tv Conflict Zone Deutsche Welle February 27, 2020 9:30am-10:00am CET
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the murder itself is extensive isn't that we still don't know what happened to the remains of mr. how is that possible when you allegedly have all the criminals involved behind bars how do you know how do you not know they have said that they had a local collaborator who disposed of the body. i don't know i mean didn't you interrogate designers i am not the public prosecutor we do foreign policy we don't new criminal investigation as you have given behind has let it be king of the state telling you what we did and what we did is what every other country did the united states said in iraq but not everybody us i am talking about the us committed outrageous crimes did the president authorize it and it was scrutiny of his the commander sitting where you're being scrutinized yes and what they did is they investigated they help people accountable they put in place mechanisms to prevent that from happening that's what governments who was this so-called cooperate so you know took away the body i don't want the remembering i don't know we don't have a history of murdering our citizens but if you are sorry as you claim to be over
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this incident why haven't you found the this information is a matter of urgency untold was the question of this family because that would be if you went tarion gesture we had sent a number of legal documents to the turkish authorities asking for information and we have not received anything except one you haven't told us either who you think masterminded this murder surely the trial must have shown up annoyance of that it was it was a mistake people exceeded their authorities and this happened the people who committed of agreed did not do it under the authority of the president or the vice president or the secretary of defense the u.s. government isn't buying your version of events is that the cia has let it be known in briefings that it has medium to high confidence that it was your crown prince mohammed bin someone who ordered the killing we don't see it this way the president and the secretary of state have said this is not the case the largest intelligence agency in the world unmatched resources you tell me they're talking nonsense i can only tell you what the us president who's the commander in chief of the u.s. armed forces and what the secretary of state have said publicly. but if it was
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nonsense how do you explain the phone conversation intercepted by u.s. by agencies in 2017 in which the crown prince told a top aide he'd use a bullet all question if we didn't stop his criticism i don't know anything about this and i can't comment about something that appears in newspapers based on the sources even if those anonymous sources are attributed to intelligence agencies the un acknowledges that it's been an important step this trial towards accountability but says it's failed to meet procedural and substantive standards so are being held by hold where you are and those who are in the us so the report from the from the special rapporteur the special mustard on is biased to special about or why because it is a little agree with exceeded her authority the special up with or says the trial was secret how can a trial be secret when we have representatives from the 5 permanent members of the security council plus turkey al-qaeda the trial was held behind closed doors the identity of those charged has not been released nor the identity of those facing
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the death penalty why the decision of opening up a trial or not rests with the judge and if the judge does not want to have a courtroom that looks like a circuit it's his prerogative to close the trial now the representative from the other countries who were there have access to all the proceedings and they know the names of the people why were they told not to speak about it because we want to make sure that when the trial is over and charges were leveled the punishment is announced and people can see it you cannot accuse somebody who turns out to be innocent and then in the end they lose face society shandor so they've been sentenced to death not all of them 5 of them have been so still one of them have been investigated and i believe 10 or 11 have been charged 5 have been sentenced to death why can't we know their names you look at the jurors the verdict on them because the trial is not over there's going to be an appeal and there and it has to be reviewed by the supreme court this is how awkward systems work. let's deal with the final explanation that you and others in. government would have us believe that
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it was some other rogue operation this team of high level operatives some of whom had in the past travelled with the crown prince decided they just had to go and kill was the question of the day they went out on a limb like that i believe they want to talk to him and they want to convince him to come back to survive if something went terribly wrong and an altercation happened and he was murdered they went with an autopsy expert who had a bomb someone with i don't know about that i don't know about everybody else and i don't know where those are but he says i don't know about that the idea with that is that this was authorized is ridiculous this was a rogue operation that happened that should not have happened we're going to be paying a great price for it it's a terrible tragedy and the issue is we deal with it from with legal perspective jim aftershocks least family has come out and said we have confidence in the saudi judicial system there is a crime really that's most affected by the exposed as a story in saudi arabia but but but but your but your agents didn't bother to hide
