back africa's most successful radio drama series continues in the only pursuits are available on my course you can share and discuss on w because facebook and other social media platforms. things are put in but most of the. media against hezbollah move being engaged also in fighting the is that even the. money out of companies got must. be american lebanon's hezbollah movement to condemn it as a terrorist group by many countries including the us and most arab states but it also has a powerful political face with seats in parliament and government my guest this week from beirut is one of its politicians are we how does the self-made party of

god reconcile its very different activities. we welcome to conflicts around welcome to you thank you good morning 8 and 9 months oh of mass demonstrations against the political elite you included and nothing is changing where are the reforms that have been promised so many times in lebanon well this is a long story actually when you want to talk about the reforms in lebanon when you want to talk about the reforms and you have to talk about the elements of the system we have been plagued by the most like of ailments and political diseases apart my say and this is a long way to go actually it has to do with the confessional system it has to do with the economy that we follow. it does not necessarily belong

to the benefits of the people that's why we're going to continue to have this vicious cycle as long as we continue to stick to the same system that when you hear it was part of their summit i continue to do the same thing you cannot expect the very end the result you get you pass some responsibility for this is 100 because your party your movement you are king makers in the design of this so-called latest government of technocrats you also have seats in the cabinet so i ask where are the reforms why aren't you pushing for them you blame the system i'm asking about some ways of having you in government if you don't bring it out ailments i'm talking i'm talking about the elements of this is stuff that has been gone going on for so many years i mean for decades now we have reach where we reached we should be held responsible for what happened every about these are responsible those who are in the government we are part of the government we don't deny our responsibility we

have to embrace our full responsibility of this we were there to take part in that a small responsibility but the still when you talk about the kind of reforms that we want to do they should be structural we are one component of the mosaic of components of course the u.s. is in the lebanese society we take our share of others has to take their responsibilities and they should be blamed for what they did here when there is a sense of urgency now mr mousawi is that there's a sense of greater urgency now because of last week last week a financial advisor working with the government in talks with the i.m.f. he resigned saying there was no sign of no one for reform and he wouldn't go along with attempts to dismiss the size of losses in the financial system as he said which means he wasn't prepared to lie about the state of affairs he's home we shall all now former advisor to the finance ministry and he said i've come to the realisation there is no genuine will to implement either reforms or a structuring of the. why is there no will to reform you talk to me about all the

problem if he says there's no will to do it you're not going to address them in the future as you did in the process we've been pushing hard we've been pushing and doing a lot of pushing the government to do actual structural reforms and what's happening i tell you yes that is a kind of cut. in diagnosing the problem that our differences in the numbers and the estimates of the loss of the loss that's taking place in the financial in the economy level but the still i do tell you that we are part of this government will be part of other governments before and we need to take a lot of sponsibility in this and be doing this about the tell you the truth we've been engaged in fighting the creator groups along the border lion in the east of lebanon and we've been engaged also in fighting the israeli incursions and aggressions and. nevada looking at many israeli incursions for

a very long time and have been i haven't seen any israeli incursions so no no. so if you had been if you had been in parliament living in the consequences we've been we've been we've been fighting the continuous israeli incursions and. they have been a scary thing they are the only nation for our sovereignty and on the ground that even and see they are trying to blackmail lebanon for its share in the oil that we have reservoirs of oil in the sea so you're talking about a lot of threats that i think you could threats from the israeli side are you doing up a lot is almost the mossad way i'm talking about something i'm talking about the fact that you were in parliament since 1992 has been law in government since 2005 you willed enormous influence in lebanon and you've watched the growing economic collapse and the corruption why why the corruption is getting worse transparency international's report last year showed 68 percent thought corruption had increased

in the previous 12 months perhaps more shockingly 65 percent said they'd use you know personal connections when dealing with the courts of justice so your courts are now rotten you've been in government a very long time and you haven't managed to change anything you say you take your responsibility but there's a sense of urgency now and nothing is getting done no this is this is. ok ok this is something that should be addressed we are part of the government of this is questions that should be addressed to the whole government you're talking about a country we're talking about a state that 176 you're talking about more of the dozens of political parties we are part of this parties we've been busy doing other very important this that is it things against existential threats from the israelis and the fact that it is others we're heavily engaged inside the nobody's politics you know before the city and with a lot of from lebanon in 2005 the old governments were not part of the governments and this kind of system has been going going on for decades so you boys fire that

