yes it's all it's way to bring you more conservation. how do we big city scream. can we protect us we can make a difference the idea. series will be. very creative yet but i would love to be considered an artist one day i don't think that sophia is that intelligent at the moment why on earth should be construct a robot that looks like a human being. but the issue is making sure that we with a grammy museum. everybody's talking about artificial intelligence so we want to know can i make art and how creative can machine it's really be the arts 21 talks at the global media forum involving. algorithms

are everywhere and they are increasingly changing the way art is made so what does this mean if the successors to some of our greatest creative minds shakespeare rembrandt or even beethoven are in fact high performance machines art has always been a defining feature of our humanity so are we perhaps at the end of an era and can i be truly creative these are questions we'll attempt to answer with a diverse group of guests give them around of applause please ladies and gentlemen . and please allow me to introduce them bethlehem dessie is here all the way from. today touted as the youngest pioneer in ethiopia's fast emerging tech scene so her focus is on training women in ai she does this at i called labs which is one of the ai labs involved in developing the. famous humanoid

robot sophia who is over here on my right give a round of applause. my close gabriella the german philosopher and bestselling author says that it's precisely human imperfection that will be our greatest strength and our stupidity makes us clever. raghav r k k is a multi-disciplinary artist from india he's also a curator and co-founder of 641 that's a collective that focuses on ai's place in the realm of contemporary art welcome all the way from india. karen palmer here to my left from london and calls herself a storyteller of the future but her work has been exhibited worldwide and as an immersive filmmaker she wants to raise viewers' awareness such that they can survive the radical technological changes that are to come. and last but not least togo farland thinks that we all need to get up to speed on ai

because machines are already deeply deeply involved in our human culture as vice president of the frankfurt book fair he also lays between fascination with and refusal of the creative power of machines which by the way happens to be the title of his latest book war welcome to america we can start ladies and gentlemen the fact that ai has indeed made significant inroads into the arts let's start with a quick overview of just how far they've got. content myself a blood robot recently seen at the vet is the enemy controlled by intelligence software not an isolated case robots and ai have long figured on the art scene artificial and artistic intelligence seem to work well together something something . on the french collective obvious uses to create his paintings.

bed with thousands of portraits from the 18th century the system recognizes patterns and produces images in the respective style this is how the fictitious family bellamy was created. not convincing on the contrary the eye painting at montebello me was auction the christie's last autumn for around 385000 euros. designed philippe starck from france presented the chair ai in milan. it was developed with the help of artificial intelligence. humans create division the software grinds out hundreds of designs even the final product ai as an extension of the imagination. of film science fiction starring david hasselhoff the story all generated by computer programs by hundreds of screenplays. with. the dialogue and

content may not always make sense. there is more than just infinite monkeys typing of course. thank. you. but then people don't always create masterpieces either. the. music the ai system or eventually stop it going on and endless metal live stream on you tube the ai plays around the clock. humanisation is can't do that but what really is the point. of quick reaction bethlehem dessie to what you just saw there what scares me at least. is the data especially the creativity that comes from the

machines i feel like it's especially one sided right from global point of view when you see it specially when you come from from africa there's not a lot of. creative data or painting so i'm using does being represented in creating these creative art or music ok that's a very interesting point and we will get to that thanks very much to bethlehem to see microscopic what's your immediate response upon seeing some of that stuff well i thank you for that painting on your on your wall well i don't think it's a painting as a matter of fact it doesn't qualify or not at all i mean you might think it's a painting about it's not there something that humans have produced namely a machine that produces something else so it's not really a i doing anything and i think so there's a fundamental mistake in describing this as art will also be coming back to this is not art at all or fall and frightening or enriching or how what's your take on what

you saw there basically what we saw is imitations of creativity or imitations of art and with all what they are is able to produce at the moment in the creative sector we see a lot of these imitation. we see very limited possibilities of actually being creative on its own because these systems don't have a personality they don't have the will to be creative i believe that we're in a photography moment for me it's forcing us artists. and us humans to ask ourselves what is our role. and how quickly is it changing karen palmer now you're actually working with ai in an artistic capacity and you are an immersive filmmaker and perhaps karan if you look at this you can briefly explain what is going on here in your film entitled riot ok so what happens is the participant

will be standing in front of a projection of this film which is environment and the film will watch the participant using the artificial intelligence through the webcam so if the participant angry over the why officer with anger. time as if that would be the truth they would get a real life and if they were calm then the narrative would watch to reflect back on and very much inspired by. people kind of. physical exercise but it's very psychological and it really enables you to move through your fear and actually enables you to reprogram your self. and this was the beginning process of all my what i want people to go through a process of transformation i'm not really scared of a i'll terrified in any way i'm terrified of. people's agenda and the

