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oddly i tried both of them come straight from the heart just want to see anybody who is no more delusional. in trying to come. from a few of the logs to their final resting place the russians g.w. documentary. i. think i've been thinking about the idea of flying cities for a long time. as our planet circles the sun we humanity and all planetary species are travelling at a speed of 76000 miles an hour the idea of flying cities isn't really that utopian from a cosmic perspective if i told an astronaut about it he'd tell me what we're already flying.
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thomas said a center his art works explore the pressing issues of our times reflecting on how we can live more sustainable lives and use our resources more sparingly he's also interested in alternative means of travel and how art can inspire us to think outside the box. a little bit. i mean. when you go you know thank. you thank you thank you. the argentinian performance and installation artist takes an interdisciplinary approach to his work and regularly cooperates with scientific risk. such institutions like when he launched this experiment in bolivia to test
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out the possibilities of emissions free air travel. this is sad to say knows beilin studio where he plans and prepare as his many projects. satirist i know has always been fascinated by the interplay between arts and science he studied art and architecture in argentina and then attended frankfurt's . art school on a scholarship he also took part in a nasa research project. has become an internationally sought after office in part because his work ponders some of the most urgent questions we face today such as how can we shape our future and how much responsibility we carry far actions. to make them are so this is for me who is to say no you might as well ask me about
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the some of the different parts what makes someone the course and they are or you but i want to know if i have the feeling we as humans tend to see ourselves as extraordinary good but is it as somehow superior to other species. but in reality we struggle to forge real relationships with other species or does it not real relationships founded on solidarity are essential to our progress but this is. santa sena began experimenting with the idea of floating cities in 2011. that year he showcased his cloud cities project at butlins hamburger bad off gallery this project like so many others question the way we live as a society and in visions new forms of human coexistence and community. has beilin show featured a network of cloud like the visitors could climb into what would it be i. to
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inhabit such a fledging city to live and work there. what matters to sara sena is that we realize that everything is interconnected that way just parts of a greater whole 'd . this does he have the feeling that all the attention afforded to him all his success and popularity goes hand in hand with a certain responsibility when we do you work more grow will compass for the inside of your love for you i think responsibility can mean confronting certain problems and i'm not excusing going today we face pressing issues like global warming and then the quality i want to lead i mean don't know what they see we're lucky and but also the extinction of certain species and people dying on this planet of whom one
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of the men sort of president of but it's ok i don't think it is enough to see individual answers to these issues. are allowed so low that we need global all encompassing answers we have just as he moved plots why i am always looking to forge new alliances adopt new perspectives and take new steps that can bring about the changes our planet desperately needs when you're on a family or community or clinton as it appeared. in or tim 2018 sanderson no showcased his on air installation at paris's i laid to tokyo contemporary art venue it focused on the importance of and how we as a species looting this vital element. santo santo set up 76 spite of why. make the ad more tangible as it were spiders have
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inhabited the earth for hundreds of millions of years and seems to spin their intricate web. or webs were a starting point. i have been fascinated by them for a very long time they are connected to the spiders they are a part of their body and you know low rider and only since a small bug is near because of the vibrations it sends through the well. without the well but it could neither feel nor see its prey. most spiders that make webs are blind so by creating a web they're essentially creating their own sensory ability that. allowing them to feel the world and other species around them. the installation translated the vibrations of spike his movements into audio signals creating a kind of a rock need symphony.
