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the self-styled islamic state has been defeated militarily but its propaganda videos are still circulating on the internet. many featured child soldiers undergoing training. young boys coerced into killing and dying for the counter 1st. in 2015 schoolchildren in the french city of toulouse spotted a classmate in an eye as propaganda video. should it was a master on march 12th i received a call from the school psychologist. she said we have kids here crying. i quickly realized the children were in shock because of the video they'd watched. 5th of why

. you know if you do. they said yeah that's right and in the video. years ago almost all negative they had recognized their classmate and his stepfather unmistakeably. it don't golf y. and then you see the child taking aim and killing a prisoner. and he murders a hostage as you know that. at the time ron was 12 years old the chair for french schoolboy had turned into a cold blooded killer. and it don't get confused you don't get enough of that we could barely believe it but it was true joy. we were now facing a totally new situation. the children had an endless number of questions. for

us about so we couldn't deal with something like this on our own so we called in a team of doctors and psychologists he could get. this awful to look at the subject his former friends and classmates all had the same basic question as us adults how could he possibly do such a thing. in their minds he was a nice boy friendly and kind of. they often had fun together laughing and playing football. i think. some of them asked if he can murder a human being is he intrinsically evil. is he a monster has to do the name for longish or as to the divine. host scott. brown was taken out of school in april 2014 and brought to syria by his parents his

stepfather was a friend of the islamist militant mohammed merah he was shot dead by french police after he murdered 7 people including children at a jewish school. french authorities last all trace of the propaganda video is the last time he was seen alive. videos of this kind are designed by islamic state to start in the west by raising the specter of a new generation of merciless fighters. recruited and trained by the jihadist group these children say western intelligence agencies pose a serious danger. even after the caliph its defeat in the field tens of thousands of us fighters remain in iraq internment camps. they include some 5000 children and teenagers among them several 100 who came from europe. most were recruited to the islamic state by their own parents.

parts of northern iraq semi autonomous kurdish region more among the longest held i-s. territories this is all that remains of cinderella. the city was once the center of the years e.d.'s an ethnic minority targeted by ass and a campaign of ethnic cleansing. kurdish troops recaptured send in the autumn of 2015 today it lies in ruins its outskirts licit with dozens of mass graves. in center alone i as murdered some 10000 years edis thousands of women and girls were abducted raped and enslaved. i was also kidnapped young boys to enlist them as child soldiers.

is from sandra she managed to flee when i as fighters captured the city in the summer of 2014 but 71 members of her extended family were trapped by troops of the so-called calif it i'm not able to escape most were never heard from again. a diva travels tirelessly from one refugee camp to another to help where she can and in the hope of finding lost relatives. let's say if it is if into. the phone all the family were together. but now it's so difficult because this road here

a bit further on. people lost each other. and now our phone line far from my family my parents i said playing each one of us in a different country. while it. well. how are you i missed you so much are you all well. let's go inside. a lot about. how someone does not have. after years of separation a diva has managed to track down some of her relatives they were able to escape i was troops after the intervention of kurdish under iraqi forces. how are you are you in good health thank goodness thank god that city that there is.

a funny. how are you well. that one of the divas causeless was recruited by ass and trained as a child soldier. will you sit down with me. father was 13 when he and other children were abducted and transported to rocker the asked while capital of the i asked counterfeit. father received a type of minute tree drilling displayed in propaganda videos. that

have you seen these videos that i as sends to youngsters gotten mixed yes they filmed a one of them in our camp it shows boys marching in uniform. they're all wearing hats about 70 or 80 kids in total is just about. to do it he. does. it out of a degree you know. but you know if i was a little boy. that is me there. seen it before and i'm not until that point that's obvious are they right in front of me. yes this boy here is a u.c.d. so is this one for him his sister and mother are also with i yes this one's easy to he's dead. just in this.

throughout the duration of his captivity funnel lived in fear of beatings brutal drills and violence after 5 months in the training camp the children were sent by ass to the frontlines to rocka aleppo. traumatized the teenager is plagued by not mass and finds it hard to talk about what he went through. a lot them a little says i feel like my life was ruined by all the violence and hardship. can you get that we were torn from one world and placed in another the 1st world was good but the 2nd is very hard. that. our life is not good time passes and it's like we're paralyzed and either you have to go to jail or to war and leave your mother you have no choice it's no life.

what the room is all about i've seen a lot of brutality a lot of bad things it doesn't even scare me if i as fighters behead someone right in front of me. we're used to it because we have seen such dreadful things it's not hard to kill a human being you shoot and he's dead a little. fella escaped his eye as captives in december 2016 but his freedom was short lived he was taken into custody by iraqi authorities he fears he could conduct terrorist attacks for i asked. to talk formosa's all for we turn children into killing. sheens by subjecting them to traumatic experiences that destroyed their moral boundaries. in sierra leone children were forced to rape their mothers or cut off other children's arms. you know their words to do the unthinkable. when the unthinkable is made possible.

