culture. hair. life style. you know more you talk about a world who is being protected by most can you very simply who's protecting you i'm all. i keep on saying. i will keep on pushing for all the truth come out after the murder of the prominent journalist. itself has become a byword for violence and corruption my guest this week here in munich is the country's

foreign minister everest. he says he wants to improve tarnished image but how many more secrets have to come out before that will be possible. ever spatola welcome to conflict so thank you for made it clear that in the wake of the murder of daphne corona and all the corruption scandals that have followed that malta needs to rebuild its reputation that isn't going to happen until their body starts telling the truth is that i agree at the fact when i was appointed for and i 1st minister because they told me to go ahead and see what you can do i made that very clear not a beautician or a plastic surgeon here there are a glib things which have to be dealt with they have to be dealt with in most contentious reality and not of the presentation of reality well. get into possibly

what some of those dirty things are but i'm curious why former ministers like you supported a government that you knew was rotten to the core where when things started coming out of the time of the bottom up a post of yours to succeed i made it very clear that thought i'd accept the bill. but you say go on i stayed on. i had the choice. i admire savonarola but they had my galileo more i had to i had the survival strategy where i could fight another but there we used that experience to get there with got to fallujah has europe of the party at the time and now he's in the democratic party to negotiate things to make the government more accountable but your collective silence over the years helped cement in power a government that became a byword for corruption with conflicts of interest multiplying in the prime minister's office and the rule of law or seriously undermined and you went along

with that by staying in the government. they have said recently that perhaps. it would have been wiser to resign in 2016 as a pressure to change things i acknowledge that but i have spoken even of the over the last 4 years against what you have just said it is a big question of a lot of. moving i will get on to say that i don't think it was very very i don't think of it if you were to live in a small society like more of the you know the world the way i spoke and what i said was very very clear o.c. c.r.p. the highly respected organized crime and corruption reporting project i'm sure you know it they named joseph must get person of the year for 2019 an annual award that highlights an individual who has done most to advanced organized criminal activity and corruption in a given year it's a pretty shameful ward to the menu worked for isn't it but they've made it clear to

him even in 2016 that the tours going to be in his interest to take the necessary steps to get those people in government who are involved with the money part of our papers and he didn't pay the huge price for it so how do you feel he deserves the award. and i think i made it very clear to him that it was in his interest for a person to have contributed so much to a konami group to the introduction of civil liberties and more to it then to have his record painted with that weather doesn't excuse him for what he did later doesn't know just because the economy was booming you know of course murder and corruption were also new meaning of them to have made it also very clear that economic growth shouldn't come at any expense we should have a can on the growth with a pool of law and it can govern o.c. c.r.p. said that under muskets leadership criminality and corruption have flourished and in many cases gone unpunished creating an environment that led to the 27000 murder

of tough knicker on the goalie if they knew that the same message was coming from other international watchdogs you had to know what was going on yourself delish not completely and that no i don't like to and i'm not trying to get away from this. first of all one of the big problems that we have and again i'm not trying to explain it away is that in our small society. personal networks personal relations are stronger than institutional once and at the expense of the public but it is going so it's not because unfortunately the rule of family or do law friends is stronger than the rule of law and this is an issue that we have to deal with and have come to a point now that we cannot delay taking all the necessary steps and no more. so that's an outrageous assertion there isn't it minister to go and say the personal relationships are worth more than the rule of law but if you were in government what's worth more than the rule of law yes but in the small society that i'm seeing

and there again i'm not trying to excuse and pick a small island states like malta microstates which are not as the size of munich but one 3rd of its population. it is true that when you look at the primary groups of friends and families and then the 2nd the groups are institutions should come in the 1st group and the 2nd group it's very poorest there is no bond there between one and the other columns saying is that in our society this it is a more formidable challenge to make sure that there is the rule of law that there are rules and there are regulators who serve in government are expected to accept that challenge and right is really all they give one of the things you limited was that you didn't take a stronger stand in 2016 against the least one of those minister friends of the former prime minister conrad mitzi who had been named in the panama papers your biggest political mistake you called it even so your behavior was inexplicable

