in the light of. the. one thing that trying to fight it's one country one system now isn't it and it was a cover up that's not all right all right it's all. about goes right through his system doesn't it china is roiling the west and europe along with the us in many countries is pushing back hard at issue a growing list of human rights concerns including hong kong's new security law my guest this week from beijing is one who yout a government adviser who heads the think tank the center for china and globalization why seems country thinking so many fights these days and where are

they all meeting. dr wang who out welcome to conflict zone thank you europe's getting fed up with beijing's threatening behavior and telling politicians here where they can go and who they can talk to telling the nobel prize committee who it can award and who it can't what made your government think it could push europe around like this what the 1st time for you to hear that but i don't think that that was the government position or there could be a misunderstanding or. you know there was a maybe there's a lack communication whatever. i heard from you i don't hear anything from that. here in china i don't think so well perhaps you don't hear about it in china but just days ago. the german in foreign minister hiker mass told beijing bluntly to

stop threatening europe after a senior czech politician has gone to taiwan and addressed its parliament your government had warned he'd pay a heavy price for his visit there that's bullying isn't it no i don't think that it was really probably understood in a rug i think that you know one china policy has been. hold and has been really maintained for the last. 4050 years and also it's a basis of china establish diplomatic ties with all the 'd countries that have is it diplomatic relation with china so so i think country publish should. really safeguard is one china policy and not having those official high level visit so i think it's a i can stand china is not happy and. maybe the speaker

maybe reflect that. satisfaction so so i hope that. this is not to be interpreted. as a china threat or anything souls or that is poverty a different operations but don't when you may not like western politicians visiting taiwan or chinese nationals being awarded a nobel prizes but that's your problem isn't it i mean these repeated attempts to impose your own prejudices and insecurities onto the international community was really doing you any good or tall are you it's counterproductive wow i think that probably a country has set up diplomatic ties with china i'm sure they go through the they've gone through the diplomatic establish in relation talks and they have actually already. by certain principles and the guidance so if they recognize one china. policy and then that one china policy does not.

you know also reflect the off issue contact between the other country and taiwan and that should really be respected i think so if certain countries doing that china certainly has a right to. express their opinions as well i think that china just expressed its satisfaction and it's all opinion i think that should not be interpreted any more than that well if you intended a strong reaction if you intended a strong reaction from the european union you got it because it's foreign policy chief you don't have burrell code china your government expansionist or authoritarian and the new empire that undermines international law did you really want to pick a fight with your largest export market well i think that china is the picking a fight always with china largest market and no i mean it's probably both market

for both those regions as well and as i said you know there are certain. guidelines and principles $11.00 country is that is a diplomatic ties and the recognize one china policy and national. wire lated all bridged and if that is happen china certainly have a right to protest and that gave. the dissatisfaction and those so his comment i think that's that's fair fair you know that's not expansionist perhaps you're just too sensitive about free speech and free contacts because you don't exactly have a lot of it in china yourself do you you know as well non-government think we don't understand lot of. probably the government policy so 'd we speak from non-government private thing to. point of view but you are

a government advisor who you are listed in your own facebook page as a government advisor you advise the government then we have we do have the right to think that it does does otherwise is to of course but the we are not the government we have not got the officials we advise in think time does advise people of course but we are not the government so so i'm not a common spokes person so so so if i knew if i think i'm standing i can explain but some i don't know i so i i cannot satisfy you of course so you are you telling me you are surprised that the kind of language that china uses these days when it's dealing with the west and dealing with other countries i mean we have big big samples like your embassy in venezuela told those who talked about the china virus they told them to put on a face mask and shut up is that the guise of diplomatic language you think is a good idea for china to use these days well the situation you've been describing the some of them haven't i haven't heard before but. i think that maybe there is

