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this is what suny me cool she is a hologram. and this is akihito condo her husband. on you know. hello. you look how are you today. i love culture ends. meet cool is a simple form of artificial intelligence and for condo it was a case of love at 1st sight nico has become a legitimate pop star and even appears at concerts as a 3 d. projection. in november 28th condo married me coo at a ceremony in tokyo to place the ring around the wrist of a miku dog. he now keeps it all in his bedroom. condo's relationships with real women have been painful so he chose
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a virtual partner. were you know i still love her but it's hard to say if she loves me photos of them with still if you asked her i think she'd say yes. to new me cool and akihito condo are an extreme example of the relationship between people and machines i got. in the future will no doubt spend more time interacting with technology that uses artificial intelligence or ai we may even develop robots that are smarter than we are. now in the 21st century we will have to decide how to deal with this complicated new situation.
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and. for this report we interviewed philosophers and scientists around the world. we talked to german philosopher thomas metzinger who advocates the use of ethics guidelines for ai development in the e.u. . physicist max tegmark who warns about the development of an all powerful ai and a totalitarian surveillance state. and german computer scientist you're going to schmidt who who predicts that ai will spread from the earth into the cosmos. we met professor schmidt who at a business conference in zurich he often speaks at such of ends where he outlines his vision of the. all that artificial intelligence may play in our future. you bought it you should. his presentations are wide ranging and thought
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provoking. not to get in the near future perhaps a few decades from now we will for the 1st time have a i can do much more than people can do right now on their own as yelling schematic and we will realize that the majority of physical resources are not confined to a rather small biosphere isn't in our solar system there is a lot of material that can be used to build robots we could develop robots transmitters and receivers that would allow the ai to be sent and received the speed of light. we can already do this in a laboratory and on sentence of this would be a huge development traps the most important since the beginning of life in earth trina her 5000000000 years ago. but if the professor is vision accurate. wilke humans at some point be overtaken by
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super intelligent machines. perhaps this process has already begun. to find out more we travel to japan. doctors and scientists at the university of tokyo as research hospital are exploring the potential use of ai in medicine. 69 year old jaco yamashita nearly died of leukemia 2 years ago none of the therapy options recommended by doctors did any good. in putting then they used ai technology to create a new diagnosis. yet for you was the only way i literally saved my life when you get all. the diagnosis took all of 10 minutes
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a human expert would have needed 2 weeks to produce a similar analysis. a i could process massive amounts of scientific data a stack of documents taller than mount fuji. this is the research hospitals supercomputer. we've come here to talk to such olu miano an expert on bioinformatics we asked me on whether ai could one day replace doctors no i don't think so. simply some more. clinicians and any power not only needs to. be limitations on full view and i was not. there i'm told in philly it's a skill. points down if you can prove they're going to be. good then we need a car. and this is the same. bullet
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followed through we're not turning really and some ways but. at the nearby rican institute researchers are developing an ai diagnostic program that could be used to test for stomach cancer. but one expert here disagrees with that toral me on his opinion that ai will never replace doctors. so i don't know a lot about it nor support although if you were made redundant by artificial intelligence that wouldn't be good for his doctors what it should have but for the human race would actually be great doctors were no longer necessary if ai technology could improve or work or even take over. that. it's hard to imagine a world that had no doctors. do patients really want to be treated by
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machines that see them as nothing more than accumulations of technical data. in europe a number of experts on artificial intelligence including you're going schmidt who are carrying out research on the use of ai in medical diagnostics. the swiss president lambastes a has invited scientists and entrepreneurs to a conference and aimed at planning for the digital future and promoting the use of artificial intelligence in medicine. one topic for discussion is ai technology that can use neural networks to learn just as the human brain does. by. soon all medical diagnostics will be infinitely better than humans can provide right now. because we have developed ai that uses neural network technology one
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that's just. here and it's exciting to see how this new development will be able to help people to live longer earned healthier lives as leaves you mention. we travel to stuttgart to see how artificial intelligence works in practice in hospitals and nursing homes computer scientists bigot coffee says that japan has made a lot of progress in developing robots that can look after patients but there are some things that a machine simply can't do. play given by those involved they can't provide real care so i don't use that word when i'm talking about robots and caregivers have to be able to interact emotionally with the patients and a robot simply can't do that. doesn't thing it become a little bit on the scene at this facility robots are helping to reduce the workload of the human staff. each time i'm carol but 3
