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new season of sounders valley. this week w. c that moved people the world over t.w. on facebook and twitter up to date and in touch. after 3 months it's the day many european countries lift border controls hello everyone i'm also be gal from the french border town of show nick for france $24.00 and i'm linda crane for d.w. standing on a german side walk alongside the french main street where in the summer region where european economic cooperation began 70 years ago last month we're going to be asking whether those border controls left a bitter taste as we embark on a new phase can the franco german motor drive recovery our title grand

reopening france 24 and d w join up at the border for the debate welcome and 380. kilometers away is a little bit super bowl in the french capital paris chief economist at insurers and asset managers are young thanks for being with us and we're joined by hina hofmann he is president of germany's powerful trade union confederation the d.g. team and let me start out with a question to you and a half men when corona hit you urgently appeal to e.u. member countries to coordinate their responses to the virus that didn't happen here at this border as it reopens would you say that germany's unilateral move to reimpose border controls was a mistake yes it was a mistake because. we meet experience and or understate is affected by the cool 100 and the more coup or need to response from the beginning

would be much better then every member states would be on his or her way and journey into gave the best example of the early beginnings little bit survival you have roots in this part of france your thoughts. from my mother is actually from there and i work from the largest insurer who happens to be german so for me closing the french german boat and border was a heartbreaker and i agree that you know it was stupid and it is because trust was very low that every country in the european union decided to manage the crisis on its own and now we asking an act of faith and reopening as if nothing. but most of the country and especially most of the companies will remember this as a scar for quite some time quite some time you say and that's the big question here locally we spoke to the recently reelected a mayor of show necker gabrial bastion it was

a friday night suddenly here we are on the french side over the other side the streets the german side and these barriers come up. as well his little was on the divan here so it's a member. of the belly tub so if you could do consume all that. on the menu that is and who people sell false police on just to please don't you could feed a massage a day to a new person a difficult problem to do to protect wanted to poke a hole of his own film in 2004. the cool deborah best in. does it change for you personally the way you see europe you see this trip on up the street as usual as an apostle. a supplier. i'm sorry for it could you want to sit data that good i do visa to. go and do a look at all those years to see if what you like mondays are his and most are going to come in the whole place. or. a little sensitive if you fight

if you think a lot of the townspeople here have not forgotten that viral video of a 65 year old frenchman who was pushed to the ground by german police when he sneaked across the border to buy cigarettes we also have people who told us of cars being cheap then basically not speaking well from across the border. we are taking the show in front of a local restaurant that found itself in a no man's land when the barricades went up and cut this town in half german restaurant owner thomas should say says even when he finally reopened after lock down the lack of french customers badly hurt his business now shifting the my astonishment he got to meet often with often violent on viewers and often under the visa of the boy vo of the funds was an redefines was an awful via voyager begin again a function call from cars on the lead and smitten he finds those uncommon he ones

and in the 100 i get to still feel like a shifted human and can be through from flimsy oxer sports and fun fun to sequential fleeting what do you expect from the european union going for lent. me a dozen of those countries and you should not keep vegas and ends when you have bones with them and good of a good one for them and want us soldiers please them one. in the longer freak to 4 inch off by appt us is see us from out slush this is the escalation to 1st in last month that's the solution they gave us money on and off the boat at the moment a solution is to come. yeah billet doux you mentioned how the. restaurant is in a no man's land i'm standing on a piece of sidewalk here that is right in france if i put my foot here i'm actually in germany and that gives you an idea right or half than your thoughts on whether

this will leave sting scars yes i'm going to the experiences we made over the last couple of weeks is that you know of us not really in a position to cooperate much stronger together we make a lot of painful experiences a moderate each and and don't forget all the people coming from france working on germany on the other would be a lot better to come and germany are going to do france this has been really a different girl as the difficult. challenge this has been created which have been the smile and you know entirely unnecessary it's a much smaller coordinates that corporations. have in the last couple weeks. is this a systemic problem with the european union or was this just well the panic because we we've never seen a pandemic like this one before. of course there is an element of panic i think it

