down loans. from super. to doing. very. interactive exercises reading about d.w. adoption and on facebook in the app store. for a. new. you know more you talk about a world who is being protected i must give you very simply who's protecting them one more time. i keep on saying. i will keep on pushing for all the truth to come out after the murder of the prominent journalist. malta itself has become a byword for violence and corruption my guest this week here in munich is the country's foreign minister everest bartolo he says he wants to improve malta's tarnished image but how many more secrets have to come out before that will be

possible. ever aspire to welcome to conflict so thank you for made it clear that in the wake of the murder of daphne corona and all the corruption scandals that have followed that malta needs to rebuild its reputation that isn't going to happen until their body starts telling the truth is that i agree at the fact when i was appointed for the 1st minister because they told me to go ahead and see what you can do i made that very clear not a beautician or a plastic surgeon over there are a guillotine which have to be dealt with they have to be dealt with in malta in terms of the reality or not of the presentation of reality where we're getting to possibly what some of those 30 things are but i'm curious why former ministers like you supported a government that you knew was rotten. to the core where when things started coming

out of the time of the bottom up a purse of 16 i made it very clear that thought i'd accept the bid. but you say go i stayed on. i had the choice. i admire savonarola but they had my ire go a little more i had to i had the survivor strategy where i could fight another but did we use death experience to get there we've got to do with of the party at the time and now he's in the democratic party to negotiate things to make the government more accountable but your collective silence over the years helped cement in power a government that became a byword for corruption with conflicts of interest multiplying in the prime minister's office and the rule of law or seriously undermined and you went along with the by staying in the government. they have said recently that perhaps.

it would have been wiser to resign in 2016 as a pressure to change things i acknowledge that but i have spoken even of the over the last 4 years against what you have just said it is the big question of a lot of times and i will get on to say that i don't think it was very very i don't think if you were to live in a small society more there you know that those the way i spoke and what i said was very very clear o.c. c.r.p. the highly respected organized crime and corruption reporting project i'm sure you know it they named joseph must get person of the year for 2019 an annual award that highlights an individual who has done most to advanced organized criminal activity and corruption in a given year it's a pretty shameful ward to the mon you worked for isn't it but i've made it clear to him even in 2016 that the tours going to be in his interest to take the necessary steps to get those people in government who are involved with the money part of our

papers and he didn't have to pay the huge price for it so how do you feel he deserves the award. i think i made it very clear to him that it was in his interest for a person to have contributed so much to economic growth to the introduction of civil liberties and more to then to have his record painted with that weather doesn't excuse him for what he did later doesn't know just because the economy was booming you know of course murder and corruption were also dooming of them to have made it also very clear that the economic growth children can have any experience we should have occurred on the growth with rule of law and with it clean government o.c. c.r.p. said that on the muskrats leadership criminality and corruption have flourished and in many cases gone unpunished creating an environment that led to the 27000 murder of tough knicker on the goalie if they knew that the same message was coming from other international watchdog you had to know what was going on yourself the engine

. completely and while i'm too and i'm not trying to get away from this. first of all one of the big problems that we have and again i'm not trying to explain it away is that in our small society. personal networks personal relations are stronger than institutional once and at the expense of the public. because unfortunately the rule of family or dollar friends is stronger than the rule of law and this is an issue that we have to deal with and before come to a point now that we cannot delay taking all the necessary steps anymore it's so that's an outrageous assertion doesn't it when the government say the personal relationships are worth more than the rule of law but i'm saying the fuel in the government what's worth more than the rule of law yes but in the small societies i'm saying and there again i'm not trying to excuse anything the small island states like malta microstates which are not as the size of minnesota but one 3rd of

its population. it is true that when you look at the primary groups of friends and family and then the 2nd the groups are institutions should come in the 1st group and the 2nd group it's very porous there is no bond there between one and the other all i'm saying is that in our society this it is a tougher more formidable challenge to make sure that there is the rule of law that there are rules and there are regulators who serve in government are expected to accept that challenge and rise we need all the i agree one of the things you limited was that you didn't take a stronger stand in 2016 against at least one of those minister friends of the former prime minister conrad mitzi who had been named in the panama papers your biggest political mistake yet you called it even so your behavior was inexplicable wasn't it you called publicly for mits his resignation but you refused to endorse the parliamentary vote of no confidence against him or because the way the motion

