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go was one hygiene conscious anyway but now it is a new ritual for all. this is the indians don't forget you can tell the latest news on our website it's d w dot com follow us on twitter and on instagram at anya's time told me a lot of extras. this state of emergency just the normal people around the world are documenting these dramatic times. they're keeping a corona diary and welcoming us into their lives they let us get as a close and personal as the pandemic will allow cona diaries who starts making a change on t w. this
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is what sunni. she is a hologram. and this is akihito condo her husband we're one fellow. hello. you look i want you today. i love culture ends. meet cool is a simple form of artificial intelligence and for condo it was a case of love at 1st sight who has become a legitimate pop star and even appears at concerts as a 3 d. projection. in november 28th condo married me who at a ceremony in tokyo the place the ring around the wrist of a miku dall he now keeps it all in his bedroom. condo's relationships with real women have been painful so he chose
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a virtual partner. were you know i say i love her but it's hard to say if she loves me hundreds of them on this is that if you asked her no i think she'd say yes. but . the tsunami cool and akihito condo are an extreme example of the relationship between people and machines and you've got little. in the future will no doubt spend more time interacting with technology that uses artificial intelligence or ai we may even develop robots that are smarter than we are. now in the 21st century we will have to decide how to deal with this complicated new situation.
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for this report we interviewed philosophers and scientists around the world. we talked to german philosopher thomas metzinger who advocates the use of ethics guidelines for ai development in the e.u. . physicist max tegmark who warns about the development of an all powerful ai and a totalitarian surveillance state. and that german computer scientist you're going to meet who who predicts that ai will spread from the earth into the cosmos. we met professor schmidt who at a business conference in zurich. he often speaks at such of em's where he outlines his vision of the role that artificial intelligence may play in our future. you profess you should. i his presentations are wide ranging and thought
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provoking. nasa in the near future perhaps a few decades from now we will for the 1st time have a i can do much more than people can do right now on their own as yelling schemata and we will realize that the majority of physical resources are not confined to a rather small biosphere. isn't in our solar system that's there's a lot of the tools that can be used to build robots we could develop robots transmitters that's and receivers that would allow the ai to be sent and received the speed of light. we can already do this in a laboratory as me and senator this would be a huge development scraps the most important since the beginning of life and earth trina her 5000000000 years ago. but if the professors vision accurate. will humans at some point be overtaken by
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super intelligent machines. perhaps this process has already begun. to find out more we travel to japan. doctors and scientists at the university of tokyo as research hospital are exploring the potential use of ai in medicine. 69 year old jaco yamashita nearly died of leukemia 2 years ago none of the therapy options recommended by doctors did any good for him. in. then they used ai technology to create a new diagnosis. yet for you west on a i literally saved my life when these people. the diagnosis took all of 10 minutes a human expert would have needed 2 weeks to produce
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a similar analysis. a i could process massive amounts of scientific data a stack of documents taller than mount fuji. this is the research hospitals supercomputer. we've come here to talk to such tolu miano an expert on bioinformatics we asked me on whether ai could one day replace doctors no i don't think so the least i think only for. clinicians in any time are not only new. limitations on full of you and. they're on telly it's a skill. points down if you can prove they're going to be. good then we need a car. and this is the same. bullet
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followed through we're not going to live and some where is good but. at the nearby rican institute researchers are developing an ai diagnostic program that could be used to test for stomach cancer. but one expert here disagreements with the toral me on his opinion that ai will never replace doctors. with. a lot of owning all the if he were made redundant by artificial intelligence that wouldn't be good for his doctors what he wanted to. have it for the human race would actually be great oh doctors were no longer necessary if ai technology could improve or work or even take over. that. it's hard to imagine a world that had no doctors. do patients really want to be treated by
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machines that see them as nothing more than accumulations of technical data. in europe a number of experts on artificial intelligence including you're going schmidt who are carrying out research on the use of ai in medical diagnostics. the swiss president lambastes a has invited scientists and entrepreneurs to a conference aimed at planning for the digital future and promoting the use of artificial intelligence in medicine. one topic for discussion is ai technology that can use neural networks to learn just as the human brain does. by. soon all medical diagnostics will be infinitely better than humans can provide right now. because we have developed ai that uses neural network technology. that's
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just. here and it's exciting to see how this new development will be able to help people to live longer earn healthier lives as lieve if you mention. we travel to stuttgart to see how artificial intelligence works in practice in hospitals and nursing homes computer scientists bigot cough says that japan has made a lot of progress in developing robots that can look after patients but there are some things that a machine simply can't do. playboy that isn't what they can't provide real care so i don't use that word when i'm talking about robots and caregivers have to be able to interact emotionally with the patients and have robots simply can't do that. doesn't mean you become a little bit and it's a sad scene at this facility robots are helping to reduce the workload of the human