was a 1st for many of us it's a it's once in a generation and hopefully only once but i think the resentment also started very strongly when he was the 73 scandal that we went through in france people were extremely disappointed to hear that our german neighbors had tests as masks and we didn't have any so i think it varies of course the original sin which is how weak the european commission has been at the beginning at the onset of this crisis but very quickly we sold the divergence when he came to the number of 50 people in the 1st casualty which created this sense of nervousness and there were mistakes remember that there was exports of mass from germany to relieve that was you know a bone of contention at one point and people remember this and also the way we we behaved i would say of the onset of the crisis between government was not perfect so so i hope that we will overcome these these resentments and that now we are

going to build something strong together germany's going to be going to hold the presidency of the european union on the 1st of july and it's a very defining moment for european silly verity and sovereignty which of the 1st time we hear those words even in the world of the german. foreign office. let us come back in a few minutes to the question of that germany council presidency but 1st a question to both of you briefly about potential political implications from the resentments that you have both describing that we heard about in those interviews with people here in the town supply you have worked for the french finance ministry you know french politics very well do you see the potential for the economic pain and frustration that were voiced there sparking perhaps right wing nationalism in regions like this one. i mean historically this region has been one of the bastion of the best to remember this in spite of the very european sentiment you just

described so so i think what is sure is that everybody is concerned about these health and economic crises morphing into a political and a social crisis especially in france because of the severity of the recession the severity of the confinement and also some of the policy mistakes that are in the making what comes to not restart the engine soon enough so if everybody is kind of worried and everybody's looking also what's happening in germany because you need the chancellor merkel has a record high level up larry where president macro is actually losing steam so we also looking a little bit how the other countries are going to vote on the on the aftermath of this. and i don't happen just briefly your thoughts on potential political implications of these wounds that you talked about a moment ago you know 6 of the risk is high that as you described in france's lupin on germany if he could. could gain critical capital out of this crisis

but on the other hand if things are going better and through pandemic is under control and the economic recovery starts to win us in peter we have also a huge number of opportunities especially from france and germany are going in the same direction and there are some as a real answer to your committee. let me ask ludovick simple can at the rusty german french motor be a retort mechelen macron appear to have gotten it happen running again but is that a temporary recovery or do you think that their plan for bringing growth back to europe after cove it can actually drive robust resilience here in this region. well certainly this was what we've been expecting for the last 3 years right every one of them was giving a speech on the other it was sounding a bit busy and not answering back so obese time they actually agreed to something

quite groundbreaking the socal hamiltonian moments on the 750000000000 euro for the european commission to be able to finance the recovery is is groundbreaking the next generation the u.s. groundbreaking but more importantly i think we are coming out of this crisis much less naive when it comes to the u.s. china river already and our place as europe as a sovereign europe as a strong europe in the school will show political nightmare so ip the french and the german are quite serious about it and i think it will actually be the beginning of something then how long it will take how successful will we be it will depend on all of us to work together companies i've always been much more european than governments so we should trust the private sector to do that and not try to be which the french love to do a b. to interventionist because that was really what you know could be. the big. would say disincentive for this recovery to be joint and to be shared and to be

successful let me just remind our audience that the hamiltonian moment essentially refers to a comparison with the history of the united states when in the 18th century alexander hamilton actually persuaded the original u.s. states to mutual eyes their debt in other words to take responsibility for each other steps and that is an element of the merkel macro plan for european recovery it's an element the president mentioned yesterday evening in his speech to the french nation when he expressed confidence in the plan that he and the german chancellor have introduced so prone to hopeless and show so far they can all get painted it to me that you see a low until the moment. let's go. to the. economy to continue know it until i know the story together with your french union

