with the biggest composer of all time i can't even begin to imagine a world class horn player cyril willis on a musical journey of discovery. world without beethoven. this week on to. me. this is the news and these are our top stories. israel has gone into a 2nd nationwide coronavirus lock down the 3 week restrictions come into effect as the country marks the jewish new year there are fears the measures will further damage and the commie already devastated by the 1st shutdown. human rights lawyer amount clooney has quit her role as the u.k. special envoy on press freedom the move comes in response to a briggs it bill that clears the way for britain to break international law if

necessary we need to scrub the government plan as lamentable and said they would only embolden autocratic regimes around the world. the u.s. has announced plans to ban the chinese and mobile apps to talk and we chat citing national security concerns downloading the apps in the u.s. will be blocked from sunday a full ban on the use of tick tock could come into effect by mid november experts worry to talks oana could pass on information about the apps u.s. uses to the chinese government. this is data news from berlin you can follow us on twitter and instagram at news or visit our website at state dot com. your kids have probably got it on their phone so you've probably wondered why they

find it so endlessly fascinating i'm talking about tick tock where kids message each other and lip sync to pop songs but president trump is concerned it has a dark side he says it's a national security threat and from sunday you'll be banned from downloading it in the u.s. really yes really i'm still getting a belly and this is the day. picture is very successful it is tremendous business in the united states people were riveted and when you look at. cape town. to many. it's it's an amazing thing whatever it may be i just wish that. really don't like to have an impact on our world in the united states has to be

compensated well compensated because we are the ones that are make it possible. coming up israel goes back into full lockdown following the surging coronavirus cases the new restrictions will be in force for 3 weeks. and everybody's and rates and there's a sense of confusion i feel it is a mistake it wasn't my prepared it was no exit strategy from the last look down and now we enter another cycle of. pain that. the u.s. has announced plans to ban the use of the chinese own to mobile apps and we chat citing national security concerns and downloading the apps in the u.s. will be blood will be blocked from sunday with a full ban due in mid november imposed on the van service. the bans through executive orders president trump says to talks chinese owners could pass

information about the absolutely u.s. uses to beijing however the ban might be called off if the white house allows a deal between tick tocks chinese owners and u.s. investors. goetia directs the platform accountability project at the harvard kennedy school and computer scientist he served as a technology and economic policy advisor in the obama white house and the public policy advisor at facebook a welcome to g.w. let's start with the basics trick talk a threat to u.s. national security. it's a difficult question but i think that it can be very well can be and. the implication is very clear that you have you have an application here in this case owned in part by by china by a chinese entity which essentially collects a lot of information on users on

a mass of users and many of those users are american. tens of millions dozens of millions of users are american and when you have one application that is collecting all that information on so many people within our voting population you can you can certainly have an impact on on our national security considerations because there's a thing. that. you know i mean this is a social media company and many people asked this question you know this is this is kids dancing and singing along to their to their favorite songs and sharing that with their network over to town and that's what your talk is come to be we have to remember what happens behind behind. the application will collect

a lot of information personally identifying information on a typical user not just your name but maybe other other forms of personally identifying information. maybe you're dressed these kinds of things so they know who you are. not only that they can collect certain other forms of information like you're engaged in on the platform your location your your friend network these kinds of things through which the application can start the company by dance can start to develop inferences being. get all the information. well information is power and knowledge is power and. let's let's assume for a 2nd that the united states and china are political geopolitical adversaries.

