literature invites us to see people in particular. i like to see myself as the kids find strength grow grow. my own objective america is to share with a fine beautiful. she does leave books on youtube. things are put in but most of the media against hezbollah may have been engaged also if i think these are the elite incursions aggressions money out of companies government these are pockets in the american lebanon's hezbollah movement to use condemned as a terrorist group by many countries including the us and most arab states but it also has a powerful political face with seats in parliament and government my guest this week from beirut is one of its politicians musawi how does the self named party of

god reconcile its very different activities. we welcome to conflicts around welcome to you thank you good morning 89 months of mass demonstrations against the political elite you included and nothing is changing where are the reforms that have been promised so many times in lebanon well this is a long story actually when you want to talk about the reforms in lebanon when you want to talk about the reforms in lebanon you have to talk about the elements of the system we have been plagued by the most like of ailments and political diseases of my say and this is a long way to go actually it has to do with the confessional system it has to do with the economy that we follow or imposed it does not necessarily belong

to the benefit of the people that's why we're going to continue to have this vicious cycle as long as we're going to you know to stick to the same system you know what you you it was hard it is something i continue to do the same think you've got to expect our very young to result you know you better some responsibility for this is what i don't because. your party your movement you were king makers in the design of this so-called latest government of technocrats you also have seats in the cabinet so i ask where are the reforms why aren't you pushing for them you blame the system i'm asking about some point of having you in government if you don't bring it out ailments i'm talking talking about the elements of this is stuff that has been going on going on for so many years i mean for decades now we have reached we should be held responsible for what happened every about these are responsible for those who were in the government we are part of the government we don't deny

a lot of sponsibility we have to embrace our full responsibility in this we were there to take part in that a small responsibility but the still when you talk about the kind of reforms that we want to do they should be structural we are one component of the mosaic of components of course the u.s. is in the lebanese society we take our share of the others have to take their responsibilities and they should be blamed for what they did there was a sense of urgency and now mr mousawi is there's a sense of greater urgency now because of last week last week a financial advisor working with the government in talks with the i.m.f. he resigned saying there was no sign of note of reform and he wouldn't go along with attempts to dismiss the size of losses in the financial system as he said which means he wasn't prepared to lie about the state of affairs he's home. now former advisor to the finance ministry and he said i've come to the realisation there is no genuine will to implement either reforms or a structuring of the banking sector why is there no will to reform you talk to me

about all the problem if he says there's no will to do it you're not going to address them in the future as you did in the past we've been pushing hard we've been pushing and doing a lot of pushing the government to do actual and structural reforms and what's happening. i tell you yes that is a kind of car use in diagnosing the problem that are differences in the numbers and the estimates of the loss of the loss that's taking place in the financial in the economy level but the still do tell you that we are a product of this government now will be part of other governments before. we are ready to take a lot of sponsibility in this and be doing this about to tell you the truth we've been engaged in fighting with a few groups along the border line in the east of lebanon and we've been engaged also in fighting the israeli incursions and aggressions and. you know that a lot many israeli incursions for

a very long time have been i haven't seen any israeli incursions so no no. so if you have been a human being in parliament living in the consequences we have been we've been we've been fighting the continuous israeli incursions and. they have been a scary thing there are the elections for our sovereignty and on the ground that even and see they are trying to blackmail lebanon for its share in the oil that we have reservoirs of oil in the sea so you're talking about a lot of threats that i think you could lead to from here is that really side under doing up a lot islam is the most sought way i'm talking about something like one talking about the fact that you were in parliament since $992.00 has been a law in government since 2005 you will be enormous influence in lebanon and you've watched the growing economic collapse and the corruption why why the corruption is getting worse transparency international's report last year showed 68 percent

thought corruption had increased in the previous 12 months perhaps more shockingly 65 percent said they'd use you know personal connections when dealing with the courts of justice so your courts are now rotten you've been in government a very long time and you haven't managed to change anything you say you take your responsibility but there's a sense of urgency now and nothing is getting done no this is this is. ok ok this is something that should be addressed we are part of the government of this is questions that should be addressed to the whole government you're talking about 'd a country we're talking about a state that 'd 176 you're talking about more of the dozens of political parties were part of this party's we've been busy doing other very important is that there's huge things against existential threats from the israelis and the fact that it is others we're heavily engaged inside the bodies politics you know before the city and with the dollar from lebanon in 2005 the old governments were not part of the governments and this kind of system has been going going on for decades so you

