think alexander supplies last forever. but. when the break. starts march 20th on. the war is ugly more than 17000 civilians killed and injured since 2050 i would not give up the future of my children and their children so you can sleep at night they have to come and talk peace soon year after year the war in yemen goes on with no apparent end in sight but who's really trying to stop it my guest this week here in munich is the country's foreign minister mohammad abdullah i'm dreaming of the many thousands of civilian casualties and the enormous human suffering all been for nothing.

the whole of them don't have to me but i can cover it so thank you for having me you have much to say about the violence of the who sees the human rights violations the violence they've committed but you appear to have almost nothing to say about the shocking casualties and bombings by the saudi led coalition that's killed many thousands of your civilians why is that well that's not accurate actually you know the war is ugly i'm not. even going to sugarcoat that for you or for anyone a lot of civilians are dead yes this is this is shocking of and you hear the news and you know it's a big campaign but there's a difference between having human shields like that who these or some mistakes that happen in every conflict and every campaign and the suit is no different but you

know that human rights are being massively violated by coalition forces but to look the other way which means to a certain extent you're complicit in this so you 2 well i'm not sure what you mean by looking the other way we have this giant which is an investigation body that has investigated over 170 claims we know there's some mistakes we prove that there are some mistakes some of them i want to talk about you know i got an old load of but but since march 2015 according to human rights watch become aleutian has conducted numerous indiscriminate and disproportionate strikes killing thousands of civilians hitting civilian structures in violation of the laws of war but you turn away about how horrible let me put it on record this is horrible killing any civilians in yemen is horrible we want to end this war killing the even one life let alone a child which happened even by coalition let me finish so why go on with indiscriminate and disproportionate attack it ok this is a big campaign right and there are some mistakes and we approve of we know that

some business more than some. i think the u.n. need to investigate more and we know it's you know this thousands and thousands of circling and dead if there's an airstrike a mistake everybody's reporting a part and they should report a pilot we should hear about it but there's a lot of mistakes that the host is and i'm not here to talk about the who he's on the coalition's having mistakes i want in this war i'm from san am from those territories my family says that we're sick of it and we need to end it and just blaming now the coalition for and for all these will not end the war we need to end it yes we do we want to stop the killing even if i don't. out of work but why do so many civilians have to die for the sake of saving a chaotic divided government such as yours which barely has legitimacy with the wintry the father with digital service legitimacy is not popularity i'm from a different country than the president but the president is the last effective president 6 and a half 1000000 people elected our president 2012 for 2 years where he will to use

his mandate run out of his moment i must go to ease and tell that we have a democratic system that we allowed us to elect a new president who is going to give us and who decides what a democratic so yeah. exactly to get many people and who would do that those who would like that ok i'm not going to allow you or anyone to tell me you have to choose this leader to get you out of this week ok let me if we choose a leader and we need to get out of it we don't want to be there for life that's why we actually had the revolution back in 2011 minister the worst thing about the bombings is that in all these years they have proved absolutely futile you have won nothing and the who says remain unchanged so the catastrophic injuries and deaths among the civilian population of things like you haven't spent a change in the way the coalition has been conducting business war there's no more campaign to actually targets and other cities there's been some time some of the escalation is with the who it is and the sunni's renard involve them and then it

didn't happen because we know we need to end this what are we need to part how to end this what we you know everything that happens in yemen is a reaction to the who things actions we could be and someone one week if they just do the right thing and there i think it's not hard to do and why don't we ask them when we actually answer that question more than 17000 civilians killed and injured since 2015 the line was sacrificed for a stalemate proxy war that created the world's largest humanitarian disaster you really believe your government is worth that horrendous human imams leave our future is worth the. fighting not about a future without you can go the future without trying i could resign even today not tomorrow you know what if you know the who thieves and pheno their ideology if you know that they want to have this have the millikan who the as a figure nobody could at that buffer zone and then we'll have a puppet government they want we will not accept that i will not give up the future

of my children and their children so you can sleep better at night you know it is my country my people are dead they are dying every day you expect me to just to saddle for any peace that would explode in our face any time in the future no i'm not going to concede to the movies i'm from the territories under the we don't approve what they do and they have to come and part peace soon and we have to actually send the right signals to do that they have these illusions of power that you and others would feed in but as i say the calderon has to go where the coalition would end if we end the war but not before that if they end if the coalition ends yemen would descend into more chaos it's not about me the government or the president had to say the powers are mostly in yemen from those that you talk about the investigations that have gone on into what you term euphemistically mistakes in most cases you're not going to find the perpetrators and bring them to justice are you we know that 3 attacks on civilians several years ago are being referred by investigators for possible prosecution just 3 out of countless bombing

