and are the alternative treatments. in good shape. in 60 minutes t.w. . in the fight. for the future. city. center. you know more you talk about a world who is being protected i'm asking you very simply who's protecting them on more. i keep on saying. i will keep on pushing for all the troops. after the murder of the prominent multiuse journalist. walter itself has become a byword for violence and corruption my guest this week here in munich is the

country's foreign minister that everest bartolo he says he wants to improve malta has tarnished image but how many more secrets have to come out before that will be possible. everest bartolo welcome to conflict so thank you you've made it clear that in the wake of the murder of nicaragua and all the corruption scandals that have followed that malta needs to rebuild its reputation that isn't going to happen until their body starts telling the truth is that i agree at the fact when i was appointed for and i 1st minister because they told me to go ahead and see what you can do i made that very clear not a beautician or a plastic surgeon over there are a glib things which have to be dealt with they have to be dealt with in malta in terms of reality or not of the presentation of reality where we're getting to

possibly what some of those 30 things are but i'm curious why former ministers like you supported a government that you knew was rotten to the core. well when things started coming out of the time of the panama papers of course to succeed i made it very clear that thought i'd accept the bill. but you say go on i stayed on. i had the choice. i admire savonarola but they had my go a little more i had to i had the survivor strategy where i could fight another but there we used that experience to get there with got to do with of the party at the time and now he's in the democratic party to negotiate things to make the government more accountable but your collective silence over the years helped cement in power a government that became a byword for corruption with conflicts of interest multiplying the prime minister's

office and the rule of law or seriously undermined and you went along with the by staying in the government. they have said recently that perhaps. it would have been wiser to resign in 2016 as a pressure to change things i acknowledge that but i have spoken even of that over the last 4 years against what you have just said it is a big question of a lot of times and not to get on to say that i don't think it was very very i don't think if you were to live in a small society like more of the you know the world the way i spoke and what i said was very very clear o.c.c. r.p. the highly respected organized crime and corruption reporting project i'm sure you know it they named joseph must get person of the year for 2019 an annual award that highlights an individual who has done most to advanced organized criminal activity and corruption in a given year it's a pretty shameful ward to the man you worked for isn't that he has made it clear to

him even in 2016 that the tours going to be in his interest to take the necessary steps to get those people. government were involved with the money part of our papers and he didn't pay the huge price for it so how do you feel he deserves the award. and i think i made it very clear to him that it was in his interest for a person to have contributed so much to a konami group to the introduction of civil liberties in malta and then to have his record painted with that weather doesn't excuse him for what he did later doesn't know just because the economy was booming you know of course murder and corruption were also and looming in them to have made it also very clear that economic growth shouldn't go on my family expects we should have economic growth with rule of law and where it can govern o.c. c.r.p. said that on the muskrats leadership criminality and corruption have flourished and in many cases gone unpunished creating an environment that led to the 27000 murder

of tough knicker on the goalie if they knew that the same message was coming from other international watchdogs you had to know what was going on yourself didn't you not completely and then when i go to and i'm not trying to get away from this. first of all one of the big problems that we have and again i'm not trying to explain it away is that in our small society personal networks personal relations are stronger than institutional once and at the expense of the public. because unfortunately the rule of family or do law friends. is stronger than the rule of law and this is an issue that we have to deal with and before come to a point now that we cannot delay taking all the necessary steps anymore it's. just assertion there isn't it minister say the personal relationships are worth more than the rule of law but if you were in government what's worth more than the rule of law yes but in the small societies i'm saying and there again i'm not trying to

excuse anything and small island states like malta microstates which are not as the size of minnesota but one 3rd of its population. it is true that when you look at the primary groups of friends and family and then the 2nd the groups or institutions should come in the 1st group and the 2nd group it's very poorest there's no bond there between one and the other column saying is that in our society this it is a tough more formidable challenge to make sure that there is the rule of law that there are rules and there are regulators who serve in government are expected to accept that challenge and run they are going to. give one of the things you limited was that you didn't take a stronger stand in 2016 against at least one of those minister friends of the former prime as the comrade mitzi who'd been named in the panama papers your biggest political mistake you called it even so your behavior was inexplicable