not saying that they are or that they they won't be in the future but let's just assume for a 2nd that they are and china now has all this information about exactly who the let's say a 100000000 american tick-tock users are what their name is where they live and what kind of person they are that kind of information can really be used to target the democratic process and more broadly kind of economic future of the united states in very much the way that we saw we signed the case of our brush in 2016 i think that i mean any evidence that this actually happened. well i don't i don't think that there's any evidence that that in fact to talk says quite categorically. that we the company protect. users information we're not you know working in tandem with the chinese government

in the ways that. american current administration is thinking and and there is there is essentially no publicly available information public evidence . these kinds of implications that. because the just working from the more dangerous in quotes apps would be the but they take a web but people are sending all sorts of messages and. pictures of that body parts to each other that's the sort of thing that obviously dangerous. well you know i think i think there's a different kind of danger with that with dating apps for sure that there you know when you're sharing such sensitive information over dating applications you know who you're reaching out to and and yet perhaps sensitive images and messages over dating apps and let's say a chinese company or

a chinese firm has access to that information that can be very sensitive to the individual in a very targeted way you know let's say for instance i was using these kinds of apps and sharing sensitive messages messages over dating apps. in that case i could be targeted individually but the kind of harm that we're talking about in the case of tick-tock is quite different certainly this targeted individual harm can arise but there is a there is also a broader. democratic harm when one company kind of controls lots of information and it may well be associated with a government that is on its face adversarial with the current u.s. administration ok most of our focus and most of the media focuses is around a take talk but when chatter is also part of this battle he had told to talk us through why that is significant. well you know i think i think many many

experts have been suggesting that we chat is is even more critical component to the to the global economy than tick tock is and i think there is there's a lot of. there's a lot of reasons why you could try to suggest that which is in particular that you know china has this ban on many of the services that we that we can use a lot around the globe including facebook and google we chat is one of one of the few that that is originating from china and which enables communication from china to to other people around to people or you know other countries around the world thus enabling a lot of economic activity you know payments connected certainly social connections and media consumption and so on and so forth and i think that's that's in part the

reason why people are suggesting many people are suggesting that we chat we chat and it's more significant more substantial than the tick tack then because to talk is quote unquote just social media we chat is is really very much in a lot of ways the more holistic internet experience including commerce. in china and connects china with the rest of the world in many ways that that's that's very clear. going back to take it doesn't look as though. the u.s. partner. that it will go with this is oracle. however ticked up the app will still be owned by by dallas and the source code will still be owned by by doubts that the chinese company so i don't understand why that's going to be more acceptable to the u.s. government because that data pipeline if i put it that way it's still going to be

there is that. absolutely and that's exactly why i think the trump administration has come forward with this preliminary judgment that the deal as it stands cannot go through i think it is worried that it's worried about this 20 percent number. percent of ownership by it by oracle and exactly the implications that you're drawing now that well if it's the source code and if the data infrastructure behind . and by dent still has full purview full ownership over that full rights to not intellectual property then nothing nothing technically will have changed from a national security perspective for the united states and the trumpet ministration at least on its face this one for with this judgment on on on that right ok so what we've got from you is that this the the argument about it being a threat to the u.s.

national security has some merit but people are looking at this and presuming the base is really about continuing to put pressure on china in this continuing spot does does that have merit that argument. absolutely and i think you know i think we would we would be leaving a lot on the table if we ignored the potential that. some of the most powerful leaders in silicon valley could well be pushing the trumpet ministration to enforce this ban or at least talk about this ban in a way that it damages the potential to or companies like we chat in tic-tac to have an impact in the u.s. economy and u.s. digital economy more specifically you know. i think i think it it's worth mentioning that facebook and google have attempted to enter china have been banned from china. and and have certainly tried to claim the chinese market in

social media and search and other consumer internet markets have failed because of because of the chinese government's right ascension and i just i was want to pick up on that point about that facebook and google way it would have with had to talk to general manager in the u.s. i've been asked that a pop asked tweeting today and she said this type of bad would be bad for the industry and she invited facebook and been so they have to join and take talks challenged this is a moment she says to put aside the competition and focus on core principles like freedom of expression so can you see them getting involved in this fight with the u.s. government. then being. let's say facebook and talk you know i i think in fact the message was replying to a facebook it's. said you know this ban is bad we

