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played down the danger of the virus frequently appearing in public without a mask and he's encouraging people to go back to work and return to normal life. he like many has been left shocked by the weekend's clashes. the army and ministry of defense says bees video azerbaijani london vision of the nagorno-karabakh. 3 enemy tanks and 2 helicopters were destroyed. our media has declared a state of war and the troops. of. light not of the outbreak of a widespread war in the south caucuses that we can now see could have unpredictable consequences it could spread beyond the region and in danger and international security and stability that shut of it unless they're taking up arms in the regional capital stefana care mostly a mediums live here the media has controlled the region for decades but under
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international law it belongs to azerbaijan. azerbaijani officials have imposed martial law and curfews the government in baku blames its neighbor for the new escalation. it's no secret that the 1st shot was also carried out by the armenian military. many stone arch. khaki has promised to back either by john there were joint military exercises in july which had to now have enough. knowledge to touch one to destroy the armenians and armenia that's clear story a media is hoping for russian support for moscow and the e.u. have called for an end to the fighting. are going to turn out to rome and then go from the russian department for more on this settlement this is a long running conflict we're talking here for decades
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a given how serious is this latest flare up and what makes it so intractable. well it is very serious it is already a limited war and it could grow into something bigger well we are still in not in a position to to establish what went wrong on the sunday as the fighting erupted what we do know is that it's a very very long conflict it's not just 30 years it's been for hundreds of years and it's been flaming up and down and it's a very historical conflict there were no frozen conflicts in former soviet union republics that were resolved so this is no exception but this one was especially difficult because 2 states warring volved armenia and azerbaijan to form a saugus republics and if we talk about the current situation the problem was that the negotiations to resolve that conflict was that i mean your suggested that we should look for for a solution which will suit 3 sides to medians as about johnny and the people of not
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going to karbala the. self-proclaimed republic of not going to come back and as a budge on said no we're not going to talk to the separatists 1st. by john should get back to its territories and people should return to their homes so that was the problem because armenia suggested some kind of a compromise and as a but on said no in a nutshell if you can there this also has an international dimension this conflict that you just outlined armenia backing russia azerbaijan having strong links with turkey what role are these 2 powers playing in this conflict and is there a prospect of mediation. well they're playing very important role media sees in russia as a kind of its strongest number one ally russia has a military base in armenia but so far russia has been very reserved in its reaction if you compare the situation to the war in georgia in 2008 when russian sent tanks
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as georgia texas breakaway republic of south ossetia i do not think we will see something of that happening in armenia now but i would not expect that in the future but still russia russia is very important and very strong turkey behaves differently turkey has been very supportive of other was there by john in the past weeks and there are now accusations that there are turkish troops supporting azerbaijan so probably azerbaijan might be expecting some kind of a military support from turkey but it is not clear if turkey will go that far around my neck or trying to reporting for i did have these russia department thank you sir. now tens of thousands of about everson said gathered in miss for his 7th weekend to call for alexander lukashenko to step down while the demonstrations happened taking place since the disputed presidential elections in august looks like those opponents and much of the international community say it was richt because franco denies it's all fraud and was inaugurated last wednesday
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in a surprise secret unannounced ceremony. still no end to the stalemate but these massive protests that just won't stop either the demonstrators are determined to oust alexander lukashenko who last week swore himself in 1st 6 term in office on sunday they mocked the man they believe is clinging to the throne. me feel like god. and their p.r. and. fear and that's why he made his secret race at peace not ride it again with the proposition leaders of atlanta to kind of skya dubbed sunday's protest the people's inauguration protestors came bearing her portrait they believe she not look as shankara one disputed presidential election. ok
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and today we're celebrating i don't know always being sick when you live but you know the ration of our presidents step on a time most here. 50 days of protest but there's no sign the question goes government is about to go and it is still trying to push the people off the streets . in gomel and other cities peaceful protesters again faced a violent police response according to officials police detained at least 200 people. was thousands. have been arrested in the last 7 weeks and many of those detained have applauded torture and abuse in custody prompting international condemnation. so everybody is looking around the other coming the other night so that everybody has the screening of being worried that maybe they will come but there are so many rumors. despite
