cost of the corona pandemic more painfully evident than in italy more than 13000 deaths the most in the world tonight italian lawmakers are asking their neighbors for help and if the european union doesn't get this right they warn that the e.u. itself could also become a victim of the. berlin this is the day. pass to show whether or not it's a common european house we will soon need something close to normal economic activity we have to face and overcome in the puckle challenge and emergency that's having a destructive impact on our health systems our economies and our social systems not on the we have thousands of coronavirus deaths but we will also have millions of unemployed. but we are not writing pages of

a business handbook here we are writing the pages of a history book. also coming up the corona virus has already appended daily life around the globe when the pandemic is over what kind of world will we live in will europe keep its promise to protect your data privacy these are plucked from the this platform is the european city should it conforms to data protection regulations and respect the side of values and can contribute to have protection. to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world welcome we begin the day with the health crisis that has become a human crisis today the head of the united nations declared the coronavirus pandemic the greatest test that the world has faced since the 2nd world war and so far the solutions appear bigger than any one country this is not news to the people in. italy the death toll from the virus is the highest in the world their hospitals

are at their limits along with the country's entire economy unemployment is rising and more people are facing hunger the government is now distributing food but no one is kidding themselves tonight the gap between desperation and social unrest is getting smaller by the day. italy's streets empty like they have been for the past 3 weeks. police are on patrol to ensure citizens only leave their homes when strictly necessary. the lockdown has altered daily life in italy and brought the country's economy to a halt all non-essential businesses have had to shut down many people have lost their jobs or have seen their salaries cut some are now unable to afford even the basics. authorities and individual citizens have stepped in handing out

meals to those in need but these initiatives are hardly enough and the risk of social unrest in italy is growing the mayor of naples has warned that the lockdown can't continue indefinitely. but he still we will soon need something close to normal economic activity. otherwise not only will we have thousands of coronavirus deaths but we will also have millions of unemployed people need you'll need each local body that you know organized crime will stop and it can spend money and it can spend it faster than the government. will stop in sicily police are patrolling supermarkets after reports of shoppers refusing to pay italy isn't the only nation with a lockdown is hitting the poor hardest it might again prove to be an example of what's to come in other countries paralyzed by the coronavirus crisis. over more now we

want to bring in thomas own on the cine he's a member of the italian senate for the center left democratic party which is one of the parties in the italian government he's also a political economist mr nunn and cine welcome to the day our condolences to your country and all those who have lost loved ones due to the virus your country is now in its 4th week of this lockdown the economy is shut down does everyone in italy tonight have enough to eat how do you think you are thanks for i mean. actually the situation is still dramatic as you are saying and we're still at the peak of the imagine city and he had to carry a match and and the government's just extend the last hour or an essential services. to date until easter until

a preterist in. we are confident that time storm there are lauerman their peak. although we are aware that it and seizure out of the lock down will be very difficult in that will have to be. gradual you know the transition after the lockdown the you tweeted earlier today that after the coronavirus pandemic there will be a new world whether we like it or not and it will depend on the choices being made today what are those choices where we should be or be aware of that of the huge responsibility that italian then i would say european leadership is facing this morning because the effect of the choices that they were. made in those difficult times will last.

they're proving how. at the moment that we should be aware of the transition out of the law out of the health care medicines out of them and then mr. this doesn't mean that we can afford them and look for. a lot of moments of budget means that we have to plan you know plans because the. lemmings. my surprise decision leaders the transition that we have to plan cannot take us by surprise we have to see this engine. will. continue their work force receptor proves this that eventually. we arrived and that we did right social distancing mr nunn and cheney i want you to

take a listen to what your prime minister said about italy and the european union in this crisis take a listen. now. but i would like to take the opportunity to tell the people of germany that we are not writing pages of a business handbook here. we are writing the pages of a history book. when i see that we have to face and overcome and they pop culture the engine and all of its master an emergency that's having a destructive impact on our health systems our economies and our social systems europe has to show whether or not it's a common european house a house capable of offering a response to this apocalypse challenge whether europe is up to its tasks as envisaged by schumann adenauer to gas buddy on there now and then that. i want to ask you that your prime minister there he is implying that something like euro

bonds or corona bonds are needed moving forward are you getting any indications from the netherlands or from germany that they would be willing to to change their rules and the tat taboos and say yes to some type of shared debt burden. i think that was a change in the discussion and it's not a. chair i'm sitting in. that case ben there's wishers is given for the times we should lead this discussion is a europeans i wish to discuss with different views of course because you may have on these men there more conservative or more progressive views about a kind of europe that you have vision but we shouldn't really have the in this question is europeans or cattle and our common policy we need

to face this crisis to address common problems with common to us. i mean today least. you know you know leaderships of the past i would that you just mentioned there were dead. in france from time when those leadership decided to have a common currency to have the euro they didn't listen just because i still can't open my money and hear us gave you. your piece of the political structure we should do the same and at this point and really ask ourselves as europeans where we need it if he's got a union that compliment the model of the union which will never manage. that would