had been framed and then the amendments that were put to death made it possible for us to hold the government my government to introduce measures to increase accountability there but in the end you helped to keep in office a man whose behavior in your own view had been showed me a new adequate mycenaean jeweled my single vote would it have made a difference it had every was going to vote makes a difference on islam but now doesn't it not but not in that case with you where you had suppose you started another girl you didn't stand for your prince i agree with you but i tried to use that to negotiate measures to hold the government to account now when it happened when he was impossible. well some measure started coming in but then when this time when you started coming after november i made it very clear that i was going to resign and they said i had their day go or i go and they made enough pressure for them to go. but the fact is that your silence and

your continued support of the former prime minister made you and your colleagues complicit in this dysfunctional corrupt system i try to use internal pressure to get things done this time in november talking to remain i don't want only m.e.p. called part of this swamp of corruption and financial. i try to do my bit better they haven't done enough but i am committed to do all i can to because this is a very important time for us it's a moment of truth i would call it we have an existing shared crossroads since our independence 55 years ago we either get our house in order or we i think threaten our sovereignty and there were loads of them all to but they've been so many warnings like that before have and then they were ignored in 2017 year and chief justice silvio comey there it wasn't that instead of the rule of law malta was heading to what he called the rule of delinquents none of that was enough to change

anybody's mind then wasn't warning in stark sharp terms like the. debate when when things start to become more clear for us because you might think that i'm trying to get away from what you're telling me but it's only recently that things became so clear to us what was happening i know that even in 2016 they warned that there was a shadow government and their network of this issue makers that were that were influencing what was happening but you didn't name names did you might think it was clear who i was referring to believe it wasn't outside went to 65 i think it was the unit leave given that the same people were still in government and still are part of the establishment. i made internal pressure and i didn't manage to get them committed to concede that the whole system was in fact set up to to bypass independent scrutiny and prevent any kind of accountability wasn't it i mean the

pit the prime minister's office for instance took over responsibility for areas that presented particular opportunities for money laundering online gaming investment migration regulation of financial services it was clear that it was these areas were drowning in corruption and by the private getting the prime minister involved directly in them was keeping the regulators at bay wasn't it but i'm not changing i'm not i don't agree that all of these activities and all these different economic sectors are rotten and corrupt there are definitely parts which are and where 11 of the problems i think that we had. respective of the share of human nature with the zionists the that there is when you have such strong economic growth and the regulators are not given enough resources or intentionally. to a certain is there is a skills intention to a certain extent yes but not all of them either but for example when it comes to

financial investigations those have been given a lot of resources i think the biggest problem that we have and the weakest weakest link in the chain is the economic crimes unit of the police and unless that is beefed up and really resourced with well qualified people of integrity this problem will remain because ultimately we're going to be judged on how many people are prosecuted not what i'm telling you now or what we say in granting ground that it's really difficult when the judges and magistrates were appointed by the prime minister was that were the case in a system described by the council of europe's parliamentary assembly as incompatible with judicial independence of the rule of law but i think this is not fair in this case for a very simple reason it does is government the appointment of magistrates hand the judges have been more independent of the executive arm of government than ever before before the prime minister had talked to jurisdiction no it's not like that in the moment there is

a judicial appointment committee and we are intent definitely on taking the steps that the venice commission has indicated you want to use to do so for not on but we have started that i don't usually don't even in the last 30 that differ in the last week even sorry even in the last month apart from the last week sets have been taken to start implementing those recommendations under dinu prime minister in may 2016 when you said things were fine. they plainly weren't were they you said the government had already started in 2016 to introduce a culture of better political responsibility and transparency that wasn't true will you know it all struck those were the measures that i told you about here but 3 years later the council of europe reported that major scandals were arising going unreported and uninvestigated for the 1st time we have we have introduced this is the contradiction of this government and of the muskoka government as well for the 1st time we introduced measures to hold government to account that had never been

