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a powerful political face with seats in parliament and government my guest this week from beirut is one of its politicians musawi how does the self named party of god reconcile its very different activities. we welcome to conflicts around welcome to you thank you good morning 8 and 9 months oh of mass demonstrations against the political elite you included and nothing is changing where all the reforms that have been promised so many times in lebanon well this is a long story actually when you want to talk about the reforms in lebanon when you want to talk about the reforms and you have to talk about the events of the system we have been plagued by the most like of. political diseases of of my say.

and this is a long way to go actually it has to do with the confessional system it has to do with the economy that we follow or as we imposed it does not necessarily belong to the benefits of the people that's why we're going to continue to have this vicious cycle as long as we continue to stick to the same system that when you hear it was out there something i continue to do the same think you cannot expect our very young to result you've got to pass some responsibility for this is 100 because your party your movement you are king makers in the design of this so-called latest government of technocrats you also have seats in the cabinet so i ask where are the reforms why aren't you pushing for them you blame the system i'm asking a king about some point of having you in government if you don't bring it out ailments i'm talking i'm talking about the elements of this is stuff that has been going on going on for so many years i mean for decades now we have reached where we

reached we should be held responsible for what happened every about these are responsible for those who are in the government we are part of the government we don't deny what responsibility we have to embrace our photo responsibility of this we were there to take part in that a small responsibility but the still when you talk about the kind of reforms that we want to do they should be structural we are one component of the mosaic of components and constituencies in the lebanese society we take our share of the others has to take their responsibilities and they should be blamed for what they did there was a sense of urgency and now mr mousawi is there's a sense of great urgency now because of last week last week a financial advisor working with the government in talks with the i.m.f. he resigned saying there was no sign of noble of reform and he wouldn't go along with attempts to dismiss the size of losses in the financial system as he said which means he wasn't prepared to lie about the state of affairs he's home we shall all. now former advisor to the finance ministry and he said i've come to the

realize ation there is no genuine will to implement either reforms or a structuring of the banking sector why is there no will to reform you talk to me about all the problem if he says there's no will to do it you're not going to address them in the future as you did in the past we've been pushing hard we've been pushing and doing a lot of pushing the government to do actual structural reforms and what's happening i tell you yes that is a kind of car you. think the problem that our differences in the numbers and the estimates of the loss of the loss that's taking place in the financial in the economy level but the still do tell you that we are part of this government no we've been part of other governments before and we need to take a lot of sponsibility in this and be doing this about to tell you the truth we've been engaged in fighting with a few to groups along the border law and the east of lebanon and we've been engaged

also in fighting the israeli incursions and aggressions and. nevada looking at many israeli incursions for a very long time and have been there haven't been any israeli incursions so no no. so if you had been if you had been in parliament living in the consequences we have been we've been we've been fighting the continuous israeli incursions and. they have been a scary thing there are the elections for ourselves at the end and on the ground that even and see they are trying to blackmail lebanon for its share in the oil that we have reservoirs of oil in the sea so you're talking about a lot of threats that i think you could threats from the israeli side under doing up what is almost the most out way i'm talking about something like this when talking about the fact that you were in parliament since 1992 has been law in government since 2005 you will be enormous influence in lebanon and you've watched

the growing economic collapse and the corruption why why the corruption is getting worse transparency international's report last year showed 68 percent thought corruption had increased in the previous 12 months perhaps more shockingly 65 percent said they'd use you know personal connections when dealing with the courts of justice so your courts are now rotten you've been in government a very long time and you haven't managed to change anything you say you take your responsibility but there's a sense of urgency now and nothing is getting done no this is this is. ok ok this is something that should be addressed we are part of the government of this is questions that should be addressed to the whole government you're talking about a country we're talking about a state that 176 you're talking about more of the dozens of political parties we are part of this party as we've been busy doing other very important is that there's of things against existential threats from the israelis and the fact that is otherwise we're heavily engaged inside the nobody's politics you know before the

