tv Conflict Zone Deutsche Welle July 2, 2020 7:30pm-8:01pm CEST
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video and audio. any time to anywhere and. wu said. i. am not proud of them they will not succeed in dividing us so that our not succeed in taking the people off the streets because we are tired of this dictatorship. taking a stand global leaders that matters d. w. made for mines. so who looks after the interests of the poor something of the b j p is it. one thing you don't like them that started. on you managed to remove a judge who was asking open questions about your politicians that's the sum of it isn't it india's government is in the firing line goes home and abroad accused of badly handling the coronavirus chipping away of democracy and lying about
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a recent battle between its own troops and chinese forces in the far north my guest this week from new delhi is sudan church of 80 a member of the upper house of parliament and a national spokesperson for the ruling b j p why does his party seem to show so much tolerance to those who found the flames of communal hatred. sudan church of 80 welcomes a conflict zone. let's talk about india's response to the pandemic 1st of all various aspects of your government's response have been massively criticized both inside and outside india a much the 24th your prime minister mr modi gave indians just 4 hours notice of a lockdown something that one indian writer called the most punitive and least
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planned lockdown in the world what did you expect $100000000.00 migrant workers spread out across the country to do with just 4 hours' notice. if you want to understand what very high status is the situation and this is your point say please keep up our china they'll be out of it yes nation in the water under will fight a war. with 70 percent of the people living in google area but 27 percent is still illiterate when people are sent living below poverty line you know or in general is every day 25000000 people are terribly and they thought was so every saying that more dying should have been given a lot they should see for it it's number one well the spend the week broke out in
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the month of january there was only one letter. it must have been up when that is now they are under seal so or at a time you are not that much if you're a 2nd team at that time there were a lot more actual kids because there were a lot for lot for actual values or in the hospitals and the detail care unit section now we are the 2nd thing never the less the heart of ventilators. look i understand i understand mr prevented but millions of workers were left stranded in city choice with no food shelter money or means of transport did nobody in your government think of that when the announcement was made. it is bit you have military i would like to say this is
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totally wrong. robert would have been wrong why did all those weary i did it are even for those who why did those who were not having any idea. second thing died and money is being transferred 1000 rupees to every farmers 500 rupees to every woman and daughter who are living below poverty line given a wider caste still not seen once we offer this and talking about the need the liberation well i want to see and i'm just telling you that that the u.n. the u.n. did not by your comforting assurances u.n. experts said just 3 weeks ago we were polled at the disregard shown by the indian government towards internal migrant laborers especially those who belong to marginalize minorities and lower costs they said you'd failed to address that time humanitarian situation subjected them to police brutality and failed to stop their
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stickman ties ation as virus carriers. telling you telling me they don't know what they're talking about at the end i did nations one thing. was i would like to complain one problem. why did you deny her or. if your orders if i did 1000000 farmers what i get. in there are lots. so there was nothing of this sort and imagine the relation are if $200.00 millions if they are living in rule it out what would happen in a situation and the government in. your district i would like to see all the international readers if there are certain elements in our system which try to give long if only shown to them there are certainly let's talk about some of the bodies
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within india because some of you are leading medical bodies also trashed the government's response didn't they the indian public health association the indian association of preventive unsocial medicine the indian association of epidemiologists they accused you of incoherent and often rapidly shifting strategies and policies relying on the predictions of mandalas they said well way off the mark how do you argue that charge. not in our hands those who are saying this we are the biggest democracy of the word and we do it a sect i would like to see from eastern europe and japan we are the only surviving i mean democracy the prime minister is diggin the insurgent of all the up with. them all the chief ministers of the state and a lot of dull 2 others started rival sense of what went to the announced foreign minister savant to be an album locked up and the name of what in the 61 job but
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then up the sovereign by the opposition government so it was the other political parties do it it was realising that it was a wideman markdown like well i'm a lot who still have a 2nd 5th of what not so it was you closer to each other. right a distance of the day explodes but assessments are heard even by mr this answer and which are. and a little just must start done to prevent it not to to vent if that was all true why by the 2nd week in june was the supreme court ordering the government to transport workers back to their homes within 15 days it also told the police to cancel all that charges against those who weren't able to get home by themselves it's something of a disgrace isn't it that the supreme court actually has to order your government to do the decent humane thing that most other governments would do by themselves so
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who looks after the interests of the poor certainly not the b j p is it the law and order is a step suck it 100 percent a 3rd subject central government at least go. to the feds subject centered only controlling the central units. stole all these yet it was the primary responsibility of both governments to look up the central government try to support them money and the sources unfortunately because of some misguided and some mysterious i'm not accusing some of the governments one and one or all that much as i have action that has created a little bit of that in some state governments of the day that they have the if it wasn't. any level my good neighbor can. give it all i have at this and then the subsequent. men are never coming back people with it by bus