wasn't it you called publicly for mit's his resignation but you refused to endorse the parliamentary vote of no confidence against him or because the way the motion had been framed and then the amendments that were put to death made it possible for us to hold the government to my government to introduce measures to increase accountability there but in the end you helped to keep in office a man whose behavior in your own view had been shot the a new adequate my signature old my single vote to have made a difference that had every was going to vote makes a difference on the bottom but now doesn't know but not in that case with you where you have suppose you started another girl you didn't stand for your prince i agree with you but i tried to use that to negotiate measures to hold the government to account now when it happened when the city was impossible. well some measure started coming in but then when this time when you started coming after november i

made it very clear that i was going to resign and they said either they go or i go and they made enough pressure for them to go. but the fact is that your silence and your continued support of the former prime minister made you and your colleagues complicit in this dysfunctional corrupt system i tried to use internal pressure to get things done this time in november talk to remain i don't want him in any p. code part of this swamp of corruption and financial curb i try to do my bit i said they haven't done enough but i am committed to do all i can to because this is a very important time for us it's a moment of truth i would call it we have been exist a shield crossroads since our independence 55 years ago we either get our house in order or we i think threaten our sovereignty and our level of the motor but there's been so many warnings like that before heaven then they were ignored in 2017 year

and chief justice sylvia comey larry warned that instead of the rule of law malta was heading to what he called the rule of delinquents now that was enough to change anybody's mind then wasn't warning in stark sharp terms like there. could be when when things start to become more clear for us because you might think that i'm trying to get away from what you're telling me but it's only recently that things became so clear to us what was happening i know that even in 2016 they warned that there was a shadow government and the network of decision makers that were that were influencing what has happened but you didn't name names did you might think it was clear who i was referring to believe it wasn't oh it's all in the 63 that i think it was the unit leave given that the same people were still in government and still are part of the establishment. i made internal pressure and i didn't manage to get them committed to concede that the whole system was in fact set up to to bypass

independent scrutiny and prevent any kind of accountability wasn't it i mean the pit the prime minister's office for instance took over responsibility for areas that presented particular opportunities for money laundering online gaming investment migration regulation of financial services it was clear that it was these areas were drowning in corruption and by the pratt getting the prime minister involved directly in them was keeping the regulators at bay wasn't it but i'm not i'm not i don't agree that all these activities and all these different economic sectors are rotten and corrupt there are definitely parts which are and where one of the problems i think that we have had. irrespective of the share of human nature with the zone of city that there is when you have such strong economic growth and the regulators are not given enough resources or intentionally.

to a certain is there's a skills intention to a certain extent yes but not all of them i'd there but for example when it comes to financial investigations those have been given a lot of resources i think the biggest problem that we have and the weakest weakest link in the chain is the economic crimes unit of the police and unless that is beefed up and really resourced with well qualified people of integrity this problem will remain because ultimately we're going to be judged on how many people are prosecuted not what i'm telling you now or what we say in ground in ground that's really difficult when the judges and magistrates were appointed by the prime minister was that were the case in a system described by the council of europe's parliamentary assembly as incompatible with judicial independence and the rule of law but i think this is not fair in this case for a very simple reason it does is government the appointment of magistrate turned the judges have been more independent of the executive arm of government than ever

before before the prime minister had talked to jurisdiction no it's not like that anymore there is a judicial appointment committee and we are intent definitely on taking the steps that the venice commission has indicated you want to use to do so for known but we have started that i don't you see even in the last 30 that differed in the last week even sorry even in the last month apart from the last week sets have been taken for soft implementing those recommendations under dinu prime minister in may 26th being when you said things were fine. they plainly weren't were they you said the government has already started in 2016 to introduce a culture of better political responsibility and transparency that wasn't true will you know it all's true those were the measures that i thought you about 3 years later the council of europe reported that major scandals were arising going unreported and uninvestigated for the 1st time we have we have introduced this is

the contradiction of this government and of the most corrupt government as well for the 1st time we introduced measures to hold government to account that had never been introduced before now where they were they were they weren't working or nuff but why give them away give them a free pass say a culture of better political responsibility and transparency has been introduced then we have the parliament papers the electorate gets the further hilman the further vittles global health care for the golden passport all all time and again featuring the same key figures close to the prime minister and the police in several instances mysteriously failing to act and none of that was serious enough for you to say you've crossed my red lines you've crossed the many many times i did see it entirely. and they repeated the weakest link was and still remains even now and we have to act about the economic crimes unit because it's not enough to name people it's not enough to investigate them then you need to prosecute just about