colleagues and hoffman you have applauded the merkel mccraw plan but that optimism that we just heard there from president mcharg doesn't exactly capture the mood of people here in this region what can you and your french colleagues in the french trade union confederation what can you do to ensure that recovery really reaches people in regions like this one. acing it will be quite important that what the micro and america has agreed to will be accepted or to buy it or other member states that is a long way to go and it has been mentioned that germany will take over from the 1st of july the e.u. presidency and i see that the german government has a huge responsibility to get the recovery program on the road which is in business and which is really targeted that recovery can take place

soon and i am quite convinced that if france and germany taking their responsibility let we are we have an opportunity to use this crisis as a chance for a much closer and a much more soldiery euro and as you have mentioned we have to see this in a broader context what is going on the united states what is going on in asia in china and what kind of role euro will be able to play in the future if you don't use this opportunity acing then we are facing a big failure and nobody has no interest that you are free in that speech sunday night here to fix of all we heard the french president use words like sovereignty independence of course it means different things for different people as you said earlier this village where i'm standing show next voted for mccain look then in the

2nd round of a presidential election ahead of him and your next hot headed for the far right economic sovereignty that means different things for different people in this europe we live in. you know as a as a french working in germany you know the french were always seen as very to eventually is you know we wanted european champions and it when face was with trump and she didn't being in and then the germans especially the business community was always saying no no our strength is our list if there we are a french word by the way beacon of hope of capitalism we shouldn't intervene too much and now our germany becomes french in a way because you know the stats academy give back speaks himself about sovereignty so i think we will take yet another you know a few months to define what we really need by summer and germany during the presidency of the of the european union but also talk about european goods you know present mccrone used to talk about by european all of that of their strong words

but as you say how do they translate on the ground how do they trust the city election and where people everyday lives the french germans french and i think this is going to be nice for me will be approaching the putting of the next few years and full chess of marco because the elections are coming in germany and cause a bit more time but they will have to leave it in the rio the real life of these people to make sure that he's not just a few words and a french he delectable concepts that has been thrown a crisis that has been very severe and we you know life changing moments for people like those so that you know. plus what i just mentioned sovereignty can mean different things to different countries would you expect to see europe it may be reopening its borders as we can see by the way from all of the traffic passing on that street that was very cried for a long time europe may be reopening its own borders but are we seeing europe potentially more closed in future when it comes to global trade. you know that the

corner virus has been one of the most severe shock on trade we're going to lose close to 3 trillion dollars of exchange of goods and services even 2020 that's a 1st and of course everybody in the recovery is trying to have the story short you know narrative whereby people are going to try to save jobs and protect jobs and maybe you know compact supply chains a bit more and this is where i think you know the german and the french perspective will be very different the french have always been much less dependent on global trade than germany which has been marked antony's by nature so germany in the current 2 packets the stimulus program is trying to help local consumption germany by investing in the french german accord for the recovery strength you have outlets in europe that are stronger staying friends but germany's nolens very dependent on

demand from asia on the men from the u.s. and so i don't know what you each extent we're going to be in sync when it comes to you know how protectionist we one should be or how we tell yechury we want to be sure china what's the u.s. a towards the asean country the southeast asian countries are clearly doing dumb pigs fiscal and social to be part of the global chain after coding and so how are we trying how will we address this when we have very different states we don't have the same providers we don't have the same clients how can we have the same voice that's going to be really something you know up for discussion in the next months that nate let me ask right now happen for his that reaction to that a lot of the jobs of the industries that you represent in the german trade unions confederation depend on exports is this something that concerns you a possible movement toward a more closed or more state interventionist europe some people say that the

government's hand is going to become much much heavier in the wake of corona. a singular you are right sir that especially in germany is depending very much there from a strong export industry those 2 to 3 of our experts who are going into the new communion we don't forget this and our 1st target and 1st goal should be and this is what the french trade unions are to be has made clear a couple of weeks ago that we are depending so much from europe and that you appeal recovery is in part for germany but it is important for france incident in spain if people are. not in good circumstances if they are suffering in italy then german workers will suffer a couple of months later so we have to take much more to get that that's the 1st and the 2nd thing was in a comes to lower the ongoing globalization crowe's as he. grew up and different

