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are. in their own destruction is a bit complicated especially for classical music has so many talented young musicians. but they're not just so many possibilities to travel to perform or to watch live concerts and as i have like a family of musicians and my father is a composer who told me if it's what you want to do and you need to leave. what i heard about that doesn't mean i don't really. wow such opportunity and i've

always wanted to to do something else it was to study show literature to study always always and when i saw that week you know visit well and there and it was no question that i was going there. i had been on stage for 64 years now i played my 1st concert in 1950 s. of suspicion. i hope i've learned something in all those he is and i'd like to pass that on i think.

it's one step in a vision i have long held. here. to have this center where musicians from all over the middle east can learn to communicate with one another through music common interests your. these yeah i mean this academy is slightly different with a program to counter specialize ation in the galleries you. read it was present what used to say is a specialist is someone who knows more and more about less and less on that mission i believe that this problem is not limited to musicians it affects all of society is in some.

thank . the idea started for having an academy where musicians would also study philosophy that was the that was the idea and that was how i heard of it shortly thereafter i met with mr barron by many media it was clear that we share these 8 years that it's a terrible shame that classical musicians nowadays specialize so much and don't get to reflect more broadly about what they do in the ground themselves in the broader culture so it was clear that we could work together in trying to to remedy that

and it was clear that that this was going to work. you. know was very interesting because it was the 1st time seeing a program. more broad than just music and i was always interested in more things but never had really time to expand or. you know to really learn them. and that's if they just if i. and i got accepted for their.

this is what you must course of one for don it has always been daniel barenboim streams to have an academy where students are educated his way that. fall that he challenges every musician to acquire a universal education to be one to keep on learning and to see the bigger picture so as a. friend you. will be very. heartening and makes me happy that he's responding like that i can since i don't play an instrument like him. it feels good. i'm surprised

how how much how nice the windows are i was worried about them it feels like a connection to the city which is right because this is not a. and out next year a concert hall on the floor morning here there's a holler something. every academy needs a home. but this is the only academy with a hole like this one yes we were lucky because frank gehry turned out to be a fan of the west east and devalue his truck with his ok when i told him that this idea was becoming reality he said. i really want to do this this and i said mr careless because we weren't friends yet again mr gary you are probably the world's greatest architect we can't afford to go through he replied how could you say that for you to be able to work for the west instant of an orchestra and for

this academy used to be i know what you should bankers minds and if he did everything for free it was an amazing gift as persecution for. the 1st models i did were like a smaller version of a big concert hall and daniel was lying on his back neighbor's in pain and he said but frank why are you doing that what happened to those other sketches he did. and i said well they're not the priest seen him they're not normal they don't hear. you don't ask frank gehry to build a conventional concert or they no point in doing that there's no point in doing that. and they really overalls. that was kind of intuitive thing i intuitively made them i didn't know why i felt right for the room

but i was dismissing them because i didn't have enough experience. to know that. the musicians could you know could make it worth. the time you. said that frank gehry is 1st draft of the concert hall was to traditional for his liking so it was a kind of box. the hoffman finger. and then gary started drawing that big bang spiral which became the 1st draft of the of lip tickle concert hall of the barenboim saeed academy so it's hard to believe but it's true. i was all for it and ripped the page straight out of his no progress because. i. i.

the 1st year was in just across in the parallel street we were living people students from. the region and it was very exciting because we were like a small family very fast we became really good friends. and then one year after we moved here of course $25.00 more students arrive and it started to feel more like and academy make many people all and the syria and iran 20 something people so now it's a real functioning academy so it's really nice to see how it's being used to

such an institution. to travel to israel palestine lebanon jordan and egypt to recruit. to find students to hold auditions to tell them about the academy. and we have about now i think close to 80 percent of our student body is all from the middle east from middle eastern with africa which is something i'm very proud of because that is the. primary. the sort of remit of this institution it's one of our primary objectives.

to. learning. a few 100. feet. by. my late husband every saturday and then when dan and wine met by accident after a hotel in london i believe it was 992 history and he came up to me and said you don't know me mr barenboim i'm edward sayit. i replied we've never met but i know very well who you are. and he laughed and we talked for

a while and then i said i'm sorry but i have to go i have a rehearsal yes he said can i wait for you certainly i replied i would love to continue our conversation so. that's why i believe that was in june 1902 if i'm not mistaken. we spoke almost every day almost every day until his death. whether he was in japan and i was in berlin or he was in the u.s. and i was in one as i didn't matter. that connection meant a lot to both of us. it was only a couple of years later that they began to discuss projects out 1st actually edward was very keen that then he had visited the west bank he said why don't you visit it why don't you see

how it is on the other side. that man always was thinking we have to do something for our people and of course and what a good with that. the opportunity came for the west to become a reality. i mean it's not often that you find scholars that are so deeply interested in music and musicians that are so deeply interested in philadelphia and so they had an immediate connection at that level and of course because of their backgrounds one

being by identity palestinian of course educated in an anglo-american environment in in egypt and then. on the united states for edward sayed and for bound by him most of his life he did not live in israel but he had a clear jewish and israeli. strands in his background and both of them are humanist so both of them see the concerns. of the contemporary middle east through their own lens as well as through the lens of a broader a broader perspective i think they wanted others to be able to enjoy this type of this type of encounter in this happen. connection that they had this shouldn't be a privilege of the few lives everyone should be able to connect with that. man.