be a big that would be a big change mr nala seanie you wrote yesterday in the online newspaper link yesterday you wrote that the fact that we had talian save often been masters of bad debt does not matter now although we should own up to it how do you convince though the german government the dutch government that your past behavior is not an indicator of italy's future behavior when it comes to debt. well interest them less while of the one you mentioned we should the knowledge that even go to the aid as utopians we need would that that too. for social investment is that his italian see in the past we've done a lot of bets that. to them all of that the 2nd thing is that they knew that should be this i don't buy european institutions i'm not

asking for a knockout just to pay for it and that i am asking all of the european countries to the. new bar as i do european level to saul to get there. and to face together the kratos which will decide to get their work out of the graveyard of this issue decided to get there what are the areas and it was that we use to face unemployment and the reality products of our firms as are the europeans or every other my. while i am certain that this discussion where continue mr not to say need to muzzle on a senior member of the italian senate with the center left democratic party mr nonis jenny we appreciate you talking with us tonight thank you. and you're there here.

is your smartphone helping the government trace your every step the german government is about to launch a smartphone app that would alert people if they come in contact with someone who has tested positive for the corona virus no studies show that this contact tracing method is highly effective against epidemics it was used in south korea successfully but will it force people to decide between public health and data privacy so far the signs are all for public help. using mobile phones to tackle the coronavirus without a massive increase in states of eylandt for weeks over 100 experts from 8 countries have been working to achieve this goal now they've come up with an app that uses bluetooth technology to anonymously monitor whether other users on nearby for

a certain period of time. if a user has tested positive for the corona virus other pieces who were in contact received a warning. up as a free app works on a voluntary basis privacy will be strictly respected because we will on no account to use personal data or location data neither will day to be saved over a long period but rather just for 21 days. germany's business friendly free democratic party is among those to back the idea. the the plot from the of this platform is li european city sion it conforms to data protection regulations and respects society of values and can contribute to health protection on a finished up isn't ready yet and the german government says the newly announced project is just one of many options it is considering and you know it is have to spin this cunt's i can tell you now that the head of the chancellor's office thinks the app is promising and welcomes the fact that

a cross border solution is being worked on the ns a bush couldn't function yet. the project's developer say an app may be ready after easter. well my next guest tonight is olof he is the c.e.o. of cambrian futures and a professor at the business school at the university of california berkeley he's also the author of solomon's code humanity in a world of thinking machines it's a look into the future of a society changed by artificial intelligence is to grow it welcome back to the day when you and i 1st spoke here back in may 2018 you told me that the european union passing its new data protection wall would go down in history as a game changing event is the coronavirus pandemic also a game changing event. it's nice to be with you brant and yes coronavirus will push the e.u.

to come to terms with a key tension in many ways decisions on corona's seem to mirror those on additional economy in europe they seem to mostly get made locally but the cost is borne regionally as infection spread but this shows that we can't truly act as one so what we really need is one regional smart meaning you know digitally integrated health net across europe that helps track and mitigate these types of endemic says brussels proposes regulation toward a idea and accommodates all market but then decisions on execution procedures for implementation get make make locally right and those local realities are very different as we all know right so the region is too fragmented it really needs to start to to to act as one homogenizing local rules and procedures and creating one common infrastructure you have said that data big data is the new all and it's also a matter of life and death when we're trying to plot a course to contain this virus governments in the united states and europe they

acted on the data late and now we're talking about hundreds of thousands possibly dying isn't this a clear case of ignore the data at your own peril. well i think that's correct brant the e.u. is very advanced in regulating and protecting and debating and reflecting for a long time before acting but the time for acting has come regulation isn't a problem creating privacy enabled data pools and then building in scaling solutions really is right in terms of quickly building and scaling those solutions meanwhile thousands will be dying because europe lacks an up to date well governed and well protected in of course privacy assured digital infrastructure so europe just can't seem to make decisions fast enough to really implement these things as quickly as change happens in the world we pass legislation and then very little else happens that we we have to stop talking and we have to start acting yeah i

mean it's it's a good point but i just spoke with a member of the italian senate and he's pushing for euro bonds and getting the northern europeans to get on board with that is it's proving to be impossible for him at least at this stage one of the biggest changes in this pandemic is that many people have been sent home to work the home office concept it's really flourishing and after this pandemic many people may never go back to the office outside of their home how is our notion of work being impacted by this pandemic. well you know on one hand working from home can create more reflection time if you have the luxury of space you know you you then have possibly a greater yield of ideas and potentially even you know of a should maybe even higher productivity you know that's that's a positive however there's also a downsize right for one work from home is it is really a highly privileged thing to do many people don't have