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a huge government crackdown these demonstrations haven't been crushed but they have so far failed to push look out leaving della reese in crisis and i've been in the past. dual well back here in germany a senior figure from the far right of the party has been fired after allegations emerged he was secretly recorded making unacceptable comments all the claims are made in a documentary by broadcaster of course even due to be broadcast this evening while there are supposedly confidential conversations for press spokesman for the alternative for germany to send is heard saying a worsening situation in germany who would benefit the party and it would therefore be in the a of disinterested if more migrants come to germany he allegedly set then they could be shot or gassed later by some very controversial. comments there i'm now joined by a journalist a tylo mischka who researched and met with supporters of various far right and far
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right extremist groups for this documentary a congratulations on your documentary a tylo a very warm welcome some incredibly disconcerting comments there from a former spokesman down there to what extent in your assessment and from what you have found out do his views represent or are prevalent among a of these top brass. the problem what he said is that he's not to some put it in was working on a very low level in some parts of germany he's in a federal level and he's the right hand of mr gulen so he's very close to the. top of the aisle which means to me people on a top level are discussing topics like kristen boot it was like he did it is in our documentary and i find that very problematic it is indeed very problematic and of
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course the premise of your documentary was to investigate where there are free and democratic order is in danger that in germany is it. the beginning of my research i would have said no it's not in danger but now at the end of the research and also author talk to the president of the. security of germany and he told me he sees the democratic or in danger and as a person who is very close to all those writing extreme right wing networks tells me that. gives me a feeling of yeah to be honest i'm sad to hear that it makes me very uncomfortable in conclusion i've got 30 seconds left with you to what extent has the line between far right politics and the far right extremist scene just become blurred and have they merged together. actually if you look at all those corona pandemic demonstration in germany you can see how close the far right the extremists are
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walking always just regular people in germany because they choose a new enemy it's not the migrants anymore it's the the democratic values of our society because they say in our. in our country we are forced to wear those masks and so they find new people to walk together with so you see on those demonstrations that very dangerous far right people walking was regular people so it's the 1st time that they're walking so close together and this is very concerning journalistic mischka thank you so very much. you're watching it all when you're still to come on discovery news asia will meet a true gender woman in china fighting against discrimination at her book place. that story and a whole lot more coming up with my calling her a spanner cheat and just a moment so stick with us. to.
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starts october 16th. this is speed up good news a show coming up today punished for being different. show ma was fired from her job in china office she underwent gender reassignment surgery now she's fighting back but what chance to she have been a society where discrimination against strong stand up and gay people is routine. and from rough down to the mother to more han in central china was the epicenter of the cold although by this outbreak but now the situation of cows. to be under control but at what cost. i bet a strategy welcome to. glad you could join us china has the world's largest population
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of lesbian gay bisexual and transgender people yet the vast majority of them have to conceal their true identities discrimination at various levels within their families schools and book places a 2016 u.n. report found that transgender people face the greatest forms and levels of discrimination and it's something the protagonist of on next story has experienced firsthand. somaaya is a woman who stands. for though she was born as a boy she's been living as a woman for many years. being 180 told strongly believed she still gets a lot of attention was no doubt that this has happened a lot ever since i was a child as a kid i was called a sissy boy and now people keep telling me i look like a man but they ask a man or a woman i've got used to the looks i get. i don't see what i see oh mom is
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a nickname she's still not comfortable showing her face on t.v. it's been 2 years since. went gender reassignment surgery she's also legally a woman china allows people to change their id card after surgery her decision was the result of a long struggle. for them a flu shot sound when i was young the media usually show it's transgender people less show girls who worked in bars or a sex workers single and never showed normal people with normal jobs really there were no role models for me back then. found me back. when i went to thailand for surgery she told me from a job at a media production company but when she returned she was laid off officially because she had been late for work. there were many people at that company who were
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frequently late for work but they were not fired only i was. took a walk. she made headlines as one of the 1st transgender people in china to take her former employer to court there is no comprehensive anti-discrimination law but several labor related laws do have clauses against discrimination even so shall my lost her case. the value for. progress in the legal system depends on experts legal scholars who pushed for it and each case is an occasion to raise awareness among them to help people understand the needs of transgender people the circumstances of our lives question peter your john there i think you know john that's in the. so maz former employer refused to comment on the issue but her case is part of