learned our lesson that we should use evo as a tool for a new agenda setting. for agenda setting that it will be much more fair it will be much more sustainable as it was in the past and again this cannot be done by a single member state cannot be done by strasbourg germany alone or we can act only as strong partners together at the european level together receive opinion if we've seen a spike reiner halfman in iraq as of populism this past decade it's because we already had a continent wide emergency here 2708 and there's a feeling among citizens that the banks got bailed out but not the people. this time around what will be different will it just be multinational corporations that will get bailed out all it also be workers that will be helped no i think 1st of

all workers have to experience that they. got this a part which. which is needed and secondly we have to make sure the companies are taking. responsibility and that means for the next couple of weeks that dismissal limited that we should. an increase in unemployment if unemployment figures are on the increase. in a very difficult situation and this could be a new source for ripening bodies and p. movements if we don't deliver what workers are expecting expect in security and save jobs let me ask both of you this as you have said and as president emphasized last night german french cooperation is

reviving it's looking stronger than it has in quite some time on the other hand germany is vastly outspending all other e.u. member countries when it comes to national recovery rescue packages couldn't that unfairly tilt the playing field going forward in others words represent a real advantage for this already disproportionately strong german economy compared to other countries. right a half and i start with you and i get a reaction and this is a very serious point and the risk is very high and. absolutely necessary that the the german government has to take up their responsibility as they have agreed in the coalition agreement on the future he wrote that germany has to spend more there are 210 opinion that germany has a responsibility that we get our own fiscal capacity that the the much

annual funso financial strain will be handled under the german presidency this has to become a success if this will be a failure a single europe will be at risk and this is not good for german citizens it's not good and since the effects of what your reaction to that perhaps as a frenchman working in germany do you think germany is ready to really. take european solidarity seriously in the sense of putting its money on it. yeah i think so but i as an economist i'm always looking at you know what's what's happening underneath and the show is of course that you still have voices against the european central bank and low or negative interest rates because germany's savers feel that they're being taxed. is that the business community fears for the

future corporate tax increases and so of course everything that is spent now is seen as a death to the future of this is still very much what the german business community ease looking at but i believe that germany is coming out very strong from these crises in the way it is committing its. own. to its neighbors to its outlets germany east taking a form of leadership that economic but that is that is also in terms of policies you know in france we adopted quite sound bites the fairly low from germany because we know each works e.g. $78.00 or 9 to safeguard jobs how you know much more cooperative can we be than this right but the future is of course about you know making sure that you mentioned the nice fear that is there present in france that france he's lagging behind that the french manufacturing sector will never be stronger you know than

the you know its neighbors and that we see germany which in a lot of money and france you know because of the past money spends we kind of do as much so that's going to be of course. something that leaders federations like hair off men's federation and you know the unions will have to discuss and to reassure one another to show how it is important how important it is that supply chains work together instead of trying to see these 20 ballistic europe we need to go from rules to trust we need to go from safety net to springboard we need to go from you know a real. operation that means that yeah maybe resorting will mean that will we have more workers in one country but another then another but in the end it will mean more workers in both countries and this is something that we really need to start explaining now to avoid that sue years down the road we have another great moments for me that's the biggest fear i have and i once we've all got out oh close by

explaining reading what we doing right now and what should happen producer paul you mentioned earlier how the private sector is often more european than the politicians nonetheless there is that fear that those corporations are going to yes take advantage of this crisis well to fire a lot of people increase their productivity as was the case again in 20082009. well this is the actual this is the real 2nd wave right jobs and bankruptcies on the mind of politicians that's why for example the german government decided to do the stimulus package now to avoid you know a massive you know a period of unemployment and an bankruptcies in france we've postponed the decision to september but but we have these very strong you know shorts emplacements programs and we working on trying to make sure that bankruptcies don't happen and he's eager bankruptcy don't happen but this is this is going to be of course you know