voice firelit have much if you hold fire over the government yes yes yes. look what you want you're going to decontextualized what happened we will hold the 1st to have the thought of fighting the corruption we can we said that good option is that the pretty good at the list we fight the genuinely we are going to reach where we reach now the collapse of the everybody's going to make system yeah you talk about a lot about your generation you talk a lot about corruption but nothing gets done. you know in november haasan those are all you know you don't let the nazis out just a month he called on lebanese judges investigating corruption exact again with hezbollah he said if there's a case related to any person who has been go ahead start with us if you don't be scared really is not a genuine often does this tell you in this. very straightforward this tells you that you are a straight forward on the transparent and very genuine and bracing vision we want

it doesn't have doesn't tell anything of the saudis everyone was a saudi it doesn't it doesn't say that god doesn't say that about we're talking about. their we're talking about the system we're talking about the system that we want to reform you know the only thing that you can do is to bring your files to the judiciary in order to follow up the cases we have the problem in the dictionary we have a problem in the do the dishes the system of the problem of the political system a problem in the going to go to make system we cannot simply hold someone but if you just most of it for what happened we take a lot of shit and we are trying to join forces with others in order to fight this corruption you tell me the mr going to start let's dismiss the most out way you've got a lot of because we need to have the most out we have sometimes rather so i added additional benefits and i will point it out as i pointed out as and as alice said start with us if as anybody and hezbollah start with us you think people have forgotten with us because people have thought often what happened in 2008 when the

government tried to remove your corrupt airport officials and closed down its illegal communication system what did you do you seized parts of beirut by force and you brought them to a virtual standstill the fact is you're just the same now as you were then show you might throw a few minor officials under the bus stop but the top officials involved in corruption know never going to deal with them are you a political enough throughout this is not the true actually i'm sorry to tell you that you have this information i don't know who told you this the officer was in the report it was not a coup. a person we have never supported and you could have a person of the other 2011 say the fellas is stuck with us if we go up we did not go love we did not fight on with nazis bad with as you said because of the supporting corrupted people we did thus because we wear the funding a lot of distance because a very dangerous this is and has been taken in order to cut of the telecommunications of the resistance and you know when you fight an enemy like the

israeli enemy was supremacy and they are at that communication you have to have your own channel to fight this enemy all right mr masel wait object support think what option that suddenly you use this actually let's let's talk about why you don't massive street protests that we've seen in lebanon in recent months one moment you seem to be listening to them then you claimed with no evidence that they were being exploited by the us and israel and then last october you said you were thugs to beat up the demonstrators because they had to criticize your leaders absolutely not little enough i'm not i'm certain i'm sort of them i didn't i don't know you like that i'm not i don't know that you showed that we send our people do you have the proof for that it was widely reported that one of the time we went against the in october and just said widely you know the media sure you want in the media i'm in the media this is a misinformation there we don't make it out i can tell you i live mr moussawi nobody queued up i live here i tell you. i tell you do it we are not part

of those who suppress the people we are with the masses we are with those who are the ones that i think we want to protect them we have the same issue actually we consider mr mousavi in december your supporters attacked an anti-government protest camp in central beirut and the army had to be called in to disperse the groups around the same time you and your allies from amal targeted other anti-government protest camps in different parts of lebanon so much for listening to the demonstrators and heeding their dumond's you beat them up. i can simply say this is not the true actually this genuine there was tension by the people who we were very happy to see that people came down to the streets in order to protest against all the corruption against what's happening we supported them and i can i was part of this kind of the blood i see this kind of negotiations this kind of discussions with them our people and some of our people went and they were

they took part in these demonstrations and the end of this is almost the nation the ultimate goal that they wanted is a very good goal actually we have supported it from the very beginning now after a few days some groups jump on the most traitors and try to use it for other political reasons not for the economy or financial reform of the system not to fight the corruption on the hill was the problem when they started to attack the civil society in the civil public places in the governmental forces in the field we have never attacked anyone of them. here this you saying this you have to search better than i can tell you is the most our you know very well that this was widely reported at the time from respectable news agencies and respectable news organizations look the point is right now the right part of what has been reported is not right as as always as always right now your