wasn't it you called publicly for mits his resignation but you refused to endorse the parliamentary vote of no confidence against him or because the way the motion had been framed and then the amendments that were put to death made it possible for us to hold the government to my government to introduce measures to increase accountability there but in the end you helped to keep in office a man whose behavior in your own view had been shoddy and you adequate mycenaeans your old my single vote to have made a difference had every was going to vote makes a difference on islam but now doesn't it not but not in that case with you where you had suppose you started another girl you didn't stand for your prince i agree with you but i tried to use that to negotiate measures to hold the government to account now when it happened when he wasn't possible. well some measure started coming in but then when this time when you started coming after november i made it

very clear that i was going to resign and they said i did they go or i go and they made enough pressure for them to go. but the fact is that your silence and your continued support of the former prime minister made you and your colleagues complicit in this dysfunctional corrupt system i try to use internal pressure to get things done this time in november told you remain i want only me pete called part of this swamp of corruption and financial curse. i try to do my bit i said i haven't done enough but i am committed to do all i can to because this is a very important time for us it's a moment of truth i would call it we had an existential crossroads since our independence 55 years ago we either get our house in order or we i think threaten our sovereignty and there were low for the move but they've been so many warnings like that before heaven then they were ignored in 2017 year and chief justice

sylvia comey larry warned that instead of the rule of law motor was heading to what he called the rule of delinquents another that was enough to change anybody's mind then wasn't warning in stark sharp terms like the. debate when when things start to become more clear for us because you might think that i'm trying to get away from what you're telling me but it's only recently that things became so clear to us what was happening i know that even in 2016 they warned that there was a shadow government and the network of this is makers that were that were influencing what was happening but you didn't name names did you might think it was clear who i was referring to believe it wasn't her it's all in this exterior i think it was the unit leave given that the same people were still in government and still are part of the establishment. i made internal pressure and i didn't manage to get them committed to concede that the whole system was in fact set up to to

bypass independent scrutiny and prevent any kind of accountability wasn't it i mean the pit the prime minister's office for instance took over responsibility for areas that presented particular opportunities for money laundering online gaming investment migration regulation of financial services it was clear that it was these areas were drowning in corruption and to buy the product getting the prime minister involved directly in them was keeping the regulators at bay wasn't it but i'm not changing i'm not i don't agree that all these activities and all these different economic sectors are rotten and corrupt there are definitely parts which are and where one of the problems i think that we have had. irrespective of the share of human nature with the zone of the that there is when you have such strong economic growth and the regulators are not given enough resources or

intentionally. to a certain instances kills the intention to a certain extent yes but not all of them either but for example when it comes to financial investigations those have been given a lot of resources i think the biggest problem that we have and the weakest weakest link in the chain is the economic crimes unit of the police and unless that is beefed up and really resourced with well qualified people of integrity this problem will remain because ultimately we're going to be judged on how many people are prosecuted not what i'm telling you now or what we say in grand in grand that's really difficult when the judges and magistrates were appointed by the prime minister was that were the case in a system described by the council of europe's parliamentary assembly as incompatible with judicial independence and the rule of law but i think this is not fair in this case for a very simple reason it does government the appointment of magistrate turned the judges have been more independent of the executive arm of government than ever

before before the prime minister had talked to jurisdiction no it's not like that in the market there is a judicial appointment committee and we are intent definitely on taking the steps that the venice commission has indicated you once used to do so for not on but we have started that i don't use it don't even in the last 30 that differ in the last week even sorry even in the last month apart from the last week sets have been taken for such implementing those recommendations under dinu prime minister in may 26th seen when you said things were fine. they plainly weren't worthy you said the government had already started in 2016 to introduce a culture of better political responsibility and transparency that wasn't true was on you know it all strobel those were the measures that i told you about 3 years later the council of europe reported that major scandals were arising going

unreported and uninvestigated for the 1st time we have we have introduced this is the contradiction of this government and of the moscow government as well for the 1st time we introduced measures to hold government to account that had never been introduced before now where they were claimed they were they weren't working or nuff but why give them away give them a free pass say a culture of better political responsibility and transparency has been introduced then we have the panama papers the electric gas the further hilman the further vittles global health care for the golden passport all all time and again featuring the same key figures close to the prime minister and the police and several instances mysteriously failing to act and none of that was serious enough for you to say you've crossed my red lines you've crossed the many many times i did see it intended. and they repeated the weakest link was and still remains even now and we have to act about the economic crimes it because it's not enough to name people