a very domestic issue to manage if some governments don't show that they are that measure up to the needs the social needs of the countries then the anti european sentiment will come back but that the one difference is that we have on both sides of the rhine leaders that actually don't blame it all on europe we will not you know make the mistake of 2012 again we've been vaccinated against these mistakes we cannot blame it all on europe we need to explain deposits even europe at the all what it takes to make sure that even though we may have social difficulties in each country it doesn't jeopardize the group the broader need for stronger europe and more industry. industry independence europe a more autonomy and sovereign europe and just a politics question a domestic one who defeats or ball you mentioned how america announced that rolled out that huge stimulus package it seems to be coming piecemeal here in france why didn't we have a big bazooka moment for me when you're on my call when it comes to you know you

talk about the auto sector aerospace the tourism why didn't you do it all in one blow and we don't have the same countries right so the french and the french police makers right now are convinced that demand is not the problem that we should all do supply and products and investment and we need to boost potential growth because we were so profit before there is a part of truth in here but it true that in a sense it means that they are choosing they're picking the sectors that is very french to be interventionist in the country germany because of the room to maneuver and because of the need for quite some time to give the seasons used to consumption any investments because that wasn't best and then you had to speak with temporary b.h.p. reduction and so forth so i think it's that history of 2 countries last question to both of you with your quest for a very short answer if you would because we are just about out of time right now hofmann mentioned earlier in the program turning a crisis into an opportunity essentially a quote from churchill saying never waste

a good crisis the fact is the e.u. has had quite a few crisis in the past 8 years and it hasn't always made good use of that what do you think how optimistic are you that things will be different this time around hofmann i'm quite optimistic and we will repeat credit towards a german government soon to take up their responsibility in the 2nd half of this year and to fix upon well i will do like mr hoffman of my side of the right just to make sure that we keep them accountable for what they're probably see to people because be kind of missed that one absolutely. and let's make it that way thank you very much to both of you for being with us here on the debate as d.w. joins up with fastback hats are many thanks melinda crane many thanks to you for joining us as well bye for now.

form. and. language courses. video audio. anytime anywhere. w. a complete far is. the way you. see this man it's the 93rd minute 2 minutes into stoppage time and i pretty much know what will happen next. his team will score yet another goal in stoppage time i

see injury time can turn it all upside down but is that fair though. often it seems the biggest injustice in football happened not in 90 minutes but in a couple of minutes after that example champions league final 99 you know by now dominate the match but man united score not one but 2 goals in stoppage time nobody has ever won a final in more dramatic fashion for buying fans the biggest smash and grab raid in football history bigger than money heist. good luck that's a lesson about the. titles can decided by just one single shot right at the end take man city in 20122018 woke up saw 18 goals in injury time 13 of them. but there isn't more time is disproportionately added when a big team is losing i mean.

they can influence how much time there is a psychological advantage of injury time sticks not just when teams score late goals but also when substituted players waste time and walk off the pitch of snail's pace it's like in real life you've been working hard in a job and just before finishing your computer question. what if you put injury time to the test if we introduced a stopwatch like in basketball or ice hockey. let's get started the madness of injury time started in 891 stoke city were 21 down against aston villa when stoke were awarded a penalty in the dying seconds of villa player who had the ball out of the ground. by the time it was returned the ref had already blown the final whistle. sorry.

to make things fair or it was decided later a time could be added on to allow penalties but look what it's become today injury time or a stoppage time is added on due to a smaller one or injuries the substitution seen general time wasting and other factors but who decides about all that's inside will go with the line of enough because that is lives and being. used. so faith is in the hands of one person things have at least become more transparency 096 for the 1st time the 4th official showed how much injury time the proclaims. still don't today but the time shown is not even finding. is enough. to. maybe this explains why injury time vary so much among europe's top leagues topped by. the premier league games are extended for 6 minutes 12 seconds on average sitting with just over 5 minutes. with 4 and

a half. to go with 4 minutes and league of or 3 minutes 55. so in a world where footsteps and mouse clicks can be measured with scientific precision the mantra time remains. no one has any idea as to when the last kick of the ball will come especially in england what has happened there since that ball was kicked off the pitch in 8091 this gives. in 201-6174 example the premier league side scored $68.00 goals in 2nd half stoppage time that's 7 percent of all goals scored that season higher ratio than anywhere else in europe which is why it seems they play until somebody finally school. is it the same game though if you have

a $34.00 or even 5 minutes longer than that in spain. talking of spain research as they are found out that referees often can't handle the pressure of having to decide how much injury time to add. that there. is before you. get. anything. yeah.