as always well as always a claims as always the thing about your misreported you're always trying meal misreported. you must be a very misunderstood. we know no there is an agenda you know with our you know with from from superpowers the from regional powers which does it make us as a journalist and that if you come to debate on people millions of people support our cause we are a resistance movement fighting for our liberation from the israeli occupation fighting in order to. keep our country the integrity of the country the consistency of the country the dignity of the country of the liberation of the bandits of the country but you're absolutely right so far as the rest of the world is a war a lot of the world is concerned you are toxic you are widely labeled a terrorist group not just by the u.s. and u.k. but most of the arab world and the british government prescribed you're in town or

going to ization last year and accused you of supporting terrorism in iraq and the palestinians territories so in the west eyes as well as most of the arab world then all of you are seen as terrorists how you're going to get money from the international community when you're part of the government seen as a terrorist group how do you expect lebanon to get money from the international community that it's about who needs this is the whole a story this is. this is a whole new story actually you start the from one place to subjugate they come 3. and you'll want to dictate your own policies you don't agenda against it if the people fight back for the servant the dignity will stop with this book a duty to stop with the siege to stop with the sanctions out punishments if you say you know when you talk about the other boat on the up systems of the of our governments when you talk about solidarity because this is a democratic country or a democratic government that you are talking about most of the. governments and the

out of work they live with us as these and i it is as the western government label us this does not say much and if he has not got to be saying that this is the right or this is wrong if you out of the majority does not mean that you out of lights we photo of independence of resistance against the occupation against they're going to make subjugation that's why we are in a bit of stuff from the united states and you know money out of countries governments put the puppets in the american house yeah well the fact that you need to like the method than needs western money and with you constantly threatening the united states they're not going to get it out of a lebanon is not going to get you in government if you are one of the biggest the largest by the united states. we are being victimized by the united states the united states support israel without causing the palestinians people rights that are rushing the palestinian people hopes in order to obvious of it in the state this is the united states and this is there was no they out of trying to annex the

west bank you know that very well they next good on how it's you know that very well ok i'll give you an example what about egypt and jordan they have signed negotiations with the and they have signed peace treaties with israel according to the american and western women and to the fact that you are an obstacle to getting the american and european law enforcement has spent years jotting with your group not at all some suggestions of many catriona no you drug cartels and illegal money laundering operations stretching into africa and latin america you say you don't get involved in this kind of criminality chaffing trafficking not call to get those over those words you say that you say that evolution's from some of your own people that they are you know in gauged in this kind of criminal activity. if you have something good if you have something on the record a few have real files come and show them we have always

a challenge the interstates and all those who you say that we are. we have that kind of collaboration with the criminal groups or money laundering or whatever 'd come and show us you would evidences ok i have not use an example here's an example for you that has been used by the western here's an example for you let's take a man called chechen aksu he pleaded guilty in august 2012 to providing material support as by law chechen aksu he pleaded guilty in august 2012 to providing material support for hezbollah conspiring to acquire anti aircraft missiles and conspiring to import heroin into the us you think he made that he pleaded guilty strange thing to do if he wasn't he pleaded guilty to doing that on your behalf you think do you think that this do you think this is very this i can give you scores of examples from the united states like when they put someone in jail or put them under the 3rd that they can make files as much as they want the

problem is that you are taking their eyes states as an example example of a model for transparency for authenticity for genuity that lawyers about this actually really and that's your best dancer is a let's try joseph a smart man called joseph asma accused of trying to use his links to hezbollah to launder drug money he pleaded guilty in the u.s. to a money laundering conspiracy charge prosecutors said he boasted that he could use his hezbollah connections to provide security for drug shipments my question to you is what is the party of god doing this is offering security for illegal drugs. this is not listen this is this is not so if you want to have something like that this is not going to be discussed on the media you have to take it to the judiciary and lebanon we have a judiciary system that we want to do for him he said you will get these people have a pleaded not guilty. yeah money people do the gold they actually have been there

you can if you want the united states can make a whole population of pleading guilty i mean the american policy is they make the palestinian people plead guilty because they are fighting the occupation in israel why don't you take such issues you have did because the actual izing the contextualizing issues they can come them from their historical context to put them and their labs and only in one part in one segment that will distort their image up so analyst mr mossad where you're trying to you're trying to muddy the waters according to the drug enforcement agency has been increasingly relies on criminal revenue from the wider range of sources that include the lebanese diaspora group members affiliates etc the organization is even competed for money laundering contracts in the same manner as colombian drug cartels and other criminal organizations so you belong with some shady new groups on the international crime scene don't you you can. continue to mention all if you want to continue this