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what they did didn't bother to disguise their actions that or one of them according to transcripts of their bug conversation was talking into a telephone immediately after the murder saying tell you was the thing is done it's done so who was it turns out this is not correct i don't believe the says correct i don't know this is this was from leaks i haven't seen the dea intercepts that the turks had but if turkey had all of this information why didn't they provided to the market shortly before he went to the consulate if they believe this is the case if you are insisting that it's a broke operation and me one question why were the people who were involved that didn't sneak in by night and sneak out again they came in private jets diplomatic passports checking into they left a trail everywhere they left a trail everywhere so by monitoring him. assuming they weren't authorized to do it they were signing their own death was what rogue that's what rogue operatives would
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do that that's why they're facing a number of them are facing the death penalty and others are facing life and why why would they do that what's the motive for writing your own death sentence i don't know i think they went into talk to him they went in to try to convince him to come back something went terribly wrong and he was killed and they are being on trial now and a number of them are facing the burden of actually is that they fully intended to kill him otherwise why do you take it all obviously wisely you're having to assume why do you have to assume the worst when it comes to saudi arabia operations gone wrong this is a pretty high has been to have a move that is assuming the worst here great worst grave was pretty bad and they got a lot of bad publicity for it but we got to we got along the way it was so busy for it and we're dealing with it and we're putting people on trial and we will be punishing them one of the key questions that keeps returning is whether the crown prince created an environment which is allowed his agents to behave in the way they
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did in istanbul you would tell me that's not true wouldn't you of course not the company says the driving force behind changes have been because the driving force behind empowering women and men in saudi arabia use his the driving force behind economic opening and economic reform and of increasing repression against those who dare think and act in an independent fashion i disagree with that he said driving force behind entertainment and recreation in saudi arabia he said driving course behind technology in investments in technology and surgery he said driving force for setting up to be the leading country in the 21st century mr in march 27th in u.s. officials with access to classified intelligence reports told the new york times that your crown prince had authorized a secret campaign to silence dissenters that included surveillance kidnapping. tension torture so-called rapid intervention team i'm not going to comment on news reports attributed to anonymous sources some came from saudi officials as well now
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i'm a source seems there was a standing order to saudi intelligence to bring dissidents phone animists sources i cannot comment on anonymous sources old about one of them who was brought home now off she'd a poet in 2018 he was on a trip to kuwait stopped at the airport forcibly returned to serbia arabia i don't have the details of this he was held incommunicado for 12 months no charge of anything i don't have the details on this case no saudi citizen is actually safe if they speak out against your government that's correct people come and see the king in his majesty the compensation his majesty communicate with them they told them what they think they express criticism they provide ideas they provide suggestions this is what surgery b. has been for centuries amnesty international said last year that virtually all saudi arabian human rights defenders and independent voices male and female are behind bars serving lengthy sentences handed down by your specialized criminal
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court most were prosecuted they said for their peaceful human rights work and calls for reforms i take issue with other countries on a major path to reform and anybody who calls for reform is part of that process why would we have reforms in saudi arabia and that could such people who call for reform there are other issues that people have been charged with and have been sentenced with and i believe that the reports that we get another very accurate really and so when you do and if you have any issue with the terms of the legal issues you should really address them to the public prosecution last year they also quoted a saudi lawyer i g. who has represented many defendants before your specialized criminal court he said on the record the presumption of innocence is not part of the saudi arabian judicial system pledging words or that i disagree with his or her. and the presumption is always innocent until proven guilty when he says the opposite he has defended many people before you like or unlike the positions of some of the n.g.