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a wider transgender fright against discrimination recently another woman wants to sit. in the meantime mom has found a new job as a photographer francis more room and lives modest the kind of ordinary life she never thought she'd have injuries and looking for a role in. trying to read off a more is for america and beauty activist. paul walker how common is shabazz story of discrimination in china. i would say still quite common now in china does the. 6 nation to be too many t. some poll a lot of my park and protectors of my doc in tree has faced challenge facing she went to females khalid's when she was at and fire herself as transgender woman
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and also such events like this almost use her resume working place has also have a lot because she decided she really like off away news on gender diversity and also there is no law to protest protected their rights but is it only a matter of a lark of awareness or is there something more behind the discrimination that you're devoting to. i think an advancing. thing on media there is really any image especially from a positive way presenting l g t and this is a highly regarded to the censorship in china and there were revelation against. the contents in film and you wait in china so this is make a lot of filmmaker. very difficult to present any characters seen those films and
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this is on but you have 1st time experience or do interval warrior from a mama rainbow or also came in for censorship but it was also removed from various online platforms because of the content of the film exactly so but that lawsuit even was very complicated but also brought a positive result for me myself even the regulation hasn't been changed because us because of mike and i lost a case but it can give to people very very is that well we can use lol as a as a told to to change is trying to change to society even is hasn't changed hasn't happened immediately but we become stronger ourself and there will be more possibility and we make people making more people noticed the existing because now is to be the community still very invisible you speak about laws and
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then bring about a positive change in society not just talk about them laws for example homosexuality that has been legal in china for more than 2 decades yet you have this juxtaposition where the society's actually not that open so it doesn't all go to prove that you might even have the laws but that does not necessarily translate into a positive change in society. i think in china is a society that is still very patriarchal honestly a lot of families stews seeing. the children their children there as part of their. poverty and they don't see them independently so this strong family while you still give a lot of impact to people secondly the roops scenting of media had giving a lot of. people in this is hiding dogs they seem. negative and certainly it is really lack of protection from from the from legal and then
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when you county even work. in a stable state. in a state stable. situation it is so hard to fight for you when you write what needs to happen for things to change i think firstly we need to promote a more diverse type of family a family doesn't necessary has strong traditional well all choosing family and they are also different. type of off of marriage defun type over russia shit and secondly we need to remove this awful sense of shit because. people want to see us and. also we need to see into intersectionality and because even if as. a community
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not only have the label of bt we also have different challenge easing out the law if and for example clos age and. and. also what have we have changed by the us auriti for all of the other life i work or related so different topics has to be together talk. gender issues is to heini to related to a lot of different issues in this is slighty we need to see that we leave it there for the time being but thanks so much for coming in from america. with global deaths from covert 19 around the 1000000 mark in the city where it all began life the best brutality to normal. in central china was the epicenter of the virus at its peak. city of around 11000000 residents was placed under the strict lockdown new hospitals were built overnight critics and whistleblower was silenced
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including this man doctor a new one young who was one of the fust to report on the deadly disease but 9 months into one has a different story to tell. it's the story of a reenergized metropolis recast as a heroic victim of the coronavirus thriving again. traditional opera for example can be found outdoors in the crowded and well to do central city. china shows off hahn as a city reborn and save the government media says by china's efforts to fend off and almost send off the coronavirus that emanated from here. now that everything is so good what risks can there be han as the place where the epidemic broke out in the 1st place and i believe it must be the best managed. things are so relaxed they put
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together a massive pool party not long ago attended by thousands of mass class people a viral video led to international criticism of recklessness beijing countering the party showed its success in taming the coronavirus. has restarted life has returned to the kind of flavor we had before so everyone living in will hand feels at ease. that easy feeling required a massive lockdown of millions who han was a near ghost town from all appearances last winter. this well after a would be hero the late dr levy when liang sounded the alarm on the virus and mohan but was quickly censored by the government he died of covert 19 since then a 1000000 more people have died worldwide. that's. looking at it from china's point of view they've really done badly maybe they never really comprehend it how serious this thing was. in rouhani back then many people left this world because of it and
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. this virus is terrible to being as a make up what may be every country like us never imagined it would break out all around the world i never imagined it background. beijing though maintains the world can learn from its handling of the coronavirus triumph it says even as it faces bitterness overseas from covert 19 and the initial attempt at covering it up. that's it for today this morning did other dot com forward slash even though with images from india as it crosses the 6000000 kovac is mocked we're back tomorrow so that's about.