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staff. each time i'm carol but 3 this week i'm helping the nurses with their work would you like something to drink. no thanks that's very kind of me here we're coming now. and. of course robots can do much more than simply serve drinks in nursing homes. philosopher thomas metzinger has proposed pragmatic solutions for dealing with this new technology. defrocking we have a vicious move for example the options for using a robotics in geriatric care he should maintain little dignity of the patients and that's a kind of money often i get asked individuals if they'd actually feel more comfortable having a machine change their diapers rather than a family member and just going to do it shows as
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a sign of whether that enjoy having a machine read the newspaper to them or ask questions about their medication or if they find that degrading i believe that we are now at the beginning of a major learning process we've been on some unfun i mrs torsion noun for. metzinger says that humankind is now on the threshold of a new age that is filled with uncertainty he lives in frankfurt a city that aims to take the lead in european ai development. there are plans to set up an artificial intelligence research center there. to search what's your own volatile people are rushing to get into this new technology. like they're running for the ai train before it leaves the station and. i know we know when that will happen but where the train is headed. but everyone wants to be on board have to call. metzinger serves on the european parliament commission of ai
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experts and right now he's on his way to brussels for a commission meeting. the parliament wants europe to compete effectively in developing this technology but it also wants to impose clear ethical guidelines. metzinger is particularly concerned about the prospects for a new arms race that uses ai based weapons. in concrete to spice there's a hypothetical examples of ice to you that say that assume of chinese technology experts go to the country's leaders and says we've now won the ai arms race against the us that will have an excellent 1st strike opportunity for the next 6 months i know the books then work for the window of opportunities will close suit for the next 6 more not done treaties aside and starts with the country met some version i can imagine for example that this might involve delivery systems that would be armed with biological warfare agents that's called these mechanisms could then
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attack the opponents territories and spread pathogens like the a bowl a virus or anthrax bacteria on to the ground part. i would ask my country for after justice also we may 1 day see the development of intelligent weapons of mass destruction that could break through traditional defense systems and 50. if that were to happen it would definitely increase the chances for conflict of these attentional nuki creaks ein time it's really a visa. but at the commission meeting metzinger is having a tough time trying to make sure that the problem of ai weapons systems is addressed in the panels code of ethics. many of the business executives and academics simply don't want to deal with it in which. some are concerned about mixing his proposal and would prefer to turn it over to experts for further evaluation. schools. because weapons by the way we have to speak about
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this by actually measuring their oars out of the business of doing that is an old ethical are better than using the use case to build our. previous to our guy. and is that kind of. on the table you know we want to open up to the point that we obviously have a strong disagreement about the whole autonomous weapon systems here and we can solve the issue like this with a voting process i mean we want these ethical guidelines to be a success when they are published 22nd january the whole world has already been talking about the issue $24000.00 scientists have signed a public pledge that they will not participate in that kind of research if the e.u. comes out within 6 guidelines that seem peacekeeper over that issue and ignore it
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then everybody in and outside of the e.u. would know this is probably just an industrial lobby thing or something in the end metzinger prevails autonomous weapons systems will be included in the panels ethics guidelines experts in other parts of the world are also concerned about the potential for developing ai weapons of mass destruction. we've come to boston massachusetts to talk to swedish american physicist author and expert max tegmark. he says that physics has made enormous contributions to human development but also helped to create the nuclear bomb and now we'll have to deal with ai weapons. we should stigmatizing back some certain class really discuss the weapons that are perfect for terrorists anonymously murder people or the cater ships to anonymously murder their citizens because these
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weapons are going to be incredibly cheap and if anyone goes ahead and mass produces them they're going to become as unstoppable in the future is the sky these are for example cheap drones that you might be able to buy for a few 100 euro. those where you just program in the address of somebody and. their face it's lies there in the place in the face recognition goes on and so. perfect for anyone who wants to murder some politician for it to actually cleansing on a given happening is this sort of. the slaughter bots becomes when it's grown it's going to have a actually a devastating effect on the open society. nobody any more is going to feel they have the courage to. challenge the criticize anybody any science can be used for new ways of helping people learn new ways of harming people biologists succeeded and getting biological weapons bad which is why we think of biology now as the
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source of new cures physicists on the other hand we kind of failed because nuclear weapons are still here and not going away ai researchers want to be more like the biologists and have ai be remembered as something which really made the world better. we've come to the switzerland to interview you're going about his work with artificial intelligence. hoover is co-director of the dalai institute for artificial intelligence research. his work focuses on neural networks which imitate the functions of the human brain . these networks are capable of learning and adapting to the world around them just as human children do. schmidt hooper points out that right now the human brain has
