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and those that will follow are part of a new process. they could be the future. granting opportunities global news that matters d.w. made for mines. in the. city life is losing its appeal. millions of people in asia africa and world centers like new york and tokyo have been escaping the crowds for the countryside. space fresh air. many others have lost jobs and moved back home to their rural families. the mass migration has seen real estate prices saw in outlying suburbs and community the

great escape. welcome to the show we're experiencing an historic reversal in the global surge of people digimon small towns of the country for the allure of the big city the pen demick is changing so much. when cynthia time by new needs water she can no longer open except that she could harness her like a few weeks ago she lost her office drop in the city and moved back to her village to our fiesta collect water from any neighbors tech. if. this was i'm hoping to get more on training so that i can connect my work to straight pay because everything in the 6 you do is inside the house so there's not a lot of good outside. except going maybe jogging or going to wake. her daughter's remains in the village while their mother spent 80 years of the city working to support them trips home where it wasn't making sense and where because i had to pay

rent home. at the same time i took some money to my kids' home and also with the percent of us looking after my kids so it wasn't a long thing at all so i thought i might as well just come back home and be with my kids and do something here. for me and my family now the 38 year old is turning a pastime into a profession and her small house she bakes spreads and this hits. she receives up to 7 orders a week and has already made enough to invest in an oven her daughter's cell powered they are happy to have their mom back home. we did you must remember to have more. rice and. when you're confronted. and after living in the city since the scheme to offer advice many of us is on the boat 'd being merry having. the state not so many

young women that are independent but getting to see women. in their lives it encourages me it helped me go on how the move and it hasn't even begun. cultivating fruit for export is just one of the business opportunities she could explore here in the village. cynthia is full of ideas and optimism for her new life in her home village but also here in the rural areas people are feeling the. the coronavirus crisis and the economic consequences of the knock down. since he has determined to persevere in her backyard she's already working on her next project. i want to. create a small place this small place is like i'll be sending. people like us so that people do not have to go to town to get pizza so they can only get it

locally the rest of the little money that i'm getting from baking is one thing that i'm trying to save so that i can be able to do that cynthia tom bonnie is happy to let her daughters moved to the city to continue their education but she's certain her own future lies here in the countryside. sam brannan leads the risk and foresight group at the center for strategic and international studies have cities there are a little or is this just temporary. in my view it's temporary and the reason is because of course there are a lot of reasons you would not want to be in a city right now the disease is more transmissible among densely populated populations and it is more transposable indoors both of which define cities and of course through public transit we see higher rates of transmission as well some forms of public transport in any case but i think the long term the growth of

cities is just unstoppable or in a cot to me in the labor market now where people need to be clustered for innovation economy for flexibility between jobs for technology bases and so everything is moving in that direction and as soon as we have a vaccine hopefully next year i think really humanity will be in a hurry to sort of get back to where things were before this began on the other hand i do think the idea of working remotely the nature of work itself perhaps the reduction of commercial real estate these are factors that we're moving before hand and have been excel or aided by the pandemic i've been reading a lot of people feel safe in the country or safer in the place they grew up but i've also been reading that a lot of broke remote communities and and country towns all it takes is one infected person to enter and the disease can spread like wildfire i mean this is

whole concept of safety have you defined that. yeah so i think the disease obviously moved faster between cities initially they were connected by air corridors there were more people and before we really knew how to take the necessary measures against the virus or we didn't do so effectively you saw a lot of transmission and city so they were the 1st place the pandemic hit but france is the united states we now see much higher rates of transmission in rural areas. and we're beginning to see in rural areas around the world pretty fragile health systems that are rapidly overwhelmed when the virus shows up there so it's a bit of a false sense of security really people are not safe anywhere right now from the virus if they're not taking the sort of distancing and mask wearing and other other measures. and so in many ways you're probably better off in a city right now if you're following those precautions but obviously people are

returning home also for economic reasons they may have lost their jobs they may not be pay rent so it's really it's a it's a difficult time it's an insecure time no matter where you are and of course the pandemic is an ovum but but what about the next one because we're told next one will hit at some stage will cities be better prepared. you would hope so this should be a wake up call i mean in many ways the 2 cities that were hardest hit by this were with china new york city and new york and neither really appeared to be prepared for what happened in cities around the world likewise you know it's a very uneven response seattle in the united states on the other hand where there's been a lot of thinking about disease preparedness seem to be much better equipped there was a lot more remote work early but part of it for cities is going to be to decide you know can you sort of shut things down rapidly particularly err air transport