strikes that have repeatedly this civilian infrastructure shingles or thousands or change or let me put them in should check sure chuck change it look i let me put it for the record and he civilians are dead those responsible wherever they are they should be hold accountable they should be but they will be and you know it factors previous investigations don't encourage up when we do have an investigations and when we know what we were some for show 3 that's what mistaken sloan and i said how many many years to get. started or we could classify what you think the facts i mean yes. civilians are dead this is horrible we do the investigations but we need peace we need peace i mean we're talking about having peace and it's not easy you know the thing is you want to get away from the subject no investigation because they did not let me let me just because the national stage of the bureau between these international justice unfortunately sometimes don't come in hand in hand we

have to have peace and then would have transitional justice afterwards to get all of this done you're the one who is refusing talks with the who thinks that's what you think of it that's what you've said now your ministry of information said it no no no i represent the foreign policy for we need to park soon however i'm not going to let the horses get off the hook and her data we went to sweden and we signed the deal they came back one year they haven't done anything to prove it should i just let them go off the hook and then move on no they have to be responsive on what destroying your country piece by piece child by piece of a nice gesture as i am for a structure that is no road and continue with this humanitarian disaster why is it if you men are asking disasters you think ok son i reporter let me let me just jump to that why do you think that these are holding it hostage we're open it in for internal flights they're refusing because they want to create this seizure this aggression against them and to hold on to power which they don't have who gave them the right to speak and for and behalf of me on behalf of millions if you have

a nice and they use or power and they have this illusion of taking us back before 62 will the minister you've dug in your heels the u.n. is seeking unconditional talks unconditional talks between you and the movies you've dug in your to your heels and rejected or not or i shouldn't i didn't who says sole january the 28th floor minister of information said we categorically reject any talk about negotiations x. what we said is i am willing to go now to peace or if we're going to talk peace however we need to have the right conditions to god are ok the u.s. wants unconditional talks hala i don't want to go off. r.p. so they could have a good report for the student council i want to go and part beast to make sustainable peace for yemen and if there are these would sign degrees sign i like what they did in sweden and come back and not implement we should actually hold them accountable for implementing something don't let your cherry bomb go on during them because you won't sit down and no that is not your setting goodish ask around

i'm not going to be met and you're ignoring the advice of these not innovations we're just we're just saying they have to implement what this site is that's really hard to ask we cannot just go on by them signing our course and not implementing anything we know what we did back in 2014 we had a piece the just a few days after the coup 2 days after the call it was the partnership of peace agreement you know what they agreed to they agreed to partnerships but the security measures they never talked about it why aren't you talking about that i mean it is that you want me to want to again about would you responsible for most that i understand there are no angels in war but according to international investigators your forces have nothing to be proud of last year the u.n. panel of experts on yemen accused all sides in the war of committing horrific abuses from arbitrary killings to rape and torture with impunity so not only have you not won this war you've also lost any claims over my moral ground haven't you i'm not a mind going to claim were angels nobody has we just need to end the 2 and i can

tell you it's a long way from being in this government government especially ages the one says we're not actually deterring forcibly disappeared scores of people we have no respect for the rule of law we do we do but sometimes it's really hard to control everything i can tell you but it's not systematic killing of the only people like you want to show it to be you know you can just talk about 2 sides have you been to yemen have you been to santa have you been to i didn't have you been to for dinner and man if you listen to the people themselves and that you can't just brush everything as as as you know sheer us in a divide as a rich countries fighting a poor country that is not the way to. and this one we know there's some atrocities happened i mean we are few you know a few miles from from dresden we know what history is like why continue to block a vital aid goods and fuel from coming into this is a mystery is good this is a good question we're not actually doing so what we did is we're trying to block the oil shipments to come from iran to that ruthie so human rights watch are going

to be wrong have there in the latest report they say that they said it was a saudi led coalition's restriction on imports have worsened the humanitarian then and it were not true and let me tell you why if you were you know what we said is the data was open we were a few kilometers from the port the humanitarian came in the u.n. says you can't do this we said fine let's go to sweden and we need to change the status quo one year is nothing happens then we go back to the question the questions that we can actually holding for the rest of this is not true we have reports from the un powdered server that you're probably not going to mention that shipments of iranian all you're coming with counterfeit documents today of these were free you know we said by the crew 75 let's just check the papers they're saying let me just give me just finish and then i'll hear you we just said let's just check the papers the papers came there who things hold hostage and asked every mercians not to submit the papers so they could get 2 phony shipments so who's holding that and then we can see that we never go there right now is that most that

