explains today in his hometown of houston texas 2 weeks ago floyd an african-american died under the need of a white police officer america and much of the world have been protesting against racism and police brutality ever since now polls suggest this could cost donald trump the november election it's already changing our notion of law enforcement and what about race will this moment forever change health skin color colors how we see each other go off in berlin this is the day. to please not only against black people we have to please for our safety. i'm here today i'm to call for the funding of all of the arguments across the country that had this interview or i can't remember the blacks but we are here to watch

game martin and hear can get our streets full these are not the right response for a myriad of issues mental health crises domestic violence calls. also coming up tonight accused of crimes they didn't commit to put on trial as the world would never see they did special investigation into china is a sham justice for its we are minority injured how many friends on the tour your money says 21st that they can interrogate you at any time even at night when you're asleep the women i was with ended up that because they had want to head stuff. all the trouble to broad there wasn't a single criminal among. our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world welcome we begin the day with the word. to saying goodbye to george floyd the world george florian's death has

already changed mourners are gathering in houston texas for the final public memorial service for the black man who died in police custody 2 weeks ago the end of floyd's wife sparked protests against racism and police brutality from minneapolis to sydney to london here in berlin last saturday the crowds gathered despite social distancing rules totaling some 15000 and the public those protesting and those not they have been listening in apparently some changing their minds a new poll released monday in the us shows joe biden with a double digit lead over president trump in his bid to win the white house in november trump's threat to the ploy the u.s. military to quell unrest in u.s. cities is cited as the key reason why the president's approval ratings have plummeted and that lawmakers they appear to be listening france has announced that

police there will no longer use chokeholds when taking a person into custody in the u.s. congressional democrats have introduced the justice in policing act which aims to stop the use of excessive force in law enforcement in minneapolis the city where george ford was killed the city council yesterday voted to dismantle the police force entirely here is the minneapolis city council president are going to need to do what's necessary to keep everything all member of our community feet to the truth that the minneapolis police are not doing man's. city of relationship to be uplifting police departments to the police thing as we know it absolutely crazy. well my 1st guest tonight is gerald horne professor of history and african-american

studies at the university of texas he is the author of numerous books including white supremacy confronted he joins us from houston texas tonight professor weren't welcome to the day it's good to have you here there has been nonstop protesting in the u.s. since george lord was killed 2 weeks ago and this force it appears to be international you know as i said we had 15000 people here in berlin on saturday demonstrating against racism let me ask you as a historian to look into the future do you sense a turning point here i mean is there a window of opportunity for lasting change. there is a window of opportunity for lasting change but it's premature to say that there is a turning point i would like to see what is the approval rating of mr trump in november for example steadily despite all of his many transgressions and flubs his

approval ratings have hover carefully in the forty's and even today they're still in the forty's he has a heart core of support and that along with voter suppression could still turn the tide for him in november i would however like to underscore what you said with regard to international protests i think that that is a critical in key factor because if you look at the history of white supremacy in the united states one of the reasons why it has been able to be repelled has been international support international support helped to turn the tide against slavery of the 19th century particularly british evolutionism and support from haitian revolutionaries and the fact that in the 1950 s. united states that to appeal to rising nations in africa in the caribbean that had african majorities helped to convince the united states that the better part of wisdom was to retreat from us apart 8 otherwise these nations might turn towards the socialist camp and must go so therefore we must pick carefully close attention

to mr trump's approval ratings and also the level in nature of international solidarity well professor do you think there are 2 narratives here at work the legacy of u.s. slavery and the legacy of european colonialism and i want you to keep that question in mind and i want you to take a listen to what a kenyan rapper said today about the role of white people in his country and across the western world take a listen. actually we have american friends who live here we wanted to be who won them to be accountable especially a white american something that they need to be accountable they need to be inside the data to do what is happening in the world they can't keep up because if you're white and in kenya you're privileged already you don't find poor white people in kenya you know as well because of that they need to be their voice and they need to champion and if you change from here is a chain reaction to the west so professor what does he talking about is he speaking

about a collective white guilt or is it speaking about a collective white responsibility or both. it's more the latter and i think more so what is the legacy is your sort of question suggested the legacy of slavery and colonialism i think we're there in the states face a double whammy on the one hand you still see black people being treated like slaves because after all one of the reasons there are 40000000 of us in north america is because of the legacy of slavery in the slave trade but the other issue is rarely discussed or interrogated that is to say that there is a legacy of national chauvinism in the united states of america because there is this widespread feeling that the overthrow of british rule in 776 was this great leap forward for humanity the problem is that the african population north america by several orders of magnitude did not support the overthrow of british rule and

the enthronement of slave owners like george washington and thomas jefferson and james madison and therefore since that time we've been treated like counter-revolutionaries yet we've been treated like we're not a part of this society but on top of that we're still being treated as a result of the legacy of slavery as if we're criminals in waiting when until we confront those double issues i'm afraid to say that it will be difficult to suggest that the tipping point against a nother replication or duplications of a george floyd murder has not been reached professor should u.s. history should it be and world history should it be talked differently in the u.s. you know we've got like you said the story of the american revolution the founding of the us should that be told with the story of european occupation mass killings of native americans and the construction of a nation in part by slaves and then freed slaves who were treated like and then turned servants. clearly your question needs to be incorporated that is to