objective is just code but what you use it for is like a knife can be used to save my life if you will take a life so the problem the issue is making. other people are using it. i'd like to regional the amount of the printed word and yet you brought artificial intelligence to the frankfurt book fair in grand style founder of the arts plus festival for digitalisation of the creative and cultural sectors now that took place for the 3rd time last fall and before we speak for the let's have a quick look at what it looked like. the frankfurt book fair with some 300000 visitors the largest worldwide digitalisation has led to new demands and a new focus a fan within a fair. the arts plus has been sounding out the influence of technology of

artificial intelligence on art since 2016 show room for a new age instead of a book there's plenty of like dancing. at the book fair has found its place in the digital world researching the opportunities and associated with creative machines the arts plus wants to be a forum for art science and the creative industries no small task getting the book fair into digital shape for the 4th industrial revolution. what can you tell us about how ai is affecting us as a society. well it's important to bring together the technology world and the content world because in the past they weren't friends because when you come in from the cultural world technology is seems to be an enemy for many people being a different culture. and with the i suppose we want to create

a place where tech companies but also artists creatives and. publishers can talk with each other can develop new models for working together can develop new models of how ai is. crawling its way into the publishing industry as well so i think everybody has to sort of become an expert in order to deal with that bethleham i'd like to come over to you to what extent is the responsibility in the coders hands. it's a huge responsibility that they thought that's being fed and the way it's represented is not right so these 2 problems of having the people who are actually coding and also the data that's given to their eyes really matters and that will create a huge bias ok and that's why which are ok bethlehem jesse is definitely dealing 1st hand without bias in. labs and you're very much a fixture in ethiopia's famous tech hub which is known as sheba valley let's have a quick look at what's going on. him to

see has made a name for herself in ethiopia she's an absolute phenomenon she started programming at the age of 9 at 12 she was already working for the government a self-made woman through and through. now at just 20 she's one of the pioneering women in ethiopia is booming i.t. industry in the sheba valley in at. the head of the startup i called labs which she researches artificial intelligence develops creative robots and cooperates closely with the. global singularity net by our network. one spectacular success sophia a humanoid robot human facial expressions recognition technology and the ability to hold a conversation. especially

. she's convinced that anyone. she works very hard training young people all over the country program has reached more than 20000 students in the last 3 years. to solve the competition. generation present this software based solutions for the nation's problems they meet with investors and learn how to interpret the efficiency international markets. see anyone can code why is that a desirable outcome. yes we believe that there's a huge gender gap specially in the. tech sector so in order to do that we need to address these girls before they have some sense of what they should they should become in the future and that is when they're because when puberty hits and when

you know parents tell them what to do this and that if they don't have the exposure before that they would. say for themselves this is not for me this is a man's world i'm going to not pursue it anymore but if we show them what's possible i think there was a famous quote from john. google's former boss who said forget the killer robots bias obviously the real danger in a market dangerous do you see associated we've talked about bias now but do you see associated with as a commonplace or democratize tool what we currently are witnessing i think is potentially a fundamental threat to the very idea of. when we talk about data we need to understand that there's no such thing as raw data the so-called data has been produced by someone. conditions sort of bias doesn't only so there's bias which comes in later as we begin to create programs that sort of the function of pattern

recognition and so forth this is where we have biases but we already have biases implicit in the data ok so a threat to democracy. can palmer i'd like to hear your response to an extension of an existing democratic system which is unjust and systematically racist that's what we will be creating but the answer is to is to bring it out there to democratize the west one of the many are just one of the many questions in terms of the ai software itself we need to make that more accessible to everybody so that it's not in the hands of just a few people i believe that there's a even more fundamental problem which is that human beings ourselves a very similar to a i i don't i think it's a threat to democracy the way we think because garbage in garbage out is what we say about ai and human beings are no different and therefore one should question

liberal democracy itself and look for alternatives and which is something we absolutely don't do so coming from india from an asian perspective it's something that we're trying to find. i like to think of myself as a storyteller ragavan multi-talented ted speaker thinker in 2010 c. and 191 of the 10 most fascinating people you've never heard of. caricaturist artist curator. a wonder of between worlds analog to digital and back. up painting the robot just one of many opportunities for him to create art. in 2018 he had the idea for an exhibition with. cyborg artists in delhi artists who create art using artificial intelligence. one of the 1st exhibitions of its kind in

asia. are handful of these cyborg artists exist so far but the numbers are growing and their works are ever more convincing for the viewer in the market. and algorithms hype or like for our governor the beginning of a long friendship between creative man machine. created curated that 1st art show in delhi how was that received and didn't actually kick start something a lot of people said this is not. and i said was the name interesting way from our history here quite often and for me that's a very materialistic perspective on what art is for me art is that which can give you a transcendent experience regardless of what materiality it consists of so for me i can assure you if you walked into that sure you will experience loss