a contest or there is there is china is also under a lot of attacks and. so i think we should really have a dialogue we should have come to the occasion of visiting i certainly think that this pandemic has stopped. people to people exchanges and to stop the many visit and also many exchanges. between china and our cyber war so that's very unfortunate and i hope that these. you know we should overcome that 11 that is under control i think the government is doing its best and also we see that the visuals of visiting some countries to conduct exchanges of dialogue which is a great i mean we did that your foreign minister came to europe and he warned again last month about the consequences of giving awards to hong kong's pro-democracy movement if you're. blaming about coercive diplomacy from washington on your when

you try practicing the same coercive diplomacy on europe that's hypocrisy isn't it i think there could be some misunderstanding i think on the issue of hong kong certainly i think that. the hong kong young people have some. of the concerns of the widening. gap between rich and poor and things like that so i think the chinese government has realized that it is so the their land is great bay project so there are many policies you shoot so the young people can come to you know a great brain ground an area to have a warrant to have a study to settle down there so the sort of that many years has been has been noted in the dressing that but on the other hand i don't think we need a chaotic hong kong where airport is blocked and. you know bystander were put on the gasolines and that's let's just counsel with stalled and smashed.

shop and not analyze the whole expect what do you expect when china has been whittling away at the territories freedoms for some time now we've seen a crackdown on the people who led protests in 2014 we saw booksellers kidnapped and turning up strangely on the mainland because you didn't like the books that they were selling and now this new security law which has been condemned by many countries around the world as well as un human rights expert fact is this new law violates both the letter and the spirit of the basic law in hong kong and it was brought to you without any consultation so beijing now rules what i think the hong kong that is why that is why people are 2 upset in hong kong. walk understand the situation but i think the hong kong also need stability and. order

and the law of course and central government of course according to the basic law they have the right for defense the policy and security of all the countries has a security law and china is no exception so i think that you can see now the hong home the stock market is back and that they are now prepared for the largest i.p.o. in a war or divestment are back to hong kong and hong kong is is got in business is back to normal gradually so i think that people will understand in the long run it's going to be really good for hong kong if we have these. peace and the prosperity and security returned back to china or to hong kong of course but of course. there's always people more objectives once more accomplished more but it takes time gradually being one british ruled hong kong 400 years the never give them any democracy so you can expect that. you know very versed so with china of course but

i think you know there are times when lang dumped or when you haven't you have you know given hong kong stability with this new security law you've simply imposed a dictatorship and a police state the un human rights experts who just written to your government aren't buying the stability argument what worries them in their words is that cut tel meant of freedoms of expression peaceful assembly and the société sion and the interference with the ability of civil society organizations to perform their more full function and we've already seen that happening haven't we you talk about stability being coming back to hong kong and healthy markets since the new law came in dozens of key pro-democracy figures have been detained including 2 lawmakers that's not support that's not stability that's a police state that you've imposed what you're sort of the. interpretations but i think that. basically you know you haven't what happened in the u.s.

you know you can present trouble than our law or any violence or any vandal asians or disorder so so the of course john is not perfect. you know there's no. perfect policy but you know probably china was forced to because you know china has to maintain stability and the law and order there and so that all the multinationals companies can come back as not running away stock market account can be rebuilt and confidence can return the largest i.p.o. in the world can happen so so there's nothing is perfect of course but this is not us is that not the way that stuff is this is a long way from perfect dr wang isn't it i mean we've seen police already the number but even the u.s. we've seen people least reading we're not talking about the u.s. we're talking about hong kong here and beijing's actually under and we've seen the

fundamental freedoms turned into crimes by this new security law which you've introduced and the rest of the world did you think they wouldn't notice we had a joint statement last month from the governments of australia canada new zealand u.k. us saying the law was eroding hong kong's people hong kong's fundamental rights and liberties and you your answer to that is well nothing's perfect but the markets are doing well well what i'm saying is that hong kong as. a part of china as one country to assist you know they need to also it's one country one system now isn't it and. well let me let me finish you keep interrupting me what i'm saying is that hong kong needs stability and of course. law as well because hong kong cannot be for the last you know 126789 months i mean there in the last year