appears to have played a really big role in the initial spread here and so having a plan for that next pandemic keeping an epidemic from becoming a pandemic is critical here and really the biggest lesson learned i think was that everything moved too slow and there was a sense that something that was overseas couldn't just so rapidly as a plane flight arrive in your own city so there's a lot of work to be done by cities and so much disbelief a lot of people believing it wouldn't hit them or affect them well what about the world's major cities in developing countries. yeah so i think that's a particular challenge because when we say cities it's a big war but there's a lot of difference between cities that are rich cities and poor cities increasingly there are these hyper dense cities that are developing and in africa and in south asia. and in parts of china as well and

you know this is going to put really big strains on the cities were already people are eating out life on the margins and you know i think what we don't see a lot when we talk about migration is that a lot of migration inside of developing countries happens from the countryside to these big cities in within countries before people leave the country so there's a lot of development work to be done as well and trying to figure out how to make those cities safer and safer from pandemics climate change a lot of things that we're going to be experiencing that greater rates over the next decade and beyond sam brown and thank you very much for being on the show today thank you. and you'll turn to us a question is our science correspondent derek williams. my wife has cancer and different on college ists of told her different things about her risk levels if she catches curve at 19 so is she more at risk from the disease

. i'm not a physician so i can't answer this question directly for a specific patient but but what i can do is try to bring you up to speed on what researchers have been finding out about the connections between cancer and covert 19 for many months now trustworthy sources like the world health organization and national health authorities have listed cancer as a co-morbidity with clear time is 2 more severe covert 19 outcomes but as a new study involving over a 1000 patients in britain points out cancer is of course not really a single disease but actually a wide range of them which is why the researchers said that blanket statements like cancer is a risk factor are really reasonable or informative. so what they did was

split up cancer patients who taught coded 19 by their particular cancer subtypes to see if some of those patients were hit harder by the disease than others and and they found something interesting sars cove to susceptibility they say was worse in people who had cancers that affects the blood or lymph system like leukemia or lymphoma which backs up earlier smaller scale chinese and european studies that came to similar conclusions so the evidence seems to be growing that while cancers in general put you at more risk when compared to the general population some types like these a logical cancers likely put you at more risk than others. and before we go let's see if i can do you up with this last story the new york state fairs annual butter sculpture of

a life size exhibit called nourishing our future is made entirely out of bada one panel shows parents having their kids food the other side shows kids home schooled with a teacher's face on a laptop. i'm hungry i beg for zylon see again. conflicts these days america's religious rights are in the spotlight your worst groups are active in europe and elsewhere seeking to overturn the whole rocks the rules for the legalized among other things abortion and gay marriage the world congress of families provides a powerful platform for such groups for this week one of it's found those alan tonelson joins me from rockford illinois conflicts are. on the. w. b. singing

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the truth through the awfulness of the creation of our solar system with our planet is a bit like winning the lottery that there is only going to. what is earth more unique start september 18th on g.w. . they have done a better job in terms of expecting family he has done oh so good job somewhat amazingly to promote the pro-life and shabbos reading people alone. in their bedrooms were further real in general but these days america's religious rights are in the spotlight as they support donald trump's bid to get a 2nd term in the white house for their activities are confined to the u.s. numerous groups are active in europe and elsewhere seeking to overturn a whole raft of laws for the legalized among other things. abortion and gay

marriage the world congress of families provides a powerful platform for such groups and this week one of its founders alan carlson joins me from rockford illinois what lies behind his close connections with russia and why won't he leave the gay community i love. alan carlson welcome to conflicts around the world congress of families is a very benign name for a group that's credited with inflicting considerable misery on many people around the world these days the southern poverty law center which has tracked your movement for a very long time so you're one of the key driving forces behind the religious right's global export of homophobia and classifies you as a hate group do you wear that with pride. i don't accept the label at all not we're

not a group at all the southern poverty law center has its own agenda its own fundraising goals and it distorts the truth of events i.c.'s approach and we group yes as a pro-life group we affirm understandings of the natural family a family based off and focused on the procreation and bearing of children and we see that as protecting nationally style that family form is vital to the future of the human race so why is it then the conferences have frequently featured plenty of hate speech haven't they let me quote some of them to you tell the l g p t tolerance tyrants this lavender mafia these homo fascists these rainbow radicals that they're not welcome to promote their anti religious and anti civilizational propaganda this was from one of the speakers in tbilisi may 26th that certainly fits the hate speech bill doesn't it i don't think something i think you talk some