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hos who assume that he before without presuming that innocent we are guilty. before the case was over so everybody has missed on everybody who reports this most of crackdown which the massive crackdown on grip on the dissidents people we have the human rights groups of the international human rights groups they're all wrong i will give you examples i will not i will give you an example and you tell me what the support in the 1990 s. we had radical preachers who were calling for jihad and please please can you please just want to drag us in our different direction you moved us from the structure so allow me to finish i want to point out the fox in the 1990 s. we were criticized for having radical preachers in saudi arabia preaching hate when we detained them will criticized for taking away their freedom of speech it's a damned if you do damned if you do situation if you don't situation do you want them to preach hate or do you want them to stop you can't have it both ways that's
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the park which is that perfect mr march last year 36 countries you know this issued a joint statement expressing particular concern about your use of cold terror legislation against individuals peacefully exercising their rights and freedom 36 countries germany france u.k. spain italy australia they also misjudge the situation in your country yet you seem to be badly misunderstood by some of the most expert biggest experts in the world yes they are really not about happened i don't think they know so little that they shouldn't be need to be more educated we have been fighting terrorists as credible is it i mean you can sit here and say that but that's insulting to their internally she says have loss and there is a line between freedom of expression and incitement and murder and we have laws in our country we have a court system and people have to obey the laws and the courts and sundry but are the ones who are due to keep these cases and nobody else was to prospective n.g.o.s
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and all the hidden by talk of stations and virtually every human rights activist is sitting in jail snottery. why would they make it up do they make up things the sons will do nothing i was only going to be asked why did they last may we are charged with detaining women for asking for the right to drive that's not true why would you detain somebody for asking for a right that the king all particulars why would you because chinese do those as you did because that's not the childishness you do they will not be the judge but that's the very it's worse than that no that's the wrong perception there were involved with foreign governments trying to recruit people and sensitive positions in court or to taint sensitive documents to be used by our enemies that's called espionage and the prosecution when the trials are over one percent the evidence. you can call it what you like abuse saying they were actually a threat to the saudis so it is seems to be yes that really that's what the
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prosecution is saying i don't have access to the courts i can only go by what the entity in saudi arabia that was filing charges and that's charged with prosecuting people in terms of trials and that's their position and they have been public about it last month mr you address the european parliament in brussels and you strongly objected to the scrutiny and criticism that has come your way from any peace if you object to that so much why sign up to international agreements which involve other countries monitoring your compliance or do you just. accept it only when it's in your favor do you mean monitoring or compliance monitoring compliance with agreements you've saw and touches such as. torture for instance we know you're supposed to have outlawed torture but there are millions accusations that torture is practiced oh they can bring the new virus they can bring the charges to
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a quarter as have people the court would he wouldn't reinvestigated you tell the parliament stop criticizing our causes we are a sovereign nation that refuses to be pattern yes member of the united nations you are there for you scrutiny we do not criticize other countries legal systems and we will not allow other countries to criticize our legal system if you don't want that kind of attention then go abroad kidnapping your own people forcing them to go back to your country this is they have the legal system the legal process the both of those they do when they promise to serve to humans only of a.b.n. does not. accept people criticizing a legal system we have not criticized the u.k. or france or germany or sweden where you are perfectly at liberty to we don't because you want to live this is your system we have not criticized how people in europe treat minorities or immigrants we have not criticized europe or a terrific past when it came to massive crimes against humanity we don't do this.
