and we can reach you where were you are yes it's the dress but someone. should take the danger someone should speak up someone should tell the world what's going on. in the document doesn't have any stamp or signature we showed it to several experts who agreed that it is almost certainly an official text. it contains an enormous amount of
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extremely specific. data from one very small community in. and that. it would take an immense amount of effort and access to publicly on available data to fabricate a document like this in this neighborhood in istanbul where many we live we met one woman whose sister some mentioned on the list. but in news i talked to knew some family members had been imprisoned but it shocked her when she found out that her youngest sister was listed in the document called mbeki edible. i was really sad for days i couldn't sleep. i was really shocked. and sad about her arrest. ok i'll call them.
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china says it's fighting extremism but talked he says her younger sister wasn't religious her only crime she had too many children well all of them though i heard that the conditions in prison are unimaginably bad they don't even have enough food to eat oh. well she doesn't know if her relatives have been released like countless other we they have been caught up in china's all encompassing anti terrorism drive. well my 1st guest tonight was key to helping verify the authenticity of this leaked document adrian sense is a senior fellow in china studies at the nonprofit victims of communism he joins us tonight from the u.s. state of minnesota if you it's good to have you on the date you say it's the details of the minutiae of this report that are unprecedented tell me more about
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that. just document lists the identities of nearly $3002.00 weaker adults plus hundreds of children it shows that the reasons for it internment in detail it shows don't tire family circus of a 3 generations it discusses what it says is the religious inheritance system how people acquired religious knowledge even very minor religious knowledge how people started to pray just doing very harmless normal religious practice such as going to the mosque who told them to do that and finally we have a whole sequence of decisions for each person what it is should be released or not and to obtain this kind of data on so many individuals to monitor and to control so many people it requires an even larger army of people doesn't it. it doesn't china is sparing no manpower to do so besides extensive technological
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survey and such as hundreds of thousands of security cameras databases are not a technological means the chinese state has mobilized over 100000 chinese government officials were having to spend a lot of time interviewing and visiting we got families sleeping with them eating with them in with them and asking them a whole set of mandatory questions and a lot of that information ends up being entered through a smartphone app feeding huge data bases and elite document is basically the result of the state of basis and then you if you take the smartphone app out of the equation this sounds a lot like the secret police of east germany the stasi would you agree i would agree and i think shinji is subtly rivaling the record that eastern germany set in terms of the capital of states operatives information gathering police
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forces of different types. is becoming the police state number one on this planet. one factor even would you say does the corona virus outbreak play here is it actually helping the chinese state to strengthen its surveillance system now because i understand they're using facial recognition software to identify people who may be in a database as being infected with the virus for example. the chinese state is using some of the lessons it has learned in change young in oppressing the muslim minorities and is as you said indeed applying them in order to fight a so-called war on the virus now it's using technological means to try to track people track their movements try to recognise where people have been but
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interestingly there's another parallel war on the virus in eastern china in beijing han and other places is also a very labor intensive china's mobilizing hundreds of thousands of so-called great management workers they're responsible for little threats little places that they have to take control of and that system has been paranoid in tibet and shinji so is it possible then that if this outbreak continues to grow and continues to last in china it's it could actually weaken the chinese state's ability to surveil the weavers is that what you're saying you know i think the chinese state is using the virus outbreak to use some of the oppressive domestic security strategies that it successfully applied in tibet and shinji young and it's implying them to the entire country it's also becoming an excuse to justify a greater invasion into privacy tracking people tracking movements controlling
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movements locking down neighborhoods i think beijing is going to use this to actually increase its campaign of domestic security and control over the population ok adrian since joining us tonight from the u.s. state of minnesota and we appreciate your insights tonight thank you thank you. and to find out more about these leaked documents and the work of the w.'s investigative team go to our website www dot com or you can follow the hash tag caracas list. will there ever be peace again in libya germany was the latest country to push for a lasting cease fire in the country you may remember the summit here in berlin last month attended by world leaders well over the weekend at the munich security conference germany again hosted a meeting to come up with a plan to enforce
