you can watch us at g.w. dot com. when george floyd's neck was pinned down to the street by the knee of a minneapolis policeman 3 other officers stood by and watched they could see bystanders were recording everything and still they did nothing to intervene they now all these charges tonight in america and in europe trust in law enforcement under arrest the men and women in blue have the public seeing red in a world that is anything but color blind i'm burned off in berlin this is the day. it's terror state that stand up the people that are there to protect us. it's been like that and it's like casting it like hashtags that black people dying and we still have to deal with racism and discrimination from people are just getting

tired of it i'm tired of just the way it's being treated. my grandmother and her hometown and my grandfather were both civil rights activists and both my parents are so i understand what you know needs to be done and you know growing up with them and seeing the changes that they but it's crazy. also coming up tonight when the injustices far away serve as a mirror to that which is close to home the echoes of racism in america here in germany. towards george floyd to seth of george floyd an african american has shaken many people here in germany and the around the world it is also shaken the german government this was a horrific and avoidable death and it is defeatist. but to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world welcome we begin the day with the

police the best and the worst the united states in just the past week has shown the world 2 very different faces of war enforcement in minneapolis we saw the cruel and inhumane come alive as a black band met his death at the hands of police and according to statistics provided by the city of minneapolis this ugliest of behavior is not necessarily an anomaly the city's police use force against black people at 7 times the rate of whites and yet this week we have witnessed inspiring and emotional moments between officers and the protesting public police shaking hands hugging and marching with angry citizens and what about those images of policeman taking a knee to show solidarity with the protesters the identity of law enforcement pulled in all directions at the same time officers have been tasked with keeping the peace amid violence and looting in cities under curfews more than 9000 have

been arrested and numerous police officers have been fired for using excessive force. another standoff between police and protest is. 'd both ends of new york's manhattan bridge temporarily blocked by police after the 8 pm curfew kicks in the defiant crowds trapped until the brooklyn side of the bridges reopened water coming out of. the skin. of the roof over time to. join. us and for. others to defy new york's curfew marching through the city to protest at the death of george floyd an african-american at the hands of police most were peaceful but there were reports of violence including by some police officers.

grabbed innocent people for no reason i just cited lady cop an unfortunate sort of ground this do was abuse a journalist and a press does a press pass and a person to the ground. president trump is threaten to deploy the military and has already called up more than $20000.00 national guard troops. it's a move that angered many a clue doing former presidential hopeful elizabeth warren because it's about all these ways rugby is imposing ireland one our moral people are here wanting a little protest and the right even the pope has spoken out condemning racism and violence. we cannot tolerate or turn a blind eye to racism and exclusion in any form and yet claim to defend the sacredness of every human life. and at the heart of all

this a human tragedy the mother of george floyd stuart or on able to hold back her tears and the full low paid. infamy of jurors because they want justice for hill. well justice field because he was. no matter well in about it they should. in this is the group he was the good. those calls for justice ringing out across the united states and beyond. well i want to poland tonight's retired police lieutenant charles p. wilson he is chairman of the national association of black law enforcement officers he spent 45 years in law enforcement he joins me tonight from providence rhode

island incident wilson it's good to have you on to the day you know we're learning tonight just like i'm sure you are that all 4 of these officers involved in the death of george floyd they have now been charged eric chosen the man who needed the neck of george 4 he's now been charged with 2nd degree murder now all of this coming now lame days after the event that has rocked the u.s. what's your reaction tonight but i want to say thank you for inviting me on your. detractors were were do. and upgrade on that i'm. most likely appropriate. how much of an impact that's going to have on what has been taken place nobody is for sure yet. i end it people need to recognize that they

hold is that having upgraded their charges and charging the other 3 officers will help to curtail some of the more violent parts of the protest it had been going on. lieutenant you said the upgrade from the from 3rd degree murder charges to 2nd degree you said it's most likely appropriate do you have any doubts about it no no there was never any doubt. they did action that they took against some mr cloyd was improper. horrendous. if you many. then how many young we can use all all kinds of bad you too stupid to describe it but it was just plain wrong and illegal you're no place in

the long lexicon for that type of activity i want to read from a position paper from your organization. quoting here you know you've condemned police brutality and you've gone on record saying that policing is inherently biased against people of color now that paper that i'm reading from within it is from may of 2008 that's 12 years ago and it could have easily been written today what has happened what's been going on the bus ticket last week it was within the last week and a half. i think the quote is actually down at the institution of policing is inherently biased against people of color and low income and it was designed to be that way. that is the

historical foundation that my counterparts have to understand and accept. only then can we start to move forward with trying to better the services. courts people in the community do you see something positive when you see law enforcement officers now taking a need to show solidarity with the protesters i see it adds as a hopeful haase ability i mean we've. in some respects it may be nothing more than a coup by guy. when people have to recognize.