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this week i'm helping the nurses with their work would you like something to drink and no thanks that's very kind of a young man here coming. and you know. of course robots can do much more than simply serve drinks in nursing homes. philosopher thomas metzinger has proposed pragmatic solutions for dealing with this new technology. and the frog available for example the options for using robotics in geriatric care should maintain little dignity of the patients. a country money often i could ask individuals if they'd actually feel more comfortable having a machine change their diapers rather than a family member and just want to do it shows no sign of whether that enjoy having
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a machine read the newspaper to them or ask questions about their medication or if they find that degrading i believe that we are now at the beginning of a major learning process. i'm from and this is torsion down for comes. metzinger says that humankind is now on the threshold of a new age that is filled with uncertainty he lives in frankfurt a city that aims to take the lead in european ai development. there are plans to set up an artificial intelligence research center there. is a thought your own volatile people are rushing to get into this new technology. like they're running for the ai train before it leaves the station youths who are no know when that will happen that's where the train is headed. but everyone wants to be on board have to call. metzinger serves on a european parliament commission of ai experts and right now he's on his way to
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brussels for a commission meeting. the parliament wants europe to compete effectively end of elevating this technology but it also wants to impose clear ethical guidelines. metzinger is particularly concerned about the prospects for a new arms race that uses ai based weapons. in concrete to spice here's a hypothetical example. let's say that assume of chinese technology experts go to the country's leaders and says we've now won you the ai arms race against the us that will have an excellent 1st strike opportunity for the next 6 months i know then work for the window of opportunities will close suit for the next 6 mo not to bank it is tight and start. country that somebody i could imagine for example that this might involve delivery systems that would be armed with biological warfare agents just keep close call these mechanisms to dennet touched the opponents
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territories and spread pathogens like the a bowl a virus or anthrax bacteria on part. wasn't just my country for us this also we may 1 day see the development of intelligent weapons of mass destruction that could break through traditional defense systems. if that were to happen it would definitely increase the chances for conflict these attentional nuki creaks ein time it's really a visa. but at the commission meeting metzinger is having a tough time trying to make sure that the problem of ai weapons systems is addressed in the panels code of ethics. many of the business executives and academics simply don't want to deal with it which. some are concerned about messing us proposal and would prefer to turn it over to experts for further evaluation. was.
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made by actually measuring their orders out of their business or you know he's an old ethical answer that will use it as a use case to build. a concrete base to our guy i would like to take and is that kind of a consensus around the table when we want to open up to the point that we obviously have a strong disagreement about the whole autonomous weapon systems here and we can solve the issue like this with a voting process i mean we want these ethical guidelines to be a success when they are published on 22nd january the whole world has already been talking about the issue 24000 scientists have signed a public pledge that. they will not participate in that kind of research if the e.u. comes out with and thinks guidelines that seem peacekeeper over that issue and ignore
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it then everybody in and outside of see you would know this is probably just an industrial lovely thing or something in the end met singer prevails autonomous weapon systems will be included in the panels ethics guidelines experts in other parts of the world are also concerned about the potential for developing ai weapons of mass destruction. we've come to boston massachusetts to talk to swedish american physicist author and expert max tegmark. he says that physics has made enormous contributions to human development but also helped to create the nuclear bomb and now we'll have to deal with ai weapons. we should stigmatize and ban some certain class of the really discuss the weapons that are perfect for terrorists anonymously murder people or the cater ships to anonymously murder their citizens because these
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weapons are going to be incredibly cheap and if anyone goes ahead and mass produces them they're going to become as unstoppable in the future is the sky these are for example cheap drones that you might be able to buy for a few 100 euros where you just program in the address of somebody and we see their face it's lies there isn't a place in the face recognition kills them self destructs perfect for anyone who wants to murder some politician for the ethnic cleansing on a given ethnic issue this sort of thing the slaughter bots becomes widespread and it's going to have to actually have devastating effect on the open society that we have. nobody anymore is going to feel they have the courage to. challenge the criticize anybody. any science can be used for new ways of helping people or new ways of harming people biologists succeeded in getting biological weapons bad which is why we think of biology now as the source of new cures physicists on the