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science. the coronavirus pandemic has put the spotlight on the often difficult relationship between science and politics. in the scientific world researchers tried a slow and methodical cop in the search for truth but for some politicians the rush to deliver quick and easy answers to complex questions has made scientific research into a political football. how does the virus spread. to mosques really protect their wearers. is most at risk from the pandemic. our government researchers are still learning about the virus trying to understand how it would behave a role in a virus pandemic has put the spotlight on the often difficult relationship between
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science and politics. in the scientific world researchers try to a slow and methodical top in the search for truth but for some politicians the rush to deliver quick and easy answers to complex questions has made scientific research into a political football. how does the virus spread. to mosques really protect their wearers. is most at risk from the pandemic. researchers are still learning about the virus trying to understand how it would behave and devising strategies to fighters. they need politicians to turn their findings into public policy but that collaboration is often far from straightforward. this is de w.'s covert 900 special i'm paid for i guess and thanks for joining me here in germany chancellor angela merkel has warned that the number of corona virus infections could rise to. almost 20000
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a day by christmas if the current trend continues she says the priority must be to bring numbers down while keeping the economy alive throughout the pandemic she's been shaping her policies around the latest advice from germany's scientists and researchers among the experts that have her ear is the country's most well known for religious curfew and often. where a mask wash your hands and maintain distance people in germany are accustomed to following the safety and hygiene guidelines yet despite this the rate of infection is climbing with more than 2000 new cases in a single day the highest count since april germany's most prominent virologist christian thorsten sees the development critically he recently spoke at a conference in berlin and detailed some of his concerns in an interview with deutsche avella look at other countries look at france the u.k. spain what we're seeing there is what we will see germany. if we don't
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react very early on. in a way that needs to be adjusted it's that needs to be. let's say bearable for the economy at the same time targets and this is a very difficult task to find the right point of time thorsten has praise for germany's coronavirus policies and the response by the country's leadership during the pandemic he says germany has been efficient and measures have softened the pandemics impact but he also says the government could do a better job of explaining why certain decisions are made it is not sufficient to impose rules that people don't understand the corporation off the population especially in the coming weeks and months. of autumn and winter. is probably one of the most important fun. and the whole concept to to intervene
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thorsten says from a global perspective current developments in india particularly worrying the virus is spreading there almost uncontrollably and he says the situation in many western countries could also become more threatening there are areas including in europe where there is little control where countries already go into autumn with a high. incidence i believe. there are countries including in europe. will have to impose stricter measures very soon as germany and the world prepare for a likely 2nd major wave of new covered 19 infections in the coming months now more than ever politics and science need to work hand in hand. let's bring in professor
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or they d.n.i. go he's a neurologist for an insanity hospital and the founding director of the qwest center for transforming biomedical research professor dan i got thank you so much for joining us how has the coronavirus changed the relationship between science and politics i don't think this relationship has changed in principle scientists provide evidence and politicians may or may not act accordingly but this is different for example to the scientific council because of the climate change is that it is in the nature of an emerging pandemic that the available evidence is often tentative new evidence leads to new interpretations and new recommendations potentially even rehearsals so in general politicians don't have a good track record in following sound scientific advice i mean climate change again is therefore not big surprise to me that politicians have difficulties in following scientific advise is it is based on preliminary evidence and reckoning by statistical models. now as they saw in that report there here in germany off that
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he has become a household name how much influence what you say individual scientists have on politicians. i just have to ask the scientists generally the downplay the influence but for us observers it appears that some scientists are indeed highly i guess it's obvious who's on sweden with the stated you know it's just just taken who has to say or officially or anthony fauci in the u.s. although he seems to be marginalized by a problem but i think the u.k. for example it's quite likely the new focus and his model of the potential death toll triggered a policy reversal in the u.k. and led to the lock down what is problematic in my view is that it's and it's not the scientists who are the people aim for that scientific advisory supposedly not guided by 4 relevant principles advice research be inclusive in preventing sources expertise stakeholders it should be rigorous that's comprehensive free of bias