haven't you your whole fire of the government yes yes yes. look what you want you're going to decontextualized what happened we would imo be the 1st to have the thought of fighting the corruption we can we said that good option is that a pretty good at the list we fight the genuinely we are going to reach where we reach now the collapse of the lebanese economic system yeah you talk about a lot about your generation you talk a lot about corruption but nothing gets done. you know in november haasan those are all your lives don't let the nazis out just he called on lebanese judges investigating corruption exact again with hezbollah he said if there's a case related to any person and hezbollah go ahead start with hours of don't be scared really is not a genuine offer is this tell you this tells you the very straightforward this tells you that you have a straightforward on the transparent and very genuine and bracing the issue we want

it doesn't it doesn't tell anything of the saudis it breaks down the saudi it doesn't it doesn't say that god doesn't say that about we're talking about. their we're talking about judiciary system we're talking about the system that we want to reform the only thing that you can do is to bring beautifies to the judiciary in order to follow up the cases we have the problem in the dictionary we have a problem in the do the dishes the system of the problem of the political system a problem it couldn't go to make system we cannot simply hold someone but the responsible for what happened we take our shit and we are trying to join forces with others in order to fight this corruption you tell me this going to start let's dismiss the most our way here go out because we need to have the most out we have sometimes rather so i added additional benefits and i will point out as i pointed out has another list said start with us if there's anybody and hezbollah start with us you think people have forgotten with us because people have thought often what happened in 2008 when the government tried to remove your corrupt airport officials

and closed down its illegal communication system what did you do you see east parts of beirut by force and you brought them to a virtual standstill the fact is you're just the same now as you were then show you might throw a few minor officials under the bus the bus that the top officials involved in corruption know never going to deal with them are you a political enough to have this is not the true actually i'm sorry to tell you that 3 you have this information i don't know who told you this the officer was in the report it was not the. well a person we'd have never supported and you could have a person of the other 2011 say those little essays stuck with us if we called up we did not go love we did not fight on with the nazis bed with as you said because of the supporting corrupted people we did thus because be with the funding a lot of distance because a very dangerous this is and has been taken in order to cut off the then he communication of the resistance and you know when you fight an enemy like the

israeli enemy who are supremacy and they are in telecommunication you have to have your own channel to fight this enemy all right mr mousawi supporting corruption that sudden you use this let's let's talk about why you don't massive street protests that we've seen in lebanon in recent months one moment you seem to be listening to them then you claimed with no evidence that they were being exploited by the u.s. and israel and then last october you said you were thugs to beat up the demonstrators because they dared to criticize your leader absolutely not absolutely not i'm not i'm certain i'm sort of them i didn't i don't know you like the i'm not i don't know that the 2 showed that we send our people do have the proof it was widely reported at the time when we went against the in october and december widely you know the media show you what in the media i mean the media this is a misinformation there we don't make it out i can tell you i live mr mousawi i get up i live it i tell you. i tell you do it we are not part of those

who suppress the people and we are with the masses we are with those who are the ones that i think we want to protect them we have the same issue actually we consider mr mousavi in december your supporters attacked an anti-government protest camp in central beirut and the army had to be called in to disperse the groups around the same time you and your allies from amal targeted other anti-government protest camps in different parts of lebanon so much for listening to the demonstrators and heating their demands you beat them up. i can simply say this is not the true actually this genuine there was the nation by the people who we were very happy to see that people came down to the streets in order to protest against all the corruption against what's happening we supported them and i can i was part of this kind of the privacy this kind of negotiations this kind of discussions with them our people and some of our people went and they were

they took part in these demonstrations and the end of this is the most the nation the ultimate goal that they want it is a very good goal actually we have supported it from the very beginning now after a few days some groups jump on the most traitors and try to use it for other political reasons not for the economy or financial reform of this is not to fight the corruption here was the problem when they started to attack the civil society the civil public places of the governmental forces in the field we have never attacked anyone of them. here this saying this you have to search better than i can tell you is there was some way you know very well that this was widely reported at the time from respectable news agencies and respectable news organizations look the point is right now the right part of what has been reported is not right as as

