oh of. course see the point is no more your delusion the mushroom inches. from the. final resting place of the russian. w. well i think that trying to fight so it's one country one system now isn't it and it was a cover up that not only right out right in the whole well thought out goes right through my system doesn't it china is roiling the west and europe along with the us in many countries is pushing back hard after issue a growing list of human rights concerns including hong kong's new security law my guest this week from beijing is wang who yell of government adviser who heads the think tank the center for china and globalization why seems country taking so many

flights these days and where are they all meeting. dr wang julio welcome to conflict zone thank you europe's getting fed up with beijing's threatening behavior and telling politicians here where they can go and who they can talk to telling the nobel prize committee who it can award and who it can't what made your government think it could push europe around like this what the 1st time for you to hear that but i don't think that that was the government position or there could be a misunderstanding or. you know there's a maybe there's a lot of communication whatever. i heard from you i don't hear anything from that. here in china i don't think so well perhaps you don't hear about it in china but just days ago. the german in foreign minister hike

a mast told beijing bluntly to stop threatening europe after a senior czech politician has gone to taiwan and addressed its parliament your government had warned he'd pay a heavy price for his visit there that's bullying isn't it no i don't think that it was really probably studying all right i think that you know one china policy has been. hold and has been really maintained for the last. 4050 years and also it's the basis of china establish diplomatic ties with all the countries that have is it diplomatic relation with china so so i think country publish should. really safeguard is one china policy and not having those official high level visit so i think it's a i can stand china is not happy and. maybe the

speaker maybe reflect that. satisfaction so so i hope that. this is not to be interpreted. as a china spread or anything so so that is poverty a different operations what also when you may not like western politicians visiting taiwan or chinese nationals being awarded nobel prizes but that's your problem isn't it i mean these repeated attempts to impose your own prejudices and insecurities onto the international community was really doing you any good a tall are you it's counterproductive wow i think that probably a country has set about diplomatic ties with china i'm sure they go through the they've gone through the diplomatic establish in relation talks and they have actually already. paid by certain principles and the guidance so if they recognize one china policy. and then that one china policy does not.

you know also reflect the official contact between the other country and taiwan and that should really be respected i think so if certain countries doing that china certainly has a right to. you know express their opinions as well i think that china just just expressed its satisfaction and it's all opinion i think that should not be interpreted any more than that well if you intended a strong reaction if you intended a strong reaction from the european union you got it because it's foreign policy chief you don't have burrell code china your government expansionist or authoritarian and the new empire that undermines international law did you really want to pick a fight with your largest export market well i don't think that china is the picking a fight always with china largest market no i mean it's probably both market the

for both those regions as well and as i said you know there are certain. guidelines and principles $11.00 country is that is a diplomatic ties and the recognize one china policy and national. wire lated or bridged and if that is happen china certainly have a right to protest and that gave. the dissatisfaction and those so his comments i think that's fair fair you know that's not expansionist but you're just too sensitive about free speech and free contacts because you don't exactly have a lot of it in china yourself do you you know as well non-government think that we don't understand lot of. probably the government policy so we speak from non-government private think tampa. on the view but you are

a government advisor where you are listed on your own facebook page as a government advisor you advise the government that we have would do otherwise i think that does does of vices too of course but that we are not the government where the government officials we advise in think time does advise people of course but when our government so so i'm not a common spokes person so so so if i knew if i think time understanding i can explain but some i don't know i so i i cannot satisfy you of course so you are you telling me you are surprised that the kind of language that china uses these days when it's dealing with the west and dealing with other countries i mean we have examples like your embassy in venezuela told those who talked about the china virus they told them to put on a face mask and shut up is that the kind of diplomatic language you think is a good idea for china to use these days well the situation you've been describing some of them haven't i haven't heard before but. i think that maybe there is