you know we should be we facebook believe that or at least i as an executive at facebook believe that this is this is something that should not happen and the u.s. government should overturn. and vanessa said well why don't you join our trade association why don't you want to push the u.s. government. in this more more directly than just making a statement on twitter and i think that really highlights the competitive aspect here that a lot this is about about show for facebook where on one side perhaps you know it's ok the companies are ok with suggesting that you know we need free speech we can't have these kind of blocks. while on the other hand you know it it's very much in favor of this band to the extent that china continues to block. i mean something should that's very clear thank you so much for talking us through that

from the harvard kennedy school. israel which. country celebrates the jewish new year say it's the only way to slow down a virus infections but it's fear the new restrictions will devastate an economy that went into recession because of the 1st. day in jerusalem shortly before festivities get underway it's. the jewish new year but the streets are empty. the country 2nd lockdown has just begun and despite the festive season visits to relatives in other neighborhoods are banned it's really been registering around 6000 you covered cases a day in a country of 9000000 people that's a lot and it gives it one of the highest rates of infection in the world according

to the prime minister health care officials have declared code red. in the last 2 days we've witnessed another alarming increase in morbidity and continued increase in the number of critically ill patients. mind is the made in light at the mortality rate and as many of the experts have recommended we may have no choice but to tighten the guidelines. many accuse netanyahu of ending the 1st lockdown to worley and in doing so setting up a 2nd wave of infections the crisis has hit the economy including small businesses across the country hard. it will hurt us because businesses continue to pay full rent no $1.00 helps us with the extra expenses and the workers are home to 3 weeks of closure will be very significant for us what's up with that and you know they must i don't know if this closure will help or not we will know the result only

after it's over but if there's no change in the behavior of people then it isn't worth it this knock down is currently expected to last for 3 weeks meaning it will affect a number of major holidays thousands of police officers are being deployed to enforce the measures and the prime minister netanyahu has already said that if the situation worsens even tougher restrictions could be imposed. correspondent joins us from jerusalem. how does the atmosphere at the start of the jewish new year compared with what you normally experience. well i think it was a very quiet evening the lockdown started at 2 pm local time here in the afternoon and then you could see some people coming back from shopping people are allowed to venture out about a kilometer from home and of course to go out to buy basic supplies it's usually an

evening for jewish israelis you know to come together families and friends to celebrate this evening together over dinner with very special plessy things as some people are reminded really of the 1st lockdown because then there was also a holiday the holiday of passover. when people also couldn't really come together more than you know in a smaller group not just all the friends and some people told me i'm not going to see my grandmother or my grandfather because we want to protect them as as the house said defiantly you know i want to see friends and of course also for more religious people conservative people prayers will be more restricted gatherings are restricted in the open to 20 people and of course also in synagogues there special restrictions in place so that people. can practice social distancing but despite israel having one of the highest covered 19 infection rates in the world new

lockdown is proving deeply unpopular. well absolutely i mean i think people do have mixed feelings about this because on the one hand there's a lot of anger and frustration that it had come to this you know mainly at the decision making process as well all along the way and people are saying maybe some things should have been done earlier so to avoid a nationwide locked on but at the same time people are aware of course of the serious situation caseload of. covert 19 patients is rising especially also in serious cases you know infection rates have been going up sharply in the past couple of weeks and people do know that measures have to be taken but they might not be happy about how they were taken. by situation all the more remarkable is that israel has gone from being one of the 1st and most

successful countries to control the pandemic to this the current high levels of infection what went wrong. yeah absolutely i'm that has been discussed here also very much and i mean it's not just one factor you have to look at i mean experts can mainly agree on that basically on one thing that there was no proper exit strategy the country went into lockdown in march and april and then you know cases went down the infection rate went down and then the economy it was quickly opened up there was a lot of focus on that because it was very very difficult for many people unemployment rate went up very sharply and at the time the israeli prime minister binyamin netanyahu said to people now go out and support the local economy also schools were open very quickly and this is where the 1st classes the 1st cases