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and we will not accept criticism of our legal system by others but if you go on doing these things how can you expect your expensive charm offensive to call on anything but deaf ears all the money you paid for p.r. companies expensive b r companies in washington d.c. where you were ambassador falls on deaf ears doesn't it we don't have an expensive charm offensive we have public relations companies like other countries too and the amounts are not outrageous the amounts of normal we present our case to people and we have people coming to visit and we gauge with people in the longer that they can see what some of your piece about we have seen foreign investment in such a big go up we have seen foreign visitors so typical up we have seen foreign entrepreneurs come to surgery but to set up shop but as we all are not buying your message i'm totally with you protecting human rights some telling you this is these are the facts. there is unanimity among the human rights organizations around the world but you are in the middle of
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a massive repression of human who disagree with that you know you can decide what they think it's their business we disagree with that our people our economy is doing to help our country is attracting foreigners as something to do with your sister saudi arabia was so bad nobody would come why would companies invest go they're always going to business always come i wish while you know that i would entrepreneurs come and set up shop and so because they can make money that's it's nothing it's nothing to do with you see where i disagree dizzy i see nothing i'm doing i think your mind is made up and you don't want to see the facts come to see sally told you told the parliament stop lecturing and start working with us we have a court system the court system is and by that we don't allow anyone to question just what you just what you said to me how do you suggest europe works with you when you slam the door in its face like that. but in what sense land i started lecturing and start with yes we will not accept lectures so a lecture is a lecture telling you the results a lecture a bit said on you the results so that their research is
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a lecture based on lack of information of the sound legal system and how it works it's a lecture based on information that they obtained either through hearsay or through inaccurate sources government agencies which once 36 countries that expressed their concern to you i thought i'd give you the details then there were other a large number of countries that are for the resolution counter to the us and those 36 countries were absolutely wrong well absolutely mistaken how could they get it so wrong they've been going to your country for years talking to your people for years it beggars belief that you can put up this smokescreen and expect that viewpoint going to believe in the coming years of bear you can believe whatever you want but sell your hip is a country that is on a path of reform prodding our economy we are diversifying our economy from oil we are opening up new areas for investment we are empowering nobody worries and i learnt that it was the president of the new lutie we are creating opportunity for
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our young people 70 percent of some he's under the age of 7030 they have hopes dreams and ambitions and the government's objective is to provide them with the ability to realize that you gives you keeps you keep saying this my question is why should your work with a country that completely trashes its values and rights that are central to europe's because they believe that that assessment is wrong and then where would the starting point be i believe that that is wrong 60 years ago we didn't have schools for girls today 55 percent of women of college students of them. 80 years ago life expectancy was her dream was 37 years old tell our story where where where do you see it it's where do you serve today it's in the in the mid seventy's at the level of you when you start when in the view of major countries around the world new human rights organizations you have so little respect for the sick human right i don't buy i don't buy groceries don't mind i don't buy that assessment you spoke at the parliament you told them your view they're not buying it but that's still no
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other because i'm not buying their view either major countries are not buying their view either so when they start there's no starting point if this is a look at if you look at education if you look at health care if you look at clayton explicitly looking into the human at all you can really use you don't use all human rights if you look at media where people what is health care to them if they're in jail for years without charges have we have more than 20000000 saudis are they all in jail nobody said they were in jail you're telling me they're all in jail i did i said human rights. activists are in jail you see them and act as activists we don't does as hardly any of that we don't see that aspect any of them are not behind with all due respect i stick to national we have a court system we have the public prosecution that part is against him the courts will adjudicate these cases and if they were innocent it would be police and if they're guilty they were punished it's a surprise that and with all due respect amnesty international their opinion
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doesn't say that the trials are inherently unfair it does matter because it informs public opinion and public opinion around the world is younger was not exactly trusting what goes on in saudi arabia do you think people to trust i disremember rights organizations who give accurate information about every country in the world or a state that has everything to lose if it admits to these human rights abuses i disagree with those willingness and we're going to believe i think that we have great relations with and with a large number of countries we have the presidency of the g 20 we're doing a lot of major projects and sadly many were doing a lot of reforms and to a great deal we're improving the standard of living of our people we're becoming part of the global so what are you saying you don't care about what people think about your human rights say we don't have a problem with human rights we have a legal system we have laws that people have to obey if they don't obey those laws they will be charges filed against them and they would have to face the courts very
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simple in the united kingdom the same thing would happen if somebody violates the law what do you do do i come to you and tell you this person was engaged in human rights when they kill somebody or when they spy for somebody or when they are we're not talking about the reality of kingdom you're not talking to you you would like to talk about every country except saudi arabia it's not true i'm giving an example because i believe you have not been fair in your views of such behavior and in the positions your mind uses of the views that a kindred in the extended family questions that you've articulated. and i wanted to be able to show you that this is there's a universal issue here when you have a wall the last few bait if you don't like small change it ok but as long as it's on the books you have to pay it thank you very much for being a full. house
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