human rights watch is saying the coalition has delayed and diverted fuel tankers closed critical ports and stopped goods from entering controlled seaport what is the usual thing and i just finished fuel needed to power generators stars because and pump water to homes has also how in stock how do you justify preventing the heart of a regional hospital not justifying preventing anything in the past 3 months have been more fuel than that and that in the previous 3 months or so you checked the statistics and we're talking more than 2 years ago the u.n. high commissioner for human rights big both you and the rebels to let splays of food. to the country all parties to the conflict so the panel of experts on yemen have obstructed the distribution of humanitarian assistance the high commissioner begged you. have mercy on the people of your mum far as this gone when you actually know in order to show mercy on your own people we give you something you

know what i don't like something about the un is that they call everyone when they know exactly who is making the problem let me just give you an example a few days ago they had a meeting and brasil about the traffic is that the hooters are doing to the humanitarian field you know their want to tax your taxpayers' money that comes to yemen so they could steal it and not justify where they went to bias against you is this $1.00 of those nightmare they just want to be in a neutral part they don't want to say ok i am willing to receive any criticism but don't say all the parties tell me what i did wrong and i'll fix it but you have to point fingers also at the at this point finger at me and also point forward that there are things you cannot just staff there kind of bad points of change you live in those are they going to be always clear to them now i know what they do and we are trying to struggle and as i said you earlier government affiliated forces arbitrarily deterring forcibly disappeared schools of people when you say mistakes happen in war they pass the exam you know i mean we i mean give me specifics and we

would actually fix them i'm not saying them were only you haven't read the report but i have read their own experts yes yes and there are plenty of those areas it was handled by as the very 1st reports so it is not you have kids and someone being fired we're talking about different everybody who violates human rights accuses the that but mostly it's just be more specific so we can know what we talk about we have an expert group which is the un. panel according to that that is actually following this recount said that movies are not even met if the sun are we believe whatever they say and whatever that is not biased we will check if we have mistakes would. there's another really experts to come from the human rights council the 1st really the 1st report was so buys it just took exactly from the propaganda of the whole thing and we looked the no we said you can't just have and factual checks you have to check them before you reported and then you can just say you know hello everyone let me give you some facts 20100 strikes in yemen by the coalition

forces since the war began an average of 12 attacks a day these attacks have blown up hospitals school buses markets mosques farms bridges factories when the detention centers coalition air strikes the un human rights commission said in 2017 coalition airstrikes continue to be the leading cause of child casualties as well as overall civilian casualties so he didn't know what he was talking about are we leaving isolation of human rights they have no idea what they're saying is that i've been and i told you before but you have to give a better leader than this you have to be clear on the report now it's a policy of you start getting civilian infrastructure of the private so incompetent that they can't see the difference to him are fed up in and we've. had happened then we can then that we would continued years later that if you like half your life you will point out for what they are doing we need to make peace we don't want to continue this war and we have to do it a few just weeks ago

a few days ago very destructive hospitals it's not right but we don't want just to dwell on it we want to know what is now required to make peace and i know what is required to make peace we need to crack the illusions talk at ducking is required only does it not talking over this is going to end as a negotiating table otherwise surely it won't be shared and the sooner it gets there the better and at the moment you know what is and preventing those is widely known and including the who these no one needs to be done we debated it for 100 days in kuwait and you know what happened at the end they changed their mind you know why because they know that they would have a. very thing if they don't sign and fortunately the international community especially some parties send in the rock singers that maybe if you just hold on to take in yemen hostage you would get a bit of the if that's what happened and that's what we need to close the last year as well as fighting the who's the rebels who became embroiled in another civil war

this time with forces in the south known as the transitional council so not only are you failing to beat the who fears you can't even keep your own side together and you cannot ignore the great gratitude of us that if you are still a great record now let me talk about that as i recall what happened in the south is another complication that is not worth something of course you know and very want to seed the determined to succeed on the comp of complication what it is that it won't if it's really hard to discuss something without really proper to those just in of where this is actually happening if the s.t.c. our brothers and the s.e.c. really really represent all sufferance it would be an easy problem to solve the s.t.c. have a problem with southrons themselves not with the f.c.c. is s.t.c. is just yunus outside of the control of the government that i've been beaten up by the united arab emirates and then eventually they decided in august to oust the government from our 2nd capital that cannot happen and we made it clear to the un again say well i didn't have and it was only the saudis that patched together in an

agreement really you called the riyadh agreement but that's not working out there is when it is not working because there's just some intransigence and we believe this it is will be a on all sides no and the s.t.c. sites and we could prove it we have the facts we have the metrics that actually explains what we did but you know we have to pass that you've given away a lot to get the 3 agreement term to you basically given saudi's control over major decisions that your government has taken you say no according to the carnegie middle east center several articles of the riyadh agreement emphasize saudi supervision of this new government both vary and the u.a.e. will continue. intervene as they wish in new york in turmoil there as i found out was there a price for your dream that is not completely out of the price of the riyadh agreement is to get united so we can to get back and make peace you know you can just have everything perfection is not really a possible way out in yemen and it is actually the enemy of good and that's what we