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'd our tiny dust particles attract and also transformed into sounds the more people pass through this room the more the particles around the spine does register these movements and sounds creating a form of interaction between them under visitors. we. started with my obsession with spider webs so we set out making all kinds of them mocking. technically also invented a machine together with the technical university of darmstadt. they brought my idea
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to life basically gnashing uses laser signals to weave intricate web so they're going to go to really move complex as. i think they want to i mean if we want and that got many academics interested and difficult but until then i say nobody had managed to create such a detailed map of spider webs and my team and so i got by did by the massachusetts institute of technology and max planck institute to get them to study spider webs and their surroundings to to better understand these creatures that they were and i knew that in that i'm innocent and you know. what the whole going to let along with spiders and spider webs and recently as they played an important moment in his office all of us what exactly fascinated him about them and when did this fascination start or tickle me so i thought oh how to
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him what well i always say you work with spiders i always say no spiders work with me because they've been here for more than 200000000 years so we can only learn from them not the other way around my work is almost anthropological an attempt to reconstruct today's image of what it means to be human in this collection of bacteria and other inhabitants i'm trying to redefine our relationship to those with whom we share the planet. together with natural scientists sarah said now has set up his own lab in his studio in berlin to study spiders and that behavior. you know look at me to join us and. what strikes me at my studio is that many people still suffer from a rock and a phobia a terrible fear of spiders and i mean to you or indicated last weekend when people visit the studio and realize that it's largely a populated by spider. and spider webs many of them grow uncomfortable these going
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forward. and we've been to see if we kept puppies or kittens here people would say oh what pretty kitties they don't usually do that when they see spiders. yet spiders are very different you must aim not only to differentiate between the various species list but to see what unites spiders and what separates them from one another and why they discovered the cold relationships and synergies between species think about is when you come into a spider nets have a special symbolism because you see all these connections these threads which go from one side to the other. so if you ask me what fascinates me most about spiders it's the special beauty of their webs you know they're just a lawyer. and
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he's installations which take up entire rooms santa said place that the patterns and shapes found in his spider's web site. visitors can even enter into a huge web and experience the world from the spiders to spectate we're. an open open senate with many of my works because i'm not thinking about the speculation or yoga i'm also not thinking about the outside world which makes us feel foreign or different though who can with these words i'm trying to create something all encompassing. that's why i like to work with really large services if you move around on one side of this where the people on the other side move to when i move around i cost vibrations which influence the space. and the spiders respond . or maybe this will let us find a new way of communicating with one another which my work is. about creating these
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kinds of connections and ok it's not just about seeing what's around us. i'm interested in interactions it is a matter him on a variety of levels and with different groups of people who know. what can we learn about ourselves from working with other species and does this change the way we deal with one another. sarah center doesn't tame to definitively oncet such questions rather he uses his arts to get people's thinking. and his work out of the rhythms visitors and to an interactive network they see and feel the vibrations triggered by themselves and of that's. seen point he employs many different disciplines in his art astrophysics engineering and biology he even explores musical composition with the help of
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spiders so why is this kind of into disciplinary work so important to his workers the report on the product do you think that connects you on basically not one of these there. because it keeps opening up new worlds when you only look at a phenomenon from one perspective you're missing out on all the other perspectives that we have that the other ways of sensing reality or thinking about it it seems to me that these days we often forget about these other realities. is it prompts people to change their perspective and encourage dialogue sort of always presents the results of his exchanges with natural scientists and experts from a variety of disciplines. he wants art lovers to be open to and again twist a broad spectrum of finding is. 'd 'd one. that's captured sort of centers imagination as humans long held
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fascination with flying. in our time the dream of white has turned into a nightmare in a form and that's due to the way we fly at the top of the earth flying is a total disaster because we're reliant on fossil fuels on lithium on batteries or other kinds of raw materials expect to meet their extraction endangers the survival of many species he could have been getting them down to for we need to find new ways of making the notion of flying a possible dream again. we welcome an opposing this one your. tennis center has been experimenting with flying arrow solace to variety of locations around the globe. planting sculptures on only by the song and carried only by the wind and enable flights with al the consumption of fossil fuel
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a radical concept. this is how to mass that i say no started to become interested in the possibilities of a new. one he calls ara-c. and we'll hear around. the present the group then we must go and i think the term that best describes the era we're living in now is the capitalist i don't see the age of rampant capitalism . the era seen as an epoch of hope and age which is radically different from the capitalist scene. i think i meant in the. ah. and does everything that changes our habits but not likely. helps to usher in
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a new era the moving one we call the era seen. an aerial age an era in which we demonstrate awareness of one another and of the environment and work together to invent new rituals and new customs to create this year our. thomas said i said those areas seen projects requires a radical rethink on our part to enduring natural resources rising emissions climate change and the extinction of many species are destroying the very basis of our life on us. air is seen places as not human beings at the center if they. are and protecting not polluting the element that keeps us alive is its main goal a way of making amends to mother a. while that may sound like a utopian ideal sad to say no and his team have already proven that some of their
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ideas work in the real world. in argentina the era seen foundation team has already set several world records among them the 1st manned fully solar free flight with a hot air balloon it reached a height of 272 meters covered 1.7 kilometers and was airborne for over an hour. the team's next goal is to be able to transport several people at once powered only by the sun's ultraviolet rays and fulfilling the dream of emissions free travel. honestly wanted on this earth will do when these cultures rise up please the 1st thing people say is measure how can that be it's mesmerizing and a magical moment here for her but suddenly the sculpture turns and there's something on it that was written by another person because it is for me it's like an onion the more layers you peel away the who's the more questions arise as to how these things are clearly sort of call it because it was a. we
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just got back from argentina we were working a lot with indigenous communities there they have taken a clear stand against the colonial processes endangering their environment. that there is lithium mining going on in their territory in. argentina she lay in bolivia a border the area where the so-called white gold is being mined he said and for every ton of lithium we know that 2000000 liters of water are required. there are $71.00 kilos of lithium and one tesla this is an area already plagued by drought. if we start to excavate lithium to satisfy the consumerism of today's capitalist society everyone who lives on the edge of the. along with the animals and the vegetation there and the communities who live there
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will be forced to leave. school is in pain or that's why we are asking how can we change our habits so that it doesn't lead to climate change. what kind of habits and rhythms does the planet desperately require to regain its equilibrium you know. we can't wait for everyone to agree that air travel will have to be very different in the future. i. said a center's project has become a global movement artists scientists designers and activists have joined the ara scene foundation that he sets up. a community. it's one that comes together and engages in regular.