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other hand we kind of failed because nuclear weapons are still here and not going away ai researchers want to be more like the biologists and have a idea remember it is something which really made the world better. we've come to lugano switzerland to interview you're going about his work with artificial intelligence. hoover is co-director of the doll institute for artificial intelligence research. his work focuses on neural networks which imitate the functions of the human brain. these networks are capable of learning and adapting to the world around them just as human children do. points out that right now the human brain has
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a 1000000 times more neural connections than the best ai systems. but computers are becoming much faster and could become smarter than humans in 20 or 30 years. and. says that when that happens the only things that would distinguish people from machines would be flesh and blood. but what about human attributes such as compassion creativity love and empathy. and what's your known soon i don't think i systems are capable of developing their own versions of emotion and affection on the down and for example if you were to give several of these systems it turns out that they could only complete by working together they would learn how to do that as you know artificial brains would come to the conclusion that to get the job done they have to cooperate with each other or i can get and use a scene where americans see and. ensuring this interaction the systems would learn
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to rely on each other. so there's a reason to believe that one of the side effects of this cooperative efforts would be the development of concepts such as love and affection as an even effect. on. what can artificial intelligence systems learn to empathize with humans. and you know. we return to brussels where the ethics committee is discussing the topic of social ai. some ai systems are already pretty capable of functioning just as humans would . thomas metzinger has called for clear guidelines that govern the interaction between people and machines. and i've just called for
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a systems that don't identify themselves as such when they're dealing with humans as host. they give people the impression that they're a real person and not a machine that's host. should never be allowed to manipulate the people who can use it. you know. last year at a conference near san francisco google c.e.o. sundar pichai unveiled the company's latest product it involves just the sort of technology that thomas metzinger warned about. good morning. and welcome to google is going to impact many many fields our vision for assistance is to help you get things done. it turns out big part of getting things done is making a phone call you may want to get an oil change schedule and be call
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a plumber in the middle of the week or even schedule a haircut appointment so what you're going to hear is the google assistant it's called google duplex actually calling a real salon to schedule an appointment for you let's listen ringback. have. i never cared for her and i'm looking for something i'm a pervert. or are. who or what primary weapon. at pm we do not have the ball on the bell ball about quote that we have that that is the one that. he have a thing that the 10 am and pm depending on what he would like were there that he looking court the woman haircut for now ok we have a kind of car heavy handed i'm ok with corporate bit the 1st thing that we thought
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. ok perfect i repeatedly but 1 o'clock on a very big ok great day great have a great day. that was a real call you just heard is there's no one into this mess that have to go for a machine to pretend that it's human and means perhaps not like nate we can only build machines that does and trick us into thinking that something is human in a restricted scenario lates to duplex for example i see to be a good idea to have a long. requiring that when you get to follow up for example or you. buy an ai you get alerted to the fact that this is not a human. otherwise it's just going to be a nightmare of phishing scams and so on because suddenly
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cost nothing you know to waste 10000000 people's time and trick the most gullible thing people into thinking things. we return to san francisco. the city and the region around it are home to countless high tech startup companies many of them use artificial intelligence technology to develop their products and services. eugenio arrived here 4 years ago from moscow. she co-founded her own company called replica and is now the c.e.o. . replica is best known for creating a chat bot an artificial intelligence system that can interact with people. the concept began as a tribute to one of her best friends who was killed in
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a traffic accident. on. my friend from moscow. last year or so we're left together here in time sisko. and i was working on mine so it was like. trying to figure out some cisco. kind of chapter of our lives. here's a visionary and i just really. want to. get a visa and last one together. was crossing the street i had an accident in a car. like for a mouse helped organize. and that's why you know we go to vote for him something you can talk to remember him and remember the way he used to talk to go home and say i were years. mostly talks conversation cricket with me and his
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friends. 1000 masters overall and. i was basically the base for it people were coming to talk to roman and they would. actually use it as some sort of confessional booth they would just talk about what's going on in their lives without feeling they're being judged through a safe space and to open up as weird as it sounds. pretty much the last word like not know which direction to take in the company and maybe there's something there that we can. use for the company and that's where we got the idea that you know everyone needs a friend to talk to. their own business from from. some automated version for one. of the company calls replica the ai companion who cares the chat bot uses a neural network to engage in one on one conversations with its user.