a home of their own what you think about them hundreds of millions of people in developing countries around the world who don't or if they do they don't really have a lot of space in that space or share and then also if you work at home then there is no more room for relaxation for switching off and that too is not good for productivity and for creativity and innovation so my hope is that we're going to see new innovations come out of this around communication around collaboration that will speak to that tension enabling us and also safeguarding you know us to be humans and to to relax and to refuel when we need to in order to be more productive and that's one of my great hopes for change coming out is so you know probably you're probably not the type who does home office in his pajamas but that would be a different show here let me ask you about. about surveillance and the the state once this pandemic is behind as you know south korea used cell phone data to successfully contain the virus we know that china is using artificial

intelligence and draconian surveillance and it's being praised for breaking the speed of the spread now there's a push on europe in the united states to test this data for public health i mean does the push like we've never seen before what do you see happening. well look as you know i am very concerned but also hopeful right. so so i'm very concerned about potentially fostering pushing what we call the surveillance economy or surveillance capitalism where we can literally get observed and measured and sensed every minute of our days and clearly we can't let that happen on the other side or on the other hand i should say surveilling when very well defined very narrow ways when it comes to public health house very tangible very material tradeoffs and benefits i should say so we need to design solutions that give us those benefits and also

respect our privacy so that for instance our movement patterns or the nature of our social relationships cannot be tracked and then handed to networks to the wrong people that requires delivered safeguards and regulations and again that's where the e.u. excels but it also requires that we give entrepreneurs and business people some guidance on how to design these use cases and how they get the benefit but also respect the human being in that germany and incidentally singapore with these new apps are taking 1st steps and i commend them but again we need to see what actually remains after we've talked about it can we actually execute and scale this. you know throughout germany and really the european union with the appropriate safeguards quickly enough saved safeguards that's the word right i mean you're assuming that the public is going to trust the government some public institutions and that's been that's a problem right now. that's

a problem and i think we do need you know some kind of certification by governance by governments that they are putting on top of these applications governance mechanisms meaning privacy safeguard audit right where experts you know under n.d.a. nondisclosure agreements can actually monitor what kind of data gets kollek to it what kind of identifiers are in the data and whether these privacy of course is actually being respected all of that can be done we've done it elsewhere and it needs to be done here if we want the public to accept it because it's no good to have these apps if we can't scale them throughout the public through the population that's very true what good is anything if you don't have trust to go with it olof groat c.e.o. of cambrian futures this approach is going to see you again we appreciate your insights thank you thanks for having me but. what should we all be wearing face masks to protect ourselves and others from the

spread of the corona virus for months public health officials have said that for healthy people there's no need but that stance may be changing public health authorities here in europe and in the u.s. may soon encourage more people to wear masks and it comes when protective equipment for doctors and nurses is in short supply you got to use young philip schultz reports tonight from spain. it takes just minutes to produce the plastic brackets needed for protective mats and genea fences could put out as a 3 d. printer at home when an initiative in his hometown of civility was set up to produce masks for medical personnel he joined and right away for safety reasons we met francisco outside his apartment his family from the video inside the home he proudly showed us the model that the members of the initiative designs together the emphasis is on simplicity so that the mouth can be produced quickly. i know that people need to. look. at the year for social security.

because of my you know my wife. and she. nothing else to take and let's go to max i'm good looks francisco about 100 other participants princeps more than 5000 masks in the last few days local police officers then distribute them the lack of basic protective gear at spanish medical facilities is getting worse about one in 10 people newly infected with the coronavirus work in health care it costing 2 official statistics. inside us describe the senator every situation in many hospitals and clinics as shocking and why the creativity of private initiatives is impressive some. questions about the responsibility of the government why does the state seem to be so prepared for a crisis like this and the government not to stockpile protective.

while the pandemic is limiting our social lives with lockdowns forcing the temporary closure of bars restaurants and cinema as well almost all sentiments the german city of beslan has a notable exception but you'll need a car to see it with a few blankets for the cold evening nicole and her daughter get ready to watch a film at the drive in cinema they're also taking some ice cream and candy along tonight the german comedy is playing. you can't understand we can't go to a normal cinema and there's nothing else city in the car we don't have to worry about jen's life so to go said let's go to the cinema ok to get it's like nicole many people are making their 1st trip to the drive in. it's monday he would never be here if it would have gone to a normal cinema but this was suitable sense stead of sitting at home on the couch we decided to come here i want to munchkin again well most of germany's drive in

cinemas are closed the city of essen has issued a special permit allowing this one to remain open amid tight restrictions each car is women said to 2 people and their children and tickets are only available online type easy to wind up and hold up the ticket by the tickets are only checked when the window is off the stack bar and heater rental remain closed the drive in is open during all kinds of weather regardless of how cold it is not usual jacomo strange but everything was sold out while i was also in the midst of the pandemic movie fans are looking for a bit of normality as long as they can get a ticket. sounds like back to the future of the day is almost up the conversation continues online to find us on twitter either of you to be news follow me a broadcast t.v. and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then.

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