africa's most successful radio drama series continues this season the stories focus on hate speech prevention and sustainable truckle production. all of us are are available online and of course you can share and discuss on africa's facebook page and other social media platforms. crime fighters june and now. the 1st cases were reported in southern china just a few weeks ago since then the corona virus now officially a pandemic has more than $100.00 countries around the world in its current and while thousands of lives have already been lost as it continues to spread out a rapid rate. as they scramble to respond to governments have adopted increasingly drastic measures to prevent further contagion koren seen all of those have been imposed borders in many places closed and large scale events such as football

matches consoles amid all the uncertainty those who can a staying at home leaving streets eerily deserted others despite warnings and stockpiling so on to the point we ask coronavirus is it out of control. well welcome in worrying times too to the point here a d w in with me in the studio to discuss a global crisis is deep hollow son who's written extensively on the coronavirus for the berlin based daily devalued she says we don't have to worry about controlling our fear right now we have to worry about controlling the spread of this virus also once this is out on a ride as a correspondent for germany's a on t.v. network but she's a specialist on german domestic politics and china. a country she knows very well

and early on i believe that 1st china needed help now china is helping others and a very warm welcome to tumulty laming author and senior editor that's another leading berlin paper target spiegel hussein's after the 911 terror attacks of the 2008 financial crisis this is the 3rd major of people of this century. thank you all for being here to begin with you with the virus continues to spread here in germany so i'd like to ask you about one of those quintessentially german words how much of it is there in germany i think. people are not panicking yet and there is no reason to do this at this point. but we should all be really prepared for the weeks to come and we should really be well informed to a should really know why our government is taking some measures now it does moment

that doesn't for some people doesn't look so bad yet because we have as i checked this morning read like 2000 cases recognized cases of koran a virus infection in germany for many people that doesn't look so bad only 3 people in germany had died i thought this morning but that's all american so the scientists who told her that up to 70 percent of the population is likely to be infected that sounds scary to me here in germany that is scary but 60 to 70 percent of people will be infected but we don't know which timeframe it could be and one year end up with we really really bet it could be in 2 or 3 years also it could be stopped if you find a vaccine of a fine some medicine that can chew a disease but if we don't find those of course 2 thirds of the population will and some point and some point get this virus because nobody is immune to this virus and

one. person who is infected will infect like 2 to 3 others so only when 2 thirds of the population had been infected and at immune odds are that . the virus will not signed enough people to infect so it will slow down shortly after does. what we're trying to do now here in germany and what every country should do is trying to extend to period of time as long as possible to flatten the epidemic curve as long as possible remember i'm as we do so you've got this special connection to china this is where you know as far as we know this was this broke out or at least it was you know we heard about it 1st coming from southern china would you say about it. well merged and one city and province of kobe the 1st 3 weeks of 4 weeks after the end of december when it was 1st detected were kind of nobody talked about it in china besides some doctors so that was a dangerous period and so it was like the the local government the provincial

government the city government they covered it up and then only after 2 or 3 weeks they they realized how big the danger is and then they switched to complete strict measures so they that the locking down of knocking down the whole province of and and then also it's taking strict measures and the whole of china and that lat at the end this very very strict measures which only you know if the tarion regime can take that lap to now well if we believe the figures we know today that they at least for the moment they they are able to cope with a virus and so the clinics the provisional clinics they are set up and they're closed now the big picture is all over and i think also part of the narrative is that being visited so it's kind of he declared war on the virus and now kind of the war the war in china is now a kind of one for the moment and. that's what he likes to what he likes to

tell the country but to tell the world that's also one part of help now to others which is very positive it's a big help because in china the lot of production sites would produce all these like masks and so on but also it's a sign of now we are able to give you help you need like italy where they stand. and also send medical experts or do science journalists and this is a citizen so what's going on around here in germany and in the world at large. 1st of all i think there's no eggs in germany right now the president there is no. rice right now the problem feeling is that of insecurity but this is partly due to the nature of this virus because many things are on the on how many percent got infected how many will die from it and so on and so on so that you're always talking about ranges from 0.5 to 3.4 percent and things like that so nobody really

