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self-styled islamic state has been defeated militarily but its propaganda videos are still circulating on the internet. many feature child soldiers undergoing training. coerced into killing and dying for the caliphate. and 2015 schoolchildren in the french city of toulouse spotted a classmate in an eye as propaganda video. it was a mass on march 12th i received a call from the school psychologist. she said we have kids here crying. i quickly

realized the children were in shock because of a video they'd watched. fit of walk. interview. they said yes that's right john in the video. for what years ago most of all maybe they'd recognize their classmate and his stepfather unmistakeably. it don't golf watch and then you see the child taking aim and killing a prisoner yeah and he murders a hostage as you know that. at the time ron was 12 years old but cheerful french schoolboy had turned into a cold blooded killer. and you don't get confused you don't you do not feel that we

could barely believe it but it was true. we were now facing a totally new situation. the children had an endless number of questions. to us about so we couldn't deal with something like this on our own so we called in a team of doctors and psychologists people to get. this awful to look at the subject of his former friends and classmates all had the same basic question as adults how could he possibly do such a thing. in their minds he was a nice boy friendly and kind of. they often had fun together laughing and playing football. some of them asked if he can murder a human being is he intrinsically evil. is he a monster the as he did of the new fall song michaud as it is

a. brown was taken out of school in april 2014 and brought to syria by his parents his stepfather was a friend of the islamist militants mohamed merah he was shot dead by french police after he murdered 7 people including children at a jewish school. french authorities last all trace of the propaganda video is the last time he was seen alive. videos of this kind of designed by islamic state to search in the west by raising the specter of a new generation of merciless functors. recruited and trained by the jihadist group these children say western intelligence agencies pose a serious danger. even after the caliph its defeat in the field tens of thousands of us fighters remain in iraq internment camps. they include some 5000 children and teenagers among them several 100 who came from europe. most

were recruited to the islamic state by their own parents. parts of northern iraq semi autonomous kurdish region were among the longest held i-s. territories this is all that remains of cinderella. the city was once the center of the years edis an ethnic minority targeted by ass and a campaign of ethnic cleansing. kurdish troops recaptured send in the autumn of 2015 today it lies in ruins its outskirts littered with dozens of mass graves. in center alone i was murdered some 10000 years edis thousands of women and girls

were abducted raped and slaved. i was also kidnapped young boys to enlist them as child soldiers. is from sandra she managed to flee when i its fighters captured the city in the summer of 2014 but 71 members of her extended family were tracked by troops of the so-called calif it i'm not able to escape most were never heard from again. a diva travels tirelessly from one refugee camp to another to help where she can and in the hope of finding lost relatives. was very explicit that if into.

the phone all the family were together. but now it's so difficult because this road here a bit further on. people lost each other. and now our phone line far from my family my parents my sibling it's one of us in a different country. while it. well. how are you i missed you so much are you all well. let's go inside. a lot about. how the un does not have. after years of separation idea has managed to track down some of her relatives they were able to escape i was troops after the intervention of kurdish and iraqi forces . bob. how are you are you in good health thank

goodness thank god. that's. all that 2. funny. are you well. one of the divas causeless was recruited by ass and trained as a child soldier. when you sit down with me. i was 13 when he and other children were abducted and transported to iraq or the erstwhile capital of the i ask our fit.

father received the type of minute tree drilling displayed in his propaganda video . that asked have you seen these videos that i asked sense to youngsters gotten manx yes they filmed one of them in our camp it shows boys marching in uniform. they're all wearing hats about 70 or 80 kids in total. and i'll. just do it even. one of the people you know. but you know by now they want to thank. that is me their. senior for not not until that point that's right in front of me. this boy here is a u.c.d. so is this one but him his sister and mother are also with i.a.s.

this one's is 82 he's dead. since. throughout the duration of his captivity father lived in fear of beatings brutal drills and violence after 5 months in the training camp the children were sent by ass to the frontlines to rocka a leper. traumatized the teenager is plagued by not mass and finds it hard to talk about what he went through. them a little says i feel like my life was ruined by all the violence and hardship. can you get that we were torn from one world and placed in another the 1st world was good but the 2nd is very hard so that. our life is not good time passes and it's like we're paralyzed and either you have

to go to jail or to war and leave your mother you have no choice it's no life now. the room is under but i've seen a lot of brutality a lot of bad things it doesn't even scare me if i as fighters behead someone right in front of me. were used to it because we have seen such dreadful things it's not hard to kill a human being you shoot and he's dead a little. fella escaped his eye as captives in december 2016 but his freedom was short lived he was taken into custody by iraqi authorities he feared he could conduct terrorist attacks but i asked. to talk formosa's all 4 who turned children into killing machines to try subjecting them to traumatic experiences that destroyed their moral boundaries. in sierra leone children were