it's not that often vested gave them then you need to prosecute just about although you know much much more than you're telling them. more than you've ever told you know names you know places you know where the bodies are buried don't you and have you taken a vow of silence no i haven't and if you are you afraid for your alive one of them you seen what happens to people no tell the truth and you know that you know very little that if there is anyone who has not the kind of hour of silence is needed because i have spoken up i have spoken up time and take notice you don't surround the subject you make cryptic comments like justice can be served without fear or favor without burning this country to cinders and without burning or hurting those who want justice done what on earth is not clean it's not critical to the earth does it mean who is it addressed to was addressed to my government but then they pulled another pressure for that change to happen you also there are very very

spoke the country cannot protect murderers money launderers and other criminals justice has to be done and i don't really wasn't the country protecting these people was it was your fellow politicians then loyal servants like you were either turning a blind eye or actively perverting the course of justice and pushing for that to happen it still has to happen i'm pushing for that to happen mr brattle who exactly was and is protecting murderers in malta who 1st of all when it comes to the assassination of the current ability we have. a judicial process going on now because the alleged killers have been brought to justice but you know more than the stench you you know more than this do you mean i know more than this you know more you talk about murderers being protected i'm asking you very simply who's protecting them on malta who i keep on saying. i will keep on pushing

for all the truth to come out but you're not answering my question i'm asking you one cannot give you might not know orson to be honest if because of their names why did general to the police if there are investigations i think i can assure you that i'm doing my duty in my own way beings of the police. i'm doing my duty i don't know what's that means because you kept a 1000000 as i will who was clearly more corrupt than he should have been hugely so i will i will keep on pushing for the truth to come out and they would stake my reputation on that how do we know that when you won't you know the judge you sit in front of the camera and you won't tell me what you will be judged by will be trashed by what happens but it's this is exactly this climate of silence and these networks of criminal corruption that created a permissive environment and allowed someone to believe they could get away with the killing of dufner corona girly and silence free journalism they have done more

but they haven't got over a little they haven't thought of it it we have had political assassinations before and no one was brought to justice at least in this case we've started doing these things this isn't the end of as story no it's not the end of the story and it cannot be the end of the story that all the truth is uncovered and by the by admitting that it isn't the end of the story you know that the story goes further and you know that this network that arranged for her assassination hasn't come to light yet has it but the phone said we have to keep on pushing for all the truth to be uncovered. we only have your word that you will do that and on that will do it it will happen to have the commitment of the prime minister of israel and the minister for the interior who has started taking creatures decision but this investigation was tainted from the start for them to do that is of no loss some of the council of europe warn that a series of magistrates should have been taken off the case because of conflicts of interest likewise the investigating police officer force claims that sayed said

were made by the minister of the interior about progress in the investigation if that's not an investigation tainted with all its not because it did give results and 11 important point in all this is that there are other services involved including the report so even if there are elements who want to cover up that information is available to the force beyond so that there is a good guarantee that the whole truth will come up. daphne corona gilead. didn't have much that was nice to say about you did she. december 26th in she wrote the toler with decent and honest with the of stuck with the labor party since the 1970 s. of course not decent and honest people left in droves when they saw what was going on she's right isn't she and no i don't think so and i don't agree with her comment i respect what she had done but i think she was very prettiest against him and if you were decent would he have allowed himself to be part of muskrats power hungry

bandwagon because the via and others worked it out from the outside he had to have known it from the inside that they were planning corrupt deals and i don't agree with him because i did in my own little way and i'm not trying to kill. put myself in the in the role of a knight in the china government in my own little way i did what i could to train change things since i've entered politics and these problems that she's writing about she didn't try to like that and the other part was in government i have tried to bring about changes in my own little easier to get away with and as corrupt as your well that is. i beg to differ i beg to differ. she reported what she saw in front of she reported what she saw going on in malta the time she were yes but didn't do a should try to. before that i think it's unfair and a bit on balance just about all if you want malta's reputation response

