one of the worst criminal accusations trying to spy on researchers working on a vaccine today the u.k. the u.s. and can't of the pointed the finger at russia intelligence agencies say a group of hackers known as cozy bayer have targeted organizations working on a coronavirus vaccine and they say cozy bear is related to the russian bear i'm burnt off in berlin this is the day. russia says we're both trying it with protecting lection. the intelligence community believes the closer you are just an agency of the russian the the free trade that the russian intelligence agencies have been talking to have the cyber attacks i came efforts to find

a vaccine through to search development for credit cards c.v. care and that's the statement is saying fake and contradictory that it's practically impossible in time to stand in the muslim or similar seeing pharmaceutical companies and others being targeted because they have the information i mean. and. also coming up tonight the republicans campaigning against president donald trump they've declared war on his reelection hopes he calls the president they say is at war with son. we're all in the same thing including dr fat you have a very good relationship with dr fahey and we're all in the same thing we want to get rid of this mess that china sent us so everybody's work at the same line it would doing very well would do it well in a lot of ways our countries coming back very strong. to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states. and all around the world welcome we begin the day with the

quest for a corona virus vaccine and the hackers sent by russia to spy on it all that is the accusation tonight aimed at moscow and it's coming from london washington and although today the u.k. the united states and canada said russian spies have been targeting the organization's conducting research into a vaccine against the coronavirus the u.k.'s national cybersecurity center said a group of hackers sometimes known as cozy bear are almost certainly part of russia's intelligence services the u.k. said there was no indication that any of the research had been stolen or hindered today russia denied any responsibility here is u.k. foreign secretary wrong what kind of will say tell you today is that with us canadian counterparts we have also made it clear. that it released a statement indicating that we know that the russian intelligence agencies have

been targeting in terms of cyber attacks against efforts across the those 3 countries and here in the u.k. our attempts to find a vaccine through research and development the crying of ours and i think that's pretty cool i have to say at a time where the world's come together trying to find a vaccine that i thought people and people around the world can benefit from the russian government backing that up i think you need schooling out of it watch it. well for more tonight i'm joined from london by quentin peel he is the former moscow correspondent for the financial times and his and associate fellow with chatham house and from moscow alex loued correspondent in the russian capital for the daily telegraph to both of you gentlemen welcome to the day let me start with you 2 points about today's announcement it doesn't beat around the bush it names russia and it was the u.k. that went public with the accusation not candid and not the u.s.

what is your read on these 2 things. well funnily enough i don't think i can get too excited about it i suspect that every intelligence agency in the world is trying to track who's getting ahead in the desperate search for a vaccine and with a view possibly trying to get the benefits for themselves and that seems to be perhaps behind the russian thing because russia are announced only last night that they were doing very well in getting a vaccine and they were going to go to the level of testing very shortly so i wonder if that was part of the reason for precipitating this announcement there's also domestic politics in this too but perhaps we should come to that in a moment i'm going to get to that in just a moment alegate me ask you russia denied responsibility today what's the reason for this story from where you are. well look at the kremlin isn't whether

putin's spokesman just gave a blanket denial and said there was no way that the russians they could be involved in this kind of thing you know that's par for the course that's just to be expected i think what was more interesting was that the head of the russian direct investment fund the very same person who was announcing yesterday that russia would have a vaccine ready by the end of the year and hope to produce 30000000. portions of that scene by the end of the year he was the one coming out and saying this today is calling this news that russia was trying to hack the coronavirus act seen abroad as an attempt to tarnish the reputation of this russian vaccine which he said will likely be the 1st on the market and he also says you know the claim that. the russian company our farm which is a pharmaceutical company close to the state here is already going is already set to