then reappeared also missing was a really functioning track and tracing. program that didn't work too well as well as also then the new government a lot of people as perceived as government as not functioning very well that there are a lot of political interests as well when decisions are being taken for example their corner task force suggested like a traffic light system that cities and neighborhoods which where with high infections would be classified as ragin would have to be put under local lockdown this didn't work there was a lot of pushback from mainly the religious communities so at the end you know they could only agree on a nighttime curfew and that was basically not enough. jerusalem sankey. it was the opening night for the bundesliga season here in germany with the reigning champions by

a munich hosting shall count but it was an unusually low key affair found situated 2 sides on a last minute decision to keep the stadium empty because with rising coronavirus infections in munich despite the lack of an audience the bavarians put on unimpressive show if he's in shock at 8 will feel the upcoming games this weekend expected to welcome some fans into the stands. but he can talk through the bundesliga result with mackinnon from date of the sport welcomed kyle whose decision was it to exclude fans from tonight's game it was not the team's it was not the league's it was not the federal government in berlin it was in fact local governments it was the burgermeister there of mayor the mayor of munich who came out and along with health officials came out and said we are going to halt this concept of bringing 7500 fans into 875000 fan seat stadium and he cited certain magic numbers that had been surpassed as far as the coronavirus

was concerned and that prevented as far as he was concerned bringing those fans into the stands ok so but fans will be allowed for the games they will so far tomorrow saturday and sunday they will be allowed into 8 of the remaining 8 stadio that will be used only by air and so far has said no. as far as munich is concerned the other fans or the other stadia have not or the regions have not surpassed this magic number which was sort of brought together by the 16 regional governments and the federal government they decided that per 100000 regional inhabitants once you cross $35.00 infections once you cross that number then. you probably shouldn't have people in the stadium but byron for example in munich they had crossed into 47 from us if you will so far is they intriguing thing here isn't it because you can

you can make these arrangements and where we're all going to turn up we buy our tickets and everything but then if the magic number is passed on it's a lot well that's the theory. that's the red line allegedly but we'll see what sort of pressure is applied if they had 36 rather than 35 i mean it was easy you know in munich for 47 for example the bonus league was the 1st major league to restart during the pandemic and now they will be the 1st to have fans bought so i'm guessing the rest of the world who will be watching this quite play we're watching very closely back in may when it's a restarted there will continue to be watching as we restart the season as they start the new season the n.f.l. the national football league in the u.s. has welcomed some fans into some stadia there so that's already started and the bonus league is watching bear as to what they're doing just like the n.f.l. is watching over at the bundles league it will be a more significant number of stadia all the stadia are due to open basically to fans and how damaging has. the loss of gate receipts been

a pretty big deal millions to some big big clubs they say they're losing millions every every time around but i would say t.v. revenues are more important that's why the league i think especially was and was inclined to get going as soon as they could without fans in the stadium it's just kind of amazing to see this said canaveral by the way had to have 3 goals tonight so it was it was a it was an interesting game to watch from their side of point of view but so what is it with you that all know right now that how often is reacting to this well they are thrilled to have the chance side of munich to get back into the stadia and it's interesting the temperament there were some friendly games that were played in berlin for example is there one is like a team that had a friendly match but in 5000 socially distance it was pretty interesting. watch how careful everyone was but at another game in dresden they you know they were people ripping off the masks and social distancing went to the window and you know what

will happen here i think the robert koch institute which you well know is the johns hopkins of of germany and keeping close track of these things they must have thought this was all crazy to put state put fans back in the summer in 15 seconds having won i know that i'd like to win the league again and they are a dominant team they are likely to win the league and they have a very good chance of creating a dynasty in fact and and take in the champions league again if they if they if things go right comicon i think there's 2 thank you so much. that was about it as ever the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter at the news of a good day. the

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