city and with the dollar from lebanon in 2005 the old governments were not part of the governments and this kind of system has been going going on for decades so you boys fire that have much if you hold fire over the government yes yes yes. look what you want you're going to decontextualized what happened we would imo be the 1st to have the thought of fighting the corruption we can we said that good option is that the pretty good at the list we fight the genuinely we are going to reach where we reach now the collapse of the lebanese it going to make system yeah you talk about a lot about your generation you talk a lot about corruption but nothing gets done. you know in november haasan those are all you know look at the quote on the letter nothing about just months he called on lebanese judges investigating corruption exact again with hezbollah he said if there's a case related to any person and hezbollah go ahead start with us if you don't be scared really is that

a genuine offer is this then you know this tells you that you are very straightforward this tells you that you have a straightforward on the transparent and very genuine and bracing visual issue we want it doesn't have time to tell anything of the saudis a break on the saudi it doesn't it doesn't say that god doesn't say that about we're talking about. their we're talking about judiciary system we're talking about the system that we want to reform you know the only thing that you can do is to bring good files to the judiciary in order to follow up the cases we have the problem in the dictionary we have a problem in the do the dishes the system of the problem of the political system a problem is going to go to make system we cannot simply hold someone but if you just want to build for what happened we take a lot of shit and we are trying to join forces with others in order to fight this corruption you tell me this is going to start let's dismiss the most out way you know out of because we need to have the most out we have sometimes rather so as additional benefits and i will point it out as i pointed out has done as well as

said start with us if there's anybody in hezbollah start with us you think people have forgotten with us if you don't think people have gotten what happened in 2008 when the government tried to remove your corrupt airport officials and closed down its illegal communication system what did you do you see east parts of beirut by force and you brought them to a virtual standstill the fact is you're just the same now as you were then show you might throw a few minor officials under the bus about but the top officials involved in corruption know never going to deal with them are you absolutely nothing about this is not the true actually i'm sorry to tell you that you have this information i don't know who told you this the officer was in the report it was not the. a person we'd have never supported and you could have a person of the other 2011 say the fellas is stuck with us if we called up we did not go love we did not fight on with the nazis bed with as you said because of the supporting corrupted people we did thus because we went the funding

a lot of distance because a very dangerous decision has been taken in order to cut off the then a communication of the resistance and you know when you fight an enemy like the israeli enemy was supremacy and the intent of communication you have to have your own channel to fight this enemy all right mr mousawi it upsets supporting corruption that sunday you use this let's let's talk about why you don't massive street protests that we've seen in lebanon in recent months one moment you seem to be listening to them then you claimed with no evidence that they were being exploited by the u.s. and israel and then last october you said you were thugs to beat up the demonstrators because they dared to criticize your leader absolutely not. i'm not i'm certain i'm sort of them i didn't i don't know you like that i'm not i don't know that you showed that we send our people do you have the proof it was widely reported at the time and we went against the you know about it and do something about widely you know the media. you want in the media i mean the media this is

a mis information there we don't make it out i can tell you i live mr mousawi i get up and i live it and i tell you. i tell you do it we are not part of those who suppress the people and we are with the masses we are with those who will demonstrate that we want to protect them we have the same issue actually we consider mr mousavi in december your supporters attacked an anti-government protest camp in central beirut and the army had to be called in to disperse the groups around the same time you and your allies from amal targeted other anti-government protest camps in different parts of lebanon so much for listening to the demonstrators and heeding their demands you beat them up. i can simply say this is not the true actually this genuinely was rationed by the people we were very happy to see that people came down to the streets in order to protest against all the corruption against what's happening we supported them and i can i

was part of this kind of the plot i see this kind of negotiations this kind of discussions with. people and some of our people went and they were they took part in these demonstrations and the end of this is the most the nation the ultimate goal that they want it is a very good goal actually we have supported it from the very beginning now after a few days some groups jump on the most traitors and try to use it for other political reasons not for the economy or financial reform of this is not to fight the corruption here was the problem when they started to attack the civil society and the civil public places in the government and forces in the field we have never attacked anyone of them. saying this you have to dissent better than i can tell you is the most our you know very well that this was widely reported at the time from respectable news agencies and respectable news organizations look the point is

right now the right part of what has been reported is not right as as always as always right now your as always well as always a claims as always the other job misreported you're always claim you're misreported . you must be a very misunderstood. we know no there is an agenda you know with our you know with from from superpowers the from regional powers which does it make us as a journalist and that if you come to a level on people millions of people support our cause we are a resistance movement fighting for our liberation from the israeli occupation fighting in order to. keep our country the integrity of the country the consistency of the country the dignity of the country and the liberation of the bandits of the country but you're absolutely right so far as the rest of the world is a little or