one of the things at that said about this project is through this project the language of music that was teaching these young students and the sand musicians to think differently they will be thinking in alternative ways and trying to break that impasse we at in now if not their generation that they will pass it on to their children this experience and maybe so that's how i see it looking beyond seeing the situation we're in always in on turning to ace. if i told you that goal from the beginning i went there one of the conversations for the day i looked it would be a life of course i went for the special musical experience but then once there i began to ask myself the questions the good questions. or the bad questions also

there but the situation there and then i restarted to talk with friends who started to know so many things about others about the differences about and how to how to connect and hold on the stand the differences of the other. gagner. the west uncertainty vanish it is damn program which i grew dim also as a musician and watching so closely with. my surviving one and with such an amazing musicians. experience is unbelievable it's it is the highest level love of music making. and when you're sharing tweets such an amazing musicians that treated become such good friends of yours and people that in either situation you will never meet i will never head their option to

playing a clarinet section we danny runyan trying to sand and carnitine east and. meeting one of the most opinion financing experiences. it's now the orchestra goes on to words from the salzburg festival to the lucerne festival the mother promised to the souls of wagner and berlin it wasn't like that before things were still developing and then she'll. be sucked in i was already playing with the divine in 2000 when edward sight was still a long time. he came by and talked to the musicians through them with the relationship between him and my father was the roots of the west eastern divide us so that's how it came about. and the academy is basically a continuation of that idea of you.

we are looking at a world that has a lot of discontinuity its problems with building up walls and shutting people off and a lot of unfortunate a kind of under taking any kind of. subversion of the critical and false offical a deer's that the western intellectual world had inherited from the enlightenment on heard that music is a universal language that means the same thing to everybody or work at least speak to everybody. what better way to figure out what music means than to do it in a project such as what has the west use in the broader christer and eventually the

back and say to. the rough and. i swear to make music is to become one all come together and stay permanently connected but i wanted that from the start. that's why there's the philosophy of i call it the thinking here is thinking there or. we created this curricula linking the music that they play till other aspects of context and content but he original thought was music and also feet. but as soon as we developed it into a larger program we realised that that philosophy was one angle of humanity's. plato where as you are such a smart philosopher plato your student i want to learn what is the human being and i want to learn is there such a thing as truth and if plato were not plato but someone else he might say well let

me tell you after you die this is what happens to yourself and the research of thing called truth and i the philosopher know it and these are things you need to know and if you come to my school 5 times a week i will teach you the truth he could do that but instead he says there was a cave imagine imagine this cave why do you think. he takes this route why would a philosopher take the time to write so many so many details when he could just tell us we're in the dark. in terms of what the musical world demands it doesn't seem to be necessary to have this broader education why is it that they should care about her clitoris or or marks or. instead of just playing for another hour but the potential of music is kind of limited when

musicians limit themselves to technical skill and performance. we want to correct a tendency and to say you're missing the point if you're just playing it. for for for music sake so to speak there's a whole there mention that is that is lost. thanks so much pascal. thinking is fun it's like exercise for the brain and water and through these texts and the philosophers we learn on an emotional level in america and we get to know ourselves better because we ask ourselves more questions that we have a wise one to have asked. and we get to know each other because we express our views in class and on my own to have and.

you know. if i can find it's hugely enriching for a musician because when you play you often have to recreate various emotions but you also need your brain to understand and analyze the pieces and coffee pot understood so far stands on the newseum. for instance let's say i've never felt lonely because i've always been around people just. fun to find but a piece speaks of deep loneliness and then i can recreate that because i've read about it in books or i can imagine it was fashion.

2. i come from a known musical family so i don't know how actually i got it i don't know probably i saw it on t.v. or something and i was really interested invited in and i just said to my parents i want to study the violin and they are in of course they say try to find a teacher then and here we are in berlin. 2.

there's. the pull of the fingers. first time i met i swam the world. he came to another is through the conservatory and i played for him the small piece that. off their feeling was i met him again and andrew said in festival he was incredibly charming very young and very lively. never initials and he said to me after me most of my playing in the in the orchestra i would truly love to if she was she on me to be there he said but you're too young you're still 11 and that's a bit out of that he said if it helps i can also say i'm 20 i was out if it's on.

that's when i knew that this is an element from him for it and the next summer i was there. we are harming actually the man half course most of our students are from the region regular middle east palestinians israelis syrians egyptians.

would lose all hands like the west east and began it is not a project for peace fully that one bring peace this is a humanitarian project money for your kind it is not a political project and we're not trying to push any political opinion reefers opened. for us we lurch to east does what we want is for them to learn to listen to other people's views. and maybe even understand them without necessarily agreeing with me or stands for.