knows what is going on so that that's why i think that that the key form for answering this crisis is with on the street clarity governments should be honest about what they know what the plans are and why they should inform the public on a daily basis not just once the press conference like the chance that it will in a daily basis because everything is changing the people want to know what is happening if there is a closure will it last for 2 weeks will it be longer will it be extended and things like that and even though if you don't know things just talk about the things you don't know i think that is one of the key elements and if the last thing i would say is globally i don't think that the wall does understand that we're talking about a global crisis every nation tries to find a solution for itself and i think this is part of the problem in china they did it they they do it in iran and italy in the european union they do the united states but we are talking about a global crisis what effects potentially everybody because the pandemic before you

would proceed last year you mention the united states and u.s. president donald trump has suspended travel now from europe to the u.s. he talks of strong but necessary restrictions let's just listen for a seconds to what he had to say and then come back and talk about it a little bit more donald trump u.s. president new cases from entering our assures we will be suspending all travel from europe to the united states for the next 30 days the new rules will go into effect friday at midnight and these prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade in cargo but various other things as we get approval. when you make those comments. i think trump made made some very bad mistakes and i think the crisis in the united states is about to develop. i'm afraid it will be worse than other countries the 1st case was detected on generally 23rd. from that

time to the end of february at the beginning of march you had just 500 cases in 14 states that were tested just a comparison in south korea that 100000 cases to be tested in that time so very very few people have been tested we're talking about a country where you have 28000000 people without health insurance we're talking about a country of the quarter of laborers who have no. paid leave if they are sick. so i think the worst is still to come and i'm afraid that closing the border for europeans won't help a lot because i don't think that europeans. should be to to this cause and. that's interesting because the u.s. president mr trump he also said that you are a pad to quote fails to take the same precautions is the u.s. in combating the coronavirus effective. i'm sorry but this is lame game is

completely ridiculous i mean the virus is already in the united states death mess of outbreaks all the scientists think that they already have a mess of outbreaks in the seattle area at least that they have not detected it because there is almost not testing going on in the united states so they don't have to fear about a virus getting into the country it's already did have to be varied about recognizing the virus and finding the cases isolating the cases and taking care of sick people that were show up very very soon in masses like we are seeing in the north of italy the north i think italy had just committed to same mistake they didn't recognize the epidemic when it started in their country they recognized the epidemic when the. 1st very very sick critically sick people shot up in hospitals and started dying and that's why they have saw so many hundreds of people ok italy is the european country worst affected by the virus is imposed tough measures in

a desperate bid to prevent further loss of life but have a look. melanne venice and rome these otherwise bustling cities are like ghost towns the residents have to stay at home nobody's allowed outside without good reason public events have been canceled schools universities theaters and museums are closed anyone caught violating the restrictions may be fined or even jailed. what do the talent think of these measures. like inmates at home not being able to go out to do things not being able to use your time but we have to keep with the measures and the law there are some point of the coronavirus has to come so be it i am young and i can handle it also fire. to the same with the we are all worried let me ease up without being alarmist and without hysteria you can really

get beat and. it's a nice thing nonchalance is no help to coronaviruses struck its industrial heart a hard blow to a country already struggling with konami crisis. this may be a preview of things to come as other countries battle the fibrous country in quarantine but will all the precautions prove effective were around a 2 questions will approve will precautions prove effective and is the lockdown justified that's very complicated so if i take the comparison with china the lockdown was in was effective so yes to a certain extent it is effective to just just basically prohibit all the contact social contacts it's all about social contacts and if you just stop it then that seems to be a fact of that's the that we can learn from china like all my friends in beijing we've been like kind of care and not as bad as but also being there like in house and only living with maybe one other person cycling walking and empty streets.

