thanks to the u.s. supreme court it looks unlikely that the public will see u.s. president donald trump's tax returns before the november election but after the election those returns may very well become public with their rulings today the justices including the 2 conservative judges appointed by president trump gave the president time to run the clock but not run the ball they did not trump what he wants most blanket immunity the right as president to ignore the orders of any court any judge i'm burnt off in berlin this is the day. the supreme court including the president's appoint change. it's not about the law . hundreds of millions of dollars in texas but. as soon as my routine order to nish

to release my returns for the presidency. the whatever it is it's not good news for the president of the united states i would love to give them. but i'm not going to do it while i wonder what the court has reaffirmed the congress's authority to conduct oversight on behalf of the american people. also coming up tonight dying elms nearly all of madagascar ours iconic lemur species face the threat of extinction. forestation and hunting of the night. for the bush mate something that you know he's always going to mean bad news for these animals out there in the wild. but to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world welcome we begin the day with the

rule of law that even a u.s. president has to respect today the u.s. supreme court. handed down 2 rulings in cases connected with u.s. president trumps tax returns in one ruling the judges said congress had overreached in how we tried to force the president to hand over his tax returns a clear ruling for limits on the power of congress but in the 2nd case the judges ruled that federal prosecutors in new york may indeed ask to see the president's tax returns as part of an investigation now this means the public could eventually see trump's tax returns as well but it will not happen before the november presidential election trump one more time today but the final verdict in the court of public opinion that verdict is still out donald trump is often compared himself to former u.s. president richard nixon and that comparison will forever be strengthened by one of today's court rulings just as the court ruled that president nixon could be compelled to hand over those hidden tapes inside the oval office the court today

ruled that trump must if subpoenaed hand over those tax returns the court's chief justice a conservative noted the public has a right to every man's evidence since the earliest days of the republic every man has included the president of the united states here is what president trump said today about the rulings blooms were basically starting all over again sending everything back down to the lower portion to start over again so from a certain point to satisfy them and appoint an understanding that. this is a political witch i don't like to be there if you want to you know we sure it's our hopes just like the more of us you can these are folks that want to and this is folks this is purely political morning. so here we are the supreme court including the president appoints change have declared that he is not about the law

and i don't know what they're even saying about it i hear he's tweeting one thing. and then other people are saying another but whatever it is it's not good news for the president of the united states the court has reaffirmed the congress's authority to conduct oversight on behalf of the american people as it asks for further information from congress congress's constitutional responsibility to uncover the truth the sipek late related to the president russia connection that he is hiding the congress will continue to conduct oversight for the people polled in the separation of powers that is the genius of our constitution there was nancy pelosi speaking there earlier today for more on today's rulings i'm joined tonight by scott anderson scott has served as a legal adviser at the u.s. state department he's now with the brookings institution and teaches law at georgetown university law school scott is in washington d.c. tonight welcome to the days god it's good to have you with as the court today said

that the president is not above the wall when we're talking about the justice system and gathering evidence what does this ruling these 2 rules what are they saying about the american justice system and what do they tell us about the current u.s. president. well they certainly serve as noted victories although in some ways limited victories for the rule of law at some point do you think of the 2 opinion separately the vance opinion related to a subpoena against the president or for the president's financial records i should say to a bank by the state of new york and the court essentially affirmed that the state of new york can proceed without subpoenas in title to that and for information that the president doesn't have any special protection by virtue of being president to prevent that information being disclosed that's been allowed the state of new york to continue in doing criminal investigations another investigation the same way would against other business leaders but it's not going to lead to the disclosure of that information becoming public simply because there's still

a grand jury process and other protections disclosure the information that the state of new york has indicated that it intends to respect the 2nd case the mass arias case was by several committees in congress and in that case the course report came back and said contrary to what the president was arguing yes there are in fact a range of cases in which congress can to peanut this sort of information about the president from 3rd parties banks in his account in this case and that that is not such a high standard that the court argued to make it so the party that the president argued to make it a century in pot one fact there is a variety of situations which with the congress may be able to do this but it also said it still implicates a separation of powers and it's important that congress and the courts weigh the different factors regarding congress' interest and the executive branches interest and reach an accommodation or found between them and what remained of those requests to the lower courts to reexamine those factors as it felt they had not done so adequately scott today the u.s. president tweeted his outrage over these rulings and he said that other presidents