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it really will be managed and the central government has the ear or if i put it above cost of the image ticket if you present what it was they said government so if there is any thing to be said on the pov of the government what has gone by but . it's what the part of the state government because finding out what is the lesson government when he doesn't think yes i think that is your here's something that is your responsibility talk to have a let's let's talk about food by the end of april the food corporation of india had 77000000 tons of cereals in stock but instead of giving it to states with very little money or ruling party tried to sell it to them at market rates something which shocked economists rita kara from the indian institute of management for instance said the government's unwillingness to relent and give it free to the states is mind boggling it couldn't understand why you were trying to profit from
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this grain instead of giving people who not you dance or to lead on the moment has given free of cost. millions of those who are not having i been to god but then the government has given free of cost like a jeep all the 5 kids rice some else's and all of them of packets they saw it just died it wasn't but the stuff or titian cost but only kids who are just being provided free of cost by government and the state government also so we do this one thing was already saying you don't like janet and that can provide the start just. not when his is a statistic from the financial times which reported that of the the money most of the money that was given in extra funding it was less than $12000000000.00 or
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about not point 4 percent of india's g.d.p. g.d.p. that's one of the lowest levels of relief provided by any asian economy you proud of that on the contrary the government of india has but why did it really. well into one that rupee if we just 10 per cent of the g.d.p. just 10 percent of the g.d.p. but that's the guy isn't filtering through to international experts that's not filtering through and and also dr trevenna let's look at the special fund called the prime minister caspian cas that has also brought a fresh deluge of criticism from around the country the promise to launch this fund with great fanfare in march received some 1.2 $7000000000.00 in funds which the government matched why so few details on how this money is being spent and why no official audit from the government know what it is the c.a.g. what have you got to hide here again i would like to say. one difficulty to get in
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the month of march and the audit is done better than the financial you don't need. who said in the 2 months of what you. did you can barely even tested it and you thought probably. $50000.00 mentally turns white called the music leaving you can buy young kids fun and it is a new government fund even the prime minister is the chairman all ministers a member and the defense minister is a member nobody for many of the other parties nobody from the other party what why aren't all the documents related to this fund made public why the lack of transparency there is a question of microphone and an issue to get any then anybody asks that what was there. and it was done and if it's not sure anybody in the question and the time don't meet and then it's too late and then it's too late why don't you release the
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information now people are giving money what because workers have been asked to give money government workers have been asked to give money why shouldn't they see where this money is going now the government has already given. them. for this fight 1000 farmers have been given to this separate details have been given we secondly general audit and. then there were. but then expenditures done but why did as you know there's been considerable controversy over the fact that all all the people in charge of this fund that from your party and if it's public money tell the public what's going on with it that's the point that people are making to you you know perfectly well it's been well reported in the indian press you are misled. it was not done by the members of it by peter than by the members of the government exactly that's my point it's meant run by members of the government only there's nobody from any of the other parties
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involved in making the decisions on this in this body nobody and nobody why not get your get me any financial body in the government of india. in which a member of political body is their identity knowing that you should dump the travail it's not just your response to the pandemic that attracted criticism agency after agency has highlighted the falling levels of democracy in your country i notice a few months ago you were highlighting the fact that your country is a democracy this year's report from here that freedom house spoke of the indian government's alarming departures from democratic norms under the prime ministers b j p it also warded you the largest score decline among the world's 25 largest democracies in its 2020 freedom index are you proud of that can you tell me only one fact on this the most criticize aspect of your decline has been the passage last december of the citizenship law which uses religion as
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a criterion for deciding which illegal migrants can be fast tracked for citizenship the measure favors members of all south asia's religions except islam which just happens to be your 2nd largest faith that's hardly a coincidence is it i will get down student number one in the eyes of the oldest. and. all of the. and the particulars an awful lot of people is very much so it was incumbent on the i propose to be the secular and the democratic caucus season that gives share go to those who are there to just leave but if you we're not selected and welcomed you have to live there in those missions bullis parsis dance secular un high commissioner for human rights doesn't agree with you he calls the law fundamentally discriminatory in nature and he should know
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shouldn't he deals with human rights abuses worldwide. and actually discriminatory in nature yes because that muslims are well suited in their country then reconsider their request you have given 500 muslims it's a little shit but you want to start of i love the way i don't want to come and openly say they just didn't see themselves or don't even consider that is why does your party why is it so brazen in attacking its perceived enemies and why does it tolerate so much hate speech we have your home minister ahmed shah referring to migrants as termites to be eradicated in order to protest the b j p's chief minister yogi and that's promised revenge against those who protested against the citizenship amendment act and said they should be fed bullets not biryani why are these people never reined in by your party or disciplined by your
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party and allowed to say these these things. again i would like to say if you go by the reports once the. biggest abuse. is being used the words about me being used against the prime minister and then saying that they're not going to want a lot of doctor orders have been frequently used openly on a national media only in the us openly on this ticket both nor no bought. on the contrary you lot a lot of letting the shadow of the country to public t.v. . be held by police and question or just was shown to a political. and other journalists and pissing you lot dozens of high up and you put a cinema stars in the back and journalists who said that you had to be a preventive why doesn't the capital capital mishra for instance of the be j.p.