say u.s. history needs to be totally revamped and reconfigured but that's going to be a very difficult uphill climb just a few weeks ago if one reporter for the new york times got behind us prize and us journal journalism for suggesting what i did a moment ago that united states was born in part as a revolt against british out alyson ism as she was subjected despite this prize to many bridges bats of attack yeah scurrilous reproaches and all the rest and that leads me to think that it's going to be very difficult to revamp u.s. history which means i'm afraid to say that there may be a long hot summer and won't hot summers ahead professor gerald horne professor of history and african-american studies at the university of texas professor we appreciate your insights tonight let's hope that that long hot summer will be a short one thank you thank you.

investigation what china does not want the world to know about how it's treating its we muslim minority in china is change on province it's estimated that 1000000 we have been detained in so-called re-education camps the remote region in china's far north west is off limits to international journalists muslim leaders who make up most of the region's population they have long ceased repression by chinese authorities including lengthy prison sentences well how are we able to leave or to escape and how do they do it by betraying themselves. team has found that many imprisoned weekers have been forced to admit to a crime that they did not commit and are then sentenced in sham trials without access to due process w. reporters spoke with people he was scape from china's network of repression and. you don't have any freedom of the. 21st that they can interrogate you as any time

even at night when you're asleep the women i was with and at that because they had want to head stuff crazy how much trouble had brought there wasn't a single criminal among us. that's the voice of a woman who spent almost a year inside a reeducation camp in china but keeping her identity a secret in order to protect have family and singe on a remote region in northwest china. she is home to the weakest a predominantly muslim ethnic group. decades of state sponsored discrimination against them has faded into discontent in times of violence including riots and terror attacks. in response china has cracked down and we get a. close knit surveillance system 47 prison. more than a 1000000 people in internment camps across ginger the chinese government claims

the camps were set up to fight extremism and provide leaders with the patient or skills but detainees and documents contradict that narrative rather detainees are targeted based on little more than their culture and religion and are forced to undergo a draconian and often brutal brainwashing program. and now we've on earth even more chilling evidence of china's for oppression of leaders we talked to former detainees who managed to escape china's network of reeducation camps. one day they were handed a list of alleged crimes. but if it was one page of paper we had to choose one item. said wearing a headscarf playing owning a qur'an or phoning or contact him people abroad they threatened you will stay here

until you pick a crime so i signed the paper and put my finger print. a few days after the woman was forced to sign the list official start of calling up people one by one for what amounts to a sham trial oh yes you were you there were no lawyers. there were to read out the judgment and the detainees would have to say i confessed my crimes i promise i won't repeat my wrongdoings. i want to just talk amongst the. lot so that. we analyze satellite imagery in publicly available material such as construction bids intended notices and managed to locate 3 camps where these trials happened in 2018 in 3 different locations across. after the

trials detainees started disappearing some were picked up at night others led away from their classrooms never to return. but it seems that only those who had confessed to religious acts in the child's were picked up this is yet another indication that china's targeting we get culture and religion. the woman and the other detainees we took to manage to escape to neighboring kazakhstan as those with constant president seal family members were eventually allowed to leave china stuff my husband says i've changed sometimes i get very angry for no reason and start screaming join the nights i'm so exhausted all the times i asked. well i'm joined now by ryan thumb he's a historian of islam in china specializing in weaker culture and history at the university of nottingham he joins us tonight from new orleans in the u.s. it's good to have you on the day based on what we have seen in that region of china

would you say that china is trying to eradicate islam on its territory. no i wouldn't say that because islam is allowed in some sort of limited ways even for some weaker is and also for other ethnic groups it's allowed especially the whey group it's allowed on a greater scale it severely restricted i would say though that that china is trying to reengineer dilute and maybe even entirely destroy culture why would do you think that china is conducting these sham trials and forcing detainees to pick a crime that they didn't commit i mean i guess china doesn't have to do any of this the world would never know right. well the world has knows a lot about what's going on. largely because the chinese government put so much of

its documentation online and of course we get people who get out of the camps one way or another as in this case we talk about what happened but there's also a drive from within china to formalize what was somewhat improvised policy for a long time so we you can see legal documents catching up with decisions that the party in the government already made and started implementing often with about a 6 month or one year lag time and we've seen that over the last 2 years after these massive internment camps camps opened up and it's this looks like one further step in creating an illusion or a fig leaf of. systematic miss where where really things there are very you know almost like an air of legitimacy if you will the fact that you and i are talking about this proves that it's not a secret the chinese government it claimed earlier this year that people were

graduating from these reeducation camps and having you know lives happily ever after if you put all that together and then see what the international community is doing would you say that china is getting a free ride when it comes to repressing its weak years. it's getting about as close to a free ride as. as you can imagine i mean there have been there has been some movement finally in terms of other governments trying to push back in practical terms the us awhile ago. blacklisted some companies that were involved in this and has now passed a law which is waiting for the president's approval that would that would call for sanctions on some chinese leaders but for most of the world has responded with very little to nothing of a practical responses right in front of the university of oregon joining us tonight from new orleans ryan we appreciate your insights in your time tonight thank you.