produce the astra zeneca the british company's vaccine in russia the oxford vaccines and therefore already has all the information that it could want to bathrooms or as i've seen that's an interesting statement that hasn't been publicly announced before that are far arm is going to produce that vaccine in russia but it is true that our farmers partnered with astra zeneca on other stuff in the past like cancer research so russia is definitely calling this into question saying that really there was no need for them to steal the information because they already had active there's obviously global competition here that's very helpful you quit list talk about domestic politics for a moment disc comes as the u.k. government says that russia trying to meddle in between the 19 u.k. general election you know. gives a rather strange twist to the timing because the u.k. government made a huge. really yesterday when they failed to get the man they wanted into the chair

of the parliament tree intelligence committee which is a very powerful and key committee and that committee has produced a report on russian interference in u.k. politics and indeed in the brics it referendum in 2060 of that report has been delayed and delayed and delayed by the johnson government possibly because it contains embarrassing stuff about russian links to the conservative party so guess what they do today quickly before that committee gets that report out next week they russia statement saying hang on the russians did interfere in the 29 senior lecturer and at that time it was the labor party that exploited it and i think there is a lot of muddying the waters going on yeah i mean it sounds like there's some deflecting going on here alec have you heard anything about what quicken is saying

is that been reported that all in russia is there a connection between these stories. i don't i haven't seen that report in russia i think that's a little bit you know that's pretty inside politics for the russian press of the moment i'm sure that something in russian they think yours may seize upon in the future to claim that this story is made up that this story is doesn't doesn't hold water. you know that'll set up and i you know it's not like there's some politics going on the path it's clear that there's some politics around this and russia since russia is trying to be is trying to kind of show off some of this geopolitical might with this vaccine that is rushing through testing on military soldiers testing on the you know the vaccines creators have been tested upon themselves so russia taking a much more unorthodox kind of hasty approach with their vaccine and really trying to get out of the market 1st so of course they're taking this as an attack on that

vaccine or this news report about the hacking but you know all that said i think that you know it's worthwhile remembering that the cole the bear was the same hacking out that that was implicated in the d.n.c. hack in the 2016 election in the united states they've also been accused of trying to gain access to the nery norwegian defense ministry and political political parties there so this is certainly something that cozy bear could look very well be up to and trying to do and feel the crowbars back scene but of course the politics around me give the clinton reform room time quit and we heard from the u.k. government today that they plan to hold russia to account do we know what that will look like. well would it need tightening up sanctions a bit more the truth is that british governments for

a long time have been fairly hypocritical in their attitude to russia i think is going to come out in that report next week that actually they have really cozy relations not just with the conservative party also with allowing russian money to be laundered through london now will they finally get tough on a lot of that russian money that is actually sitting very nicely in london the nobody's actually taken action against what is really illicit money coming through the british capital. when people in london in moscow to both of you gentlemen thank you very much we appreciate the analysis tonight. well this is yet another cybercrime accusation traded by the west in russia it really taylor joins us now from oxford it really is associate fellow at chatham house an international security program she specializes in cyber crime it really is going to have you on

the day let's be detective for a moment the u.k. did not say that the hackers stole information or that they hindered vaccine research is it plausible that we're talking about the russians just spying in the true sense just watching and listening. well you're right i haven't seen any information to suggest that data was exfiltrate it was stolen. the the emphasis in today's announcement has been quite a confident. attribution of these type attacks to this group cozy there or a p t 29 as they're called in a language we don't normally associate with the intelligence services so. hard to know at this stage whether it was just simply sitting on the networks looking at what was going on and gathering data or a mass how can leak operation as was done in the