a contest or there or is there is china is also under a lot of attacks and. so i think we should really have a dialogue we should have company occasion visiting i certainly think that is pandemic has stopped. people to people exchanges and to stop the many visit and also many exchanges. between china and our cyber war so that's very unfortunate and i hope that. we should overcome that one and that because under control i think the government is doing its best and also we see that the visuals of visiting some countries to conduct exchanges of dialogue which is a great i mean we did that your foreign minister came to europe and he warned again last month about the consequences of giving awards to hong kong's pro-democracy movement if you will comply. i mean about coercive diplomacy from washington on

your then you try to a practicing the same coercive diplomacy on europe that's hypocrisy isn't it i think there could be some misunderstanding i think on the issue of hong kong certainly i think that. young people have some legitimate concerns of the why the. big gap between rich and poor and things like that so i think the chinese government has realized that it is so the they have launched this great baby project so there are many policies you shoot so the young people can come to you know a great burying ground an area to to have a warrant to have a study to settle down there so the sort of that many users has been has been noted in addressing that but on the other hand i don't think we need to hong kong where airports is blocked and. you know of bystander were put on the gasolines and

that's just council was stalled and smashed. shop and all analyzed done so you know to expect what do you expect when china has been whittling away at the territories freedoms for some time now we've seen a crackdown on the people who led protests in 2014 we saw booksellers kidnapped and turning up strangely on the mainland because you didn't like the books that they were selling and now this new security law which is being condemned by many countries around the world as well as un human rights expert fact is this new law violates both the letter and the spirit of the basic law in hong kong and it was brought to you without any consultation so beijing now rules what i think the hong kong that is why that is why people are upset in hong kong. understand the situation but i think the hong kong also need stability and also. order

and a more of course and a central government of course according to the basic law they have the right for the fans the policy and security of all countries has a security law and china is no exception so i think that you can say now the hong home the stock market is back and that they are now prepared for the largest i.p.o. in the war or divestment are back to hong kong and hong kong is got in business is back to normal gradually so i think that people will understand in the long run it's going to be really good for hong kong if we have these. peace and the prosperity and security returned back to china or to hong kong of course but of course. there's always people more objectives once more accomplished more but it takes time you know in the graduate one british rule hong kong 400 years the never give the money democracy so you can expect that. you know

very versed so with china of course but i think you know the times online come to when you haven't you have you know given hong kong stability with this new security law you simply imposed a dictatorship in a police state the un human rights experts who just written to your government aren't buying the stability argument what worries them in their words is the cut tell moment of freedoms of expression peaceful assembly and association and the interference with the ability of civil society organizations to perform their more full function and we've already seen that happening haven't we you talk about stability being coming back to hong kong and healthy markets since the new law came in dozens of key pro-democracy figures have been detained including 2 lawmakers that's not super that's not stability that's a police state that you've imposed what you're sort of the. interpretations but i think that. basically you know you've been what happened in the u.s.

you know you can present trouble than our law or any violence or any. relations or disorder so so the of course john is not perfect. you know there's no. perfect policy but you know probably china was forced to because you know china has to maintain stability and the law and order there and the so that all the multinationals companies can come back is not running away stock market account can be rebuilt and confidence can return the largest i.p.o. in the world can happen so so there's nothing is perfect of course but this is not this is not the way that stuff it is this is a long way from perfect dr wang isn't it i mean we've seen police already the mother but even the u.s. we've seen people east reagan we're not talking about the u.s. we're talking about hong kong here and beijing's at the hands of and we've seen

that on the mental freedoms turned into crimes by this new security law which you've introduced and the rest of the world did you think they wouldn't notice we had a joint statement last month from the governments of australia canada new zealand u.k. us saying the law was eroding hong kong's people hong kong's fundamental rights and liberties and you your answer to that is well nothing's perfect but the markets are doing well what i'm saying is that hong kong as. a part of china as one country to assist you know they need to also it's one country one system now isn't it and. well let me let me finish keep interrupting me what i'm saying is that hong kong needs stability and of course. law as well because hong kong cannot be for the last you know 126789 months i mean there in the last year