always as always right now your as always what i was always a claim that as always the other job misreported you you always claim your misreported. you must be a very misunderstood. we know no there is an agenda you know with our you know with from from superpowers the from regional powers which does a great us as a journalist and that if you come to debate on people millions of people support our cause we are a resistance movement fighting for our liberation from the israeli occupation fighting in order to. keep our country the indignity of the country the consistency of the country the dignity of the country of the liberation of the bandits of the country but are absolutely right so far as the rest of the world is a little or a lot of the world 'd is concerned you are talk sic you are widely labeled a terrorist group not just by the u.s. and u.k. but most of the arab world and the british government proscribed you're in town or

going to ization last year and accused you of supporting terrorism in iraq and the palestinians territories so in the west eyes as well as most of the arab world then all of you are seen as terrorist how are you going to get money from the international community when you are part of the government seen as a terrorist group how do you expect lebanon to get money from the international community that it's about who needs this is the only story this is. this is a whole new story actually you start the from one place to subjugate the country you'll kill but you do you'll want to dictate your own policies your own agenda against that if the people fight back full of the civil and the dignity you stop with this book aids the stop with the seizure stop with the sanctions out punishments if you say you know when you talk about the out of bullets of the out of systems of the of our governments when you talk about saudi arabia is this a democratic country or a democratic government that you are talking about most of the. governments of the

out of what they live but us as these that it is as the western government label us this does not say much and if he has not got to be saying that this is the light or this is wrong if you out of the majority does not mean that you out of life we have photo of independence of 'd resistance against the occupation against they're going to make subjugation that's what i mean stuff from the united states and you know money out of countries governments. puppets in the american house yeah well the funny thing is you need like the member of the needs western money and with you constantly threatening the united states they're not going to get it out of a lebanese is not going to get you in government if you're one of the biggest the largest by the united states. we are being victimized by the united states the united states support israel that the crushing the palestinians people rights that are rushing the palestinian people hopes in order to have a southern state this is the united states and this is there was no they are trying

to annex the west bank you know that very well they annexed good on how it's you know that very well ok i'll give you an example what about egypt and jordan they have signed negotiations with the 3 thieves and they have signed peace treaties with israel according to the american and western women and to the fact that you are an obstacle to getting the american and european law enforcement has spent years jotting your group not some suggestions of mary catherine told you drug cartels and illegal money laundering operations stretching into africa and latin america you say you don't get involved in this kind of criminality chaffing trafficking not call to get those over those words you say that you say that you have illusions from some of your own people that they are you know in gauged in this kind of criminal activity. if you have something good if you have something on the record the few have real files come and show them we have always

a challenge then a states and all those who you say that we are. we have that kind of collaboration with the criminal groups or money laundering or whatever come and show us you what evidences ok i have got you here's an example here's an example for you that has been used by the western here's an example for you let's take a man called chechen aksu he pleaded guilty in august 2012 to providing material support as well are chechen aksu he pleaded guilty in august 2012 to providing material support for hezbollah conspiring to acquire anti aircraft missiles and conspiring to import heroin into the us you think he made that he pleaded guilty strange thing to do if he wasn't he pleaded guilty to doing that on your behalf you think do you think that it is do you think this is very the i can give you scores of examples from the united states like when they put someone in jail or put them under the 3rd that they can make files as much as they want the

problem is that you are taking their eye states as an example example of the model for transparency for authenticity for genuine at the there are layers about this actually really and that's your best dancer is a let's try joseph a smart man called joseph asma accused of trying to use his links to hezbollah to launder drug money he pleaded guilty in the u.s. to a money laundering conspiracy charge prosecutors said he boasted that he could use his hezbollah connections to provide security for drug shipments my question to you is what is the party of god doing is offering security for illegal drugs. this is not listen this is this is not if you want to have something like that this is not going to be discussed of me that you have to take it to the judiciary and lebanon we have a judiciary system that we want to do for him. so you see people have pleaded not guilty what. yeah money people do the guilty actually but you can if you want the

united states can make a whole population pleading guilty i mean the very company says they make the palestinian people plead guilty because they are fighting the compassion in israel why don't you take such issues you have did because the actual izing the contextualizing issues they can come them from that historical context to put them and their loves and the only in one part in one segment that will distort their image i'm so and mr mr mousawi you're trying to you're trying to muddy the waters according to the drug enforcement agency has been increasingly relies on criminal revenue from the wider range of sources that include the lebanese diaspora group members affiliates etc the organization has even competed for money laundering contracts in the same manner as colombian drug cartels and other criminal organizations so you belong with some shady new groups on the international crime scene don't you you can't you can't continue to mention all if you want to continue