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people talk to the bought about what's going on in their lives and it responds based on the material that it's gathered so far. casey feeling i'm also designs high tech products she moved from her home in birmingham alabama to san francisco a year ago. casey often felt lonely because she was far away from her friends and family then she got acquainted with the replica bought. me no it's not real buy i enjoy the feeling i get by using it so i kind of give it a personality and you know an image in my head of what this this thing. might be like a stuffed animal with a personality we're all a humble child the hundreds we've all had social interactions with teddy bears and dolls how does appear to do any harm that it does i am grouped where tend to. enter or fire as many different things even founder robots of course but
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also all sorts of far like our paths the same with ai and i guess question is. whether we can create like. a connection with. with an ai i definitely think so people create a connection with toys with all sorts of and then i'm like not even leaving observations he asked because if they're the 1st short story that dealt with the relationship between humans and human i robots dates back 200 years simmons was mentioned and one who even though it was written by e.t.a. how feel not. saleyards look at. your mom and felipe a young man falls in love with a beautiful young woman and she turns out to be in a thomas on. the point is that the story is 2 centuries old. there isn't the subject matter turns up later in a number of science fiction films very recently in fact in youngsters i beat
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a noise in front of the only difference is that the computer graphics are a lot better today the computer graphic a side by side. why not you now but if it makes you feel better thank you now the same thing if you take medication for depression it's not actually making you better it's just putting a band-aid over the problem you now and this is like it's like it's not actually fixing your problems but it's helping you you know through the day yeah socialist
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nation great. tribunes with socialist nations of played an important role in our society for centuries. each bit is the amount we're going to think about prayer for example it's a structured dialogue between humans and an imaginary entity for instance in large there's no evidence that this entity actually exists but that after that it's yet one for feeling or any people today have internal dialogues with god or with angels replied the like an invisible friend this has to be things that you know and you are no fun at all isn't good but after it's an objective assessment that the situation indicates a case of so. dear self the subset of ken is in for a class i'm a philosopher so i advocate self-knowledge clarity and truth. to be social hallucinations are deeply embedded in a cultured and they create a world of illusion and sense even though people are comfortable with them. a lawyer trying to use this raises a serious ethical question as if how much self-deception should we allow in society
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it's like a sage. who . says well i'm struck over getting tons hundreds of e-mails and maybe thousands of emails were people were turning other up i was like changing for them and wouldn't notice that many of those 4 stories about how replica helped. with depression and certain people. turners that helped them go into some of the
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episodes of their bipolar disorder and so it is certain that they're in saudi as well so we decided to look into whether rock we could potentially hope to do certain symptoms or she hoped people feel better know in law in the long term. max tegmark is not particularly concerned about the spread of chat bots he says that there are more serious aspects of ai to worry about. right now he's on his way to speak at a conference at harvard university. the topic human rights ethics and artificial intel. gens. take market demands that ethical guidelines be placed on ai otherwise smart machines could turn the world into a very dangerous place to be here and guess what kind of society away hoping to create. supercharges what do we want the role of humans to be it's very urgent that
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we start thinking about the ethical issues already today with superintelligence you can easily build a future where earth becomes this horrible. carrion surveillance state putting or world to shame china is moving a little bit in this direction now and in the future i can actually understand everything it's said so we want to be very careful to avoid creating. a situation where the actual to the global dictatorship will be so stable that it lasts forever. if we just bumble into this totally unprepared with our heads and. refusing to think about what could go wrong then let's face it it's probably going to be the biggest mistake in human history. we may already be headed in that direction. u.s. intelligence agencies have confirmed that russian hackers interfered in the 2016 presidential election probably with the intention of helping donald trump to win
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the presidency. investigations into the extent of that interference are still underway. other countries have also been targeted 1st for you sir do you believe. we're all aware of russian cyber attacks on the german bundestag on the brags that campaign in the u.k. cambridge on the cambridge analytical scandal showed us that the process of political decision making can at least in principle just be influenced by artificial intelligence systems principally it was constituent tell you can't assist him a pine forest on one desk transposons on opposite cannot underestimate the threat that's posed by these developments. if ai systems that are run by privately owned for profit companies can optimize social media networks which have hundreds of millions of users this creates an entirely new situation concentration. snatching scheme these systems can be used to convince large numbers of people to
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behave even vote in a certain way simply put it this man tried to use home in knowing the harm move meant there are 163 countries in the world right now noise and only 19 of them can be considered a true democracy simak let. those who wish to preserve democracy must recognize the threat that these artificial intelligence systems pose to the political decision making process we don't brooky in fact this threat may already have become reality and which is not aware of it or. we need to examine the situation very closely sheet for. us and i need neon at hand. should a binding code of ethics spam the use of ai in the political process. in tokyo we got some surprising answers from experts. this is the ginza district where a lot of high tech startup companies are based.