have enjoyed broad difference by the courts but not him what does he mean by that and is that true. it's not clear entirely what he means deference is usually a sort of term we associate with other sorts of legal questions not really implicated here in this case we have seen presidents before to comply with criminal investigations such as happened to president nixon or question information there we've seen presidents have to comply with civil investigation as happened with president clinton in regards to apologetics and certainly the vents case at least is very much consistent with the mazur's case regarding congressional requests is a bit of a new novel question at least as confronted by the courts in this case but again it confirms what most people expected which is generally consistent with the law as it understood the united states which is that congress has a substantial authority to request this sort of information perhaps some limits in extreme cases but still substantial authority and this affirmed that was again

something that the president was arguing against and we know based on today's rulings that new york prosecutors they will probably ask to see the tax returns and see those tax returns now if these documents if they become evidence in a criminal investigation and if there is enough here to issue an indictment what happens to donald trump if he's reelected president and what happens to donald trump if he is not reelected and becomes private citizen don't withdraw. certainly he becomes a private citizen it's a lightly scenario that we will see the president have to answer those charges same with any other private citizen would at that point the separation of powers concerns and other concerns regarding the impact on the president his conduct of this role and his ability to exercise his function as president being hampered by any sort of litigation or criminal defense likely isn't going to be implicated if you remains in office and the president is no doubt only going to argue that as long as i'm in office the fact that this criminal investigation is going to

severely hamper my activities as president means that i should have to face these charges lisa long as i'm in office and that if the united states or if the u.s. institutions want me to face these charges congress can impeach me and then i became to question as to whether really congress is going to be willing to take that step i've driven from office and force him to confront those charges or whether there may be some other legal avenue by which the president may be held accountable that is a fact pattern that we haven't really encountered before in this case so squarely but a president really prosecuted by a state and raise a range of novel legal questions but all of which are highly problematic including for the president let me ask you this about the legality of the video before leaving the white house scott there has been talk that if the president were to leave let's see if there were to be another impeachment trial that maybe he would resign and he would resign only with a deal to have immunity after leaving the white house would that be legal is there

any president in u.s. history for something like that happening. that's an interesting fact pattern that i have not actually heard directly before in terms of resigning and trading away the office of the presidency that would be a pretty exceptional thing for the state of new york to demand in that regard to the masters case or for congress to demand in regard to these subpoenas which again are just requesting information i find it hard to believe that that would actually be a condition that either party would put forward or or seek out in the research or to go if the president wants to resign to reduce scrutiny on him he certainly can do so he may resign and then seek a pardon from his vice president who would then be president get the pardon power in the case of mike pence that's a possibility at least that was discussed in the context of richard nixon did happen in richard nixon's case i should say course president ford then pardoned nixon after he left office but again it's not clear whether pence will play along with that here it's really would raise certain eyebrows so i don't know how seriously i would take any of those concerns at this point particularly because not

many of these matters are likely to come to fruition before the november elections almost all the work of come to fruition afterwards is a very good point we want to remind our viewers scott about the controversy over trump's tax returns trump says that his taxes are still being audited it's been a long period for the old it 4 years ago before the election i spoke with nick checks and he's one of the only journalist ever interviewed going with trump about his taxes and this is what shocks and said in july 26th. not wanted to release his tax returns one of the things i wanted to see i was looking for because i'm an expert in tax havens i was looking for donald trump using tax havens and i asked him a couple of times about this and he said he said you know i don't use types haven's because you can get everything you need in the united states and you might doubt his words that many says a lot of things that people don't believe but i think speaking about the tax tax experts in the states they did find that plausible because it is just so easy to