a lot of the world 'd is concerned you are talk sic you are widely labeled a terrorist group not just by the u.s. and u.k. but most of the arab world and the british government proscribed you're in tal going to ization last year and accused you of supporting terrorism in iraq and the palestinians territories so in the west eyes as well as most of the arab world then all of you are seen as terrorist how are you going to get money from the international community when you're part of the government seen as a terrorist group how do you expect lebanon to get money from the international community that it's about who needs this is the only story this is. this is a whole new story actually you start the from one place you subjugate the country your cute but you do you want to dictate your own policies you don't agenda against it if the people fight back for the servant the dignity you are stuck with this book a deal to stop with the seizures start with the sanctions out punishments if you say you know when you talk about the other boat on the out of systems of the of our

governments when you talk about solidarity because this is a democratic country or a democratic government that you are talking about most of the play with governments and the out of work they live with us as these that 8 days as the western government limit us this does not say much and if he has not got to be saying that this is the light or this is wrong if you out of the majority does not mean that you are the lights we photo of independence of 'd resistance against the occupation against they're going to make subjugation and that's why we start from the united states and you know money out of countries governments. puppets in the american house yeah well the funny thing is you need like the member of the needs western money and with you constantly threatening the united states they're not going to get it out of a lebanon is not going to get you in government if you're one of the big easy jobs if you can live by the united states. we are being victimized by the united states

the united states support israel the clashing the people the palestinians people rights that are rushing the palestinian people hopes in order to of a sudden state this is the united states of this is there was no they out of trying to annex the west bank you know that very well they annexed good on how it's you know that very well ok i'll give you an example what about egypt and jordan they have signed negotiations with the 3 thieves and they have signed peace treaties with israel according to the american and western when we come to the fact that you are an obstacle to getting the american and european law enforcement has spent years jotting your group of nuts on all subsequent actions of mary catherine to go you drug cartels and illegal money laundering operations stretching into africa and latin america you say you don't get involved in this kind of criminality chaffing trafficking narcotics is again those over those words you say that you say that evolution from some of your own people that they are you know in gauged in this

kind of criminal activity. if you have something if you have something on the record the few have real files come and show them we have always a challenge then a state and all those who you say that we are. we have that kind of collaboration with the criminal groups or money laundering or whatever come and show us you what evidences ok i have got you here's an example here's an example for you that has been used by the worst and here's an example for you let's take a man called check in at sue he pleaded guilty in august 2012 to providing material support as by law checked in to he pleaded guilty in august 2012 to providing material support for hezbollah conspiring to acquire anti-aircraft missiles and conspiring to import heroin into the u.s. you think he made that he pleaded guilty strange thing to do if he wasn't he pleaded guilty to doing that on your behalf you think do you think that this do you

think this is very this i can give you scores of examples around the united states like when they put someone in jail or put them under the 3rd that they can make files as much as they want the problem is that you are taking their eye states as an example exemplary model for transparency for authenticity for genuity there are layers about this actually really and that's your best dancer is a let's try joseph a smart man called joseph asma accused of trying to use his links to hezbollah to launder drug money he pleaded guilty in the u.s. to a money laundering conspiracy charge prosecutors said he boasted that he could use his hezbollah connections to provide security for drug shipments my question to you is what is the party of god doing so is offering security for illegal drugs. this is not listen this this is not if you want to have something like that this is not going to be discussed on the media you have to take it to the judiciary and lebanon we have

a judiciary system that we want to do for him he said i'll get these people had appointed not guilty what. yeah money people do the guilty actually but you can if you want the united states can make a whole population in pleading guilty i mean the american policy is they make the palestinian people plead guilty because they are fighting the compassion in israel why don't you take such issues you have the vehicle inspection izing the contextualizing shows they can come them from that is that it's a complex to put them and their loves and only in one part in one segment that will distort the image of so analysts estimate somewhere you're trying to you're trying to muddy the waters according to the drug enforcement agency has been increasingly relies on criminal revenue from the wider range of sources that include the lebanese diaspora group members affiliates etc the organization has even competed for money laundering contracts in the same manner as colombian drug cartels and