god and i just was. working with these students who come from the middle east who would not be able to study together in the middle east you could not have. a person from tel aviv and a person from syria sitting in the same classroom anywhere over there. working with these people has really allows me to feel like i'm in some way connected to the realities of the region even though i'm not there. and that. i find a channel through which i feel i'm doing something even if it's not necessarily immediately visible and even if it's not political activism it feels like in some

way. my work is relevant to that reality. there's so much to say about. the hitler youth brotherhood books and bring them here in the middle of the square or authors who are writing in ways that were seen as anti german or degenerate yeah this is the term the nazis used to generate art it's a bit of the surface it's hard to see inside but i invite you to take a look down there in the inside the hall there and see what you see. this is something that occupies me a lot. well in today and in jewish history and the current conflict in the middle east and how these things somehow. are in one going conversation these particular identities and you know the jerusalem is now the place where the wall is now there is a wall in jerusalem we are here now taking our students through berlin and talking

about how walls don't last. just this image seeing students from the middle east here in berlin where survival is not an issue where identities can be negotiated where you feel free to connect with another through music and through side. is just liberating and. and beautiful

c. when edward died and with that suddenly they came to me and they said if you want this project to continue you'll have to be involved as a family. because it wouldn't work otherwise. they were like you know if i if we did not. participate that the essence of the project the idea of both sides coming together that we're

not to be there with daniel by himself. and then the project would become something else completely. so i thought it's better that they continue their way it is because the message is spot for. i would like to formally introduce each morning saying it's the radio that would. so i need and is the name sake of the building here so the barenboim say eat the cademy you all remember who had received a strange so when we think of others what do you think that means as an idea. what isn't of. yourself and others. this is. the other was 1st used in homer's iliad which to

describe the true sions who are the non greeks they were the other we are the grids we are the center of civilization we are amps and we smell good which ones the basic sort of tenets of morality ninja greece and the treasuries are just these barbarians who live across the sea and that's where the true others entered into the lexicon of western intellectuals history and this is how it works i even uses the term other in the context of his work in his work humanism takes on a particular. relational dimension. and not simply. given ism in the sense of developing my potential. my skills my knowledge but humanism in the sense of allowing a connection where previously there may not have been or. you know the question of of differences of human difference. and whether that

notion of difference can extend to very large collectivity such as western east to orient an author. is something about which i'm very doubtful there's nobody for example who doesn't believe in the idea of human freedom or human dignity or compassion or human for eternity or love or whatever you want to call i mean to me it's much more interesting and impressive how cultures you know concept be feed each other across what are supposed to be lines of the mark a shrink. and to me are fact lines of coexistence and complementarity m m m counterpoint which of the word i use from the us from you know me.

i mean we're trying to break down its walls we're trying to look at the walls of ideologies and political systems build and find a way to bulldoze right through them to. to. bring them down to through music and art and and expression i mean there's actually a fantastic story in the old testament about the wall of jericho being brought down by the by the blaring horns of trumpets i mean that's a great analogy for trying to accomplish. what you just learned it is how much you are similar and that. there is no. monster on the other side. they want what you want.

we mainly are humans and we speak about our they mean acts here and we create friendships doesn't have anything to do with. the place we were burning piecing the fact that we are all coming to do it means that already there is one thing that is common for all of us and not on the music which is a big common field. short answer is

a very just seen how in the orchestra in the cave on the street when an israeli plays a solo for the bow a clarinet or whatever got everyone is happy and wants them to do well on moves does this is good luck just keep under there is no other moment in life right now when an israeli wants the best for a palestinian. because. it was good if.

2 he finds time to organize some lessons for the students gifts that he has for that it's something that i really see as a role model in especially in the law for music that he it's reflecting from him. let us know whether you have a. that look here you have a good commission here and now you have to reduce the volume by 30 percent so that he doesn't have to pray for. that sandbox the same and i'm surprised that someone who isn't a cellist could teach me in such detail as the kind in the orchestra he can comment

on each instrument so it's rare for a conductor to be familiar with every instrument and able to solve any problem until people problem and just believe you must really take the harmonic basis very seriously don't forget it's the most powerful adamant of harmony. melody rhythm the most powerful or is the harmony. and that's not a matter of opinion it is a form of. scientific. and with salvation and then band and wine have in common their way of challenging their students to think for themselves there is an american expression that says you stand on the the giants shoulders and look beyond and that's what he did he looked beyond all east teachers

all those people who came before him and tried to see something new in and that's how he trained in students daniel does the same music. yeah. huge vice i don't know how successful we compete with a combination of music and philosophy revisit those who is equal to those of. which so far it's too early to say because at the end of the day it's still a musical academy. so how it's going to work out it's an

experiment and you know as long as an experiment is not finished just as in medicine you can't use it. well and we have to make sure that as it grows teaches join us they support our idea. and their teaching goes well beyond fingering and borrowing techniques were born. thanks .

the human did defeat also for the poet the musician the conductor i was like what's around the hyde how do you switch between all these languages without getting lost in your mind how do you do that it was on the stairs of the academy and he was it was not you know you think too much just just scrooge and that's it don't don't think too much about it with more you think too much the more you go to church and just construct and about letting it be there naturally and with a good education with a good with

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