beijing was not bought a beijing there was a. cases compared to. the chinese government with its very very strict measures made it possible that it didn't spring of a very bad it stands to beijing or to shanghai to the other big cities of metropolis of china so yes it is effective on the other side it is it is hard especially in democratic countries like ours where we are used to have our individual freedom it seems to be very strict and it's it's very hard to understand i think it's easier to understand in china if the government says you don't leave your house the neighborhood committee says you don't leave your house you don't leave your house because the the state police will be there anybody will be inquiring late and you know that you will be punished for that and that's different which is which is good i don't want to say that i want to have a child a system here but that's a little bit of a problem why it's so difficult for us to accept in my opinion and that seed with me personally i didn't see him do so did i mean we're going to have

a look down here in the next in the next week or 2 we're going to go down the same process this election we're going to win over you know if it turns on the how how the virus germany belgium fell of and we just don't know yet how old will the probabilities that the chancellor merkel said we might have half of the population being affected but one has to be on the stern of the whole isn't just talk about it we have to flatten the curve i mean 100 cases in a week might be worse than a 1000 cases a month because just people because that's all what you have to do and that's what people have to understand it's not to avoid any kind of of chance that you get infected by it it is to avoid that too many people get infected at once because then the burden for the other for the system is just too high i would like i'm completely agree i would like to at that people have to understand that we are dealing here with exponential growth so if you have 100 cases in one week it will not be measured 1000 cases

a month but like every $3.00 to $4.00 days so you have $100.00. basis on monday you have 200 on thursday you have 400 on sunday and so on and so on so everybody can do the math and can look at this this curve said we're dealing with and virus here in germany is exactly the same virus as an italy contagious as an attorney. as an attorney and it's the same virus all over the world it has not mutated as we know up yet we don't see. any really important mutation so it's exactly the same virus that the whole world is dealing with now and doesn't behave differently and italy and south korea and south korea is mentioned quite well italy is not mentioned well so it depends on us it depends on every country how we deal with this virus how we deal with this epidemic how we get people to stay at home how we get people to really practice social distancing not to get close to last once it's really hard it's hard not to have your friend the question is are people going to

play along i mean anglo-american yes we don't know americans you can see she said yesterday solidarity common sense in our hearts for one of the being put to the test i hope we will pass the test it all sounds drastically desperately sentimental to me as far as i know you know this is this is an existential crisis possibly in the manties people behave badly it is up to everyone it's up to everyone to take the right decision and yeah yeah it's too hot everybody and also we didn't shake hands today when we met here so everybody should should we just have to learn how to cope with and security. for still people say about the germans every everybody is ok about everything in germany as long as everything is ok. but we don't know if the virus will be with us the next full the next winter next year we just don't know and we don't know how for example whole behaves. we have been told yet about 1300000000 people living in africa we have outbreak in how it behaves under

warmer conditions we just don't know but if. we are talking of washing our hands with warm water and soap and avoid social contact yet let's look to the metropole the cities and some of african areas where people live very close no one water no soap we just don't know how to vote we have to think ahead yes the global crisis needs a global solution as well as we think ahead to what extent should we not just be worried about the threat to public health through the virus but the threat to society to the fabric of society i'm talking about. you know what i'm talking about i know but i think we have to learn how to be flexible. the next day could be a new situation the following day could be very new situation and we have to be flexible we have to be honest to each other what we know and what we don't know

people have to be informed and sometimes you have to say we do it for the next 14 days we can't assure the we have to not read long it for the next 4 weeks so so we have to be innovative why not have telemedicine people talking to a doctor online. education that if schools are closed people just can't continue with their education and so on and so on so i think a lot of us is. asked from us as a society but i think we can week we should be able to cope with that now is a start and it's not useful to have a blame game like here it's china it's europe it's iran all they didn't do the right things so that's why i'm kind of. like shaking my heart about what tom said we would have talked about it because he said it's like foreign virus yeah and viruses coming from europe and he closed borders for europeans but not for europeans but for shaking states which makes it even more more apparent occulus because the u.k.