get right down to 0 you just don't need. use them and he told me you know that complicated nobody knows what's going on tax havens this kind of difficult things to to use and you know it is plausible his new line of business is licensing so his name reisa singh his name yes so he will get somebody will will say you know we're going to build a building in india will saudi arabia or someone like that and we want to put the trump name on the top and he'll say yes you can do that and you pay me you know a few $1000000.00 of the franchise on his left arm and so he's doing that all over the place and he told me he's he's got 121 of these licensing deals in the pipeline we'll wait and see what comes up it's all the money he's getting then from these overseas licens buyers is that money then coming directly into the us i mean because that's a great chance for for him or for anyone to keep it offshore exactly i mean that was one of the things one of the sort of hypotheses i looked at and i think there's

no evidence that he's doing any of that in a very aggressive way no evidence that i could find that he's keeping that all show me it was you know that what he said he could be doing that we want we can't see it because his taxes as a secret he hasn't released his tax returns those tax returns would answer these question right so that was the state of play 4 years ago not a lot has changed there but we know the president may be trying to a board more than just tax troubles scott nancy pelosi today say congress is not finished investigating the president the court today the supreme court did not say that congress has no right to see trump's tax returns the court had a problem with how congress had tried to obtain those returns is that correct. to some extent it may be more proper to say that the supreme court had a problem with how the lower courts of valuated congress requests assented to lower court said hey these are requests to banks and accountants not to the president himself so they don't really implicate major separation of powers concerns

regarding the executive branch and the legislative branch we don't need to evaluate those concerns from court came today and said no you actually do even those to a 3rd party it can affect the executive branch's interest and you need to look at them more closely and therefore going to remain and for it to you and force you to take another closer look bearing in mind a list of factors they sort of identified so it doesn't mean that congress can't get these ballot off anything i would read the opinion suggesting they can in certain circumstances but it did indicate there are strong countervailing interests in the executive branch that the lower courts in congress need to take into account and sent the matter back to the lower courts to make sure that they are taken into account scott anderson with the brookings institution helping us to understand these rulings today coming up from the supreme court scott we appreciate your time in your insights tonight thank you. thank you for. researchers estimate germany is home to about a 1000000 people of african heritage and many of them say racism is part of their

everyday lives too young berliners have been talking to. about their experiences. dancing as an a staver toppy but that wasn't why she stood out in school she stood out because she was one of their a few black pupils at her school in southern germany i live and if i live a pretty much all my friends were white i didn't look like they didn't didn't do the same things at home that they did and in a way i always had the feeling i had 2 identities and had to read just depending on who i happened to be hanging out with dancing gave her a feeling of belonging because when she danced it didn't matter what color her skin was but in everyday life people make comments to put her in a box she says. things like a what's your university or what you were high school these things make it hard to feel at home because you don't look like the others and you don't have your roots

here. in addition to her studies anna has a job as a social worker she supervises a group home for youngsters with mental disabilities but i'm saying when i get on the subway train sometimes i feel the looks like get in a certain tension for example that someone holds their bag a little closer somebody will scrutinize your hair or your hands you just never know is it admiration like wow what beautiful hair she's got or is it discussed you never know. because sony is a billionaire as well she will start sociology studies this fall she's very close to her mother realized very early on that her daughter was treated differently from white children. about. she took ballet lessons like any go she wanted to dance ballet in a pink tutu and jump around and she came out of the trial lesson totally dejected and she was 3 years old and she said mom or i don't want to be brown anymore

moments like these spurred into action she started a playgroup for afro german children so at least once a month her daughter would have the feeling of not being the only black child just process must look at racism can really be hurtful many people want to hear about these experiences they might think oh well it's once a month i know it's every day when you go out every day if you don't get a job or an apartment you applied for is not always a racist reasons of course but that's always one of the 1st things you wonder. so many hopes that the current debate about racism which changed society's perception of people of color not just short term but the long term to. hungary's parliament passed a law in may that prevents transgender people from changing the gender recorded on their birth certificates now critics in the q communities this effectively ends

legal recognition of trans people or didn't you news spoke with some of the people affected by this law to find out what it means today. software engineer event took a big decision to change gender and start a new life she's still young and has a successful career and says she feels lucky. my friends have accepted me as i am hardly anyone has turned their back on me. but for events hungary's new law is a step backwards. in hungary you always need your i.d. whether at a hotel renting a bike or at the post office and every time that's a risk for me because i don't have to out myself as a trans woman. the law makes it impossible for people to legally change the gender critics of the government say introducing adjourning the pandemic was undemocratic