the 900000 some odd police officers across the country. it's very few of them that. engage in the type of activity that you saw in many outlets. unfortunately those are the ones that the media. puts the highlight off they don't highlight those officers who are actually out there doing a good job. taking care of people in the community in hansing the relationships between police and community. we know that the problem is just goes officers that ministration and managers. have problems getting rid of. but these are people who should never have been on the gaap or. willing to let

me ask you i'm this is you're talking about perceptions i'm sure you've seen the images of those police officers tasering those 2 young african-americans in atlanta this week we understand that 2 officers have been fired in both of those officers were african-american now when i heard this story i expected that those officers would be white what does that tell us was it tell you about our assumptions here when we're talking about police brutality least brutality can exist no matter which side of the fence it is opposition is and always has been we don't care who perpetrate it. cracked white or indifferent. we believe that any officer who perpetrate. ality

or excessive use of force and any officer who simply goes along with it or refuses to call it out. should all receive the same odd. charges just saying. no the due process and yet it's so humid and everything. and it doesn't matter who it is or ask you about what the british association today the national association of law enforcement it condemned the actions of those 4 officers in minneapolis it also highlighted that law enforcement in the u.k. is policing by consent meaning that the people want the cops to be present can you say the same about us policing at the moment.

if you aren't talking idea of right now i have to tell you know i at least not in communities of color. they don't have a lot of trust in law enforcement and that even extends to doe's of us in black law enforcement. while yes we are 4 typically embedded in our communities did the vast majority of the members of our it is asian are working in muni's where they live and grew up in. so that they they know the people there the people know though and they know that they can be trusted to do treat them with respect and dignity. that doesn't always happen let me ask you before we run out of time you know you have seen

almost a half century of law enforcement in the us i mean you've seen so much change you know you started being a police officer i think about the same time i was born so i'm wondering is policing in the us now about the say yes 72 here is policing in the u.s. today where you imagined it would be when you became a police officer back in 1971 is change. you have to look at the way we reach officers are now trained you have to look at the way. they are hired you have to look at the way they are men policies and procedures are a much different now. concepts are much different now and even the patterns of the various chiefs deputy changed in

supervisory personnel a much different than they were in need early 7. all right we're going to have the reparative there were run out of time retired police lieutenant charles wilson chairman of the national association of black law enforcement officers lieutenant it was good talking with you we appreciate your time tonight and we appreciate your wealth of insights and experience thank you thank you inviting me. these simmering anger and frustration over police brutality and racism it's not an american invention the protests in the u.s. have triggered protests and solidarity across the globe in london thousands of protesters gathered today to honor the life of george floyd black lives matter organize the rally to draw attention to what they say is this is discrimination which harms people of color in the u.k.

. speaker's corner in london's hyde park a meeting point for demonstrates has over the years. by. this time they gathered to draw attention to injustices against black people sparked by the death of george floyd in the u.s. . among the protesters style was actor john boy into a prominent voice against racism. those present were also eager to stress that these problems were not limited to america. thank you kids most innocent people because there's been many gun nuts not because i thought i could but it if you gave us a possible i that's. i can't say i did this i thought i did. and i think still great

i think i was just very competent to see the collective grief amongst everyone and their willingness to change the culture situation because for the successful i get to see this is kind of people and antithesis of what this is all about. then the crowd marched through the city stopping at the prime minister's office and residence on downing street. i did not receive an audience from boris johnson although he addressed the matter and parliament. i think what happened in in the united states was appalling it was inexcusable we all saw it on our screens and i perfectly understand people's right to protest what took place a obviously i will say believe the protests should take place in a a lawful and reasonable way. currently the largest gatherings allowed in the u.k. a limited to 6 people because of the coronavirus threat which has been devastating