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moment of truth i like the thought of a community that works like a collective. that's why we have established 2 foundations in ophelia one of them is called arachne ophelia. like arachnophobia its members are friends to spiders and their webs it is a nonprofit organization that is working to save certain ecosystems the stimulus and the kind of community of friends that also exists beyond the studio. to this community is researching how we can ensure the long term existence of certain ecosystems and life forms. is a 2nd community that has sprung up out of the studio is called aero seem to consist of people working in the studio as well as an ever growing impassioned community of people outside who are pursuing it as a hobby there are people who believe that we can change our way of life and not
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just by changing individual mobility led by founding a movement for change. and the era seeing community have developed an explorer collaboration with mit and the red cross it enables anyone to build a floating explorer and calculate its flight path and flight generation via easel software each flight gathers day tear about air quality temperature humidity and pressure which is fed back into the software giving us more and more information about our planet and what set a cent oh kohls it's highways in the sky like the jet stream for instance. ever seen is an open invitation to everyone who is fighting for a future free fossil fuels and dreaming of a new kind of boundless borderless maybe. set a center slogan from home. to homo from town to.
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lot of people who go cold for me aren't always means in our dialogue or in exchange going on that for example the art involving the spiders and spiders weber's god knows we have to form new alliances and new ways of working to understand our world clearly. the categories that exists today tend to separate us from one another rather than to unite us even more as. it seems to me that art can help us in this process of what they can do art has this ability this generosity or this innocence is that people do things in art you continue to search with childlike innocence and it seems to me that that is exactly what can help us to see the world with other eyes for what he. said to center is continually venturing out with childlike curiosity into the wild guesses that he can better understand our planet and our cosmos to literally. all of.
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those. projects in the event horizon has taken him to the new unis salt flats in bolivia the artist is fascinated by the way the horizon quite literally dissolves. in the early hours of the morning a very thin layer of water vapor hovers above the surface of the flats and for just a few moments the horizon looks as if it has been ever. the surface of the earth forms a giant mirror of the universe that surrounds us 'd it's a fascinating meditative phenomenon. you can even see reflections of light emitted by the large magnetic clouds and neighboring universe 163000 years away. 'd
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action about the future is of central significance. what plans does he have faith he's. one of those imposed when you. were going to do it. when he was my plans for the future are to continue working as we have done recently and they found at the same time to increasingly question the logistics of the art industry the transport of artwork and my own mobility. and to consider alternative ways for us artists to be present or if if we become conscious of our planet and its atmosphere then we should also start to show solidarity with all of the others on board the co passengers in our world at the planet that we need to consider how we can continue this journey together to see if.
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it's to what's going on here and now. it's also an invitation to engage with burning questions about. when to go can i hope that the balloon that lifted off with 2 passengers and who we province will soon be able to carry 3 or 4 people. and if we can already fly at an altitude of up to 272 meters for almost 2 hours and then i hope that in the future you'll be able to travel to interview me from colombia for example without your having to take a plane. but the journey is the destination the journey we will often lose our way on this journey but we will continue on with enthusiasm and hope for the.
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she doesn't want to ride in a circle all submit to god he believes the way to remain. the for me like the world champion is a u.n. climate ambassador in new delhi he fights against air pollution and for people's help. on the starting grid for a clean environment to read. and 30 minutes on d w. it
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