beethoven. is for. talking 202250th anniversary here. live. we have underestimated or the ramifications of touring your situation is not in your control is it how could you bill you get the election result that you want this week conflict zone is at the munich security conference in germany a country that has just been plunged into a deeper ship crisis and confronted with the specter of its nazi past miracles hand-picked successor and. has stepped down after her c.d.u. members defied orders and voted with the far right in the german state to run my

guest is a c.d.u. parliamentarian who serves on the foreign affairs committee can his party find its soul and its backbone as europe and the world looks to germany italy. about ricky's event a welcome. how could an election one of the smallest german states bring down the hand selected successor to angela merkel and those tomatoes or the ramifications of touring europe or so that we have to recognize that the christian democratic union has not taken serious consequences so this was the 1st mistake inside the party of tory go the 2nd mistake was that we have underestimated the role of the parliament. in 2 ring year 4 i think we should be very decent and

very careful german chancellor has called for a new election a.f.d. is feasting on this chaos the deeply by the far right a f d do you the suit you wish to do position so we are not we are not a governing party and touring europe we have been a deal has shown that they would recklessly they vote only for trying to split the cohesion of the center of democratic parties and we have to accept that inside germany we have a strong turmoil inside the population a lot of people who feel left behind try to make use of the de as a protest party and the politicians of the of these have exploited that so what do you do now because i mean you have for example the leader of the a.f.p. in the bundestag alice vital saying the following a state premier was democratically elected from democratically elected representatives then the chancellor comes in and says this election has to be undone and voided so what do you do you just keep going until you get the election

result you want we have to stay to the to the who gained what's in the parliament so it's a democratic procedure by not voting for their own candidate but voting for. probably minutes until you get it cleared you're getting past and the did as german chancellor she's pushed the party so far to the left she's created the space for the far right f.t. they are now the largest opposition party in the bundestag they are playing can you ringback make her into rugby as you yourself have highlighted well they are not the largest opposition party they are the largest opposition party but they have only 1000 seats so we should not overestimate the 2nd as regards the role of our party we are in the center and america has detected that normally in germany you have a left majority and it is her merit that she has achieved since 2005 center

oriented policy in germany with the participation of the c.d.u. without this idea we would have been in the opposition since 10 or 15 years again so she brought the seed you to the center and began to shake in this country to its core at the reaction has been fast and furious weren't you aware of the. government c.d.u. members who were elected who quality to you members who were elected who called for you for help they called for you months ago they called for you in october what would an office so the preparation of the election of the law he was or do this election from the left he was not over about the chess game so they are have been black eyed at the time so my guess is that 1st of all the touring you can see you has to take over the responsibility 2nd the c.d.u. in germany has to be aware that the population in eastern germany is not willing to

accept i'm a defender of until america then we should explain why we cannot accept the party which is defending 12 years of dictatorship as some. excrements of a bird that such a party is trying to be part of the process for. you cans and similar. 54 percent of the voters of the voters in this german state voted for fringe parties but you might be wrong but it's democracy so markus it's democracy you're right but the deal us all those voters their roles don't matter no but we have to explain what the d.a. has in him behind what is thinking from behind what's where is leading who is leading from behind them that this is a party which is absorbing neglectable in parties who all went over to the nationally you know you have called for its dissolution a solution here. wouldn't you just be handling bring more votes to the a.f.p.

i don't think so i think if the c.d.u. where would they be really the half are those who have have abstained towards for years for decades nearly and the other children of the c.d.u. it's the children of living the countryside at home a sight behind it's a sign for neglecting the needs of the people in the in the 5 new land in germany of germany and 3rd we should be very well aware that the da is a party with precious roots but we should not blame the world as we should name not cooperate with heads of a party who are very very right wing but for the c.d.u. in in the hour lose in the center and we lose more than with more than we might gain at the right wing a very famous but i'd like to bring in now from france years of strauss legendary prime minister a very and former candidate for chancellor no legitimate political party together