for the country that rule was not enforced at this rally although the event comes at a time when britain is easing lock down restrictions. well the u.k. is not the only european country coming to terms with racism here in germany protesters have also been album the streets moved to action by the death of george floyd racism in germany it is real and in a moment we'll talk to a veteran german anti-racism campaigner about her experiences but 1st take a listen to what is being said about racism in the country at the highest level today german chancellor angela merkel's spokesman was asked is there systemic racism in germany. kuntz says racism certainly isn't an american problem it's a problem in many societies and i'm sure there's racism in germany too skipped because isha i'm sure that people are disadvantaged if they are for example

a black german or a german whose name doesn't sound german a 3rd site midst of them is simply. this we all know that because thankfully they say so. so every society including ours is called upon to counter that again and again and to work toward a better society in which people are no longer judged by their skin color. by the origin or whatever features they have convince. and that was stephens obvious they're the spokesperson for the german chancellor angela merkel let's bring in now aneta kahaani she's chairperson and co-founder of the i'm a day you and tony a foundation here in berlin that's a grassroots group named after a mozambican man who was murdered in a recent attack in germany 30 years ago it works at a grassroots level to combat racism and that it's good to have you on the program

you are an activist it's good to see you you're an activist you're not a government spokes person so i'm going to ask you the same question that was that was posed today to stephanie i mean is there systemic racism in germany. yes well as there is we have a huge problem with right wing extremism and right wing extremism we have a lot of neo nazis in germany and we have a big problem with institutional racism in all forms of the society in education and housing and jobs in the health system and of course with the police as well so. i think the government should know that because they are very aware of the problem of right wing extremism now right now you know do you say that that it exists and yet it took an event in the united states to move

people here in germany to go on the streets and to protest what do you think is motivating people here are they truly anti-racist or do you think there's a bit of anti-americanism mixed in with this. no i think the people on the streets really anti-racists there are a lot of black people on the streets in germany now and but also their friends our we all are on the streets right now but you are right there's a little moment of anti-americanism when people officials in the administration when they are talking about racism and thinking that this is only a problem of the united states you know there is something like nexus between the united states and racism and they always deny that we have a problem with racism here as well they used the word racism out to magically in

communication with the united states and i think there is a little element of anti-americanism because these people probably also. can be racist as well but they're not on the streets i think the people whiners on the streets right now they want to show their solidarity they want to show the grief and they want to remember to all the victims of right wing violence that we went that we have in germany as well imagine we had more than 200 people killed by neo nazis. in this time since unification so this is a very high number of victims you know back in 9098 you set up this foundation and i was wondering why did you feel it was necessary to set up a foundation against racism and you how were you able to to organize. i tried to find people and friends and we had all the same idea that

especially when we started we started in east germany that was just becoming a part of the entire west german system and east germany they have very very few people of color very few. immigrants are black people and of very high level of racism and so i thought that this can all be only can be stopped by people themselves so we have to encourage people who want to build up a civil society of east germany who want to take care wanted to know. bring their protests on the street when there are cases of right wing extremism or racism and so we started to to find people and to give them some money some support and so hyundai ssion grow and now we are quite big organization

dealing with hate speech and anti-semitism and racism and all of this terrible stuff that the society modern society has and. we're trying to find that money from donors and that's not so easy because this is not really issue that people like to give money for them it's really our best let me ask you about that and i mean since like to 98 when you were you sort of this foundation and you're comparing then to where we are now in 2020 of me what kind of changes we got about a minute left what kind of chair you seem positive change. yeah so i you know when when that. last year in the last. 12 months we had

a lot of terror attacks and murder cases of people so we had the ad tag on the synagogue and house and we had an attack and had no way. guy killed 10 people we had a murder case. that was. an official representative of the of a region was killed and so this was a very high this was a big shock for the administration and i have to interrupt unfortunately we're out of time and the but we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us tonight and then to go honey with the i'm a day or antonio foundation thank you and that i am i. well there has always done the conversation that continues online join us on twitter either at u.w. news you can follow me of britpop t.v. and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then everybody.

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