hong kong is basically dysfunctional and paralyzed and to be in airport abroad. people were put on the order of one to burn you know on the high standards and the letters goebbels thought no country in the world with allow that and then there's no people who would have loved friends tell me that they don't feel secure in hong kong anymore because i think it will be an advantage to doing something good you think going to one the people of hong kong would simply sit by and watch their freedoms erode and being eroded by beijing and not do anything about it. if you really think that then why don't you miscalculated bad although i think that. you know that you have there are certainly people you hung on. you know have different opinions of course that is that is obvious by the but also you have to really think that one is the new national security. establishment there's almost $3000000.00 you know voted. in favor of this law so so that is that is also

a fact that we should not exact but the but let let the time speak for itself let the market speak for ourselves let's let the people's final acceptance for it's the 1st i think we should than you know there's only. 2 or 3 months from this low but let's take a longer view as you say we can see the long in fact what we see on the longer view we've already seen what that long view is going to look like because i pointed out you dozens of pro-democracy figures have been detained not only that but police have raided the offices of apple daily one of the few news outlets that beijing doesn't control the paper's founder jimmy lie was arrested together with 8 of the men he was later released on bail but the damage is already being done freedom's been torn up the basic law is being torn up and and you're having your new security

law superimposed on top of it so we can see which way it is going and people don't like that and if you think the rest of the world is going to sit by and just praise the markets you seem to have miscalculated don't you because that's not the attitude of the rest of the world. that's right and that i'm damaged china's reputation well well there was though there's no perfect solutions definitely i think that. parity is the men tend to law and order and also the security i think after all hong kong. you know where we have in no huge casualties or life been lost in hong kong even though this whole your demonstration of violence going on so i think the governor was required to quiet. reserved on that and what we see of the u.s. army where they have acquired a number of a cache of these already so so i think we have to really take into consideration that this is one country 2 system is the new new system nobody does it before

nobody has done it before it's always have a lot of. you know trial and you know touching the stone cause in the river. so so we have to you know i mean improving this process but i think my friend in france says you by and by responding back to order yeah you are proving the process by arresting pro-democracy figures trust in china as i mentioned a little while ago it's plummeting despite what's seen as your growing influence a survey by the bertelsmann foundation showed that in the 4 months up to may this year negative views of china have increased in several countries by double digits a clear majority now in the us fronts and germany now have adverse views about china's rise the highest figure being 61 percent in germany did you want your country to be so unpopular around the world i think that's where that's a problem about the perception of china. china is negative and this guy didn't get

in in a more negative now but i think. on the part of both china and also our war i think we really need to increase the communication for example china is doing for quite well all those k p i in terms of if you measure the countries trying to become the 2nd largest economy in 4 decades china embrace the globalization china is the largest trade in asia was 130 countries you have a contact china and china is not one cent of china g.d.p. gross and china china is also leave to 800000000 people out of property accounting 70 percent of. war poverty level so they have a contribution enormously to the war but i think you know we need to really explain the well and then probably we need to have a better. look at china because i think also on the world you know the west encounter neither be more tolerant of china if the chinese do while you know like there is obvious server doesn't matter it's all white cat black cat as long as it catches mice with a contribution to the 31 3rd of the world g.d.p.

gross you know never become a. conqueror any. continent or countries or sending troops to other countries or fighting in advance like i want them to when you examine your goal you call for more tolerance example for example for my last dollar that's the french that the yeah but the but also you know the answer was our $1.70 weakest locked up in we're so-called reeducation camps tolerance of persecution of christians is that the kind of tolerance that you're looking for from the outside no i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't think you interpret that right i think the tolerant china that they're from development model have a different path of a different system because we you know it was say oh china didn't come virgin the china can't be you know we need a mall a diversity of this world we can't just open source run fresh and we're not talking about convergence diverging the world is complaining about your human rights record