in spain and never edge of 112 seconds more. and this kind of preferential treatment is not a spanish specialty. in england former manchester united coach alex ferguson like to boast that his team score more goals than any other side in the world. remember in 1900. 93. got a helping hand. and so the term fergie time was coined. study showed that united benefited from an imbalance in the amount of stoppage time they did to their matches on average over a minute was added extra when united were not ahead after 90 minutes of course. ferguson like to point to his watch which was his way of pressuring refs into getting more injury time. i was under the more. close to the referee intimidation is there one annoyance in injury time time

wasting the other every football fan has been through this your team is losing and then the opponent starts to fake injury or does all kinds of other bizarre things to waste time. faras. in a study in england half of the players who were asked if they faked injury in stoppage time said yes and they get away with it. one of the clock were simply stopped when they decided to lay down and meditate for a while there would be no point to this embarrassingly bad ok. injury time action are we watching next. correct one or 2 of the 18 late goals at the tournament and also one of the 13 late goals that were

decisive. actually and that is one that makes me think twice maybe stoppage time has its charm. and psychology show time for them at least strong. talk to himself before free kick he talked himself into scoring the decider how. to decide. to get done. by. professional footballers today don't just need to win on the pitch so in their heads the mental side of winning was neglected for a long time often it's more about that than anything else especially injury time

shows what's going on in players' heads sides before you can eat or. just. think of to think. on just what if you. eat talk to and. just months. went by and lost against man united psychology played a major part of the 11 in the 91st minute dealt a decisive blow by an players' side our heads were completely empty after an equaliser said michelle tanaka years after the final. even had more drastic words the $21.00 was like a big relief he remembers the prospect of having to play extra time felt too much of a burden for him. players think too much about consequences in injury time dissolution think about the here and now. and this is where you comes in again. he's

a master of late goals like it or not you have to give him credit. remember but on and there are 2013 champions league quarter final against when they scored 2 late goals with liverpool who produced one late show after the other you've got to excellent psychological preparation. we've been working on that for years says. he's a. mention. in short stoppage time decides which charges strongest and to break just abolish stoppage time and you'd get rid of real pieces of football. and finally you lose some real good drama. now what is good drama. surprise when one minute 95 a goal is scored not something you'd expect. contrast when that goal was scored by

a team with a man down and see delay but you don't know until the last minute if the defending world champions will crash out germany sweden at the wellcome 28000 head all this. sorry swedish fans here. ok keep yourself career jokes to yourself fair enough that was the next last minute drama only a couple of days later but one that went the other way to injury time containing some of the best drama you'll find out there sorry. you have good stuff too but can your crime series really compete with football. like the weirdest thriller on t.v. injury time can be a crash course in psychology that stays with you for a long time. and it's stoppage time when push comes to shove and players manage to handle pressure. and performed brilliantly it is simply also about good skills.

during injury time we do get to see stunning performances of the highest quality which clearly are also the result of excellent work. i am confused now physically we need time to introduce a stopwatch footballers to the floor where the clock doesn't stop when played. but should we really get rid of injury time which is often flawed subject to manipulate and opens doors to all sorts of unjustified if it suga only give up stuff not by a few and some people end up being useful something you notice of the end of it is a good it always gives up that for sure or just hang on to injury time the way it is now look at all the unbeatable drama that comes with it one of the main reasons we enjoy football. is the magic of football not to be found in its unique way of interpreting turning what do you think the. 7

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