out of a conflict over i only different views of human life and human nature. and it also reflects the reality that the l.g.b. table but in some places it in some ways and sometimes has become very. actually hate based has focused very much on attacking its opponents and dehumanizing them so that they don't know about. aren't there the hate groups now are they well certainly they they they bear some of the characteristics of being a hate group yes they do not listen to arguments they do not respond to rational arguments they seek to silence people and they seek the silence particularly those who are motivated by religious faith so i yes there is something close to 8 replaced though i'm not. again at these to say well you have had frequent speaker in tow conferences scott lively the man who proclaims that gay people were

sponsible for the holocaust and the rwandan genocide he was sued in u.s. district court for his role in promoting an anti-gay law in uganda and the judge ruled the case couldn't be tried in the u.s. but his comments were highly constructive if scott lively he said added a did a vicious and frightening campaign of repression of. people in uganda this crack thought bigotry added could be brushed aside as pathetic except for the terrible harm it can cause question before the court is not whether the defendant's actions in aiding and abetting efforts to demonize intimidate an injury l g b t people in uganda constitute violations of international law they do that really sums up what you and your friends are about doesn't it crackpot bigotry the words of a u.s. district judge well scott likely has not been that close of a friend to this but it is true rip through something of

a mid-air one of my colleagues and led him to a planning meeting and he was there i certainly know it's true i'm not sure and i think scott goes too far and has gone too far so i don't think you're dealing with a representative person of our of our movement or organization i think scott's work bush has the edge to far and i am not i don't affirm it but you have been repudiated him in the past have you. well actually i have i have put out a saying saying jacki what i said in a number of interviews that is claims to have influenced policy in places like uganda and russia i said i just don't think are true this is just one example as i said the of the rhetoric used by you is stuff designed to inspire fear and hatred of homosexuals isn't that in 2014 the w.c. have claimed that it's cofa civic dialogue that it had never taken a position for or against so called sodomy laws nor had it attempted to roll back

the rights gained by these individuals that was pure nonsense wasn't it the human dignity trust claims that through your support fandy gay legislation you helped turn gays in many countries into outlaws outside the protection of the law was that your aim i don't know any case where we had any direct role or even in any direct role at least in such changes it is true we have never taken a formal view on i guess or call it out a sodomy laws and in fact my main my so my concern when i was certainly right was. in the organisation i've retired now but when i was leaving the organization my focus was always on the protection of natural marriage and the understanding is that by and large leaving people alone. in their bedrooms was was perfectly legitimate. what it became an issue is whether they wanted to make public policy

building around or truly family farms as some call it i would call it as a builder of rejection of the natural family model and the recently extended should support that and that rattle alone it does that's where children come from that's where children are born it's where a stable relationships between mothers and fathers are really important finally a future of their nations and each of the children that's been our focus and i think you'd be looking at sort of what i recall some say. not the main message but maybe some extreme edges of things where. i just don't accept the argument where you say you have never attempted and i was asian says it's never attempted to roll back the rights gained by the community the w.c.s. never has never will advocate for any policy that bring harm to innocent individuals

but one of your leading lights in africa to raise oka for form a w c f person of the year as being key in trying to roll back al g b t rights in africa she strongly supported a gay harsh anti-gay law in nigeria and this is a law of the not only mandated long jail sentences for gay sex but banned gay people from meeting in groups that's policing the bedroom isn't it and that's what she stood for up to 10 years in jail because you love someone of the same sex if you feel good about that. well if you're going to modest reese is a good roman catholic and she's been working to defend and protect. the christian understanding of marriage and. and defend and protect our children and she can carry on her like on that hasn't she done to carlson she's been pushing for laws that provides up to 10 years in jail because you love someone of the same sex i'm asking you whether you approve of that so i approve of and i sodomy laws in

the united states joe nigeria deal with its own issues i think you may be exaggerating her views on some of those things but let's assume that they're correct again i'm. certain that your is a different circumstance a different situation different point in its history that we are today so. i will i will say that the research has been a friend of the of the movement. and. i'll just leave it at that and you think it would be fair for somebody to spend 10 years in jail because they love someone of the same sex i think it would be share that society and law reinforces a projects that defends the national family and that reinforces a protection defense children and protects them from sexual behaviors but you're not healthy for the children you're not on seeing the question the carson you like