episode as long as you want you can continue to mention as much as you want of examples but this is not going to change the truth that these are things are put in the most of the western media against hezbollah against any. resistance move against any resistance group in order to distort the image in order to justify and he sang gens against it you asked for examples i gave you so let's talk if we may about your support for the assad government bashar al assad in syria despite its shocking disregard for human life especially civilians you could hardly claim ignorance of what they've been doing or don't you the party of god have anything to say about policies of rape torture and extermination that bashar al assad and his forces have been carrying out you've got no principles no red lines as far as that sort of behavior is concerned. let me ask you about the western media about huge

government of the western governments of the united states governments and what they did to the israelis who crush the people every day who start and who could buy parts of lebanon who buy parts of the golan heights and who continue to occupy also they want to annex part of jordan parts of of other places i mean if we ask those questions in other programs i'm talking to you about hezbollah i'm talking to you about hezbollah because you represent hezbollah and i'm on why you decide on what you support hezbollah regime in syria that the faeries out extermination policies towards its own people will think of our cause we are fighting we we'll we will fight think that few groups who beheaded people who took the hearts of people who caused the the children who made an election this is we were fighting the taxi groups it is a priority because they came and they gave it

a good actions against our part of the country you know we had a wide open actions against the north lebanon but on the downtown syrian the question mr herzog we know not on syria now a question about why you say i'm on what i think the question i actually holds and regime when we're in syria we don't follow the rules i mean i'm going to speak with . we are we are if i think that vienna groups in syria fighting that theory groups who were sent to trained by the united states of america in their record it's their you know with even the american officials that it could not is that and they said that they made them mr those i will state that it could be important thing is that by lending mr assad's your support you became complicit in everything he did and these are crimes against humanity the u.n. high commissioner for human rights in syria got up and said a torture chamber you are complicit they are complicit with the with mohamed been

said about all of those there are threats that this is making in yemen. the united states and britain and all governments who are complicit with like you and i do you keep changing the subject might not even change into such and yemen right you are not changing the subject i love a lot of you know i pull your though you are trying to equate out you are trying to equate things and in a long way i want to hold you responsible you out it irresponsible place for what you are doing in other places now you are talking about the resistance movement to the president only a small size of that about his government and you want to hold that responsible for all the evils in the region while you want to wash your hands from all the atrocities that are holding you responsible for the evils just just loved ones there were some government just the ones that you were involved in and not everybody in your group is happy about your support for syria shake so be to faily who was a leader of hezbollah said a few years ago hezbollah should not be defending the create criminal or

a hitler sense that kills its own people you know can i just finish the question who can i just religious question is the messiah which one can i can i just finish the rest of this is that individual person you're talking about when i just finished the question he said hezbollah should not leave is adding to them in the regime that kills its own people and that has never fired a shot in the defense of the palestinians those hezbollah fighters who are killing children and terrorizing people and destroying houses in syria will go to hell and cannot be considered as martyrs. how do you respond to the talking about one individual support fund you're not talking about you're talking about one individual so he thought he had a presence only himself if he to present himself this is one thing he's an enemy to hezbollah because he was the leader of the need is a low no this is one thing got the i can bring you scores of other officials that do not agree or condone what the western governments do is does this make sense to you in the same track as when i was sorry you haven't answered the question we're

running out of time let me just give you a final question we know that lebanon is fragile. the how to fight child is that i'm not sure he well how fragile is the country and what is the danger of a new civil war in lebanon. as long as long as the americans continue their plots of conspiracies as long as they continue their siege against the government as long as they want to punish the holy about these people not on the hezbollah this is going to continue to be a crisis for 11 on but we're not on the verge of the over 7 wote it's not like that you're talking now about the last phase of the american west and conspiracy against the country they were not able to defeat hezbollah in 2006 not before now they have moved into this sanctions and to this siege and to this in but go into this look a that against lebanon ok so it's not so it was an example of the whole the west it was a fold it's all the west for mr mousawi was so we thank you very much for being on

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