groups like one of the biggest telegram groups i think has 120000 members and also a woman called tamara k. who ordered like to storm the steps of the. in this demonstration that happened just recently and to corona demonstration protests was a member of his group and very active member of this group and also to a nonbeliever but. i would say that this is already a phenomenon that is that has gone global and cannot be contained we have gone past that basically and it will spread there i like q. and on armies in several countries and iran and japan and finland and. the narrative will spread i think because. the underlying current of this of the underlying bias is a projection bias and this is what draws people to conspiracy theory thinking that

because the world becomes so difficult and so hard to understand there is something bigger at forest so you can go as a explain this to me if you would please because you are non central thesis at least in its early phases was very u.s. centric and even very trump centric with this idea that the president is a messianic figure fighting the come the dark cobol of child abusing elitist so how does that translate into a global and german movement i'm afraid are called explained. it's. well i think one aspect is that you don't have to accept every bit and piece of the theory you can you know believe some parts reject others so it's fuzzy enough to absorb people one

aspect is that also people in germany are interested in what happens in the us and that is then again linked to conspiracy theory that the us is actually stealing the whole world. again it's not homogeneous it's not a fixed ideology where you find the big book explaining all your questions it's far beyond that it's just fuzzy and diffuse and i jump in there pretty quick i think this mix of ideologies we talked about the so-called iceberg a movement that has. yet formed with it into the queue and on movement and in germany as well and this is one part if you talk about this widespread narrative of global pedophile elites murdering children if you look back in history especially in german history you had these anti-semitic narratives of jews murdering christian

children and. yeah the protocols of the elders of zion widespread narratives of ritualistic satanistic abuse and killing of children dead was never really proven but still it streamed widespread and this is this is all coming together and she went on and so you know teresa talked about this is being a kind of almost like a video game but sometimes it sounds like it's almost a religion. some people compare it to religion some people call it a cult i'm not sure. that's completely right because you know you don't have these structures with you know it's mostly online so you don't have a have a leader that is really keeping people in and preventing people from from from from getting out of the cult but it has cult cult like tendencies that it is more done

just a conspiracy theory and such so to reason president trump has not exactly tried to squelch the idea that he might be a messianic figure fighting. in fact he has said that q and on supporters are good people who love the u.s. that's a quote and along with at least one of his sons he has retreated q. and on post what impact does that have it gives a lot of confirmation and a lot of sense a lot of purpose to this entire movement whatever. who is seen as this messianic figure is saying about them and yeah the problem when with that being something close to a called or religion as we just said is i think the problem is not only the tie in into into politics but also that we've reached some kind of conspiracy singularity

somehow all of the conspiracy theories have plopped together in and have been accelerated in this pandemic which is why the movement gained so much traction you have. you for believers and you have health community hippias and they all propel something like i'm completely misleading health advice that donald trump as well as sometimes spouting in this press conference is like drinking bleach and they all come together in this q. and a movement because of the i think extreme insecurity and mishandling of a mess of crisis that also falls together with the global uprising against you know racial injustice and police violence which looks like. everything is going to crash so on let's take a closer look at the links between q and on and attempted acts of violence on both sides of the atlantic could that threat rise in the face of unrest on american

streets here's a look at a right wing militia in portland oregon. the american born militia at target practice their leader peter diaz is on a mission he believes freedom in the u.s. is in danger and fears a coup against the government could be on the way. tonight he and his troops patrol portland for weeks demonstrations against racism and police violence have rocked the city dia's wants to put a stop to them. police saying back i understand that they're worried about the numbers growing but i would handle the situation differently if via the manpower and equipment. fortunately he didn't so he and his militia had to pull back. violence is also on display in portland the situation has repeatedly escalated between black lives matter demonstrators and the militia like groups that repeat

the q anon mantra save our children. the number of militias in the nation is increasing and gun sales are as well is the u.s. on the verge of another civil war. are you going. to fix this man. another civil war in the us in part as a response to conspiracy theories is that too far far fetched yes i think so i think talking about the possibility of a civil war is vastly exaggerated but there is the possibility of violence especially if we look at november if trump is not reelected for a lot of these conspiracy theories believe is just chewing on followers there a savior is gone there the lone fighter against a deep state is done and that my it's a motivates some people who already own firearms to take on the fight against themselves so that is

a real danger they often go signs and symbols associated with q. and on were evoked by right wing terrorists here in germany as well in the attack on a politician in western germany in an attack on a synagogue and also on it shisha bar in how now would you say that conspiracy theories like those actually incite and cause violence directly. rather not. well not cause them directly but probably they make it more likely they are. effect around ideology which can be used by people. prone to. violence. therefore yes also this ideological background is important this is specific to q. and a conspiracy theory while others do that at least less though there is no harm this

conspiracy theory. theresa facebook twitter and other social media sites claim that they're trying to crack down both on covert dissin from ation and on q. and on itself how good a job are they doing well the job they have been doing is says both have been like a little band-aid and not like keep the cure itself. they're cracking down on several groups twitter for example has also contain the spread of topics connected to q. and on so they don't trend any more which i think is a good as a good measure but as long as social media is building their business model on time spent on the platform and also on propelling reactionary and aggravating content and incentivizing that you are reacting to that content and then taking you down the rabbit hole even deeper that business model is prone to

spread this misinformation if more and just very briefly if you would our way in the mainstream media at least at times inadvertently giving conspiracy theories a boost by driving more attention to them it depends on the framing in my opinion and we have to talk about that because they are a real danger to democracy and because they have a do human izing foundation they also can lead to violence but we shouldn't just be caught up and exploring them even if you never was a one sentence if you would our title asks how dangerous these theories are is the danger growing. maybe we know very little is specially dangerous and cold or our societies. i would say yes it is growing especially in the pandemic we're seeing more and more people spreading these theories so yes thank you very much to all of you for being with us today and

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