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a failing arms embargo in libya libya has been in turmoil ever since 2011 with militias battling for control of the oil rich country the fighting has intensified over the past year a conflict inflamed by foreign governments who have been funneling weapons to the various factions. when now the european union has agreed on a new naval mission to prevent the smuggling of weapons to libya despite resistance from italy and austria which seared naval boats could entice more migrants to cross the mediterranean i am happy to announce that after a very long discussion the longest discussions and more discussion remember we managed to reach a political agreement that this morning before started because i really thought it was going to be possible but we are going to launch a new operation and immediately ran in and we agreed that the zipper
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a should we have as a goal to implementation of the arms in bottle full but united nations security council divination will come with comprise aerial satellite money time acids. all right i'm joined now from brussels by due to be used teri schultz terry was at the munich security conference this past weekend terri's good to see you what do you make of this european union naval mission to enforce the arms embargo i mean is it going to last and will it work we really have no idea and as you heard you foreign policy chief joseph burrell say it was very very much a surprise that by the end of the day they were able to get everyone to agree on this mission and they are having to say that it is in principle because so many things are yet known about it i mean they haven't been able to work out what they call rules of engagement and this is
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a really tricky thing because as you might remember operation sophia which was the predecessor of this new mission also was responsible for picking up drowning migrants that's what doomed it that's what made italy demand that the operation be suspended so this new mission is supposed to only deal with enforcing the arms embargo and it's pretty unclear what will happen if you come across a boat full of drowning people they're obligated by international law to pick them up so there are many things and many things to be worked out ahead so we're not even sure how it's going to get off the ground or into the sea as it might be and very much further down the road to see if it will work with both turkey and russia shipping arms in constantly to libya there was a new term calling at the conference this weekend in munich west les mis what is that what's the what was it about. yes this was this was the title that was
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made up by the munich security conference to try to provoke dialogue there and i think it worked for from what i saw it was it was meant to sort of signal that the west was losing its influence over the rest of the world and losing its ambition to that you know the e.u. and the u.s. aren't working together so well anymore so that maybe they weren't going to be the powerhouses any longer and that was what they hoped to get people to talk about and it worked here and now that we know what west listeners is i want you to take a listen to this i think that we're seeing not just west listeners but more listeners and so the contribution of the west which is to say that accountability of power is essential in the modern world not just domestically but internationally is being lost there's no better example of that the most going on in syria today. syria 900000 people displaced by fighting in northwest syria since december alone
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that's according to the u.n. was syria even talked about in munich this week. not very much brant and that was to the great chagrin of david miliband who is now head of the international rescue committee syria was really not on the front burner even as you could read the headlines every day while we were at the conference hearing about about how desperate the situation is for civilians there that there are babies freezing to death every night that the shelling goes on and on and on and there you have the russian foreign minister sergey lavrov you know who is supporting the assad regime and yet everything was very civilized in syria really didn't come up they had you know things moving on afghanistan good news on afghanistan and they were pushing on libya but. it is i agree with david miliband it's kind of inexcusable we weren't talking about about syria and the incredible human tragedy unfolding there by the minute you moderated pamela's one with the u.s. secretary of state another with the u.s. defense secretary at the conference what did they say about the state of
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transatlantic relations today. well secretary pompei ok men and basically beat the europeans at their own game the europeans you know have been saying that the u.s. has been turning away has not wanted to reinforce the transatlantic ties so then secretary pompei ok man and in double the speaking time he was a lot of i might add made this speech saying the west is winning and we're both on the same team and we're on the winning team and everyone was was really surprised he was talking about what he considered the initiatives that the u.s. and e.u. are on the same side on and how successful they were he didn't talk about you know pulling out of the paris climate treaty he didn't talk about the iran deal where the u.s. and the e.u. were diametrically opposed to each other and so people in the audience were kind of shaking their heads and nobody stood up and applauded him which is probably what he