other criminal organizations so you belong with some shady new groups on the international crime scene don't you you can't you can't continue to mention all if you want to continue this episode as long as you want you can continue to mention as much as you want of examples but this is not going to change the truth that these are things are put in the most of the western media against hezbollah against any. resistance move against any resistance group in order to distort the image in order to justify and he suggests against that you asked for examples i gave you so let's talk if we may about your support for the assad government bashar al assad in syria despite its shocking disregard for human life especially civilians you could hardly claim ignorance of what they've been doing or don't you the party of god have anything to say about policies of rape torture and extermination that bashar

al assad and his forces have been carrying out you've got no principles no red lines as far as that sort of behavior is concerned. let me ask you about the western media about huge government of the western governments of the united states governments and what they did to the israelis who crushed the people every day who bought a star and who could buy parts of lebanon who could buy parts of the golan heights and who continue to occupy also they want to annex part of jordan parts of of other places i mean if we are asking those questions in other programs i'm talking to you about as i'm talking to you about hezbollah because you represent hezbollah and i'm on why you decide on not your support has been regime in syria that the faeries out extermination policies towards its own people will think of our cause we are fighting this we we will we will fight think that few groups who behead the people

who took the hearts of people who caused. the children who made an election this is we were fighting the taxi groups because their priority because they came and they got it against our part of the country you know we had a wide open actions against the north lebanon but on the downtown syrian the question mr mousawi no not on syria no a question about why you have on what is the question i actually hold and regime when we are in syria we have followed us i think we are going to speak with. we are we are if i think that vienna groups in syria fighting that theory groups who were sent to trained by the united states of america in the record it's their you know with even the american officials that it could not is that and they said that they made them mr those i will say that video game poison thing is that by lending mr assad you support you became complicit in everything he did and these are crimes

against humanity the u.n. high commissioner for human rights in syria i've got a torture chamber and you are complicit they are complicit with the with mohamed been said about all of those there are threats that this is making in yemen. the united states and britain and all governments who are complicit with like you and i do you keep changing the subject right now to change into such and yemen right you are not changing the subject i love a lot of your by people you are though you are trying to equate out you are trying to equate things and in a long way i want to hold you responsible you are it irresponsible place for what you are doing in other places now you are talking about the resistance movement to the president only a small size of the about his government and you want to hold the responsible for all the evils in the region while you want to wash your hands from all the atrocities are holding you responsible for the evils just just of once he was in government just the ones that you were involved in and not everybody in your group is happy about your support for syria shaikh so be to faily who was

a leader of hezbollah said a few years ago hezbollah should not be defending the create criminal or a hidden sense that kills its own people. now can i just finish the question you and i just had a very question mr mousawi age one can i can i just say that is the question this is an individual person you're talking about can i just finish the question you said hezbollah should not leave his identity criminal regime that kills its own people and that has never fired a shot in the defense of the palestinians those hezbollah fighters who are killing children and terrorizing people and destroying houses in syria will go to hell and cannot be considered as martyrs. how do you respond to the talking about one individual subject find you're not talking about you're talking about one individual some have tried to get a presence only himself if you are to present himself this is one thing he is an enemy to hezbollah because he was the leader of the need is a low no this is one thing of the i can bring you scores of other officials that do

not agree or condone what the western governments do is does this make sense to you in the same track as well moussavi you haven't answered the question we're running out of time let me just give you a final question we know that lebanon is fragile. the how to fight child is that i'm not sure he well how fragile is the country and what is the danger of a new civil war in lebanon. as long as the americans continue their plots of conspiracies as long as they continue their siege against the government as long as they want to punish the holy about these people not on the hezbollah this is going to continue to be a crisis for heaven on but we're not on the verge of the over 7 wote it's not like that you're talking now about the last phase of the american west and conspiracy against the country they were not able to defeat hezbollah in 2006 not before now they have moved into this sanctions and to this siege and to this embargo into this

located against lebanon ok so it's not so hidden and so it's out of the whole the west it was a fold it's all the west for mr mousawi if it was so we thank you very much for being on conflict. pleasure pleasure pleasure.

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