a you're going to have to prove that this new government is better than the last one so for the sides are so far the signs are good no i don't think it's the other car on the girlie that the son of death misses must get is still the power behind the throne the huge networks of influence and fanatical support in the label bertie no i don't agree with matthew and disturbs that have been taken during this month shows that there is a new good will to get things done really look no further than the man i would give him self and his family have been happy with the person who has been investigating the death of their of their money build it they did not they did not said the investigator was most corrupt so i didn't say i didn't say they did but look no further than the man with the new justice portfolio edward zammit described as a family friend of the muskets used to go on holiday with them but i can tell you again that the new subs of have been taken in the last month shows that there is

a new good will we will be judged not paying to pete not but what you are saying now but what will happen in the next weeks and in the next not really it doesn't look very much like it when the contracts of the government awarded a contract to the disgraced former minister conrad mitzi. the man you wanted to resign after he was named in the panama paper he was offered a job as a tourism consultant on $80000.00 euros a year which had to be counselled rapidly after a huge public and defrauded new say this government handout is that was can sit here and so baltar through public no question no i don't agree but why was he given his account per contract in the 1st place if he was about to be a legal grudge a new broom sweeping up the corruption you bring in the book one of the most unlikely to me that contract was done before before the change not after that wasn't a contract signed by 100 new prime minister and without public pressure he would have kept you know not you totally disagree and they know what i'm telling you

there was a lot of internal pressure and the board through the minister if you want a better reputation for malta a lot of people are going to have to tell the truth about the corruption in the murder and we've been pretty far from that aren't we especially given the continue attacks we're seeing on free journalism in malta you've actually taught journalism about the if you will never know what that something nuclear watchdog group reporters without borders spoke last october of a hostile environment for independent. you're shaking your head leave us alone for going to rome and journalists in malta and the prevalence of lawsuits to silence public interest reporting they don't know what they're talking about you know when they sense i'm not saying that they don't know what they're talking but again you might find that this is contradictory but it's true we have liberalized freedom of the press and loss of tributed the press in the last 7 years we have decriminalized libel cases they are referring to

a number of cases but to show to give the impression that that is rampant and that journalism in malta is in is in jeopardy or a risk is not fair malta is if you're in need for a low if you are twaddle or what a journalist strike and it's very robust and very strong criticism of what goes on more to it says is unique among e.u. countries for having extensive political control of the news media the 2 main political parties own their own t.v. and radio stations as well as both the daily and weekly print media and online portals and the international center for press and media freedoms at the worst risk for malta was a lack of political independence in the media haywood again defend their reality of a microstate where you either have certain excuse not just because you smith is trying to explain because whole how can you have a small newspaper which is viable in malta it's a there you either have a political party doing it or you have the state doing good business organizations

don't find viable to have the media so on asli it is a big challenge to try and understand how to have a media system in malta which is part of the checks and balances in a democratic society but i repeat that is coming out of the reality of our microstate and it's not only mortified that has this perhaps the most unpleasant aspects of your party has been its attempts to dehumanize stuff knicker on the glitzier not just while she was alive but after her murder. an undercover investigation into secret restricted labor party hate groups online published by the digital paper the shift showed labor party supporters celebrating her killing within hours of the crime being committed the journalist was described in the facebook post as an evil witch who should burn in hell are you proud of this part of your definitely not and it's still clearly an acceptable and they made it very clear that it was still clearly accepted and totally unacceptable and i hope and

i'm at least happy that in the last month even the national monument where there is a memorial to her has not been disturbed at all and they really hope that nearer the sun has a little more of that they want to tell it is a great deal more moral not to celebrate them saying that that pleased that this happened and they really hope that very nearby there would be a monument to her for a new word that she did the part that she did above to investigate the investigating corruption these facebook groups were actually administered by and home to senior government and labor party officials at one point the prime minister himself former prime minister was part of it what does that tell you about your beloved global pirtle that part i don't like and it's part of the local political culture which is not nice of the local political culture to celebrate her assassination calling her relatives a family of animals and completely unacceptable but there are fortunately it's part

of the terminology sometimes of local political culture which cheetham terms used because the labor proper support does as well you don't have the all the way to deal to get a new reputation with all this behind you have got to remove her as i said we have to change change is painful but it would be more painful if we don't change every spatola thanks very much for being a local principle thank you. the

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