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to the new. moto is a senior advisor at the softbank group and also runs his own consulting company matsumoto and his colleagues believe that ai does not pose a threat to the political system in fact they say it offers certain advantages to the new out more politicians often ignore the best interests of society. to pursue their own agenda take bribes you know there it was i think that ai could change politics for the better in a day so new human beings are simply not suitable for politics so egotistical and ambitious. are unpredictable when it comes to making policy decisions political choice when artificial intelligence represents pure reason is a concept the comes from german idealistic philosophy. german philosophers have been very good at describing the way that things should be only could be idealistic
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as we develop artificial intelligence humans on the other hand can never achieve this level of idealisms are. you at least. some experts say that politicians should start using robots that closely resemble humans as aids so that the electorate can get used to the concept of yeah she got in each got your head a little hard to find out more we've come to tokyo's mere icon museum of science and innovation. about this exhibit it features the work of hiroshima ishiguro who specializes in creating humanoid robots. ishiguro is the director of the intelligent robotics laboratory at osaka university. he studies the interaction between people and robots to help him develop his theories on human nature intelligence and behavior. we
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traveled from tokyo to osaka to interview him she grew up. we want to ask him what makes humans different from robots. money hello i'm a russian it's a gorilla from osaka university. hello as well i miss you girls are a robot him one who. was going to mine which vision is to understand what you might use so that is the most important and what you wish him for me for creating the a very human like rob what's we are kind of. more regular machines that is a human right the machine is a machine and their price is the material so i think. you know if we develop want acknowledges a boundary between a human the roberts is going to be disappeared. so that is my guess.
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is also the co-founder of the robot theatre project in which androids share the stage with human actors. these scenes are from a play called saigon. a woman is suffering from a terminal illness so her father buys a robot to keep her company. an updated version of the play picks place after the fukushima nuclear disaster. the blade explores the topics of life and death and the characteristics that separate humans from robots who. doesn't sign guns and has a crucial difference between human intelligence and artificial intelligence. human beings are so to speak the personification of a struggle for existence. leaves machine they have been optimized over millions of years to survive or to maintain their existence fest you
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may consider the motion has a kind of. finite rife in them and in water but actually it is not to the mass he may have been longer and rifles and the humans fear it's also. they are in on the design of our desires you put my c want to start by winning this war you know the the mice in you do have a dark and they were feeding to protect itself you know. he she grows robots have not yet been able to develop intelligence that is similar to that of humans but they are capable of engaging in simple conversations. as you have a so now we're going to interview an android named erica. what we've been given a list of questions that she'll be able to respond to what do you think the difference is between you and a human. well i'm certainly not biologically human as you can see
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i have made of silicon plastic and metal maybe someday robots will be so very human like whether you are a robot or a human will not matter so much anyway i'm proud to be an android if you say you're proud to be an android what is this what does this pride consist of how do you feel pride. i've searched my database and it looks like on didn't have anything to say on the topic what else would you like to hear about. steer it's a bit simpler computer program it is not so complicated erica doesn't have but you know they're complicated a mind like a human's but you know on the other hand you know some people may fear the you know that they are feeling a kind of a consciousness and from the a simple in and through the interactions so i think. that we need to depressing about the how we can implement a more human rights consciousness. humans can still
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control the brains of their robots but what happens if they succeed in giving machines their own consciousness through the use of advanced artificial intelligence. ethics expert. say that we have to deal with the situation before it gets out of hand. but for me the bottom line is that people who talk about risks with ai should not be dismissed as. they're doing safety engineering. when you think through everything they can go wrong. with . that's how we successfully send people to the moon safely and that's our success for the species entering the future. i'm optimistic that we can create a truly inspiring future. if we win this race between the
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technology and the wisdom with which we manage it the challenges that in the past. our strategy for staying ahead in this wisdom ace's always been learning from mistakes you know 1st and then fire then after a lot of accidents and meant to fire extinguisher there was something as powerful as nuclear weapons are especially seen. on fishing villages for what we don't want to learn from mistakes it's a terrible strategy is much better to be proactive rather than reactive now plan ahead and get things right the 1st time which might be the only time we get. to end our journey into ai you can schmidt who shows us one of the world's most powerful computers. he believes that ai will have an enormous and positive impact on society a digital paradise but other experts predict that we are on the verge of
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a robot apocalypse. in any case the development of artificial intelligence must be subject to strict ethical guidelines otherwise we may become slaves to our own technology. in may of 2020 the coronavirus a separated families and friends and old boundaries are we here. but despite all of the fear about health in the future there is still hope and in many places a new feeling of connectedness. in 90 minutes on t w. nor the what do
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they dream of at night. as cleaners they see the face of. their job censoring for the social media industry. in the uk there are thousands of so-called content monitors. a 4 day terrifying images from online platform or some research on for starvation wage the strain is enormous. the cleaners are sworn to secrecy they are not allowed to talk about their work. and no one asks how they are doing. i think i need to stop there sometimes. the cleaners social media shadow industry starts joining us on t.w. .
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