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independent review and transparent it should be clear that conflicts of interest assumptions limitations gaps and you should also be accessible that is freely available in the plain language and we don't see that at the moment in any country and expanding out what you're saying there do you think scientists are under pressure to advance a certain political agenda and all this. well in every country politicians not claim to act according to the best available science but what is this best available science someone has said that it's a case of survival of the ideas that fit so politicians tend to favor the kind of science that alliance with the existing preference or what special to political actions or inactions in the pandemic is that they are felt immediately in viscerally by everyone it's days instead of years as the climate change so is a prominent epidemiology this recommends closure of schools and the government indeed close the schools the scientists becomes an immediate target for those
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opposing this measure so i guess this puts tremendous pressure on scientists giving advice. and i'm not hold that what you say the attention they cloned a virus is getting right now is good or bad for science. i guess a little bit of both and the jury's still out with the positive or negative effects will prevail science hopes to contain and eventually a predicate threat this will reflect positive on on science i hope on the other hand many of the measures taken have unintended consequences are many people and as i said just now therefore as it's straightforward to blame scientists for all the negative consequences even within science because it's not black and white on the positive side are new forms of disseminating evidence scientific discussions which are currently popularized thing for example pre-print. scientific collaboration also gets a push but on the other hand we see a thing called a call it is a sheet of research resources and expertise is funneled away from here is with the
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surface we call attention to be there are in cancer and there's increasing noise making it harder to focus on the signal that's robust and relevant research results plus we see what has been called research exceptionalism and that's under the bed not bad data is better than no data and that's clearly dangerous especially in the conditions of of a pandemic some pros and cons f.f.s. they are they cannot go from very emphatically thanks so much for speaking to us thank you very much. time night on fire one of your questions about the coronavirus over to our science correspondent eric williams. if i think i had the virus but couldn't be tested could the vaccine actually be dangerous for me. well we don't know at least not yet but presumably the ensor to this question and others like it will be provided by the extensive phase 3 testing that
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a number of vaccine candidates are going through now they involve tens of thousands of volunteers and some of them i'm sure will have already had covert 19 and most other diseases there aren't mechanisms that would cause someone who had them to react badly to subsequent vaccinations i think the assumption most experts would make is that with covert 19 that's an aiding someone who has already have the virus will generally act more like a booster shot reminding the immune system that sars co 2 is still around and putting it back on high alert which isn't to say that potential vaccines won't have any side effects in fact reports so far imply that some if not most candidates are pretty react oh genet which means they can cause discomfort ranging from from headache to soreness at the injection site to fatigue or fever but the
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big question is whether those side effects are seen as acceptable in terms of tolerability if some people get a headache for a couple of hours the day after a vaccination that would probably be considered though an acceptable trade off if their temperature spikes dramatically then it wouldn't that's at least in part what what phase 3 testing in vaccines is about one thing it's meant to do is identify as many rare. adverse events as possible in a big test go work to evaluate as many potential dangers as possible before you give a vaccine to the wider population. and we leave you with this spain has been one of the european countries hardest hit by covert 19 over the weekend activists placed thousands of spanish flags in
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a park in the capital madrid to mourn the over 30000 people who've lost their lives to the disease in recent weeks the city has become one of europe's coronavirus hotspots the secret auction was also meant as a sign of protest and a call on the government to do more to stop the spread of the virus. and that's all from this covert 1000 special if you want more detective the dedicated coronavirus section of our website from me in the team if i can take care .
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sometime. next few days. let's. celebrate the 30th anniversary is from. october 3rd on d w. play . this is you know we do is live from berlin a bombshell reports president ultra lashes out at allegations that he avoided
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paying taxes for years to. shape the new york times reports things fell disclaim billionaire claims heavy losses across his business empire and hardly paint any income tax also coming up struggling to flatten the covert curve and yet of course the world's 2nd highest number of infections exceeding so.

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