people can can can travel freely and people from from not states so that tells us. it's a virus it's not like looking at a border like oh no that's a border. so it's not very rational ok let's shift the focus when it comes to the global economy there are huge fears plummeting revenues stock markets in freefall supply bottlenecks rising unemployment so will the coronavirus trigger a global recession. since i know this is one of the situation i can't remember ever experiencing anything like it. when the call of you if the coronavirus starts picking up speed and paralyzes other countries around the world in the worst case scenario it could lead to a world economic situation similar to what we had in 2008 but 200922 local which was enough to. take the day around the world share prices are dropping lower and lower analysts hardly dare to predict how much farther they'll. in many places

production has come to a halt supply chains have broken down or hit bottlenecks the damage so far is incalculable. the international air transport association anticipates losses in the billions of euros for airlines. everywhere major events and trade fairs are being canceled over $100.00 in europe alone among them are the geneva motor show and the nightstick book that. the tourism industry has already put untold losses many tour operators are struggling to survive. is the coronavirus a major disaster for the global economy. your question is a major disaster for the global economy think the very short answer is yes it is a disaster and we the probability is high that we that we will face a recession. the question is how will the world cope with this i mean if we if we

look back to the financial crisis in 2008 in the fall of 2008 or it was in november . we had the 1st huge g. 20 summit in washington of the states coming together and looking for a solution for that in the spring of 2009 they decided upon a huge package of 1 point one trillion dollars to help the world economy and come out of this mess so we we have to be able to find a global solution to this crisis in terms of the financial crisis well i mean we have a health system crisis and a financial crisis coming together and this is this is explosive. where do you see the solution coming from or going to go going back to the chinese the chinese seem to be implying the very very very good 100. we in the west we're. not really the ring i think talking about the economy china does not know yet how to solve the. economic problems either so that's the next question the health

system was for us 1st and it's just for moment it seems to be kind of. at least for the moment in china but then the economy we don't know because china is also an explanation so it is also dependent on this national global. trade and so on germany is as europe is as the united states are so so it's very very hard now to predict to what extent all these like global traits to what extent the global trade system is affected for me it's very hard to predict what will what will go on have a year from now but it will be a fact that it is a disaster and every country now and that's europe as a as the european union they have to talk about how to help companies how to help small companies how to help like self-employed people and not after like have year of the countries without money for example half of the companies have to have they

have to close all people and all paid people cannot pay the wrens and it's a whole bunch of of things which can happen so that's up to national governments in the end and talk about the european union it's up to european union to solve these questions now. at the moment there's not just the current crisis there's an oil crisis in the background somewhere there's a refugee crisis there's a crisis on the financial markets what is your explanation for why that has all come together like a perfect storm. i don't know maybe. i don't think that does virus has any agenda. has chosen this time to show up i think to this anything that maybe other things are more connected to each other but i'm a science reporter so i don't really would like to comment on a commercial quality of course other viruses definitely doesn't have that and the virus doesn't have an agenda but it can make things worse for example the refugee

crisis and we already talked about how it started that the virus was called the chinese virus the european virus and there are right wingers unless both in the greek and who said it's a refugee virus they bring the boys with them so the blame game has already started and that makes matters worse if you have a recession and rising unemployment we are talking different terms about immigration and refugees and problems like this so i think many problems that we are facing when we are dealing with might get worse with the virus and also being indicted for democracy at the end that you can observe what trump did so it's like closing borders seems to be so tempting because it seemed to be so so logic at the at the 1st sight it is the country but people like like right wing is might be might think that that's the solution to a lot of problems they've always said of time and again refugees nationalism. and now finally they can they they think they can fight the virus at least with words

closing borders and i think that's also a danger we probably will face in some time that we're talking about dangerous democracy but a very very soon notice on the us that doesn't work. very slim ok you guys have been pretty o.b. to have to say today is. intriguing a question we asked of the top of the show is coronavirus down which of control is it out of control. no i think it's not out of control yet i mean some countries really showed that it can be controlled can be contained it can be slowed down the spread of the virus and some countries definitely it looks worse by the i wouldn't say it's an all countries it's all of control it's not ok we'll have to leave it there for french for thanks very very much for joining us today here on to the point it's been a difficult topic i hope we can you punch your food for souls if so come back next week until and bye bye and troops.

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