to play something you like to play semantic games up to 10 years in jail because you love someone of the same sex whose business is that so you know business somebody is business who people love is it is an american city right here you're right it's not my business but you've spent many many years trying to get people to police sexuality personal sexuality. to protect children yes. that's because nowhere are they casualties your organization has produced more power than in russia your major partner in china to crack down on the gay community where you've been incredibly i would say even brutally successful 5 years after russia passed its law against gay propaganda a law that you personally and the w.c. have to light it in helping to construct hate crimes against lesbian gay bisexual

and transgender people were reported to have doubled do you consider that a good achievement. i'm think you're drawing some conclusions or that may or may not be correct the 2 may not be related. to law in russia which again i think was related and focused on russians situations and russian issues and russian historical developments were focused on the protection of children not authorize sure encourage in a directory of an indirect way. 8 actions or to describe it said no you cannot assist propagandize on sexual radicalism torched that's a chair but whether you intended it or not in the 6 years after this law was passed police in the semi autonomous region of chechnya felt chechnya felt empowered to launch a massive wave of unlawful detentions beatings and ritual humiliations of men presumed

to be gay police kicked them with booted feet beat them with sticks and pipes and tortured several with electric shocks. why don't you stand up for their rights do you think that's a good thing for police to do with gays. a no i don't and i don't think the right my russian friends would say that was the way the law was intended to be implemented as i don't think it was why don't they say that in public and why don't you say that in public they have to sit in public i just said yeah but why didn't you say it before i actually have when i've been asked the question i mean a few years ago the british actor in the callan visited moscow he required a bodyguard as he pointed out for one reason only he's gay and that's the kind of russia you praise isn't it the one that presents such a threat to the l g b t community i present russia then ask how much. a

russia terrible period known as communism a terrible century of the 20th century massive period of death from slaughter if you logical conflict. followed by a period when they tried western liberalism not the good kind of western liberalism but the tried and that left everything run loose and free and they found that their families just a must in collapse and so they've been trying to put things back together again. and i think these are a pretty good job and the last 1520 years. not perfect. certainly has not written the laws that they have but most of them look like big improvement for russia they have done a better job in terms of protecting family and i think children from crete from mercian and the structural bit sexuality that's not healthy for the children as a. pretty good job and the fact that the kremlin uses laws to silence l g b

t activists suppress peaceful protests and sense of online expression is not your concern. well you say those things i'm tired not sure what specifics you're talking about it is my concern to that they try to do this as as and as reasonable and honorable way as they can sometimes that doesn't happen i grant that but i can't just sit here and. condemn her criticize specifics which i have not had a chance to look at it well has a specific in 2014 just off the russia had seized crimea and an operational most universally condemned you know managing director at the time larry jacobs declare i think russia is the hope for the world right now to be clear about the context russia had just bought through an international border and that the staggering

state aggression and the w c f was similar tenuously telling the world what a great country russia was you happy that you become a fully fledged p.r. agency for the kremlin. actually i was very unhappy for a personal w.c.s. reasons about the wii u. earlier and incursion the invasion would actually ation of of the crimea why we had planned a world congress a family session in moscow for october 24th when we were going to be the primary sponsor and that was on its way happening the invasion of the crimea took place sanctions were imposed by the united states and by european union and those sanctions some of them were targeted at people who were involved in the russian meeting we had to cancel our there's a patient you went along anyway you went to you you know people went along anyway and you name the congress something different. i wasn't there and i had you know

people date you had people who were my feet some some of my allies did none of them were actual employees of my organization some were contractors who were some of the essence faces on set or would be an example that i was always a contractor not a white one of our employees well why did you not stand up and condemn the repression that followed russia's siege of crimea. you set yourself up as as a more hands and i say as if one has to choose one's issue is i'm a historian i'm a story in a modern europe and i understand the complicated history behind. relationship treat crimea ukraine or russia belarus and the old soviet empire. now i wish they had not done so and zacharias asked i did but i buy my issues i've

tried to stay focused on the family issues. and like to say my own. potential to take part in that moscow congress which i didn't want to do very much was spoilt by the invasion of the crimea and so i regret it for a very personal reason you don't seem to regret what your own government has been talking about which is that the russian authorities in occupied crimea were continuing and are continuing to persecute and intimidate minority religious congregations you of course said nothing about that either you seem to manage a kind of tunnel visioned up to carlson in which you don't look at the bigger picture you're simply interested in your own rights and you don't care whether people repress others or create unfair conditions for them you simply focused on your own issue. you preach a kind of morality to the rest of the world but what's what's moral about the