forced to rape their mothers or cut off other children's arms. you know their words to do the unthinkable. when the unthinkable is made possible. it triggers an enormous inner a dish that's easy to bring to the 4. of us you all sort of star yes you are. in flux and once children are psychologically confused it's easy for malevolent adults to groom them into soldiers up on. the day to suggest we call them monsters to protect ourselves unfortunately it has to be said that they're children like our own. except that they're forced to abandon their own moral boundaries as i see it because the schools. taught

so district about enormous sums of the reality are not a new phenomenon many extremist groups and those children for armed combat but i ask this reliance on children to fill its ranks and function as human shields appears to have reached exceptional levels children are cheaper they cost less food you have to pay them a lesser wage i think is that easier mentally to. engage with and to convince. what was shocking for us was the amount of investment putting children in the process of course we 1st organization children never in that such an organized system adequate because what they want is this army essentially soldier. i has used mass rape to breed a new culture of finances terrorizing an entire ethnic group.

was only 14 when like countless u.c.d. women and girls she was abducted and forced into sexual slavery. she was raped over and over again ultimately she was forced to marry and i asked fighter which him why dial out we had to sit on the floor in front of them and the commander said that every soldier should choose a woman so each one of them pointed to one of us and took us away with them and. we had to stay with them for 3 days they killed some of us raped us did unspeakable things to us.

she gets beat and after about 20 days i realized i was pregnant i tried everything to get rid of the child but nothing worked when the boy was born i wanted nothing to do with him but they threatened me if i didn't raise the child they take it away and hand me over to another man. i only agreed to take care of the baby so i wouldn't be given to another man. and i was forced to marry her rapist. she tried to commit suicide. after months of slavery she managed to escape leaving her child behind. today ny is back in school but she is haunted by the past as much as she tries to move on she can't forget her baby. do you think you'll ever see your child again. yes but only when i asked is totally

defeated they view the child is their own and they wouldn't give him to me. i know he is a son of the ins they've done dreadful things to us with still he is my son and of course i think of him but i have no idea where he is and have you tried to find out. guys best i could yes what's his name. and i wanted to give him a z d name but i wasn't allowed to know his name is. do you remember what he looks like yes. sure i can't talk about it anymore it's too hard.

even after the collapse of i as a self-proclaimed caliphate tens of thousands of women are still raising the children of i ask fighters' children conceived to serve the jihad. that's about it historically a lot of aggressive regimes have banked on high birth rates napoleon pursued this strategy so did the nazis if women had to produce a lot of children the same is true of ai yes. but unlike the nazis who were seeking racial purity. yes is pursuing an agenda of ideological and religious purity they'll do that to think they were such images of god the exile the sunday off going to fish and chips and dresses it doesn't matter to them whether it's

a chechen arab or german who is joining the jihad or a smiling blue eyed frenchman from normandy. as long as he it hears to their religious ideology. it's true you know modena to do an article for the judge in your pants. it was written. from the moment they're born these children are raised and indoctrinated with this ideology. it's only known. and they have no choice but to adapt to the social environment. saddam pushes in. it's inevitable every child grows up immersed in the world

view of their parents and protectors you know it's on the experience life as a. good man that that amount clearly. it's a snap to this and that's an awful mysteriously to turn a child into a fanatic because it's forming its 1st memories when synopses are connecting to the brain. and if a child learns to hate it in the name of morality of course it's surprising how fast these connections are hardwired into the brain. you don't just learn from books or in school you learn everything from the people you love them enough to. see. these are the trials but the important point here is that violence is systematic everywhere in these children's lives so it's a very very structured program of education.

islamic states extremist ideology isn't trying to aspects of daily life. even in baby announcements. like a kalashnikov or hand grenades hail the new bones to harvest destiny. and tie coloring books filled with various types of military equipment turning weapons of war into normal everyday objects for children growing up a man i asked for ages. selma and has now left their home in paris in 2014 and were taken by their mother and stepfather and i asked pfizer to rocka they lived for 2 years on their return to france their mother was arrested. the girls aged 5 and 7 now live with their biological father who fought hard for custody in his care the

children a slowly finding their way back to a normal childhood away from war violence and religious fanaticism but 2 years are a long time for young children. their exposure to ayers indoctrination has impacted the way they think and talk. why did the bad man want to kill you in that case girl because they were unbelievers. are very bad evil people they don't pray or read the koran. i guess that'll. do it did you enjoy learning all these things no. but the language of totalitarianism always resorts to the same pattern it starts

with the words infidel unbeliever triggering an automatic process that always ends with death. so the next level introduces the word blasphemy you ridicule and insult my god there is no greater crime i am indignant and outraged. rage is an emotional process that makes it impossible to think rationally it escalates until killing becomes the morally right thing to do. from an early age i asked children are exposed to rigid religious doctrine. in kindergarten they would practice beheadings. so it's actually very sophisticated to give a child a teddy bear or a toy and teach him how to behead it because then eventually what that setting the

precedent for is beheading is ok and it's fun i mean something to do with your friends i used to enjoy it i'll eventually when you reach a certain age the beheading of a person you are asked to behead people. will see. your how do you think. it what they want to. it is a friend as well i mean all this is a bit of it isn't it a little while in kuala. but school for the cups of the caliph it ends at the age of 9 and the curriculum is based soley on the principles of the hot foods the name beyond being home.