introduced before now where they work and they were they weren't working or nuff but why give them away given a free pass say a culture better political responsibility and transparency has been introduced then we have the parliament papers the electorate gas the further hilman the further vittles global health care for the golden passport all all time and again featuring the same key figures close to the prime minister and the police in several instances mysteriously failing to act and none of that was serious enough for you to say you've crossed my red lines you've crossed the many many times i did see it intended. and they repeated the weakest link was and still remains even no and we have to act about the economic crimes it because it's not an afternoon people it's not enough to investigate them then you need to prosecute just about although you know much much more than you are telling. more than you've ever told you know

names you know places you know where the bodies are buried don't you and have you taken a vow of silence no i haven't and if they are you afraid for your is alive one of them you seen what happens to people no tell the truth and that you know of there is that if there is anyone who has not taken a vow of silence is me because i have spoken up i have spoken up time and taken me to dance around the subject you make cryptic comments like justice can be served without fear or favor without burning this country to cinders and without burning or hurting those who want justice done what on earth does not mean it's not critical to the earth does it mean who is it addressed to was addressed to my government but then they pull enough pressure for their change to happen you also there are very face book the country cannot protect murderers money launderers and other criminals justice has to be done and i don't really wasn't the

country protecting these people was it was your fellow politicians and loyal servants like you were either turning a blind eye or actively perverting the course of justice and pushing for that to happen it still has to happen i'm pushing for that to happen just about all who exactly was and is protecting murderers in malta who 1st of all when it comes to the assassination of the cabinet galatea we have. judicial process going gone now because the alleged killers have been brought to justice but you know more than this don't you you know more than this do you mean i know more than this you know more you talk about murderers being protected i'm asking you very simply who's protecting them on malta who i keep on saying well i will keep on pushing for all the truth to come out but you're not answering my question i'm asking you i cannot give you my not have no source and the bones of because of their names why

do the job of police if there are investigations i can assure you that i'm doing my duty in my own have you been to the police. i'm doing my duty i don't know what that means because you kept a 1000000 a surveyor who was clearly more corrupt than he should have been hugely so i will i will keep on pushing for all the truth to come out and they would stake my reputation on that how do we know that when you won't you know the judge you sit in front of the camera and you won't tell me what you want to be judged will be trashed by what happens but it's this is exactly this climate of silence and these networks of criminal corruption that created a permissive environment and allowed someone to believe they could get away with the killing of daphne corona girly and silence free journalism they have and will but they haven't got away with it they haven't got away with it we have had political assassinations before and no one was brought to justice at least in this case we've started doing these things this isn't the end of story no it's not the

end of the story and it cannot be the end of the story that all the truth it's uncovered and by the by admitting that it isn't the end of the story you know that the story goes further and you know that this network that arranged for her assassination hasn't come to light yet has it but the phone says we have to keep on pushing for all the truth of the uncovered. we only have your word that you will do that and on that we'll do it it will happen to have the commitment of the prime minister of israel and the minister for the interior who has started taking the courageous decision but this investigation was tainted from the start with and to do that is that no law some of the council of europe warn that a series of magistrate should have been taken off the case because of conflicts of interest likewise the investigating police officer force claims that sayed said were made by the minister of the interior but progress in the investigation if that's not an investigation tainted with all its all because it did give results

and 11 important point in all this is that there are other services involved including europol so even if there are elements who want to cover up that information is available to the force beyond so that there is a good guarantee that the whole truth will come out definite kerala gilead. didn't have much that was nice to say about you. december 26th in she wrote but tolo were decent and honest with the of stuck with the labor party since the 1970 s. of course not decent and honest people left in droves when they saw what was going on she's right isn't she and no i don't think so and i don't agree with her comment i respect what she had done but i think she was very prettiest against him and if you were decent would he have allowed himself to be part of muskrats power hungry bandwagon because the via and others worked it out from the outside he had to have known it from the inside that they were planning corrupt deals and i don't agree

with him because i did it in my own little way and i'm not trying to kill. put myself in the in the role of a knight in shining armor in my own little way i did what i could to train change things since i've entered politics and these problems that she's writing about she didn't write like that when the other party was in government i have tried to bring about changes in my own lives a look at anyone just corruptors you're aware that this is. the i book to defend my book to the. she reported what she saw in front of she reported what she saw going on in malta at the time she will be able to do a should try to kill me for that i think it's unfair and the baton but it's just about all if you want malta's reputation response a you're going to have to prove that this new government is better than the last one so for the sides are so far the signs are good no i don't think it's the other