2016 run up to the us elections with the democratic national committee you bring up a good point the u.k. named russian intelligence and cozy beer today in this report how difficult is it to to be able to name and shame when you're on a cyber crime trail like this. well actually she is difficult but it's not impossible especially when you have the resources of the u.s. canadian and british intelligence services if they're actually beating with this level of confidence and also making the connection between this outfit cosi bad and the the russian intelligence services that's quite unusual normally the language is much more you know we say with a high degree of confidence type of thing but here they're coming right out of it and i see this as part of

a strategy you know you can get the attribution yourself and then it's another strategic decision about whether you announce it publicly and in doing so and standing side by side with other allies this is an approach that we've seen over the last 2 years trying to perhaps raise the reputational costs to states like russia of doing this kind of activity and if you do have the resources the power of the u.k. the u.s. and canada here are able to track these hackers trace them should we also expect more in terms of shielding and pushing back a tip did attacks or to you know that you have espionage in cyberspace. well this is the other part of today's announcement but very important is that the detailed report actually contained a lot of code where the national cybersecurity center are actually saying to

organizations who might have been affected by likely cyber attacks this is what you need to run this is what you need to look for so there are 2 parts this is the sort of actually patient but also trying to make these organizations safe there's also a checklist of you know how to protect yourselves because yes we should all protect ourselves against these attacks but unfortunately it's not down to one party. the state can't do it all of it so it's up to every single user all of these technologies that we're relying on so much and kili during the lockdown to do that it will be the the saddening thing for this is that a lot of the exploits are quite old and that if people have patched their equipment and taken some fairly straightforward steps they could be safer. final question for you emily it's frustrating sometimes to hear that the government national elections

were targeted but we we rarely hear a follow up where you know did the cyber meddling change the course of an election why is that. i think because you know elections are a democratic process in which multiple factors affect the way people vote and the mean even the way you have a marginal result like the u.s. presidential elections in 2016 there's never really any question of really running the event of the woods and the 2019 elections in the u.k. were something of a landslide and so you had a very clear democratic outcome there's lots and lots of arguments around but i think in the end this is a much more in a democracy when it comes to large scale and action like that you can't really pinpoint a win or loss to one single factor it really tailor with trying to help an international security program simply we appreciate your time and your insights tonight thank you

. thank you. we're all truly blessed at the same time to have a leader like president trump who is a builder. and that's what my grandfather did he came to this country to build to grow to prosper and so we have an incredible builder and we pray we pray for our leadership our president and we pray for our country that we will continue to prosper and to grow and that was the c.e.o. of go go it is an hispanic food company and no one in the u.s. for its canned beans going to be in the words of praise for the u.s. president by the go your boss it did not sit well with everyone there were calls for a boycott of going to products and reminders that during his campaign 4 years ago donald trump targeted mexicans calling them rapists well this week the president

posted this photo see behind me there with the message the radical left smear machine has backfired the president by law by the way is not supposed to endorse a product least not from the oval office that's one issue the bigger issue here we have a photo of the u.s. president with beans while americans are dying from a virus and when trans daughter posted this photo that only added to claims that the president is only interested in his reelection and not interested at all in the biggest public health crisis in america in a century. well joining me tonight from washington is tim miller a veteran of american political campaigns he worked on the john mccain campaign in 2008 and on the jeb bush campaign in 2016 tim is now the political director of

republican voters again straw which aims to prevent a 2nd trump term tim is a lifelong republican the says donald trump is not a republican at all it's good to have you on the day you've worked on presidential campaigns before this week donald trump demoted his campaign manager and put in a new one there are just over 3 months to go to lection day and he's changing his campaign staff what does that tell you. well he had 3 campaign managers last time tells me that he's an erratic leader tells me he's not happy about his stance in the polls which have gone down precipitously the last 3 months as the virus has gotten out of control and he's demonstrated it as you said in a lead in a total lack of interest and actually trying to solve the problem cares more about his defs with t.v. hosts and you know the beans crisis that he's focused on and so i think he's trying

to change horses but that the reality is the problem of this campaign is now trump it's not the campaign manager so he could put anybody in there and it's back to get better and so he actually tries to right the ship what's what's going wrong in this country. jim you are a republican trump says he's a republican tell me what's the difference. well i guess he's a republican right now he's the president and republicans elected them what i think about when i think about republicans over the underlying values that were that what the party was based on was based on believing in 3 people free markets individual liberty individual responsibility my view is that donald trump has co-opted that for something completely different something opposite thrums allies around the world our entire democratic friends in germany to the autocrats in turkey and north korea saudi arabia donald trump doesn't care about constitutional values he cares about helping donald trump for the people who voted for him he doesn't welcome