you can adhere to that mantra if we offer right wing candidates for cut translates to conservative people we won't when we will create opposition leaders but we will not create chances happen in your country 48 percent believe that the f.t. will be part of a regional or federal government in the next 10 years 26 percent think it is ok that the f.t. participates in a regional government not a federal government situations as far as you know we have since the beginning of the federal republic of germany we have a right wing up to a white right wing. oriented population up to 25 percent and to 15 percent who are really fascist so we have to invest more in education and explanation and 2nd for me it's of utmost importance not to accept that such parties create governments we should be here where a clue. i've got compound are is now stepping down as head of the party she will

not run for chancellor she was the successor who was picked by both your party and by agel americal herself was she about pick i don't i don't think so but she has made some bad choices and she has now lost 21 percent of people in the country or who are happy with her performance that's just 6 per cent or then the f.t. had alexander gul it's the it's also a question of how you you raise the question and how you formulate the questions and on the other side she has achieved something which nearly is forgotten she has reconstituted c.s.u. and c.d.u. this is really her biggest merrit as regards as the party chief and now she's out there's a power vacuum and to me for leadership i decided to take a moment to talk a little bit more about germany's track record on on an international stage and we can begin with syria on october 21st 2019 defense minister and of our prime qanbar

made a proposal for a security zone in syria similar to a proposal that you had made years earlier. well the proposal itself is very well you will very estimate it but at that time very impractical the very practical because it shows to the united states that these of all that the europeans are willing for burden sharing and this was the core idea of european burden sharing combined with the united nations security mandate however the stick the people in syria don't have time for theoretical debates so i mean what's better for you is it better to have a good plan that's not in acted or plan that actually help people well the plan which helps people is still missing and it's due to the fact that the european union has not a quote qualitative majority vote but you need to act. anonymously so this is

the real barrier of european ability to act and unfortunately this is not over has not yet been overcome but i'm going to click on pop combo hope also made here in new nick has made a lot of proposals hope to overcome this and broke the success of mrs mcgraw really made it very clear these days that the european ability to act is only lip service and we need to overcome that the situation is dire the situation is currently at our doorstep we have your own interior minister saying that we are going to have a 2nd 2015 if we do not help countries at the e.u. borders with how to deal with migration 3000000 civilians in limited government and that's of 600000 have already been displaced since december. what are you doing well this is the idea of a nickel come convo about the safety so need a u.n. mandate and that step because if you don't get the united nations into action you

will lose the international credibility of the united nations itself and it's a question of diplomatic and. not the chinese or russian vote against it so you need to convince them and you need to offer them something that's a question of negotiation and should do this we should try to achieve a secure and safe haven either nor syria or in western part of iraq to have a safe haven for refugees under the united nations control by and with with other partners because the turks and the russians slightly bypassed you and they they did it on their own why the way that they do that because the european union was not able to act there was no willingness and therefore we need these german proposals because it was germany which hampered for example european action in the straits of hormuz some some others are a little bit more about your partnership some you mention the united nations the european union to talk about nato. germany made the following commitment and 2014

nato leaders they all very committed to increasing defense spending and spending 2 percent of g.d.p. by 2020 fortune what that the number is and then very well current government reports wondered at least the sun to 1.5 percent by 2024 currently we are with how well the drinks your partners whether our caucus christian democratic and christian social union we demanded to achieve this by the end of this period so that means in 2021 but our coalition partner the s.p.d. didn't want that at all so we need to find compromises and what the compromise was to achieve that goal by 2025 however the pure numbers won't help this would be about 60000000000 euros some 5 years. go with nearly 32000000000 euro so that would mean to nearly double it by 2025 and 2 percent would need 2000000000 euros who takes you seriously though if you can't even abide to your commitments on the

international scale because you have those internal dynamics regarding your cold current coalition and your party is a tree who takes you seriously we need to come down because we are very honest and our defense to us was the chancellor made the commitment one but 5 percent but 2025 due to our coalition commitments and to to continue and to achieve the 2 percent goal by 2031 i know as a simple member of parliament that this is too long too late but we have also and also an armed forces which was not able to absorb any further money because all the changes with which i needed or the reforms are not yet to do the reforms are over due but they are not yet in action not yet practical so that means we need for the time 2nd it's not only the figure of what we need is more than 2 operability and more than that as