this episode as long as you want you can continue to mention as much as you want of examples but this is not going to change the truth that these are things are put in the most of the western media against hezbollah against any. resistance move against any resistance group in order to distort the image in order to justify and he sang gens against it you asked for examples i gave you so let's talk if we marry about your support for the assad government bashar al assad in syria despite its shocking disregard for human life especially civilians you could hardly claim of what they've been doing or don't you the party of god have anything to say about policies of rape torture and extermination that bashar al assad and his forces have been carrying out you've got no principles no red lines as far as that sort of behavior is concerned. let me ask you about the western media and about huge

government of the western governments of the united states governments and what they did to the israelis who crushed the people every day who start and who pipe parts of lebanon who by parts of the golan heights and who continue to occupy also they want to annex part of jordan parts of of other places i mean if we are asking us questions in other programs i'm talking to you or not as i'm talking to you about hezbollah because you represent hezbollah and i'm on why you decide on what you support hezbollah regime in syria that the fairies out extermination policies towards its own people will think about because we are fighting we we we were fighting taxi to groups who beheaded people who took the hearts of people who caused the the children who made an election this is we were fighting the taxi to groups it is a priority because they came and they got it against our part of the country you

know we had a wide open actions against the north lebanon but on the downtown searing the question mr herzog we know not on syria now a question about why you say i'm on what is the question i actually hold and regime when we're in syria we'll follow the news i think you know i'm going to speak with . we are we are if i think that vienna groups in syria fighting that theory groups who were sent to trained by the united states of america in their record it's their you know with even the american officials that acknowledge that and they said that they made the mr the south wales that video could be important thing is that by lending mr assad's you support you became complicit in everything he did and these are crimes against humanity the u.n. high commissioner for human rights in syria got up and said a torture chamber they are complicit they are complicit with the with mohamed been

said about all of those there are 3 cities he is making in yemen. the united states and britain and all governments who are complicit with like you and i do you keep changing the subject we're going to change into such a yemen why do you not changing the subject i love a lot of your i pull you though you are trying to equate out you are trying to equate things and in a long way i want to hold you responsible you out it irresponsible place for what you are doing in other places now you are talking about a resistance movement to the president only a small size of that about his government and you want to hold that responsible for all the evils in the region while you want to wash your hands from all the atrocities that are holding you responsible for the evils just just loved ones there were some government just the ones that you were involved in and not everybody in your group is happy about your support for syria shake so be to faily who was a leader of hezbollah said a few years ago hezbollah should not be defending the create criminal or

a hitler sense that kills its own people. now can i just finish the question who can i just read it is western is the messiah which one can i can i just finish the rest of this is that individual person you are talking about can i just finish the question you said hezbollah should not leave you finding peace criminal regime that kills its own people and that has never fired a shot in the defense of the palestinians those hezbollah fighters who are killing children and terrorizing people and destroying houses in syria will go to hell and cannot be considered as martyrs. how do you respond to the talking about one individual supply and you're not talking about you're talking about one individual some have tried to get a presence only himself if he were to present himself this is one thing he's an enemy to hezbollah because he was the leader of that he is alone no this is one thing of the i can bring you scores of other officials that do not agree or condone what the western governments do is does this make sense to you in the same track as

well moussavi you haven't answered the question we're running out of time let me just give you a final question we know that lebanon is fragile. child is that i'm not sure he well how fragile is the country and what is the danger of a new civil war in lebanon. as long as long as the americans continue their plots of conspiracies as long as they continue their siege against the government as long as they want to punish the holy about these people not on the hezbollah this is going to continue to be a crisis for lebanon but we're not on the verge of the over 7 wote it's not like that you are talking now about the last phase of the american west and conspiracy against the country they were not able to defeat hezbollah in 2006 not before now they have moved into this sanctions into this siege and to this embargo into this look a that against lebanon ok so it's not so it was an example of the whole the west it was a fault it's all the west for mr mousawi we thank you very much for being on conflicts

. pleasure pleasure. thanks.

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