although you know much much more than you're telling them. more than you've ever told you know names you know places you know where the bodies are buried don't you . have you taken a vow of silence no i have it and if there are you afraid for your alive one of them you see what happens to people no tell the truth and that you know very little of that if there is anyone who has not taken a vow of silence. because i have spoken up i have spoken up time and taken her to dance around the subject you make cryptic comments like justice can be served without fear or favor without burning this country to cinders and without burning or hurting those who want justice done what on earth is not clean it's not critical to the earth does it mean who is it addressed it was addressed to my government but then they pull enough pressure for that change to happen you also there are on

facebook the country cannot protect murderers money launderers and other criminals justice has to be done and i don't really wasn't the country protecting these people was it was your fellow politicians then loyal servants like you were either turning a blind eye or actively perverting the course of justice and pushing for that to happen it still has to happen and pushing for that to happen just about all who exactly was an is protecting murderers in malta who 1st of all when it comes to the assassination of the flicker of an ability we have. a judicial process going gone now because the alleged killers have been brought to justice but you know more than this don't you you know more than this i know more than this you know more you talk about murderers being protected i'm asking you very simply who's protecting them on malta who i keep on saying went i will keep on pushing for all the truth

to come out but you're not answering my question i'm asking you one cannot give you might not have no course an abundance of because of their names why don't generalize to the police if there are investigations that i can assure you that i'm doing my duty in my own beans of the police. i'm doing my duty that i got there was that means because you kept a 1000000 a surveyor who was clearly more corrupt than he should have been hugely so i will i will keep on pushing for all the truth to come out and they would stake my reputation on that how do we know that when you won't you know the judge you sit in front of the camera and you won't tell me what you want to be judged a would be trashed by what happens but it's this is exactly this climate of silence and these networks of criminal corruption that created a permissive environment and allowed someone to believe they could get away with the killing have gotten occur on the and silence free journalism they have on law but they haven't got away with it they haven't come here with it we have had

political assassinations before and no one was brought to justice at least in this case we've started doing these things this isn't the end of as story no it's not the end of the story and it cannot be the end of the story at all the truth it's uncovered and by the by admitting that it isn't the end of the story you know that the story goes further and you know that this network that arranged for her assassination hasn't come to light yet has it but this phone says we have to keep on pushing for all the truth to be uncovered. we only have your word that you'll do that and on with that we'll do it it will happen we have the commitment of the prime minister of israel and the minister for the interior who has started taking a courageous decision but this investigation was tainted from the start for them to do this is no law some of the council of europe one that a series of magistrate should have been taken off the case because of conflicts of interest likewise the investigating police officer forced claims that sayed said

were made by the minister of the interior but progress in the investigation if that's not an investigation tainted with them it is all because it did give results and 11 important point in all this is that there are other services involved including the report so even if there are elements who want to cover up that information is available to the force beyond malta so that is a good guarantee that the whole truth will come out. that there kerala gilead's here didn't have much that was nice to say about you did she. said the 2016 she wrote if bartolo were decent and honest would be of stuck with the labor party since the 1970 is of course not decent and honest people left in droves when they saw what was going on she's right isn't she and no i don't think so and i don't agree with her comment i respect what she had this done but i think she was very prejudiced against him and if you were decent would he have allowed himself to

be part of muskrats power hungry bandwagon because there via and others worked it out from the outside he had to have known it from the inside that they were planning corrupt deals and i don't agree with him because i did it in my own little way and i'm not trying to kill. put myself in the in the role of a knight in the china government in my own little way i did what i could to train change things since i've entered politics and these problems that she's writing about she didn't write like that and the other party was in government i have tried to bring about changes in my own little result to get only one just corrupt as you're aware that is an idea but i beg to differ i beg to differ. she reported what she saw in front of she reported what she saw going on in malta at the time she will be as but to a should try to leave before that i think it's unfair and the baton but it's just about all if you want malta's reputation really spray you're going to have to prove