a sion and then we could also save money we have $32.00 armies in the european union and we need to reform that all these $32.00 armies have at least the same procedures and nearly the same equipment let's talk a little bit more about the readiness of your army to respond to that common defense clause within nato we have from the blunders fast but then he says the following there's not enough quit not enough personnel too much bureaucracy you have a fleet of submarine stuck in port because they didn't have required propellers you have take battalions operating at one 4th of capacity loved the pilots not being able to lug enough light outs to complete can can your allies from live in you to be ready well what as regards our commitment to the balkans or to afghanistan or to africa or the baltic police. we fully achieve or benchmarks but what is up to reforms still the domestic situation of our armed forces and this is really

horrible and the money you just mentioned it is repeating this since 5 years however look where we come from we are a pessimist country we have 20 years from 19 i think this country however with with aspirations to lead on the international scare scale when it comes to involvement in conflicts where military deterrence and military action might be needed the other don't you need a functional bundeswehr or do you just plan to when i mean that lines until you eventually as a former officer i know a functioning army since the early 1990 s. and i know a dysfunctional army is the last 25 years we have achieved a lot now and with the armed forces the bundeswehr is on a very good way however it will take another 10 years because it was nearly dismantled as regards our combat forces it was nearly dismantled as regards or stocks of ammunition since 2011 the war against libya we have not refilled our munitions stocks so look where we come from our narrative force we are encircled by

partners and friends so we could focus on security on social security we are for 8 percent of the world. of the of the world spending for social well for germany 8 percent with one percent of the population of the world and we are 4 percent of the world social spending but we do not match our current movement since 2014 but we know to achieve that because since 2990 we have fought for that so we need to turn back to our former commitments and the us we had we know how it works but we didn't do that let's talk about another security concern nords stream 2 it's that heavily criticized by the united states and skeptical of nordstrom too but it is still russian gas that europe needs germany has more than 2 thirds of its gas and. eyes from russia which cannot be discussed away so you want to have your cake and eat it 1st of all the americans should calm down because they import billions of barrels

nor but millions of barrels of russian oil and they should come down and look european come down there's an open letter from 60 member of parliament from 5 political groups a dramatic development in the germ it really stream to cause otherwise we could not achieve our own energy so you're prepared to play your energy security to russia our energy security is really the mistake was done 15 years ago when chancellor schroeder went into russian services and therefore we have made these mistakes and i am very bluntly in this way we politicians and io i would would be very careful because we all are guilty in that we have named this as of economic project it isn't in the comic project it was the one touch of to name this as an economic project it's a purely political one and now we cannot withdraw from it but we have also taken

that because we can try to influence russia but i'm not i'm not a defender of more stream 2 for economic reasons i think we really needed to achieve our energy change and we need an influence to russia but it is not a good choice let's talk about digital independence there are some security concerns there as well you know u.s. secretary of state my plan pale saying here at the munich security conference that huawei is the trojan horse of chinese intelligence. and yet you're not banning it from the bidding process of building your 5 g. network here in germany why well we have some role models like the united kingdom for example or france they all seem to be in a certain few of losing corporations chances with china but i don't want to be ironic look some of the i only know the german word untender the unturned in the

census of 5 g. and we have achieved that our government has to reconsider some of its position and this was achieved last week so also a strong position of a lot of power that the leading telecom provider in your country they are already in talks with huawei to provide 70 percent of radio transmission gear for 5 d. i mean those talks are already happiest attractive platforms was from where way so they are in the charming offensive nevertheless we have to be very careful due to the question of digitalisation and who will have to deal with those challenges lash it melts in your answer one word a german citizen. that was 3 words opportunity the lead we need. it would be somebody from the c.d.u. i think that would not be somebody from the scene as you but our kids that are too .

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