immigrants. he rejects them and so right now donald trump is roe is the head of the republican party so that's what republicanism means but i'm hoping we can take it back from him in the future when we've got your project we've talked to people from the lincoln project as well so we've got republicans who are trying to unseat a republican president what do you say when people ask where were you 4 years ago when the world watched in disbelief as the republican party presented donald trump as its presidential candidate. well i was working for jeb and then after that i worked for a super pac that was going to try to help marco rubio or ted cruz beat trump obviously we were unsuccessful i you know personally did not vote for donald trump last time but i think the difference this time is that we're actually running a campaign to stop and i think the last time a lot of people involved with the lincoln project republican voters the instrument

we were on a personal level opposed to trump but. there was not this formal effort to defeat and so i think that's different this time part of that is because nobody expected to win last time it was because of hillary clinton was a weak opponent and part of that is because it is now we people have seen the damage and they're funding our efforts to go out there and stop are you trying to save the united states from don't trump or the republican party from donald trump. the united states i don't know what will happen with the republican party just because we win doesn't mean that the republican party necessarily will go back to something that i like we're trying to save the country from a president who's uniquely instead who's doing grave grave damage to our standing in the world is doing grave damage to the people who are dying and losing their jobs because of this virus that he's mismanaged unconscionably and so we're trying

to atone for our past creating this monster and hopefully we can defeat him and in the chips will fall where they may after that you know a lot of people would consider the g.o.p. the republican party to be just as guilty of malfeasance as donald trump if they say you're thinking that way i've heard many times people say you've been sleeping with him for 4 years now you want to kick him out of bed what do you say to that. i think that's fair. look like i said i feel like this was a monster of our creating i didn't support him last time so maybe not as direct directive of creation as some other people who are more complicit but but look he came out of a political culture that was at best. you know enabling you know these kind of hateful. ideas and so i think we are we are responsible and that's why it's our obligation to stop and i know we feel that way and i think my friends

are going to project it as well so let's go the into january 2021 joe biden is the new us president what will you want from a democrat in the white house it's nothing to win to be in the white house and to get make sure that donald trump leaves peacefully and that we're not doing this to have some influence in a democratic administration i'm doing this because we need to take responsibility for what happened to our party and we have an obligation to get rid of this president and democrats hopefully can can lead responsibly and i'll leave that to democrats so you mean if if you help to get him elected there's not going to be any attempt to say mr biden don't forget what we did for you. i mean i don't know i guess it depends i mean by any attempt i do think hopefully the vice president biden recognizes that his coalition is center left and that a lot of former republicans voted for him and that's the reason why he beat bernie

sanders in the primary i think he does recognize that and sure i think maybe at times if he starts to go too far to the left of the administration we might remind him that this was a center left candidate 1st center left country. but but no i don't i guess they only 6 myself when trying to get into the administration or a lobbyist or anything like that i'm trying to defeat donald trump the means to before we run out of time job i want to do the damage that he says has been done by trump in foreign policy that means focusing again 1st and foremost on transatlantic ties biden will sound a lot like a reagan republican if he's elected do you expect europeans to believe job i i hope so i mean i think that joe biden is in the bipartisan spirit of what this country's foreign policy was basically from you know george h.w. bush held with her bill clinton and so i think of the alliance should be strong joe

biden they should they should believe joe biden when he says that. to me it's been good talking with you fascinating come back again as we get closer to the election and we'll see. we'll see what happens on election night tim miller well it's like you know much thank you. well the day is almost done the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter either d w news you can follow me at t.v. and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then apply.

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