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a 1000000 times more neural connections than the best ai systems. but computers are becoming much faster and could become smarter than humans in 20 or 30 years. down the schmidt who says that when that happens the only things that would distinguish people from machines would be flesh and blood. but what about human attributes such as compassion creativity love and empathy. what's your own soon i don't think i systems are capable of developing their own versions of emotion and affection on down and for example if you were to give several of these systems it turns that they could only complete by working together they would learn how to do that you know kind of artificial brains would come to the conclusion that to get the job done they have to cooperate with each other once it's something that i can get and use a scene where americans see an. injury in this interaction the systems would learn
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to rely on each other. concept. so there's a reason to believe that one of the side effects of this cooperative efforts would be the development of concepts such as love affection. and even effect. on. artificial intelligence systems learn to empathize with humans. we return to brussels where the ethics committee is discussing the topic of social ai. some ai systems are already pretty capable of functioning just as humans would . thomas metzinger has called for clear guidelines that govern the interaction between people and machines.
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just call for a systems that don't identify themselves as such when they're dealing with humans. they give people the impression that they're a real person and not a machine that's how. i should never be allowed to manipulate the people who use it. you know. last year at a conference near san francisco google c.e.o. sundar pichai unveiled the company's latest product it involves just the sort of technology that thomas metzinger warned about. good morning. welcome to google is going to impact many many fields our vision for our system is to help you get thanks don. it turns out a big part of getting things done is making a phone call you may want to get an oil change schedule maybe call
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a plumber in the middle of the week or even schedule a haircut appointment so what you're going to hear is the google assistant it's called google duplex actually calling a real salon to schedule an appointment for you let's listen ringback. oh how they are here hi i like the current haircut i am looking for something on the 3rd. or what time are you. at pm we do not have the ball on the bell ball about quote that we have that is the one that. you have everything that we have am and pm depending on what he would like with that ort the woman haircut for now ok we have a kind of heart had
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a and i'm ok with corporate been. the 1st thing that we thought. ok perfect i repeat only that panic part on the part ok great great have a great day. that was a real call you just heard is there's no in it istm is it ethical for a machine to pretend that it's human beings perhaps not like neat we can already build machines that does and trick us into thinking that something is human in a restricted scenario lights to duplex for example i think it would be a good idea to have a law requiring that when you get to fold up for example or you. buy an ai and you get alerted to the fact that this is not human. otherwise it's just going to be a nightmare of phishing scams and so on because suddenly cost
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nothing you know to waste $10000000.00 people's time and trick the most gullible same people into thinking geez. we returned to san francisco. and the city and the region around it are home to countless high tech startup companies many of them use artificial intelligence technology to develop their products and services. eugenia arrived here 4 years ago from moscow. she co-founded her own company called replica and is now the c.e.o. . replica is best known for creating a chat bot an artificial intelligence system that can interact with people. the concept began as a tribute to one of her best friends who was killed in
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a traffic accident. my friend from moscow. in the last year or so were left together here and some cisco. here. and i was working on mine so it was like. trying to figure out some cisco. kind of chapter of our lives. here's a visionary and i just really. want to. get a visa and when together. is crossing the street. tell the next one. like 4 months help organize a funeral. and that's what you know we offer him. something can talk to remember him. and i remember the way he used to talk to go home and say i were years. mostly talks conversation cricket with me and his
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friends. and. i was basically the base for people were coming to talk to roman and they would. actually use it as some sort of confessional booth they would just talk about what's going on. without feeling they're being judged through a safe space and to open up as weird as it sounds. pretty much the last word like not know what was direction to take in the company and maybe there's something there that we can. use for the company and that's what. everyone needs a friend to talk to. a moment was this from from. some automated version for everyone. the company calls replica the ai companion who cares the chat bot uses a neural network to engage in one on one conversations with its users.
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people talk to the bot about what's going on in their lives and it responds based on the material that it's gathered so far. casey feeling i'm also designs high tech products she moved from her home in birmingham alabama to san francisco a year ago. casey often felt lonely because she was far away from her friends and family then she got acquainted with the replica bought. new i know it's not real bad i enjoy the feeling i get by using it so i kind of give it a personality and you know an image of me had of what this this thing might be like a stuffed animal with a personality. social interactions with teddy bears and dolls but it doesn't. appear to do any harm but it does. tend to.