continually and the locking up the incarceration of a 1000000 weak is engine jang province this is what they're complaining about i think because of this you have a you know as far as. as far as i can see there's there's no hard evidence or proof or credible data to say that i mean there is less time will start on it's been published around the world and chinese instructions to the people who stuff these incarceration camps it's been printed no matter what it's been published nor. you have read the words all i mean there's a there's a there's a white paper published by the chinese government they were saying all the people in the. school who has been graduated already and you know and also to prevent you know you know 510 years ago there was a plague by the terrorist attacks are banned if hundreds of thousands of lives were

lost dr wang perhaps you'd agree that one of the main causes of the rest of the world losing trust in china was your handling of the corona virus outbreak in wu han at the beginning of the year and the shocking way in which local officials in will have tried to silence the one doctor who sounded the alarm i wonder what it says about your society that when officials of the communist party are faced with bad news their 1st response is to try to cover it up that tactic lost both you and the rest of the world valuable time in dealing with this pandemic in the. you're sued or have all the very negative a question but but what i tried as is that i think that you know the coven died when they 1st discovered what han. chinese authority has the report that joel has a report out of the united states and all the other countries of course the doctors that who was of find the disease at the very beginning but but you know this is

a disease never never happened in the history of mankind nobody knows about that and that should not send a false alarm as well you should really be proven and tested and also very if i buy x. per that is really 'd badly lethal disease and if that is actually was that they reach that point where they come to the conclusion they are in the middle of a shutdown 10000000 people city they immediately shut down 6 the bill in the province they actually you know of the china now is doing the best there is no single case of current locally on a daily basis for the last a month or 2 or so so in general when it's done the right plan the trying hard i know you are would know the fact that dr lee when youn lee went down when he 1st talked about the emergence of a viral outbreak he was coded into the police to the public security bureau accused of making false statement didn't severely disturb the social order and he was under

the letter which read we solemnly warn you if you keep being stubborn with such impertinence and continue this illegal activity you'll be brought to justice do you understand he had to write i do underneath though not under the right you are right you know this is what happened this is what happened it was a cover up that not only right are right it's also sort of goes right through my system doesn't it. you have your interpretations but what i see is actually. the officer who would talk to. the un has been sacked has been punished and there's a number of officials the in the party secretary has been residing at the hospital ship has resigned there's a there's a number of cases has been handled the by the local government i think there could be local officials somewhere that didn't want to tell the bad news maybe a doctor who had some initial pressures but but later on i think one that got me to

realize this is a deadly disease they were snow kind to you should the warriors the lock down the cities which is never done so you know history of mine kind of a 6 to be an improv is locked down for it's 2 story months so they pay their prize they have also experiment all the ways of how to account come paying and come back this disease a quarantine of social distance you know and massive testing and you know they experiment all those methodology and now is widely practiced internationally so so i think china should give some credit for for 5 years now given what you haven't given me that they haven't they have an issue going on for a given the initial cover ups and you have a u.s. intelligence report in june saying that even a senior politicians in beijing were scrambling to get accurate data from officials local officials they themselves still played a role in obscuring the outbreak by keeping information back from the world health organization so i ask you will we ever discover the real truth about what beijing

knew and when it knew it will we ever discover that while we we have to think to a level we don't know all the details but what we see you know from from our angle from the same time point a lot of these you know you know the case of the war is only a very initial i mean probably a week or 2 they were little be done you know find out the real cause of the disease and then we really had to make a right announcement to the world at the beginning nobody was know this is that really there's going to be a pandemic this is going to those swept the world nobody knows about that so so they have to be careful in the. klayman it's such a of that with these it's also i think the beginning there's a little little phrase i patiently did a little. contemplating understand that but once they have all the doctors have. to prove that this is a bed because there was no time to lock down the whole city and shot all the flies all right did all the things the right things or also thought i mean. everything's perfect dr wang we're out we're running out of their time thank you very much for

being on conflict so thank you thank you can you go. to go to the open to you you.

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