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in delhi he led a demonstration calling on people to shoot the protesters why was he allowed to do that knowing it is wrong you have never used the word through i can't convict 2nd 5 he has used the word though you must take us what are you wind of or illegally or one month he has used the word or i am saying the list that you don't see that if you remove this illegal occupation otherwise we've got a lot here. so. if somebody might be legal there are organ for your house and if you 17 years it is not. removed by police then you decide i want to import who'll. what is the shooting to achieve $88.00 dumb to trade it in the aftermath of the february riots in which more than 50
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people died and most of the muslims in the aftermath there was one of the most telling episodes when the delhi high court heard petitions about the riots in the city and asked why the police have not filed cases against b j p p politicians who have advocated violence the presiding judge dr marandi da won't the delhi police have serious consequences for not investigating statements by b j p politicians he said i'm really appalled by the state of affairs of the delhi police the court had earlier watch videos of 4 b j p leaders capital mishra faca abhay vama and partnership which the job described as hate mongering hate mongering how do you get away on that i would like to correct i think you were that open one instance but she didn't say what was said by english. but she did was in the context of a. but to quote of what he said you did just local to the traitors of the country
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people said to them yes i meant this type of slogans but really you should have a friend and stop us but you have not used the word should then yes not the judge the judge called it hate mongering and you know what happened of course to the judge days later he receives a transfer order at midnight to a completely different part of the country and the federal law minister says it was routine and a great by the supreme court a routine transfer at midnight do you seriously expect anyone to believe this you managed to remove a judge who was asking questions about your politicians that's the sum of it isn't it. i want to i want to if i you and i make a point number one so i'm sorry but i guess if it's not done by government it is done by the corps that it's 2nd thing how convenient how convenient that it was
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just after he had our so-called questions and let me come he doesn't then sir but the time for order was done there before and i've died in question and also given the consent granted there before it was done but it was not easy to do it if you're going to do what he should have been believe much earlier. i did and i'm saying it was done rather badly full atlanta saying this is a miserable little problem not going on in the short time that we have left up to evade it i'd like to just talk about the recent battle between indian and chinese troops in the northern light that region once again this has raised questions about different versions coming from the b j p government where exactly did the fight take place between indian and chinese forces we know that some of the chinese forces died we also know that 20 indian soldiers were killed when exactly did this fight take place specifically on
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whose side of the border. prime minister a little bit earlier niger chinese too but it will. not allow any of our coast is under there and. that's not what i asked i asked where the fight had taken place. then our light was no defense in the line up at. the line of military control is there. somewhere i would. seem that out so that it can only just off which is a low lands so deader than understanding in that if the pacific defenses. can't come and what they will not you know if and. when the when and or. our troops are gonna be find out that head of debt in this city in the us that is the op there try to find out it everybody such you have decided to force them back so
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where does a battle took place well on whose territory in the no man's land are you saying if it happened on here that chinese in the chinese site in the chinese medically going to alight the west this is where the battle took place with your forces yes i'd be up for young forces were in chinese territory or in no man's land where were they. why is this so difficult why is it so difficult to tie down. you might get in line of military and can be sure that it was several kilometers of. this deadline and newman that people are fired and i am you do not do any art you will i.p.o.d. and you do not any temporary object i'm going to on the farm when i want to fall apart really therefore i will that in that little man's land and all of this i know there was something. so that they asked him they didn't then that despite that
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instructor and then got him back and they were. so this all happened in the no man's land is that right is that what you're telling me it didn't happen in chinese territory and it didn't happen on indians territory the clear implication from all this fudging is that the chinese did cross into what you regard as indian territory but you won't admit that because you don't want to appear either weak for letting it happen or worse being asleep on the job and not reacting until it was too late which was it no it was very clear that the chinese troops one of their. the holy shock and still is essentially their effort in one of. the groups of the equally shy of a year group just exactly there as they were before and in that period in which there is an agreement that nobody should come thereby to come over.
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why not just say clearly the chinese violated your border or they didn't we had 2 different versions we had the prime minister saying no no one has intruded into our territory or taken over any post and we had the foreign minister who said the chinese side sought to erect a structure in go one valley on our side of the line of actual control on our side in other words 2 different versions from 2 leading figures in your government no there was no defense at all as far as the chinese are in the land distance and just saw what's in to them and since. they have captured a certain if you are over it early in 1062 years of your career yes there you know what but now that if i pull the shot and if then military. but if you believe so now the outdated and. if you say that that you know what they're going to just you know what it. is yes and what are the militant group
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