thank you. this computer there are no indications which bases would be affected or which branch whether it's the army air force the marines or whoever marines. but i also think that we do not have the luxury of wasting time only to wait for an official statement for example with regard to the reduction of troops in germany and in. investments were made in the training area which is not only the largest in europe but also the most modern worldwide concert much of the americas giving that's how we have to bring the europeans together and find a common position we're scapegoats are we to me for a big plan a master plan or. i don't know. lots of questions in guessing here in germany are the americans about to pull thousands of troops out of the country and

if so why last week u.s. president trump reportedly instructed the pentagon to bring home almost 10000 of the 34000 troops stationed here in germany the pentagon has not confirmed their report and the german government says it has not received notification ever since he became u.s. president donald trump is criticize germany for not increasing its defense spending today germany's defense minister made it clear the presence of u.s. troops serves u.s. interests and does not constitute the americans doing the germans a favor. this is or not the fact is that the presence of u.s. soldiers in germany serves the overall security of the nato alliance and that's also american security. that is the basis on which we work together incidentally it is also the basis on which many american soldiers have also become a real component of german society are well integrated on the ground and play an

important role there and in this respect for today i believe there is no need to add anything. more now let's take this story to brussels home to nato headquarters as teri schultz joins me now from our brussels bureau terry has spent many years covering nato good evening to you germany says that washington has not announced anything has naidoo received word of any troop reduction plans in germany it's hard to tell brant i asked secretary general stolzenberg about the u.s. plans for withdrawing german troops today at an at an online event he held and this is what he said. we are constantly consulting with united states with old nato allies on the military posture or

presence in in europe european allies and united states we are doing more together now in europe than it done for many many years i think that's a fix to the fact that we are actually to strengthen the military cooperation within nato last. secretary general stoltenberg would not directly address whether he had been informed about about u.s. plans and in fact he held a press phone call with president trump after this event and even after this i asked a nato officials again did they discuss the reported plans to pull troops out of germany and i didn't get a straight answer again simply was told that they discussed the u.s. troop presence in europe as they always do so we really don't know brant frustrating for you and for all of us trying to get answers a troubled ministration official told us that there is no need for a large u.s. presence in germany because nato has increased its defense spending is that true and is native just as strong with a few were u.s.

troops here in germany. we don't really know brant it is true that nato has increased its defense spending or more accurately that the nato allies have increased their spending on their own militaries which is in fact usually referred to as as nato defense spending but they really there really hasn't been a test of whether of nato as need for u.s. troops here on the continent but i think what's what's really missed in this conversation is that it's in the u.s. interest to have the troops stationed in germany those troops are not there simply to protect germany as president trump likes to portray it or even to protect europe in fact it is used as a staging grounds for troops to go on to other parts of the world i mean not even not even europe not even the russian border the u.s. has many uses for its installations in germany and that in fact would be a huge loss and you saw many commentators coming out after this announcement saying

that's a ridiculous decision that's a strategic mistake those are most of the comments i heard from military commentators a mistake for the united states not a threat to europe yeah a colossal mistake we heard in the last 48 hours you know terry there are warriors here in berlin that donald trump would reduce u.s. troop numbers to punish germany for not spending more on defense are those words are they justified based on what you know about u.s. nato times at the moment. well i think it's more about u.s. german ties in fact outside the nato context and i have also read those reports that this is sort of another fit of pique by president trump about germany's low defense spending also rumors that he was angry because chancellor merkel refused to come to a g. 7 summit at this point to do to corona virus worries and that's had to be delayed

so we don't really know and in fact you know many in the administration were not informed of the thinking behind president trump's reported decision to do this and it was just asked at the white house a short time ago today in their briefing and they didn't have anything to say about it either so he has apparently kept this decision if it is made in fact quite quite close and nobody is really sure how it came about but i wouldn't put it past him to to be coming up with this idea to punish chancellor merkel one of his frequent target still begs he is always quick to talk of u.s. commitments to nato are we to believe that after 3 years of the trump presidency america's role in nato is stronger it is true as secretary general stolzenberg likes to point out massaging this message that despite all the trump threats to nato the threats that range from pulling out to simply cutting off funding it is true that the u.s. troop commitment the u.s.

troop presence in europe is greater now than it has been that it even was under president obama but that remains to be seen whether whether that will continue with these threats from president trump and whether it's true that there are more boots on the ground or not what he has done to shake up unity to make the case constantly wonder what he has up his sleeve next i don't know that that makes up for having more u.s. soldiers on the ground here you know that's an important point that we should not forget the results of the story for us in brussels tonight syria as always thank you. the day is almost done the conversation continues online join us on twitter user g w news you can follow me a brit go off t.v. and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you there never got.

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