want at the cellular center for strategic studies says that your president hired the s.t.c. the southern transitional council have accepted that all major government actions be coordinated by saudi arabia so basically you saw you know that is not true i am the compass of a society governed that's what you think the foreign minister of yemen and i say a word i believe it is for the right to the yemenis now with the saudis want to know what the iraqis one network anyone wants and that's proven yes we in riyadh we go back to other but we speak our minds and it is our responsibility and decisions we have in the reality greenman conceded to have some way in actually dealing with the south sudanese now that instead of them what are these and we need peace we don't want to fight a war in the northern wall in the south and we know that the f.c.c. is do not represent all the south the whole southrons and that that's an issue too and they have to know that they cannot just continue being outside the form of the government if we if this government is dissolved you would have more chaos in yemen

then you would think it is not as easy as you think it is that last year the saudis actually expelled one of your government advisors to the move because what he'd want is a science criticized coalition out in the sun i don't know is a diplomat with me he actually came and did something against protocol it's not because he still has to do anything they don't expel him his chairman ended and we did it from the office because he actually vitalism of the cause of the diplomatic corps now you can't just politicize everything like this i don't think it is right i don't know it's asked a very important matter how do you know he's a diplomat who actually didn't actually respect the rules of law can conquer about rape when one but he could go back to yemen he could be anywhere else we could go back to saudi arabia why not but not as a diplomat it ended. talk to me about corruption go on in your state because it's

not enough that there's a huge war the humanitarian disaster seems that the state money is not being siphoned off and corruption is colmes involving the central boke of yemen where is that going where the central bank i want to report which you're referring to now we have from the u.n. panel of experts just yes of course that's what you're trying to guess you know is talking about and some paragraph that's you know i spoke to the prime minister about it we've sacked 2 governors already our books are open anderson youngers coming to an end to actually check the books of the central bank it's open there we also the very haven't been audited for 6 years i asked the prime minister of this report why don't you just let the pound contract the books you know what he said didn't ask to go and check now anderson young and come in to check if we have some mistakes if we have some corruption charges we will be ready to act upon them we're transparent common check them send them in the team you want to do so we need to end this war we don't want to continue yes there's some corruption i'm not going to deny it but we need to end it and we're going to crack any cases if you if you just

fight them i mean just point them at us and we will do so you keep saying you want to in this war do you really believe that a single unitary state is going to emerge from the turbo destruction that you and the other combatants of inflicting on the us in something i think we as yemenis need to know what's the difference between and means to prove something and the goal you know i'm talking about the massive divisions in here and i'm trying to get to that the goal is to raise up the standards of living of the yemeni people unfortunately some camps would actually create the means which is unity central government that is as actually their goal which is wrong you know so we gave the central government to go it didn't work and the national dialogue everyone including the who thinks that our friends decided on a federal system let's just give it a chance let's just give this for the son a chance to see. not all of it quite a lot of it no wiser lost it all and said so you know the central no longer the

last go along and i wrote to the divisions on your interest showing on our center that you actually quoted have actually sung paul in the south and not all of them more than 50 percent even 60 percent want to stay in some form of the drug government not not everyone in the south want to secede and even if they know you have a civil war within a civil war that's quite an achievement isn't the it's not a civil war than a civil war there were so few skirmishes back in the south and it's over now skirmishes that kicked you out of aden yes you know we went through all the asylum issues and yes but now there's more to the school who was in our than our prime minister just came from adam yesterday and he's gone back now i mean it's not like the whole south is turning against the government you check the south shabwah have been violent and the hedge i mean it is not the case you know the s.t.c. need to know that they have to cooperate to be part of this government they don't they don't have the backing of all the south africans those in the south opposed them more than those in the new serving need to know they have to cooperate their

own well known as a session who said so they did know that is not correct ask how do as the others who signed the riyadh agreement i mean it is not correct they want to stay and they said so that the south korean issue for them not what we say would come after we finish the war with the who thinks and then we can discuss it that's what they say so you know check the facts. oh peace and human over and world com and we wanted to come but we're not just going to have any peace with the who is you know i'm not going to give the future of a few men to those who believe that they could just you know he has been and have this defined why to all of us like what they do in iraq we're not going to accept that they need to know that they could share power that they cannot get to do it with guns facing in you know pointing in our face more hollowed out on but that's very much being more thank you so much for this particular discussion.

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