russians persecuting and intimidating minority religious congregations and you staying silent about that what's moral about that. first of all i say i would agree with you i do have a kind of a tunnel vision in terms of the public advocacy of the work i've done i don't reject that because one starts one's once one starts wandering into other questions related questions then there are others or not there's another is pretty soon you're lose your focus and no one's going to pay attention to you so yes i do have a kind of a tunnel vision on that. side a blind eye to to repression on a grand scale just to advance your own rather not a definition of what you think a family should be you have no redlines nobody's to shady tomorrow to cook it for you as long as they're on your side when it comes to the family your happy to deal with the current well i want to say that there's certainly there are lies or some people i don't deal with and you mentioned scott lightly i made it very clear i did

want to ask out lightly involved in our work going forward. so i know there are lots and. there with assets in politics your alliances are with sometimes with people whose maybe you're whose motives are not pure that's all objects you know when you collect a vote for some from someone for political for other oluseyi like cancer there and deeply analyze what lays behind that but if you cared about humanity you would you would on the lies that if you cared about religious freedom you would care about what the russians have been doing to persecute religious minorities in crimea but you've never spoken publicly about that. well not sure if that's true but i let's let's let's go with what you just set what we have been know it and i think one of the things our involvement in russia has done has been to change the

trajectory of the russian orthodox church which. prior to about 20 years ago was very inward looking. just focused on its own agenda its own the ology its own relationships i think we have helped to bring the russian orthodox church into a new kind of a human isn't it human ism. of. involving working together for the 1st time. with roman catholics with protestants with it even mormons latter day saints church on a pro-family pro-life agenda and i think it's it's been a dramatic change in the look of the orthodox church while they still jealously protect their own privileges and interests in russia i am standing up i think that's loosening up and i hope maybe we've had some effect and help in doing that but then again you're not interested in any of that you. know i'm interested in all

of it but i also understand the limits of my own involvement in these things how much money have the russians given you know group not a single dime no not in terms of sponsorship not in terms of funding you know some of your congresses never received any money that nice congress in moscow was funded completely by russian sources but in terms of money passing through our books share . we we have not received anything now. one point i would have happily accepted. that we said we did she could i would grant that but it's really since $24.00 change 2050 and. there's not even efforts to seek funding from the russians chuck bass or is in terms of money coming into this organization. from russia. we've never accepted any money and they're

really given any money is not the way to put it. let's talk up to carlson about donald trump you'll get your vote in november willie. probably a serial liar who paid off a porn actress to keep quiet becomes the standard bearer for the christian right in america i don't get it is this the best you can do sadly it may be the best you can do right now given the way the american political system works donald trump is a flawed human being i all of us but his flaws are a little more flagrant so. with that said he has done a superb job somewhat amazingly to promote the pro-life agenda that got him portion that. far more consistently than any other. president before and for that you're prepared to you're prepared to look away i mean this is

a man so crooked where he's hand-picked senior assistance that 6 of them have faced criminal charges the president has authored more than 20000 false or misleading statements since he went to the white house according to the washington post a bipartisan senate report last week on his campaign connections with russia actually described the president and associates of his campaign as often incapable of candor and both republicans and democrats signed off on that what more does trump have to do to lose the support of groups like yours. well he's been stopped if he stopped. doing. it lamenting policies regulations or posing laws involved in foreign policy such as the united nations the stocks are still pouring family and life. we lose our support. our american system is a very strong one i in some ways wish we had a european multi-party system

a lot is here right now donald trump is the is the only game in town and he's a fool again else lot of character but on these issues he's done remarkably well and he's been better than i anticipated 4 years ago that's because in a final thought your morality seems very much like a moveable ceased on the one hand you condemn l g b t activities because you say that to morrow but on you're prepared to really look away from some of the egregious faults of donald trump and his team in the white house was not up doesn't your very selective about morality and you. i'm selective on what i do focus on i will grant that yes there's a tunnel vision i'm focused on the protection and promotion of the natural family a family formed by a man and a woman marriage their relationship to 2 of the relatives of the past is the future

why because that's where children come from in unstable homes so structure all the research and all of human history best advice that's the best place to raise children what the west in particular faces a childless true church as the sexual genders going forward. donald trump is a flawed human being is a flawed literal leader but he's the only option there is right now and he's done a better job than anticipated for years i don't consider that i'm selected morality i think i'm fairly focused. but. it's an imperfect world and you have to make hard choices in an imperfect world and you're not making it any more perfect by making those choices i. think i think i have and i hope i am contributing to a better. outcome than thanks very much for being a comfort zone. you shall. cut

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