hong kong is basically dysfunctional and it's paralyzed and been airport abroad. people were put on the oil to burn you know on the high standards and the letters goebbels thought no country in the world would allow that and there's no people who would have loved friends tell me that they don't feel security hunger anymore so i think you know when i got into doing something did you think come to one the people of hong kong would simply sit by and watch their freedoms erode and being eroded by beijing and not do anything about it. if you really think that then why don't you miscalculated bad all i think that. you know that you have suddenly the people you hang on. to have different opinions of course that is that is obvious by the but also you have to really think that one is the new national security establishment there's almost $3000000.00 you know voted. in favor of this law so

so that is that is also a fact that we should not exact but the but let let the time speak for itself let the market speak for ourselves let's let the people's final acceptance for it's the 1st of i think we should than you know there's only. 2 or 3 months from this low but let's take a longer view as you say we can see the long in fact what we see on the longer view we've already seen what that long view is going to look like because i pointed out you dozens of pro-democracy figures have been detained not only that but police have raided the offices of apple daily one of the few news outlets that beijing doesn't control the paper's founder jimmy lai was arrested together with 8 of the men he was later released on bail but the damage is already being done freedom's been torn up the basic law is being torn up and and you're having your new security

no super imposed on top of it so we can see which way it is going and people don't like that and if you think the rest of the world is going to sit by and just praise the markets you seem to have miscalculated don't you because that's not the attitude of the rest of the world what i think that is that i'm damaging china's resignation well there there were there was the there is no perfect solutions definitely i think that. the parities to maintain the law and order and also the security i think after all hong kong. you know where we're having no huge casualties or life being lost in hong kong even the for this whole year demonstration of violence going on so i think the governor was quite quiet. reserved on that and what we see of the u.s. army where they have a quite a number of our casualties already so so i think we have to really take into consideration that this is one country 2 systems

a new new system nobody does it before nobody has done it before as always have a lot of. you know trial and you know touching the stone cause in the river. so so we have to you know i mean improving this process but i think my problem in the process by and by recalling back to order yeah you proving the process by arresting pro-democracy figures trust in china as i mentioned a little while ago it's plummeting despite what's seen as your growing influence a survey by the bertelsmann foundation showed that in the 4 months up to may this year negative views of china have increased in several countries by double digits a clear majority now in the us fronts and germany now have adverse views about china's rise the highest figure being 61 percent in germany did you want your country to be so unpopular around the world i think that that's a problem of the perception of china all sides china is negative and this guy

didn't get in in a more negative now but i think. on the part of both china and also our war i think we really need to increase the communication for example china is doing for quite well all those k.p. i live in in terms of if you measure the countries trying to become the 2nd largest economy in 4 decades china embrace the globalization china is the largest trade in asia was 130 countries you have an account that china and china is not one cent of china g.d.p. gross and china china is also lifting 800000000000 people on the property accounting 70 percent of. war poverty level so they have a contribution in almost a total war but i think you know we need to really explain the well and then probably we need to have a better. look at china because i think was on the ward you know the west encountered either be more tolerant of china if the chinese do while you know like there is obvious serve it doesn't matter it's all white cat black cat as long as it catches my eyes with a contribution to the 31 3rd of the world g.d.p.