but it's a politically popular move for prime minister viktor orban. found a topic that fits both his opinion and the view of most trying to gary and that's how we can keep his voter base together even when we're going through an economic crisis right wing premia isn't commenting nor is the minister responsible for the law but a year ago a speaker of the hungary and parliament defendant the ruling through dish party. were accused of being populists and to european islamic and homophobic just because we're here to our culture and tradition as. the young actress or do you was the 1st trans woman on the cover of the hungary in edition of elle magazine she no longer feel safe in hungary where she was picked on threatened and assaulted she fled to berlin. i think it's horrible because. it's not legal if you want. your name and. and identity

because i don't have rights there transition use and homosexuality are not widely discussed in hungary many think they should stay private transgender people find the policies not fit denesh especially troubling. the government strategy is to find a convenience. for them and not trying to improve people's lives just to achieve their own maintenance. he didn't own a dog feels the new law will poison hungary and society and could drive her out of her country. their outlook is not good nearly all species of madagascar as iconic lemur are in danger of going extinct lemurs are among the many species unique to the island in the indian ocean now the international union for the conservation of nature says 'd

that a 100 in 3 of these surviving 107 species are in danger their latest report calls for a fundamental fundamental reimagining of the way people interact with nature the organization classifies 30000 species worldwide as at risk of disappear. those numbers are not good let's bring in christophe spitzer now he is in the primate specialist group at the international union for the conservation of nature he is a specialist in it's good to have you on the program just how close are we to losing these species of lemur. yeah we are indeed very close to losing salty's p.c.'s i wouldn't run into any of them off they do you have the ability to bounce back even from very low numbers but the rarest of all the lima species which is the north end spot safely nocturnal little species of about 6700

grams of faulty weight is now down to just under 100 individual limas in the wild and when you think about them that's not very many at all so if there are a couple of villages here and go all to lima hunting on any law such as. that may actually well be it for that's feces so that's really very m m scarily clever use to extinction all this doing a bit but the next one probably has about 400 individuals left on the walls among them so and really that will let me ask you about you said you have some villagers going hunting for lemurs is is the status of lemurs now them being endangered does it all come down to human activity or are there other reasons for their imminent extinctions. no it doesn't all come down to sheerman activity and mother gus ko you get

a lot of slash and burn like recall just small scale subsistence agriculture other than for a for example in southeast asia where you mostly get some large scale commercial agriculture in madagascar it's really all small scale farmers so they grow a bit of rice. and then they chop down some forest fold up some grow the rockies on the on the 1st haul soil 'd for a volunteer and through materials for a year's time us all these on 1st all any longer and then they move on the a couple of 100 metres down the road and do the same again and then in the phosphor that when they were very few people living in mother goes on the whole island was forest it was very sustainable practice but now with 25000000 people living in mother and 90 percent of forests lost already it's not sustainable at all and that's actually threatens limas quite dramatically on the other coming threats is

hunting them as i mentioned so so that has really increased dramatically over the past of say one or 2 decades. it was always known from continental africa 'd we always said actually mother doesn't really have these high rates of lima hunting about no it has and now that is really threatening threatening limas in addition to the chorus loads and christoph we've got about half a minute here when i ask you we've talked about lemurs tonight but what's the overall picture in terms of species going extinct. of the 120000 species that are on the i.u.c.n. red list i'd say roughly one quarter on know in the 3 threatened categories of vulnerable endangered and critically endangered and that's a lot of primates have fared quite a bit worse because they are you know large body size and in many of these some

rather poor countries are being hunted as i mentioned about overall it's about 25 percent of all species on the red list in the thread and cousin grace christoph fitted with the international union for the conservation of nature christophe we appreciate your time in your insights tonight thank you thank you. well the day is always done the conversation it continues online you can join us on twitter either d.w. news or you can follow me a brit golf t.v. and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see that of.

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