it triggers an enormous inner rage that is easy to bring to the 4. of us you sort of star yes you are. in flux and once children are psychologically confused it's easy for malevolent adults to groom them into soldiers of ought. to do this if we call them monsters to protect ourselves unfortunately it has to be said that their children like our own. except that they're forced to abandon their moral boundaries as i see the school. child soldiers stripped about enormous sums of monetary i'm not a new phenomenon many extremist groups and those children for armed combat but i have since reliance on children to fill its ranks and function as human shields

appears to have reached exceptional levels children are cheaper they cost less food you have to pay them a lesser wage i think is that easier mentally to. engage with and to convince. what was shocking for us was the amount of investment. in the past of course we 1st organized. the never mind that such an organized demotic way because what they want is this army it's interesting. i ask used mass rape to breed a new card for a funny says terrorizing an entire ethnic group.

was only 14 when my countless using the women i'm girls she was abducted and forced into sexual slavery. she was raped over and over again ultimately she was forced to marry and i asked fighter with him why dial out we had to sit on the floor in front of them and the commander said that every soldier should choose a woman so each one of them pointed to one of us and took us away with them. and. we had to stay with them for 3 days they killed some of us raped us did unspeakable things to us. saying it's been done after about 20 days i realized i was pregnant i tried everything to get rid of the child but nothing worked when the boy was born i

wanted nothing to do with him but they threatened me if i didn't raise the child they take it away and hand me over to another man. i only agreed to take care of the baby so i wouldn't be given to another man at. night i was forced to marry her rapist. she tried to commit suicide. after months of slavery she managed to escape leaving her child behind. today ny is back in school but she is haunted by the past as much as she tries to move on she can't forget her baby. do you think you'll ever see your child again. yes but only when i ask is totally defeated they view the child as their own and they wouldn't give him to me. i know

he is a son of the i.r.s. they've done dreadful things to us but still he is my son and of course i think of him but i have no idea where he is and have you tried to find out. best i could yes what's his name. and i wanted to give him a z d name but i wasn't allowed to know his name is. do you remember what he looks like yes. i. mean sure i can't talk about it anymore it's too hard.

even after the collapse of i as a self-proclaimed caliphate tens of thousands of women are still raising the children of i ask fighters' children conceived to serve the jihad. that's about it historically a lot of aggressive regimes have banked on high birth rates napoleon pursued this strategy so did the nazis before women had to produce a lot of children the same is true of i yes. but unlike the nazis who were seeking racial purity. yes is pursuing an agenda of ideological and religious purity the depths of the do rich images got me that sound of sunday off the fish and chips and dresses it doesn't matter to them whether it's a chechen arab or german who's joining the jihad or a smiling blue eyed frenchman from normandy. as long as he it hears to their

religious ideology. it's feet up in the medina to do an article for your kid young but. it was written. from the moment they're born these children are raised and indoctrinated with this ideology. it's only known. and they have no choice but to adapt to the social environment. saddam pushes here. it's inevitable every child grows up immersed in the world view of their parents and protectors and it's on the experience life as a. good man that that

amount yeah. it's a snap to the senate to see an awful it's very easy to turn a child into a fanatic because it's forming its 1st memories when synapses are connecting to the brain. if a child learns to hate it in the name of morality of course it's surprising how fast these connections are hardwired into the brain though. you don't just learn from books or in school you learn everything from the people you love them enough. to see. the child's brain is shaped by those people's words attitudes and series of . what's. the important point here is that violence is systematic everywhere in these children's lives so it's a very very structured program of education. islamic

states extremist ideology isn't shrines in all aspects of daily life. even in baby announcements. props like a kalashnikov or hand grenades hail the new bones jihad is destiny. anti coloring books filled with various types of military equipment turning weapons of war into normal everyday objects for children growing up among i asked for isis . sama and has now left their home in paris in 2014 and were taken by their mother and stepfather and i asked fighter to rocka they lived for 2 years on their return to france their mother was arrested. the girls aged 5 and