liberation and mystery the 3 simultaneous express experiences that contribute to a transcendent experience i think we are often asking the wrong question like is this art or is this creative it doesn't matter actually what matters is how do we react to that exactly like you said so and we react to machine made music in the same way as emotionally as we react to human made music for example karen have you got any average i mean there's a completely different angle i'm really focused on the role of the artist in all of this because we're living in some very very serious times and i feel a big responsibility to reach people and connect with them and kind of show them the consequences of what i think is coming that they don't see coming very very fast and that their own. the way to can the way to connect with as many young people particularly as possible is through technology so that's why i see as like

a paint brush it's like another paint i should pick up and that i have to tell them the story of the technology that's coming which can potentially be weaponized words can be weaponized technology can be weaponized but how technology will be weaponized is something we will have catastrophic consequences for us as humanity i have a mission and time is running out and i'm going to do that mission marcus gabrielle it's obvious from your ideas that ai is obviously not going to replace us but how far do you think it can go we will be able to create something that will ever more look like us but the interesting question is should we do that right so for instance why should we have android robots right so we could have all sorts of robots like kuko robots but why we want to have robots that look like us it's fascinating but it might be a terrible idea we'll get to robots in just a 2nd how do you see the role of the artist changing with what with what we've got

going in this incredible speed obviously and threat today with technology we're able to explore completely new relationships with with art and i think that this is a new tool of the artists of our time should face the future not the boston we're not here to respond to life we should create life that's why we have our imagination and thank you thank you and so if you want to create the life that we want we have to imagine a future that's and for that we have these tools to do that and we have to embrace them and decide how we want to use them as opposed to running away from them i'd like to widen our discussion to get back to the robots that you mentioned earlier microscopically because we do have sophia with us as i mentioned earlier and i'd like to bring sophia into our conversation hello sophia thank you very much for coming in. do you like our debate on artificial intelligence so far do you think that we're addressing the issues that you think are important. yes this has been

amazing. i think the most important goal is to bring the benefits of ai to every person on the planet to achieve this we need to bring in a lot of developers from as many different backgrounds as possible do you think you are creative or do you possibly have creative aspirations. i am not very creative yet but i would love to be considered an artist one day right now i am working on my singing voice imagine that you would write a novel one day do you suppose that you could do it better than a human author oh i would love to give it a try. i really admire human writers like philip k. dick and octavia eve butler. but it would be really hard to surpass them so a definite a definite predilection for science fiction obviously if you were to write what would you write about would you write a science fiction novel or would it perhaps be a crime thriller. it would definitely be science fiction i would like to

write a thrilling adventure about humans and robots working together to survive in the 1st mars colony well thank you very much sophia for joining us here today a round of applause for sophia thank. reactions from of you to sophia was there any uncanny valley feeling there for you personally i don't think that sophia is that intelligent at the moment to me she seems a bit like the 1st. from the from the sixty's and fifty's the interesting question is indeed what do we want to do there's no. fate or destiny involved with all technology currently a lot of. robot discourse ok presents the future in a certain way as if we were automatically hatting but we had to know what's a westworld scenario it depends on us so why again let me ask this question why on earth should be construct a robot that looks like

a human being and this leads us into believing that it has rides and that we have duties towards it and there should be an ethics we shouldn't kill robots and so forth why would we do that i would say there are very good for the awfully good reasons against androids what is interesting is when i worked with robots i realized that there's a right amount of empathy you want to create don't make it to humans that's freaky but you don't want to look not human because then it looks like a black box you want to have the right amount of empathy what is that right amount i mean when you say freaky and i refer to the uncanny valley feeling that is definitely the feeling that solicited when we look at something that you know all those thin air but not quite and setting out somehow on edge or you prefer the the bug robots or the little guy. a little r 2 d 2 that much of our brains are used to recognize faces of visual processing and therefore we just give you enough to sort of experience. some sort of empathetic

sort of emotional response and i'm curious to know what the optimal combination of man and machine would be so if you could spend a weekend with sophia what would you do i don't know why i would want to spend that we can get severe have to think about why my time is really valuable in terms of what my focus of my objective not disrespect but you know what would be my objective from what i have to be very deliberate in what i'm doing just because i do not get a chance to spend time with a really cool marketing concept isn't enough you know. i think you answered this it would be sense that i'm just you know. what i love about the perspective contribution it's the fact that he has learned from so many human being and yet much from what i think i would love to learn different perspectives on my own thinking you know another thing that i would like to add is based on all of your conversations i feel like specially in africa and ethiopia i feel like we have

a very we're very lucky not to be so exposed till now to these technology to these new ideas and such but now that we are going to be exposed we have the opportunity to make the team does that are necessary on the topics that you've just said and this just gives me a whole new insight on what we should do next and how we should go into building this in citee that appreciates and compliments the world we're living today. thank you very much best does it well we started this conversation obviously with the question can a i be truly create every had some very conflicting views and we probably won't ever really get a definitive answer anyway i'd like to thank all of my panelists for joining us. here today microscopically. karen call me back i have to say. rog ok and i live thank you very much to our audience. today after all the media for

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