simon and just 4 years old when i asked occupy their village in 2014. like many of the children they were abducted to syria and placed in a village near rocca. oh is this man and she had and i asked i am this is their slack. this is guy. is this your school in syria you know and rocca. what did they teach you there the qur'an and other stuff. just as if he english 90 he says he once i was in a schoolyard when they chopped a man's head off. and they took another man tied his hands up and strung him up.

they shot him from the back and then chopped his head off to. his body fell down as she couldn't campuses lashon take him with a. jag madam times they told us if we didn't repeat after them they'd round up everyone close to us so they'd be no one left to take care of us then we'd have to stay home all alone and they'd come and kill us over my little little. result. first the children have to learn who the enemy is. and that the aim is to establish an islamic state that's the core message they firmly believe that they are the good guys their ideology stems directly from god their struggle is divine so all these boys want is to please god and their brothers in arms and make sure that we're going to school. it's easier to condition small children if you tell

a 5 or 6 year old that santa claus is armed with a kalashnikov you'll believe you. rather than take me with you the others on here yet we have to wait. now as the child becomes older what they are taught in the family that what they're doing is good and justified only becomes amplified when they go to schools and people they trust such as teachers and nurses and other schoolchildren are all saying the same idea. the 2 boys were freed by kurdish forces in attack on iran's positions and reunited with their family in iraqi kurdistan. by that time simon and don had forgotten their mother tongue. they were highly aggressive pulling insults and unveiled women on men who smoked. showered with their families love and attention the boys needed months before they

could begin coping with their horrific experiences and return to school and the life and freedom. could a so-called islamic state school is solely a production facility for fanatics many regular teachers went into exile. lina is a teacher threatened by us in syria she fled across the border to the turkish city of gaza on top. leno would have preferred to remain in syria where she secretly instructed her pupils in subjects banned by ass. and i just as i was never afraid something would happen to me until the end we did what we could to oppose these people that found out that i knew they could do dreadful things to me much worse than anything i'd ever heard of any but i made

a very conscious decision to keep on doing what i was doing. that have a. today her syrian people is a refugee just like herself. under islamic state the children were never allowed to learn the subjects lena teaches. and that is you by night they're going to do that you don't want me i know that you know you can't really. keep them going i don't know kathleen ok. and that. was a hard you know. the i asked curriculum abolished subjects like philosophy and social studies it revise history in geography and reduced math to the simple addition of tanks and hand grenades.

teachers who refused to comply were arrested and executed to serve as a warning many of his colleagues are dead or have gone into exile like herself and her brother gus one who is also a teacher says. oh awful. it's terrible education was always a ray of hope for us. i taught middle and high school we had about 200 pupils but i fear a portion of those will have joined ah yes voluntarily by now either out of ignorance or because they're poor and need money or. we had hoped the young generation would build a better country but after i asked his conquests i fear for their future. the federal kids who are weaned on their ideology will find it hard to shake. the children who were little back then are now 15 or 20 and the long term i guess wants

to use them to build sleeper cells. and. so many of the children learn that there is just one truth. they are allowed to decide for themselves what is right because that could give rise to doubt anyone who feels doubt and can make a decision enjoys a degree of freedom these children don't experience that they learn there is just one truth thirdly. and according to i asked this one single truth can only be found in the qur'an. to prevent doubt from arising in these children i ask cuts off all ties to their previous lives. they are not allowed to have a family or home outside of the training camps. for large camps have been known to exist and rocca and soren syria and in mosul and telephone

in iraq. from a young age children are put through rigorous physical training. at the age of 7 they begin their basic training and weapons and military tactics that last several months. don't much needles they're being forced to be vigilant at all times which is highly stressful. they are never allowed to relax spoke to peaceable pussy. at the end of the training there was

a graduation party of sorts but amid growing eye is losses all the children have really become is cheap cannon fodder. the self-proclaimed i it's kind of it began losing ground in iraq in syria after the battle of mosul in late 2016. i. i asked commanders then increasingly began to send children to the front a truly perfidious tactic. with us on the phone if you see a kid with a machine gun before you realize what you're seeing your dad tells us it's a type of terror seeing children in such unimaginable situations