7 now live with their biological father who fought hard for custody in his care the children are slowly finding their way back to a normal childhood away from war violence and religious fanaticism but 2 years are a long time for young children. their exposure to eye is indoctrination has impacted the way they think and talk. why did the bad men want to kill you. because they were unbelievers. are very bad evil people. they don't pray or read the koran. did you enjoy learning all these things know. the order don't go too good the language of totalitarianism always resorts to the

same pattern it starts with the word infidel for unbeliever triggering an automatic process that always ends with death. so the next level introduces the word blasphemy you ridicule and insult my god there's no greater crime i am indignant and outraged. rage is an emotional process that makes it impossible to think rationally it escalates until killing becomes the morally right thing to do. from an early age i asked children are exposed to rigid brillig just doctrine. in kindergarten they would practice beheadings. so it's actually very sophisticated to give a child a teddy bear or a toy and teach him how to behead it because then eventually what that setting the

precedent for is beheading is ok and it's fun and it's something you do with your friends that you do to enjoy it and eventually when you reach a certain age the beheading becomes of a person i do you are asked to behead people. is the premise here also just how do you. it what they want see. it all this. is all the. but school for the cops of the caliph it ends at the age of 9 and the curriculum is based soley on the principles of jihad for seem to be a lot. simon

and just 4 years old when i asked occupy their village in 2014. like many. the children they were abducted to syria and placed in a village near rocca. oh who is this mom and. i am this is their flag. which has got. is this your school in syria you know in rocca. what did they teach you though the qur'an and other stuff. and he english 90 he says he once i was in the schoolyard when they chopped a man's head off. and they took another man tied his hands up and strung him up

they shot him from the back and then chopped his head off to. his body fell down i was just going to have a national healing. jab imagine times they told us if we didn't repeat after them they'd round up everyone close to us so they'd be no one left to take care of a few then we'd have to stay home all alone and they'd come and kill us because i'm a little little. result. first the children have to learn who the enemy is. and that the aim is to establish an islamic state and that's the core message they firmly believe that they are the good guys their ideology stems directly from god their struggle is divine so all these boys want is to please god and their brothers in arms to make sure that we're going to school. it's easier to condition small children if you tell

a 5 or 6 year old that santa claus is armed with a kalashnikov you'll believe you. rather than take me with you the others on here yet we have to wait. now as a child becomes older what they're taught in the family that what they're doing is good and justified only becomes ambleside when they go to schools and people they trust such as teachers and nurses and other schoolchildren are all saying the same idea. the 2 boys were freed by kurdish forces in an attack on iran's positions and reunited with their family in iraqi kurdistan. by that time simon and i had forgotten my mother tongue. they were highly aggressive pulling insults and unveiled women or men who smoked. showered with their families love and attention the boys needed months before they

could begin coping with the horrific experiences and return to school and the life and freedom. could a so-called islamic state school is solely a production facility for fanatics many regular teachers went into exile lina is a teacher threatened by us in syria she fled across the border to the turkish city of gaza on top. leno would have preferred to remain in syria where she secretly instructed her pupils in subjects banned by ass. and. i was never afraid something would happen to me until the end we did what we could to oppose these people that found out that i knew they could do dreadful things to me much worse than anything i'd ever heard of any but i made

a very conscious decision to keep on doing what i was doing that have a will. today her syrian people is a refugee just like herself. under islamic state the children were never allowed to learn the subjects lina teaches. and then there's you by night i don't know nothing that you don't want me i can't be no good . keep them going i don't know catherine ok. there's a lot you know. the i ask curriculum abolished subjects like philosophy and social studies advice history and geography and reduced math to the simple addition of tanks and hand grenades.

teachers who refused to comply were arrested and executed to serve as a warning many of lena's colleagues are dead or have gone into exile like yourself and her brother gus one is also a teacher his. oh as for that it's terrible education was always a ray of hope for us. i taught middle and high school we had about 200 pupils i fear a portion of those will have joined i yes voluntarily by now either out of ignorance or because they're poor and need money or. we had hoped the young generation would build a better country but after i asked his conquests i fear for their future. the fed kids who are weaned on their ideology will find it hard to shake. the children who were little back then are now 15 or 20 and the long term i guess wants to use

them to build sleeper cells and i and. many of the children learn that there is just one truth. they are allowed to decide for themselves what is right because that could give rise to doubt anyone who feels doubt and can make a decision enjoys a degree of freedom these children don't experience that they learn there is just one truth thoroughly. and according to i ask this one single truth can only be found in the qur'an. to prevent doubt from arising in these children i ask cuts off all ties to their previous lives. they are not allowed to have a family or home outside of the training camps. for large camps have been known to exist in iraq and as sore in syria and in mosul and

telephonic in iraq. such. as. from a young age children are put through rigorous physical training. at the age of 7 they begin their basic training and weapons and military tactics that last several months. will too don't much needles they're being forced to be vigilant at all times which is highly stressful. they are never allowed to relax spoke to peaceable courses. at the end of the training there was

a graduation party of sorts but amid growing eye is losses all the children have really become is cheap cannon fodder. the self-proclaimed i ask counterfeits began losing ground in iraq and syria after the battle of mosul in late 2016. i. asked commanders then increasingly began to send children to the front a truly perfidious tactic. to force a lawful if you see a kid with a machine gun just like before you realize what you're seeing your dad tells us it's a type of terror seeing children in such unimaginable situations of assault. on