grows on you know never become a. conqueror any. continent or countries or sending troops to other countries or fighting you know that's what i want done to when you think that you call for more tolerance example for example for my last dollar that's the french that i know yeah but the but also you know how lonesome i want our $1.70 weakest locked up in riyadh so-called reeducation camps tolerance of persecution of christians is that the kind of tolerance that you're looking for from the outside oh i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't think you interpret that right i think the tolerant china that they are from development model have a different path have a different system because we you know it was say or china didn't come virgin that china can't be you know we need a moral a diversity of this world we can't just open someone fresh and we're not talking about a convergence diverging the world is complaining about your human rights record

continually and the locking up the incarceration of a 1000000 weak is engine jang province this is what they're complaining about i think because this is never you know as far as. as far as i can see there's there's no hard evidence or proof. but they'd have to say that i mean there is this time we'll start working on it's been published around the world in chinese instructions so the people who stuff these incarceration camps it's been printed no matter when it's been published nor i don't. you know i read the well i mean there's a there's a there's a white paper published by the chinese government they were saying all the people in there is. you know school has been graduated already and you know and also to prevent you know you know 510 years ago there was a plague by the terrorists attacks all band of hundreds of 1000 lives were lost dr

wang perhaps you'd agree that one of the main causes of the rest of the world losing trust in china was your handling of the corona virus outbreak in wu han at the beginning of the year and the shocking way in which local officials in will have tried to silence the one doctor who sounded the alarm i wonder what it says about your society that when officials of the communist party are faced with bad news their 1st response is to try to cover it up that tactic lost both you and the rest of the world valuable time in dealing with this pandemic in the. and you're a suit of all a very very of a question but but what i drive as well is that i think that you know. when they 1st discovered what han. chinese authority as the report that to the show as a report out of the united states and all the other countries of course the doctors that who was of find the disease at the very beginning but but you know this is

a disease never never happened in the history of mankind nobody knows about that and that should not send a false alarm as well you should really be proven and tested and also very vibe i axed for that is really a badly lethal disease and if that is actually was that they reach that point where they come to the conclusion they are in middle of a shutdown time millions of people city then immediately shut down 6 the bill in the hope the province they actually you know at the chinle now is doing the best there's no single case of current locally on a daily basis for the last a month or 2 so so in general when it's done right well i'm not trying hard i know you're ignore the fact that dr lee when youn lee went down when he 1st talked about the emergence of a viral outbreak he was coded into the police to the public security bureau accused of making false statement didn't severely disturb the social order and he was and

it a letter which read we solemnly warn you if you keep being stubborn with such impertinence and continue this illegal activity you'll be brought to justice do you understand he had the right i do underneath the law not under the right your rights you know this is what happened this is what happened it was a cover up that not only right are right it's also cover up goes right through my system doesn't it. you have your interpretations but what i see is actually you know the officer who who talked to. the u.n. has been sacked has been punished and there's a number of officials the in the party secretary has been residing at the hospital ship has resigned there's a there's a number of cases has been handled the by the local government i think there could be local officials somewhere that didn't want to tell the bad news maybe a doctor who had some initial pressures but but later on i think one that got me to

realize this is a deadly disease they were snow time to you for the warriors to lock down the cities which has never done so in the history of mankind to have a 6 to be an improv and seize a quarantine or social distance you know and massive testing and you know they experiment all those methodology and now is widely practiced internationally so so i think china should give some credit for for 5 years but given what you haven't given me that they have in the end you should get them for a given the initial cover ups and you have a u.s. intelligence report in june saying that even a senior politicians in beijing were scrambling to get accurate data from officials local officials they themselves still played a role in obscuring the outbreak by keeping information back from the world health organization so i ask you will we ever discover the real truth about what beijing knew and whether it knew it will we ever discover that while are we we have to think the level we don't know all the details but what we've seen you know from from all and go from the same time point

a lot of these you know you know the cases in han is only a very initial i mean probably a week or 2 they were little be done you know find out the real cause of the disease and then rig really to make a right announcement to the world at the beginning nobody was know this is that really there's going to be a pandemic this is going to those swept the world nobody knows about that so so they have to be careful in claiming. that really this is so so that i think that beginning there's a little little hesitation it is a little. contemplating understand. but once they have all the doctors have. to prove that this is a bad business they opined lock down the whole city. all the flights all right that all the things the right things or also not i mean. everything's perfect dr wang we will run out of the time thank you very much for being on conflict so thank you thank. you who gets.

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