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was what i've hoped. briefly wessels this we would house or want to do with the trump of geopolitics i mean if you compare the conference that we saw this week into the compass as we've seen just a couple years ago would you say that there's a slight hope that the new u.s. president would maybe restore were what seems to have been the wall pst. well brant i'm sure you read the polls in the united states as well and i don't see anybody any longer having a whole lot of hope that president trump is going to be defeated i mean i'm not there i'm not an expert at what's happening and of course the process is just getting under way but people have gone from a couple of years ago thinking that the trump phenomenon was a one time thing and that perhaps 4 years of him and then we can get back to normal the kind of normal way of discussing things of teaming up together between the u.s. and europe to thinking that it's going to be 4 more years of a trump presidency and people are trying to trying to calculate what is going to be
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irreversible after 8 years of trump when it comes to climate when it comes to the iranian nuclear program those are some of the the biggest concerns right now i don't think there's a lot of hope and a more free europe that they were just waiting it out for 4 more years but of course we are just at the beginning of the u.s. electoral season so i'm sure a lot of europeans still will keep their fingers crossed for what goes or proves the 4 years. in politics but also your politics as well to results on the story for us tonight in brussels to we appreciate your insights thank you. well here in germany carnival celebrations are about to begin in the mostly catholic west of the country that means costume parties and parades leading up to the period of lit in the city of cologne one bakery is drawing criticism for its carnival suites my colleague
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rebecca rivers joins me now for the scoop on this it's not such a sweet story here because the dispute about well that's very right brant as you mentioned a bakery in cologne has refashioned a regular suite that it sells all the time because of chocolate kisses it's causing quite widespread anger here in germany the shock of course has been exaggerated these one specially for connell carnival to feature. racial stereotypes facial racial stereotypes of african and north africans generally considered racist and offensive this afro german also. posted a picture of the pastries with the caption cafe from a year pastries discussed me kicked off a debate online and the lodge majority of traffic in response to this has been a grant. there's another person tweeted saying that they're in favor of imposing fines for colonial races patrols like they used but the other people simply saying
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like what's the fuss well we have to say that this type of representations didn't just spring up overnight there is a history to absolutely these depictions back to colonial era in the country and across europe and that these depictions have been around for a long time this bakery has been doing this every year since the 1960 s. so this product in particular in fact is not new to controversy when it was 1st released in germany in the 1920 s. it was called nigga coast's or negro case so you know obviously by today's standards this is very offensive. another name was more uncalled for just more headed reference to the morals of north africa and until it was changed to the more neutral coos of today but progress is being made to make germany more inclusive to minority groups but instances like this really highlight a lack of understanding of just how offensive stuff like this can. be able to tell
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levels of sensitivity have changed in just a short amount of time what about the bakery what's been its response to the wealth they defended themselves have come out here as i said they have been doing this since since the 1960 s. so perhaps that they haven't understood how offensive it could be to so many they came out in an interview with a local paper and said there's no racist thinking behind it and al confectionery reflects the look of conical costumes popular in past times and to date no one has complained so i'm just sort of made it on that the past time 7 people don't realize the offense that this could cause times of changing people are starting to speak up about these issues obviously this still a long way to go there is a long way to go that's for sure rebecca rivers as always rebecca pre-shared thank you. well today is presidents' day in the united states a federal holiday established an $885.00 to honor the 1st u.s. president you see behind me george washington now it's placed on the calendar falls
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on the same week as washington's birthday which is february 22nd and over time the holiday has come to be a celebration of all presidents or at least of the office of the presidency and this is an election year in the u.s. a presidential election year and we were struck today by how varied how partisan how by the presidents' day messages can be i want you to consider this tweet from president trump's party the republicans or the g.o.p. they tweeted today we celebrate those whose leadership has shaped our nation from president george washington to and there you see it president trump now contrast this tweet with a video that was posted today by one of the democratic candidates hoping to beat trump in november. mr gorbachev tear down this. wall built wall generous and decent not because we believe. like that
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punch him in the face but to. be a nurse grab out of the future. sharper words there from presidents. and current as well as from mike bloomberg now the language of the u.s. president no doubt reflects the time and the society in which he or she lives for can the bloomberg we have yet to hear his language he has not participated in the debates that is expected to change at the next debate where the day's almost on the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter. you can follow me at bring you to use the hash tag the day every member whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see that everyone.
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