the ground i asked was declared defeated in march 2019. but underground it still plots terror attacks some with the help of children this propaganda video shows a boy steering a vehicle to overtake a military convoy before he blows himself up. even small children are used for suicide missions as documented here by iraqi soldiers in mosul. yeah that was the issue. i asked has nothing to lose by using and abusing children if their mission is successful the group achieves its goal but even if it isn't the images of young suicide bombers attract international attention. so they use young children who has committed suicide bombings over have

died in the frontlines of for they were these photos of them and make them into little celebrities so like a young child that would worship a football there for example is young kids are worshipping other kids who have killed themselves in war and it's seen. that exciting thing that deserves to be rewarded so that's a very sophisticated idea of martyrdom as well. ali was 10 when he received his eye as training like fountains of other boys he was being groomed as a couple of the comfort. then he was freed by opposition fighters and reunited with his family. he now lives in turkey with his mother and sister. his friend mohamad didn't make it out alive. that they took his friend with them the next day he blew himself up. his body exploded there was nothing left. it was

ripped into small pieces totally shredded. many joined i.a.s. they had no idea if they'd been made to die as martyrs they told me you can meet my hammock in paradise if you become a martyr and he asked. what did you reply to i said no i'd like to go to paradise but not through a suicide bombing they asked if i wanted to attack a school kids. do you know why as uses young children. it's easier to brainwash them it's like they have a remote control that's how much power they have the kids go wherever they're sent i saw with my own eyes how they strap explosives on to kids and sent them on a mission or made them drive a vehicle with a car bomb this that's why i didn't like them it was too much for me i don't trust

them anymore and if they come again for me i won't join them. as the family escaped ali's father stepped on a landmine. on the end as youngest sister watched him die. another horrific shock for these deeply traumatized children stay. with this are. you can you tell me what you're drawing hundreds and i ask i joking someone's head off and a person who's been crucified had chopped off head and attacking planes. do you dream about stuff like this. and yes i do we all have nightmares.

the children who have undergone indoctrination and i n's training camps include about 1500 from western european countries. almost 300 from germany and more than 500 from france. intelligence and security experts warn of the threat they pose should they return and of cool for precautionary measures should now we have a 2 fold problem we've got former extremists former terrorists and foreign fighters so we have individuals that are going to fight in countries like iraq and syria who are coming back not just as former terrorists but foreign fighters which makes it even war difficult to deal with. how do you deal with

children who have undergone military training and experienced brutal violence. can maybe really integrated into society is that a pope human rights freedom and the rule of law. the courthouse in between a paris houses the files of all the children who have returned to france from previously held i asked territories. about 20 come back each year most of them are not yet 12. on their return french authorities immediately arrest the parents and place the children in state camp. as is all for us we don't ask these children what did you do what did you see or hear we don't ask questions we just observe them they have to learn to adjust

naturally they feel somewhat lost they've been separated from their parents suddenly they're alone it's brutal to see your mom and dad handcuffed and taken away by police. we give them time to process it all then we let them tell us their story. our primary focus is finding the best conditions for their reintegration and protecting them siddhis. every child is treated as an individual case and is given a chance even of some politicians or prosecutors quote former child soldiers a security risk and describe them as ticking time bombs. seductress sure maybe some children really are ticking time bombs but if we say

they can't be saved then we are in the wrong line of work that would mean there is no point trying to protect children and juvenile delinquents. am i as a prosecutor supposed to say they cannot be saved in my opinion we need to do everything we possibly can to save them and avert the worst case scenario of europe you. ringback consider that they are we help them cope with their experiences and put them into perspective and their heads everything is upside down they need to sort through their experiences put them in boxes put the banks's in cupboards and the coverage into the cellar then they can live in the house and they know the bad things are in the server.

no one knows just how many children and teenagers have returned to europe a survivors of i asked manipulation and terror. of origin is on both sides of the atlantic need to develop strategies to deal with the situation. we're dealing with an adversary that has no end. this will never stop all never forget bin laden in an interview saying i were. in the 2000 year continuum if i don't do it my son will do it his son will do it his son will do it it will happen i will never see it but it will happen that's the problem with western thinking we think problem resources problem solved that's not how they think that's not how it works we underestimate their longevity underestimate their ability to sustain they may go away for a few years but they're never gone. he came.

i asked once the west to fear its child soldiers and its new generation of the hardest and it wants us to forget that these children are above all victims not puppetry of so. many also hail from europe which makes the authorities there legally and morally obligated to take them back they matter how brainwashed they are few. good cost. only to fall for such most such as all will wish this on. yourself was not even 10 when his family took him to syria in the summer of 2014 and turned him over to as i've seen in this facebook video. it does something. or just. the image of the ostrich way out of touch. there's been no sign of use of sense. perhaps he has done. or he may come back one

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