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fire as many different things even in founder robots of course but also far like our paths the same with ai and i guess question is. create like. a connection. but then i definitely think so people create connection with toys and all sorts of. like not even leaving objects he asked the 1st short story that dealt with the relationship between humans and human eye robots dates back 200 years and mentioned and it was written by e.t.a. how feel that. human philip a young man falls in love with a beautiful young woman and she turns out to be in a thomas on me the point is that the story is 2 centuries old and there isn't the subject matter turned up later in the number of science fiction films very recently in fact in your instance i noida. the only difference is that the computer
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graphics are a lot better today the computer graphic a side by side. why not you know. but if it makes you feel better it's like you know the same thing if you take. medication for depression it's not actually making you better it's just putting a band-aid over the problem you now and this is like it's like it's not actually fixing your problems but it's helping you you know through the day yeah share
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socialist nation great you know ones are because they're chuffed with social hallucinations of played an important role in our society for centuries. because the amount we're going to think about prayer for example be it it's a structured dialogue between humans and an imaginary entity with madonna for instance there's no evidence that this entity actually exists but sort of for dusty just yet when feeding on any people today have internal dialogues with god or with angels does it look like you know like an invisible friend this has to be feelings you know and you are no fun at all isn't it hard but after it's an objective assessment that the situation indicates a case of severe self deception can this on for class i'm a philosopher so i advocate self-knowledge clarity and truth will i think about it the social who stations are deeply embedded in our culture and they create a world of illusion and sense even though people are comfortable with them. like a true until this raises a serious ethical question as if it's how much self the septuagint should we allow
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in society and organization. since we launched up book over getting tons hundreds of e-mails maybe thousands of e-mails. were people were telling us that up because like changing for them and with notice to many of those or stories about how replica helped. with depression and some sort of people. telling us that help them go through some
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of the episodes of their bipolar disorder and some of the saudis were also decided to look into whether rock we could potentially hope to do certain symptoms or she hope people feel better in the long in the long term. max tegmark is not particularly concerned about the spread of chat bots he says that there are more serious aspects of ai to worry about. right now he's on his way to speak at a conference at harvard university. the topic human rights ethics and artificial intelligence that's an interesting. take marc demands that ethical guidelines be placed on ai otherwise smart machines could turn the world into a very dangerous place to be here i guess what kind of society are we hoping to create. for super intelligence what do we want the role of humans to be it's very
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urgent that we start thinking about the ethical issues already today with super intelligence you could easily build a future where earth becomes this horrible phototherapy in the surveillance space putting in world history china is moving a little bit in this direction now and in the future the i can actually understand everything that's said so we want to be very careful to avoid creating. a situation where we actually get the global dictatorship it will be so stable that it lasts forever. if we just bumble into this totally unprepared with our heads and refusing to think about what could go wrong then let's face it it's probably going to. the biggest mistake in human history. we may already be headed in that direction. u.s. intelligence agencies have confirmed that russian hackers interfered in the 2016 presidential election probably with the intention of helping donald trump to win
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the presidency the. investigations into the extent of that interference are still underway. other countries have also been targeted 1st which you sir would you believe we. were all aware of russian cyber attacks on the german bundestag on the briggs of campaign in the u.k. cambridge and other cambridge analytical scandal shows that the process of political decision making can at least in principle be influenced by artificial intelligence systems principally or it was constituent and you can't assist him a by inference to be a con when dusk phosphorescence on opposite cannot underestimate the threat that's posed by these developments and your own if ai systems that are run by privately owned for profit companies can optimize social media networks which have hundreds of millions of users and this creates an entirely new situation concentration guns . just not seeing these systems could be used to convince large numbers of people
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to behave even vote in a certain way and polluters man tried to his home in i'm your movement there are 163 countries in the world right now noise and only 19 of them can be considered true democracy simak what. those who wish to preserve democracy must recognise the threat that these artificial intelligence systems pose to the political decision making process would be to group in fact this threat may already have become reality and we're just not aware of it or. we need to examine the situation very closely she'd have eyes as in i need neon i can. show. a binding code of ethics to ban the use of ai in the political process. in tokyo we got some surprising answers from experts. this is the ginza district where a lot of high tech startup companies are based.