karen again it is the son of death he says must get the still the power behind the throne the huge networks of influence and fanatical support in the local bertie no i don't agree with matthew and the steps that have been taken during this month shows that there is a new good will to get things done really look no further than the man i was going said and his family have been happy with the person who has been investigating the death of their of their money bill that they did not they did not say the investigator was corrupt so i didn't say i didn't say they did but look no further than the man with the new justice portfolio edward zammit described as a family friend of the muskets used to go on holiday with them but i can tell you again that the new subs of have been taken in the last month shows that there is a new good will we will be judged not to beat not but what you are saying now but what will happen in the next weeks and in the next month it really doesn't look

very much like it when the contract of the government awarded a contract to the disgraced former minister conrad mitzi the man you wanted to resign after he was named in the panama paper he was offered a job as tourism consultant on $80000.00 euros a year which had to be council rapidly after a huge public and this was a new say this government and that is that was can sit here and so going to through public no pressure no i don't agree but why was he given his account contract in the 1st place he was about to be a legal grudge a new broom sweeping up the corruption you bring in the book one of the most tell. only that contract was done before before the change not after that wasn't a contract signed but under did new prime minister and without public pressure he would have kept you know not you totally disagree and they know what i'm telling you there was a lot of internal pressure and the board through the minister if you want a better reputation for malta

a lot of people are going to have to tell the truth about the corruption in the murder and we've been pretty far from that aren't we especially given the continue attacks we're seeing on free journalism in malta to put what you've actually taught journalists what i do know what their decks often media watchdog reporters without borders spoke last october of a hostile environment for independent. you're showing you don't leave us alone with the defendant journalists and mortar and the prevalence of lawsuits to silence public interest reporting they don't know what they're talking about you know when they sense i'm not saying that they don't know what they're talking but again you might find that this is contradictory but it's true we have liberalized freedom of the press and laws attributed the press in the last 7 years we have decriminalized libel cases they are referring to a number of cases but to show to give the impression that that is rampant and that journalism in malta is in is in jeopardy or a risk is not fair malta is if you are in need for

a low if you are twaddle or what our journalists triton it's very robust and very strong criticism of what goes on more to it says is unique among you countries for having extensive political control of the news media the 2 main political parties own their own t.v. and radio stations as well as both the daily and weekly print media and online portals and the international center for press and media freedoms at the worst risk for malta was a lack of political independence in the media haywood again defend their reality of a microstate where you either have certain excuse not just because the smiths trying to explain because whole how can you have a small newspaper which is viable in malta its side there you either have a political party doing it or you have the state doing good business organizations don't find viable to have a media talk on a slick it is a big challenge to try and understand how to have the media system in malta which

is part of the checks and balances in a democratic society but i repeat that is coming out of the reality of our microstate and it's not only more thought that has this perhaps the most unpleasant aspect of your party has been its attempts to dehumanize stuff nicole and the girl it's not just while she was alive but after her murder. an undercover investigation into secret restricted labor party hate groups online published by the digital paper the shift showed labor party supporters celebrating her killing within hours of the crime being committed the journalist was described in the facebook post as an evil witch who should burn in hell are you proud of this part of your definitely not and that still clearly an acceptable and they made it very clear that to forestall to linux have been totally unacceptable and i hope and i'm at least happy that in the last month even the national monument where there is

a memorial to her has not been disturbed at all and they really hope that nearer the sun a little more a good day on the hill is a great deal more or not to celebrate i'm saying that that please that is happening and they really hope that very nearby there will be a monument for her for the world that she did the part that she did above to investigate her investigating corruption these facebook groups were actually administered by and home to senior government and labor party officials at one point the prime minister himself former prime minister was part of it what does that tell you about your beloved global pirtle that part i don't like and it's part of the local political culture which is not nice of the local political culture to celebrate her assassination calling her relatives a family of animals and completely unacceptable but there are fortunately it's part of the terminology sometimes in local political culture which cheetham terms used because the liberal participators as read your daughter love you all the way to deal to get

a new reputation with all this behind you have done to whom you as i said we have to change change is painful but it will be more for you painful if we don't change every spatola thanks very much for being for culprits thank you.

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