a soldier. on the ground i asked was declared defeated in march 2019. but underground it's still plot terror attacks some with the help of children this propaganda video shows a boy steering a vehicle to overtake a military convoy before he blows himself up. even small children are used for suicide missions as documented here by iraqi soldiers in a school. called it was the issue i want you to. i ask has nothing to lose by using and abusing children if their mission is successful the group achieves its goal but even if it isn't the images of young suicide bombers attract international attention. so they use young children who have committed suicide bombings over have

died in the frontlines of 4 and they were these photos of them and make them into little celebrities so it's like a young child that would worship a football there for example is young kids are worshipping other kids who have killed themselves in war and it seems. that exciting thing that deserves to be rewarded so that's a very sophisticated idea of martyrdom as well. ali was 10 when he received his eye as training like fastens of other boys he was being groomed as a cover of the comfort. them he was freed by opposition fighters and reunited with his family. he now lives in turkey with his mother and sister. his from mohamed didn't make it out alive. that they took his friend with them the next day he blew himself up. his body exploded there was nothing left. it was

ripped into small pieces totally shredded. many joined i s. they had no idea that he made to die as martyrs they told me you can meet my hammock in paradise if you become a martyr and yes chad. what did you reply to i said no i'd like to go to paradise but not through a suicide bombing they asked if i wanted to attack a school. national do you know why as uses young children. it's easier to brainwash them it's like they have a remote control that's how much power they have the kids go wherever they're sent i saw with my own eyes how they strap explosives on to kids and sent them on a mission or made them drive a vehicle with a car bomb this and that's why i didn't like them it was too much for me i don't

trust them anymore and if they come again for me i won't join them. as the family escaped and his father stepped on a landmine. and his younger sister watched him die. another horrific shock for these deeply traumatized children stands with this. if you can you tell me what you're drawing i understand and i ask i joking someone's head off and a person who's been crucified had chopped off head and attacking planes. in time do you dream about stuff like this. and yes i do we all have nightmares.

of. the children who have undergone indoctrination and i as training camps include about 1500 from western european countries. almost 300 from germany a move in 500 from france. intelligence and security experts warn of the threat they pose should they return and of cool for precautionary measures should now we have a 2 fold problem we've got former extremists former terrorists and foreign fighters so we have individuals that are going to fight in countries like iraq and syria who are coming back not just as former terrorists but foreign fighters which makes it even more difficult to deal with. how do you deal with

children who have undergone military training and experienced brutal violence. can they be really integrated into societies that uphold human rights freedom and the rule of law at. the courthouse and bogeymen at paris houses the files of all the children who have returned to france from previously held i asked territories. about 20 come back each year most of them are not yet 12. on their return french authorities immediately arrest the parents and place the children in state camp. as is all for us because we don't ask these children what did you do what did you see or hear we don't ask questions we just observe them they have to learn to

adjust naturally they feel somewhat lost they've been separated from their parents suddenly they're alone it's brutal to see your mom and dad handcuffed and taken away by police. we give them time to process it all then we let them tell us their story. our primary focus is finding the best conditions for their reintegration and protecting them. every child is treated as an individual case and is given a chance even if some politicians or prosecutors called former child soldiers a security risk and described them as ticking time bombs.

maybe some children really are ticking time bombs but if we say they can't be saved then we are in the wrong line of work that would mean there is no point trying to protect children and juvenile delinquents. and i as a prosecutor supposed to say they cannot be saved in my opinion we need to do everything we possibly can to save them and avert the worst case scenario of europe you. agree to these if they are we help them cope with their experiences and put them into perspective and their heads everything is upside down we need to sort through their experiences put them in boxes put the banks's in cupboards and the cupboards into the cellar then they can live in the house and they know the bad things are in the server.

no one knows just how many children and teenagers have returned to europe a survivors of i asked manipulation and terror. of origins on both sides of the atlantic to develop strategies to deal with the situation. we're dealing with an adversary that has no end. this will never stop i'll never forget bin laden in an interview saying i were. not a 2000 year continuum if i don't do it my son will do it his son will do it his son will do it it will happen i will never see it but it will happen that's the problem with western thinking we think problem resources problem solved that's not how they think that's not how it works we underestimate their longevity underestimate their ability to sustain they may go away for a few years but they're never gone. pete.

i asked wants the west to fear its child soldiers and its new generation of the hardest and it wants us to forget that these children are above all victims not puppetry of so. many also hail from europe which makes the authorities there legally and morally obligated to take them back no matter how brainwashed by a few. should cross the political charge was. called on walsh to call. yourself was not even 10 when his family took him to syria in the summer of 2014 and turned him over to us as seen in this facebook video. it does update. or just. image the ostrich way out of touch and there's been no sign of use of since. perhaps he has done. or he may come back one day

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