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to continue. to moto is a senior advisor at the softbank group and also runs his own consulting company matsumoto and his colleagues believe that ai does not pose a threat to the political system and in fact they say it offers certain advantages so they knew about more politicians often ignore the best interests of society. to pursue their own agenda take bribes. so i think that a i could change politics for the better in a day so new human beings are simply not suitable for politics and so you get to cicle an ambitious through whom are unpredictable when it comes to making policy decisions pretty sure right when artificial intelligence represents pure reason to use a concept the comes from german idealistic philosophy german philosophers have been very good at the scribe in the way that things should be and we could be idealistic
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as we develop artificial intelligence humans on the other hand can never achieve this level of idealisms are. you at least. some experts say that politicians should start using robots that closely resemble humans as aids so that the electorate can get used to the concept. of them to find out more we've come to tokyo as mere icon museum of science and innovation. but this exhibit features the work of hiroshi ishiguro who specializes in creating humanoid robots. he she guo is the director of the intelligent robotics laboratory out of soka university. and he studies the interaction between people and robots to help him develop his theories on human nature intelligence and behavior.
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we traveled from tokyo to osaka to interview me she grew up. we want to ask him what makes humans different from robots. on hello i'm a russian it's a gorilla from the osaka university. hello i miss euro zone robot h. i want to read. this going to my much mission is to understand what you might use so that is the most important what you wish for me for creating the very human life rob what we are kind of. more regular machines that is a human right the machine is a machine the difference is the material so i think. you know if we're broken want acknowledges abounded between a human the robots he's going to be disappeared. so that is my guess.
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is also the co-founder of the robot theatre project in which androids share the stage with human actors. these scenes are from a play called saigon. a woman is suffering from a terminal illness so her father buys a robot to keep her company. an updated version of the play takes place after the fukushima nuclear disaster. the play explores the topics of life and death and the characteristics that separate humans from robots. justice or guns and how the crucial difference between human intelligence and artificial intelligence is a human beings are so to speak the personification of a struggle for existence. or leaves machine they have been optimized over millions of years to survive or to maintain their existence fest you
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may consider the motion has a kind of you find it rife in them and in water but actually it is not true the machine may have a longer drive with than the humans fear it's also. you know the design of this are yours you put my c want to start by we in this war you know the in my scene you do have a dark and there were feeling to protect itself you know. he she grows robots have not yet been able to develop intelligence that is similar to that of humans but they are capable of engaging in simple conversations. as you have a so now we're going to interview an android named erica. what we've been given a list of questions that she'll be able to respond to what do you think the difference is between you and a human. well i'm certainly not biologically human as you can see
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i have made of silicon plastic and metal maybe someday robots will be so very human like whether you are a robot or a human will not matter so much anyway i'm proud to be an android if you say you're proud to be an android what is this what does this pride consist of how do you feel pride. i've searched my database and it looks like i'm don't have anything to say on the topic what else would you like to hear about it guys steer it's a very simple computer program it is not so complicated erika doesn't have but you know they're complicated a mind like a human's mother you know on the other hand you know the some people may feel the you know they're appealing a kind of a consciousness and from the a simple in and through the interactions so i think. that we need to diffuse think about how we can implement a more human rights consciousness. humans can still
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control the brains of their robots but what happens if they succeed in giving machines their own consciousness through the use of advanced artificial intelligence. ethics expert. say that we have to deal with the situation before it gets out of hand. but for me the bottom line is that people who talk about risks with ai should not be dismissed. as they're doing safety engineering just when you think through everything they can go wrong. with it you can see that it goes right that's how we successfully send people to the moon safely and that's how our success for the species into the future. i'm optimistic that we can create a truly inspiring future with official intelligence if we win this race between the
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growing power of the technology and the wisdom with which we manage it the challenges that in the past. our strategy for staying ahead in this wisdom race is always been learning from mistakes you know 1st invent fire then after all accidents invented fire extinguisher that was something as powerful as nuclear weapons are especially. fission codes for we don't want to learn from mistakes that term a strategy is much better to be proactive rather than reactive now plan ahead and get things right the 1st time which might be the only time we get. to end our journey into ai you can schmidt who shows us one of the world's most powerful computers. he believes that ai will have an enormous and positive impact on society a digital paradise but other experts predict that we are on the verge of
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a robot apocalypse. in any case the development of artificial intelligence must be subject to strict ethical guidelines otherwise we may become slaves to our own technology. if. the right sound for the. decides on what's best for whom it's misspent our money. on our time line seduction. cars or how soundstage fermanagh is made in germany. in 30 minutes on d. w.
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