that this new government is better than the last one so for the sides are so far the signs are good no i don't think it's going to occur on the guillotine assailant the son of death he says must go to still the power behind the throne the huge networks of influence and fanatical support in the labor liberty no i don't agree with matthew and the steps that have been taken during this month shows that there is a new good will to get things done really look no further than the minimum we can said and his family have been happy with the person who has been investigating the death of their of them on the bill that they did not they did not say that the investigator was was corrupt so i didn't say i didn't say they did but look no further than the man with the new justice portfolio edward zammit described as a family friend of the muskets used to go on holiday with them but i can tell you again that the new subs of have been taken in the last month shows that there is

a new good will we will be judged not repeat not but what we are saying now but what will happen in the next weeks and in the next month it really doesn't look very much like it when the contract the government awarded a contract to the disgraced former minister conrad mitzi. the man you wanted to resign after he was named in the panama paper he was offered a job as tourism consultant on $80000.00 euros a year which had to be counselled rapidly after a huge public and defrauded new say this government then bet is at a loss can sit your council going to through public no question no i don't agree but why was he given a 6 month contract in the 1st place if he was about to be illegal rather than new broom sweeping up the corruption you bring in the book one of the most eloquently tell me that contract was done before before the change not after that wasn't a contract signed but 100 new prime minister and without public pressure he would have kept you know not you totally disagree and they're not what i'm telling you there was a lot of internal pressure and the board through the minister if you want

a better reputation for malta a lot of people going to have to tell the truth about the corruption in the murder and we've been pretty far from that aren't we especially given the continue attacks we're seeing on free journalism in malta you've actually taught journalists more about the if you will of the know what the decks are for nuclear watchdog reporters without borders spoke last october of a hostile environment for independent. you're shaking your head leave us alone with him for going to rome that journalists in malta and the prevalence of lawsuits to silence public interest reporting they don't know what they're talking about you know nowhere in the sense that i'm not saying that they don't know what they're talking but again you might find that this is contradictory but it's true we have liberalized freedom of the press and loss of tributed the press in the last 7 years we have decriminalized libel cases they are referring to

a number of cases but to show to give the impression that that is rampant and that journalism in malta is in is in jeopardy or a risk is not fair malta is if you are in need follow if you are twaddle or what a journalist strike and that is very robust and very strong criticism of what goes on more to it says is unique among you countries for having extensive political control of the news media the 2 main political parties own their own t.v. and radio stations as well as both the daily and weekly print media and online portals and the international center for press and media freedoms at the worst risk for malta was a lack of political independence in the media haywood again defend their reality of a microstate where you either have certain excuse not just because you smith is trying to explain because whole how can you have a small newspaper which is viable a mortar it side there the way they have a political party doing it or you have the state doing good business organization

don't don't find viable to have a media talk on asli it is a big challenge to try and understand how to have a media system in malta which is part of the checks and balances in a democratic society but i repeat that is coming out of the reality of our microstate and it's not only more thought that has this dobs the most unpleasant aspect of your party has been its attempts to dehumanize stuff and occur on the glitzier not just while she was alive but after her murder. an undercover investigation into secret restricted labor party hate groups online published by the digital paper the shift showed labor party supporters celebrating her killing within hours of the crime being committed the journalist was described in the facebook post as an evil witch who should burn in hell are you proud of this part of your definitely not and that it's totally unacceptable and they made it very clear that it was thought to lyrics have been told to an acceptable and i hope and

i'm at least happy that in the last month even the national monument where there is a memorial to her has not been disturbed at all and they really hope that near the selection some of them are going on to tell it it's a great deal more or not to celebrate i'm saying that that pleased that this happened and they really hope that very nearby there would be a monument to her for what they were that she did the part that she did above to investigate her investigating corruption these facebook groups were actually administered by and home to senior government and labor party officials at one point the prime minister himself former prime minister was part of it but does that tell you about your beloved global pirtle that part i don't like and that's part of the local political culture which is not nice of the local political culture to celebrate her assassination calling her relatives a family of animals and completely unacceptable but there are fortunately it's part

of the terminology sometimes the local political culture which if something is used because the labor party supporters as red you think of all the water bill to get a new reputation with all this behind you have done to remove as i said you have to change change is painful but it would be more of a painful if we don't change every spatola thanks very much for being employed culprits thank you. the back.

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